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Doug:

Thank you so much for posting this YouTube video of my presentation back in 2003.

I haven't watched this in about 10 years. I'm very proud of this talk, I stand behind what I said, and I hope it serves to educate (and entertain) newcomers to the case.

My best,

DSL

10/20/14 - 9:40 AM PDT

Los Angeles, California

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Doug:

Thank you so much for posting this YouTube video of my presentation back in 2003.

I haven't watched this in about 10 years. I'm very proud of this talk, I stand behind what I said, and I hope it serves to educate (and entertain) newcomers to the case.

My best,

DSL

10/20/14 - 9:40 AM PDT

Los Angeles, California

nor have I, David :)

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Mr Lifton, have you ever considered the interviews of MARY MOORMAN and JEAN HILL in claiming that the first shot they become aware of is at the moment MARY captured the Polaroid photo at the moment of the head shot? And that additional shots followed the taking of this Polaroid? MOORMAN and HILL in interviews both claimed the limo momentarily slowed. IF you look at the BRONSON Film it is not the limo that comes to a halt it is the queen mary along with the four motorcycle police, this is what brings the motorcade to a momentary halt.

Have you considered that there is not any perceivable reaction from witnesses to the sound of rifle fire until after Z-313 in any photographic evidence?

Your work on the alteration of wounds was ground breaking and is key to understanding the enormity of the conspiracy.

Thank you for the devotion to the truth and for the willingness to share it with us.

Bob Mady

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Mr. Lifton at the end of your presentation in 2003 you talked about the manner in which ZAPRUDER describes the head wound:

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You use ZAPRUDERS description to allude to somehow supporting the forward head movement prior to Z-313.

But consider an older gentleman who whore eye glasses peering thru a movie camera viewfinder, what did he see?

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Did ZAPRUDER detect the dark hole in the back of the Presidents head or the shiny sun lite flap that was created by the shot and is laying against the side of KENNEDYS head?

What do you believe ZAPRUDER is pointing to?

After all of the talk of an altered Zapruder Film, you all seem to take it for granted that there really was a forward head snap, what on earth makes you believe that this is real?

One of the first objectives of modifying the ZAPRUDER film would be to alter the film so as to convince a viewer that the wounds were caused by shots from the rear.

If a shot came from the rear KENNEDY must react with a forward head movement, they could only modify the film so much.

The limo was slowing down to allow CLINT HILL to transfer to the limo, this deceleration would have caused KENNEDY to slump forward, if they removed a frame or two this would account for the jump.

Here is what ZAPRUDER indicated on 11/22/1963 - please compare <>

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Just a side note, to see how staged this whole event was, look at the announcer doing what ??? that was more important than this guest, who is demonstrating to the world were The President was wounded, he isn't even interested to look. Look at ZAPRUDER as he indicates to this announcer where KENNEDY was wounded...Does this make ZAPRUDER and what he claims to appear insignificant, like he may not be reliable, not worth the attention of the news reader, by extension ->you?

The news media utterly failed to present facts to the American Public, it is easy to comprehend that the news was controlled from the moment they went on the air. They broadcast a continuous stream of disinformation to keep the public guessing at what happened that day. They caused confusion.

The fact that the forward head snap is undetectable and certainly overshadowed by the movement to the left, this virtually imperceptible feature was commented on by DAN RATHER, they must have told DAN what to say and 'they' would have known they created the illusion of a forward head snap.

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Just for grins and giggles, the news reader is reading a newswire story that was hastily torn from the printer, the news reader has no problem in reading this transmission, even though the paper is torn vertically down the page according to the orientation of the page as it is being read. The page probably has no writing on it, someone got the bright idea to show how hectic the newsroom was rip a page in half and read from it, good plan except the orientation of the page, half of the print would be gone...

What is also hilarious, there was virtually no authentic news presented it was all fiction.

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BREHM describing the head blow out to LANE

From BREHMS proximity and location he saw the back of the head get blown out and a piece of skull projected towards him. BREHM could not see the flap that covered the side of KENNEDYS head.

