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Found this while wandering around looking for some Oswald chronology data....

Further confirmation of the occupants and locations.

http://www.maryferre...92&relPageId=17

According to this report there's a motorcylce officer named W. G. Lumpkin riding in the motorcade.

Is this Lumpkin related to G. L. Lumpkin, the driver of the Pilot Car?

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Found this while wandering around looking for some Oswald chronology data....

Further confirmation of the occupants and locations.

http://www.maryferre...92&relPageId=17

According to this report there's a motorcylce officer named W. G. Lumpkin riding in the motorcade.

Is this Lumpkin related to G. L. Lumpkin, the driver of the Pilot Car?

BK

I can't say whether the two were related, W. G. "Bill" Lumpkin, apparently was interviewed by Larry Sneed, No More Silence, which seems to be McAdams

source......But there are some interesting aspects to all of this......

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/history/the_deed/Sneed/Lumpkin.html

W. G. “Bill” Lumpkin

Solo Motorcycle Officer

Dallas Police Department

“We were going fast, very fast! I’m going to say we might have hit speeds up to 80–85 M.P.H. on Stemmons… I saw the limousine behind us, and I noticed this Secret Service man hanging on the back of it with his coat hanging, and I was amazed that he could hang on… When we got to Hines, there was a railroad track, and I know that I got airborne… I knew that if I went down I’d probably get run over…”

Born and raised in Avery, Texas, Bill Lumpkin worked at General Dynamics as an aircraft electrician after serving a hitch in the military. He joined the Dallas Police Department in 1953 and was assigned as one of the lead motorcycle officers in the Kennedy motorcade.

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I don’t know what time we went to work that day. I remember having a detail with all the squads of the motor jockeys together, and we were all given our assignments. We knew the route and where we were going and approximately how long we were going to be. We were told what to do in case things happened, what hospital to go to if an emergency came up. That would be the only time we would use the siren.

I was one of the people that led the parade along with Leon Gray, Ellis, and McBride. There were quite a few of us in the parade, but some of the motor jockeys weren’t assigned to the parade. Some of them were sent to stand-by stations. It wasn’t considered necessarily an honor; you just did what they told you. I escorted a lot of parades, so it was just an assignment. Probably if I hadn’t been in the parade, my feelings would have been hurt. But we used to have a lot of parades in town and there had been times when other jockeys had gone out of town on assignments, and I’d stayed in to lead a parade because I had done it so many times. I was used to doing it.

There was nothing special about that particular morning. We spit and polished our equipment and our uniforms and were told to assemble at Love Field. There were a lot of folks there, a lot of folks!

We had no problems with the parade except one time, I believe, the President got out of the car on Lemmon. The Secret Service got on the back end and proceeded again. When you lead a parade, you limit your speed to whatever speed they want to go. And so we really had to keep our eye on his vehicle by turning around and looking because he was slowing down.

My job in leading the parade was to make sure the crowd was back out of the street in front, and then, of course, you alert the officers up on the parade route that the parade is behind you. But the main thing is, when you’re four abreast like that, you keep the street clear for the parade. You look back and try to be sure that the parade is in a group, that it hadn’t straggled out. And you can slow them down for that. But nothing stands out. It was just a presidential motorcade.

We were in front of the President’s car when the shooting took place. We were stopped on Elm Street between Houston street and the Triple Underpass. There were only three of us at the time. McBride had already gone over to Stemmons to notify them that we were getting ready to come through since they were going to close Stemmons northbound. Sergeant Ellis had asked him to go on up and notify them that we were en route. But we had turned off of Main Street onto Houston for one block, then over to Elm Street, then turned back left, and we were stopped at the time before we heard the shots.

When the shots occurred, I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring. The motors were running really hot because we had been going slowly for so long. They would have a tendency to backfire when they were running hot, and running slow for a long period would cause them to run hot.

I heard three distinct bangs with none of them being together or anything like that. There’s been conflicting reports where all the noise came from. From where I was it was behind me. I’ve heard people say a lot of different things over the years, but when you have buildings and other obstructions, you’re going to have an echo factor and different opinions.

The shots came from behind where I was and, as I mentioned, I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring at first, till I turned back and saw the commotion in the President’s convertible. I wasn’t sure at the time what it was, but it later turned out that it was his wife on the back. There was no problem seeing the car, but at the time, I jut saw a figure. Then Chaney rode up to Curry and probably told him that the President had been shot.

We were still stopped at that time, and then Chief Curry comes on and says, “Let’s go boys!” I’m not sure that there was anything said other than that and, of course, we headed for Parkland because we knew in case something happened, that was where we were supposed to go.

