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Dr Evalea Glanges of Parkland Hospital claimed she saw a hole in the windshield. ?

An artilcle in the Fourth decade journal Vol 1 number 1 'Where did the shot come from' by Grant Leitma paragraph 2 'Windshield hole' - gives Sgt Starvis Ellis's description of the hole in the wind shield.

'You could take a regular standard writing pencil, a wood pencil and stick it through there'.... and some SS agent run up and said 'Thats no bullet hole! thats a fragment'

A SS agent massaging the evidence on the very day of the assassination - What a surprise.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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Question, Robin-- Why did you post the lower photo in post #2? I realize I'm probably overlooking something.... Is there any windshield or any other damage visible in that photo? Separate question for anyone to answer-- any idea as to why the Lincoln's trunk is open in the lower post #2 photo?

Miles i only posted the second pic as it shows the limo in higher resolution, it also gives us a good look at the woman still holding the boy's hand. [emphasis added by T.G.]

I believe the trunk is where they kept the covering for the conversion to hardtop, as can be seen in some of the Parkland photos.

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Robin, Miles didn't post that question-- I did (post #10; shall I "bump it?" OK, here we go....!) I'm sure that Miles of Smiles would never ask such "silly" questions as I do from time to time. LOL)

Regardless, thanks for the timely response!

--Thomas

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Robin,

Thanks for posting all these great photos!

At Parkland Hospital, both former Dallas Police Officer H.R. Freeman and Dallas Police Officer Stavis Ellis (who was in charge of the motorcade escort!) are reported to have witnessed a through-and-through hole in the windshield, and Ellis is reported to have actually put a pencil "in" the hole:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm

I think I can see this hole (a darkish circular spot about the diameter of a standard pencil) in two of the photos you've posted-- the blowup of the blowup in post # 1 (just a smidgen to the right of center), and in the blowup of the upper photo in post #2 (at the very bottom at the overall "center," just to the left of the car's radio antenna(?)....

Question, Robin-- Why did you post the lower photo in post #2? I realize I'm probably overlooking something.... Is there any windshield or any other damage visible in that photo? Separate question for anyone to answer-- any idea as to why the Lincoln's trunk is open in the lower post #2 photo?

Thank you in advance,

--Thomas

P.S. Interesting to note that Ellis was emphatic that the bullet hole was on the driver's side of the windshield, inasmuch as I think that "Tosh" Plumlee was telling the truth about a shot being fired from near the juncture of the South Knoll and the Triple Underpass, and the fact that the medical and photographic evidence seem to indicate that one of the fatal shots may very well have come from that direction....

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This analysis is skewed by the omission of a critical element: "A BAGEL"

The analysis should be:

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BUMP A BAGEL

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(emphasis added)

This type of disinformation analysis is typical of the work of Gerald (the Poisoner) Posner. A dissection image illustrates this (note the poison insertion pod):

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Robin,

Thanks for posting all these great photos!

At Parkland Hospital, both former Dallas Police Officer H.R. Freeman and Dallas Police Officer Stavis Ellis (who was in charge of the motorcade escort!) are reported to have witnessed a through-and-through hole in the windshield, and Ellis is reported to have actually put a pencil "in" the hole:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm

I think I can see this hole (a darkish circular spot about the diameter of a standard pencil) in two of the photos you've posted-- the blowup of the blowup in post # 1 (just a smidgen to the right of center), and in the blowup of the upper photo in post #2 (at the very bottom at the overall "center," just to the left of the car's radio antenna.... Can anyone else see the hole where I see it?

Thanks,

--Thomas

P.S. Interesting that Ellis said that the hole was on the driver's side of the windshield. The medical and photographic evidence seem to indicate that one of the fatal shots may very well have come from that direction....

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bump bagel for the dough-nut

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Here are some good pics of the crack in the windshield....

http://www.theblackvault.com/modules.php?n...rmine&cat=7

Hi Wade.

It's hard to tell on those pics where the original crack was, these images i beleive are the windshield after the windshield replacers had kicked out the original windshield with there big boots, cracking it in the process.

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Hi John, I agree the DENT in the chrome strip can be seen claerly in the parkland photo.

The limo you showed appears to be a different car, in jfk's limo the back seat was almost flush with the back of the car , not protruding up in the air.

Hi Robin, the rear seat was built to be moved up or down as suits the occasion.

Perhaps Pamela can say whether the fold down foot platforms were on Kennedy's Continental?

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John you may be interested in these...The 100 X was delivered June 15/61..as seen with the SS on the side....but it went back to the "shop" for changes and updates....in Sept..something is niggling,

but will not say positively, that the fold down foot platforms were removed...at that time...below is Baughman with the back seat raised...

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Bernice, yes, theank you. There AFAIK was a contionuous runningboard that was removed. Whether the little fold down steps replaqced that or not I don't know. The color photo there with the guy standing on what looks like one of the fold down steps, when is that from?

Miles, I agree that one can't see a hole or cracks in A6. There may be reasons for that, lighting directions etc, or there was no hole or crack at that time. One thing though is that there is an account of the cracks spreading beween then and till back at the airport as the Limo was being driven. ie, the initial damage was less than after the stressing caused by the limo being driven. At the same time the bullet or fragments could conceivably cause the dent and the bend in the central visor mount and then a fragment ricochet back to Kennedy and the hole/crack is from another shot. I don't know.

John :

That photo was taken upon the day of delivery.....June 15/61........I had a look but cannot find what I am after of course....Seems to me and I will keep looking,

that those steps ? were removed in Sept..as they thought they would be a danger for people tripping over, some such as that....like I say it is not a given....

B......

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Somewhat confused here. Here is a crop of Altgens 6 at Z-255:

Altgens1crack.jpg

Now, the windshield crack seems to be absent. Yet JFK is reacting to a throat hit (and possibly other trauma, but primarily to a throat hit). JFK is reacting to a throat hit as early as Z-224.

Therefore, the windshield crack occurs after the the throat hit & after Z-255.

Thus, the crack is not associated with the throat hit as causative.

Is this correct?

That is correct .... JFK was looking to his extreme right around Z193 to Z198 when the projectile hit him in the throat. Mary Woodard ( assassination witness) said that JFK had been smiling, waving, and looking directly at her when the first shot was fired which caused him to immediately stop his wave and react to being shot.

Bill Miller

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bump bagel for the dough-nut

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No. This analysis is bogus.

Again this analysis is refuted by photographic evidence. There is no bagel, dough-nut, loop or any other hole. Period.

As is seen here:

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The White Garage photos showing the damaged windshield do not match Altgens 7 IMO.

Bill Miller

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At Parkland Hospital, both former Dallas Police Officer H.R. Freeman and Dallas Police Officer Stavis Ellis (who was in charge of the motorcade escort) are reported to have witnessed a through-and-through hole in the windshield, and Ellis is reported to have actually put a pencil in the hole:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm

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P.S. Interesting that Ellis said that the hole was on the driver's side of the windshield. The medical and photographic evidence seem to indicate that one of the fatal shots may very well have come from that direction....

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Questions for 1) Miles, and 2) Bill (or anyone else for that matter): in your humble opinion (lol), is it a possibility that a (through-and-through) bullet hole was created in the windshield either 1) sometime after Z-255, or 2) sometime after Z-198?, and if so, do you think it could have been created by the same bullet that laid open the right side of JFK's skull from front to back at Z-313 and created a baseball-sized exit wound in the occipital-parietal (rear) part of JFK's head?

Thanks,

--Thomas

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nota bene: bump-a-bagel for the dough-nut man....

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