...BREHM continues this gesture with a forward sweep of his hand, not sure if this is him conforming to a shot from the rear or if he is describing seeing the flap of skin as it wrapped around the side of KENNEDYS head.

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YARBOROUGH: "After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots"

"They' removed frames to speed up the limo, from head shot to fourth shot was three or four seconds according to YARBOROUGH.

This is why CONNALLYS can move superhumanly quick, JOHN was laying on top of NELLIE Z-314 to both facing forward in 1/2 of a second at Z-323.

GIF changes every 1/2 second so this is real Zapruder film speed, showing start Z-314 and end frame z-323.

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The CBS news reader convincing us that a shot came from the rear because the forward head snap (which in all probability he could not have discerned) was more apparent and news worthy than the violent left movement which he failed to mention.

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RATHER should have followed the forward head snap with

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If he was a real journalist and not a propagandist.

RATHER "Mrs. KENNEDY stood up immediately, the President leaned over her way" apparently RATHER can detect a instantaneous forward head snap that is detectable in 1 frame but utterly fails to comprehend KENNEDY get violently driven to his left over 10 frames and it was not the result of Mrs. KENNEDY's eventual movements to escape from the limo.

RATHER is a fraud as well as the news media is just a voice piece for the powers that be in control.

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I disagree with your contention that CONNALLY caused a problem for the hospital doctors in cahoots with the conspirators to get the bullets, the bullets if any present would be removed at the autopsy and discarded. CONNALLY was targeted if you consider he was shot after the President at Z-325, this was the third shot and originated at a location behind ZAPRUDER

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Mr. LIEBELER - All right, as you stood here on the abutment and looked down into Elm Street, you saw the President hit on the right side of the head and you thought perhaps the shots had come from behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - From the direction behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes, actually

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What is behind ZAPRUDER in this frame? This is the moment in time ZAPRUDER is referring to.

Or possibly this frame, when CONNALLY is wounded.

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CONNALLY was targeted because the hit team was probably trained to hit the man in the jump seat, which should have been YARBOROUGH. IF it had been YARBOROUGH he likely would have divulged the truth, whereas from where he was eventually located, he had a very limited view of the assassination. CONNALLY took the shot intended for YARBOROUGH, it was meant to be.

"They' would have dealt with any bullets the same way they handled the slug removed from CONNALLYS leg, just replace it with evidence supporting 'their' fiction.

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Wow, Robert! You put a lot of thought & work into your analysis. I wish not to detract from it but this is the only place my comment will show up. I did want to mention what I have heard people say over the years about the JBC shooting. Some believe he was in on the ambush & an attempt to eliminate him failed. Others believe he saw Kellerman or Greer (or both) shoot JFK & an effort to eliminate him failed.

For David Lifton, I just wanted to say that I have been following the video presentations his friend & fellow researcher & author Doug Horne has placed on the internet for global viewing & thought consumption & I have been following some of the reaction to it online (forget TV, cable & satellite, the media won't this this topic at all!). I feel the work you initially began with 'Best Evidence' is now entering a new cycle with the additional work of Doug Horne. The more information that is released to the public indicating JFK's body did not make an uninterrupted journey from Parkland to Bethesda, arrived ahead of the caravan transporting the body & casket from Andrews, the shenanigans within Bethesda & the autopsy, the photos & X-rays that appear (in part or whole) to be fraudulent or intentionally deceptive, plus all other aspects of the alleged tampering with the Zapruder film (and anything I failed to mention here) you two men have diligently explained to the public is now beginning to wake people up that what happened in Nov 1963 was similar to what happened to Julius Caesar many decades prior.

Both of your research book & video efforts has placed a big monkey on the back of the government officials from that era & even today, particularly the Secret Service. I expect in time to live to see the Secret Service changed from what Abe Lincoln began on the day of his assassination to contract security. We never hear of wealthy celebs experiencing the horrors JFK did in his final moments on earth on Elm Street in Dallas or what has transpired by those closest to him & within his government when & after he was robbed of his life & his Presidency.