We went under the Triple Underpass and took the entrance ramp to Stemmons Freeway. At that time, Sergeant Ellis stopped there at Stemmons. Leon Gray, Chaney, and myself escorted the parade on to Parkland Hospital by way of Stemmons to Industrial, Industrial to Hines, Hines to the entrance into the back of Parkland.

We were going very, very fast! I’m going to say we might have hit speeds up to 80–85 M.P.H. on Stemmons. We were going just as fast as we could get the car to go. I saw the limousine behind us, and I noticed this Secret Service man hanging on the back of it with his coat hanging, and I was amazed that he could hang on. When we got to Hines, there was a railroad track, and I know that I got airborne. I’m sure that I was out front and Gray and Chaney behind me. More than likely they got airborne, too. You didn’t have a lot of space over on the other end, and when you land to turn, I knew that if I went down I’d probably get run over. But you train and you know that you can drag your footstand without going over as long as you don’t go over too far. Oh, you’re going to get some sparks and some noise when you go over that far, but unless you get on some oil or sand or something like that, you can stay up. But it was a fast ride!

Nothing much goes through your mind at a time like that. You know that you’ve got a job to do, and you want to do your job well. When we came off of Stemmons, we were supposed to turn into Market Hall. Sergeant Striegel and some other officers were there, including some other jockeys, and he came out into the street waving because we were going too fast and that we were supposed to pull in there. I guess he hadn’t heard that the President had been shot, and you have to worry about him not getting too far out into the street. But you’re concerned with just doing your job when something like this happens. After it’s over, then you have time to think about it.

When we turned into the hospital, there was only a certain amount of parking space back there. Since I was in the lead, I stopped to get off my motor to make sure that cars that didn’t belong there didn’t come in because I was in a better position to react. So I stopped probably a couple hundred feet from the emergency entrance. When the last cars that I knew and the last jockeys came in, I stopped traffic. We had to get all that secured. I was the only one right then. Later some people came up to help me, but it wasn’t any big problem then. You just stepped out and stopped them. That was the main thing you wanted to do was to just get more cars in there so you could maneuver the other vehicles.

I was probably still in the process of just getting off my motor when the limousine came by. I saw the President slumped down, and I saw Lyndon Johnson. Johnson was like a ghost; I thought he was shot. He came by after the President riding in a different vehicle, if I remember right. His face was familiar to me because I had had some problems with him in the past back when he was running the year Kennedy got the nomination.

Leon Gray, at that time, was my partner. Our assignment was that we were to ride on each side of his vehicle for his protection to keep people from rushing it. On this occasion, it was already past our time to get off, but we had to go ahead and finish the escort. Johnson didn’t have any good things to say about motor jockeys, and he told his driver to force Gray back to the side of his car, which he did. He forced Gray into the curb on a bridge on Zang and nearly caused him to wreck. I had some words with his driver, so I guess that’s why I knew Johnson pretty well.

Anyway, I didn’t see much of the President other than he was just slumped down and that he had been shot, and that his brains had been blown out. I must have seen that somewhere along the way. I know they kept wanting to know whether Kennedy was going to make his speech at the Market Hall, and finally this three-wheel officer came on and told them that his brains were blown out, and he wasn’t going to be there, and this kept coming over the radio: “Well, is he going to be able to make the speech?” We knew that he was dead.

We stayed out at Parkland for a long time, and then they sent us downtown to guard Oswald. We were on the third floor where they had him. There were quite a few of us up there and, of course, there were newspaper reporters and cameramen from all over.

The scene up there was wild! Absolutely wild! Forcefully, you had to keep them back. It was hysteria! Just asking them to stay back wouldn’t do. They weren’t responding! I can remember the cameras back then had big battery packs that looked like they weighted eighty or ninety pounds. I imagine they probably weighed a lot less than that, but they were big things, and their TV cameras were monstrous. Anyway, I can remember this guy that must have weighed over four hundred pounds who wouldn’t stay back, and finally, I just had to put my fist into his stomach because I weighed only abut 160. Manners were a thing of the past, or courtesy. You could ask our own people to do something and they would try to cooperate with you. In fact, we knew quite a few of them personally. But the national people, a lot of them just didn’t want to do what you asked them to do. They decided that they knew how close they could get a lot better than you did. But there was such a rush and, I guess, everybody wanted a story. I’ve been involved in escorts for Elvis Presley and the Beatles, and those were wild. But the crowds were young. These were adult people that you expect more out of.

I saw Oswald a few times. He was screaming and hollering and all this. He was like a wild man claiming his innocence. I don’t remember what all he was saying, but I think he was talking about conspiracy. They didn’t move him any more than they had to, I’m sure, but they brought him out of Captain Fritz’s office, Homicide Division, and down a private elevator where I think they took him down to the lineups or details.