The few elite that saw the Zapruder film before in & outside of Dallas before it made it's way to Hawkeye become extremely valuable to this case, as do those who saw the NPIC briefing boards. Dick Stolley is one of those few still living. I'm still waiting for people like him & those within the SS at the time to comment now on when they saw the Z-film the assassination weekend & if it differed from what was released publicly years later. As Pat Speer pointed out in another thread, he has a website with an astounding collection of comments people made over the years regarding the crime & is an excellent source to fact check what people like Clint Hill (and others) say now, as opposed to what they said over the years without having to pull their hair out trying to run down good, solid info. That's a plug from me to you, Pat (lol).

Brad

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Brad, I have posted much information on how the assassination occurred, it would be best to review the posts to gain the benefit of analyzing crucial evidence to substantiate claims I am about to make.

We collectively have a conception of the assassination that was provided to us by the news media / WC?R. We see it as three shots and in ALTGENS 6 we are easily convinced that the SSA stood down because all we can detect after supposedly two shot from a high powered rifle is inaction.

Here is animated gif which illustrates the SSA reaction following Z-190 to look toward the knoll, and also note it appears that HILL consults with ROBERTS in the queen mary, maybe discussing what may be occurring in the limo...HILL moves to the limo after CONNALLY lays back on top of NELLIE after Z-300, this movement is not associated with any gunshot.

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IF we can alter our perception of what really took place, imagine the first shot at about Z-190, it is silent it makes a slight popping sound some termed it 'firecracker' like, four SSA immediately look towards the source of the sound (READY, LANDIS, HICKEY and HILL), which was the grassy knoll, but they could not discern danger, neither the SSA nor Mrs. KENNEDY realized the President had been wounded as a result.

GREER and KELLERMAN became aware of a disturbance with CONNALLY and turned to see what was going on, when CONNALLY laid back on top of NELLIE, GREER slowed the limo down and gave HILL the opportunity to run to the limo to check on the occupants. This is when the first shot from a high powered rifle occurred, it caused the fatal head wound, GREER hesitated to allow HILL to board the limo, but a second shot from a high powered rifle occurred, injuring CONNALLY and causing Mrs. KENNEDY to bolt from her seat and attempt to climb out over the trunk, the fourth shot followed in quick succession, GREER floored it, causing Mrs. KENNEDY, wearing cotton gloves on her hands to slip on the trunk, making her appear like she reached out, she was trying to retain balance, meanwhile HILL climbed on board.

The SSA were not complicit in the assassination.

That is not to say there was not complicity at some level in preparation of the route or security measures dictated from the top.

I don't believe GREER or KELLERMAN or HILL had prior knowledge and I also believe that HILL and others would have done anything to avoid this tragedy.

I do believe that for the most part every agent lied or told half-truths or lied by omission about their experiences as cover for the conspirators and are continuing to lie now.

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This is off subject but reminds me of bewilderment I feel towards the works of Lane.

BREHM claimed shots he heard, he immediately recognized as from a high powered rifle, three of them and that the limo traveled only 10-12 feet during the shooting. BREHM can be seen applauding the limo as it passes his location until about Z-300, BREHM obviously had not heard any shots at that time. BREHM claims to have immediately realized the shots were from a high powered rifle, the first shot he hears must be at Z-313 and two other shots followed, how is it LANE does not recognize this? That BREHM did not hear the shot that initially wounded KENNEDY!

Why didn't lane discuss this with BREHM?

I want to propose that what LANE produced may have been propaganda, meant to keep us from discovering the truth.

Or

Lane never really understood the assassination and what witnesses meant by their statements.

It bothers me that this is so obvious, yet ignored.

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Kathy, the paper is torn not bending, if you watch the entire clip this is evident.

Jay Watson claims the copy is "torn off from UP' this would imply it was printed on the teletype machine.

The crack about being blank is disclosing my total disdain for the propagandists who lied to us and continue to do so.

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