I think I got home around midnight that night as we stayed fairly late till they got some of the photographers out. I was off duty the next day because I had Saturdays and Sundays off then. Fortunately I wasn’t there when Oswald was killed.

That was an hellacious mistake! It should never have happened even though I can see how it did happen. To me, that was a lot worse to Dallas than the President being killed.

I knew Jack Ruby, and I know that a lot of officers knew him. He owned nightclubs, and if you were in his place you didn’t have to worry about the establishment. If you wanted to arrest somebody, you did not fight the establishment; you only had to worry about the person you were arresting. I had made some arrests up in his places and knew that you didn’t have to worry about him if you were given a hard time by his enticing the crowd of people in his club not to let them arrest this person; in other words, trying to turn the crowd against you. He liked officers. I think he appreciated the job that they did, so I can see how he could have gotten down there and shot Oswald.

But I didn’t know him that well and didn’t know that much about him. I’d been in the Vegas Club out on Oak Lawn and the Carousel downtown, but I didn’t drink, so I didn’t go into those type places other than to make arrests or on some police matter.

Like I’ve said, City Hall was a mess that weekend, which definitely contributed to what happened to Oswald. Jesse Curry probably was responsible for that, but he had bosses, too, and any chief has a certain amount of politics to play. I’m just speculating, though, because I was just a patrolman. They gave me a job to do and I did it. But City Hall belonged to the public, and I guess they were trying to let the public have as much freedom as they could.

Personally, I’d like to have seen the press cleared out, but I do know that you have to let the press know. It would have been a whole lot easier if we could have just stood at the door and not let anybody in and had all the fighting there instead of having this whole hallway full of people pushing and shoving and trying to get room for more.

I think the Dallas Police Department handled it about as well as any department would have. Regardless of where it happened, you’re going to have to let the press have access, and then you have to let more in than you really like. But I think Dallas did as well as anybody would have and maybe better than a lot.

Looking back, the motorcycle patrolmen were an independent bunch back then. When I went into the Motorcycle Division, you were voted on before you got in. If the other jockeys thought you had an attitude that they thought was going to create problems, you wouldn’t get on motors. That way the people knew you. You had to have a vote of confidence for you to get on. And you had good and bad motor jockeys just like you have in anything else. But it was like a club, and we were real close. I don’t think that closeness prevailed in Radio Patrol. I know we had some jockeys that would kind of brag to the Radio Patrol about how great it was, and I chewed a lot of them out for that because, if you’ve got something good going, if you’re going pretty smooth, don’t rock the boat and brag to somebody else that you’ve got it made a whole lot better than them. But we’re like kinfolks. Some of the new motor jockeys I don’t know, but I still have coffee with some of the older ones today.

A couple of asides… Officer J.D. Tippit and I were from the same Red River County up in Northwest Texas. I knew him, but I never worked with him. Tippit was in Radio Patrol, and since I stayed on Radio Patrol only about nine months and then went to Traffic Division, I never worked with him. I went on a three-wheeler then, from there to solo, and I knew a lot of these people because we didn’t have substations back then when I went to work, so we all met at the same place. But you’d just speak to them and that was it. Some of them you knew better than others. Some of us were loudmouths, and some were pretty quiet. Tippit was fairly quiet. When I heard that Tippit had been shot, we had a traffic hit and run investigator named Tippitt, and I thought that’s who it was that got shot. But you just wonder how he got shot because he was a pretty strong guy.

I also knew Mary Moorman. She and McBride went to school together, I believe it was. That’s how I met her, and she was down there with another lady named Jean Hill, so I knew them both. Mary took a picture of me sitting on my motorcycle there in front of the Triple Underpass just before Kennedy arrived. Then she took a picture of Kennedy and received a cash settlement for quite a bit of money. I’ve seen her a number of times since then. She gave me the Polaroid picture of me straddling this motorcycle, but I don’t know where it is now. I knew where it was for a long time, and some years ago, somebody wanted to look at it, and now it’s misplaced. I’ve been asked about that picture a number of times, but I just remember it had me being on a motorcycle. It didn’t show anything suspicious that I recall. I didn’t pay that much attention to it since I don’t care much about getting my picture taken.

I retired in 1981 after twenty-seven and a half years on the department. When I retired, another man and I had a business selling and repairing lawn mowers, chain saws, garden tractors, and tillers. We sold that business, and now I’m helping raise grandchildren.

Bill Lumpkin now works on a part-time basis as a bailiff for the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department and lives with his wife in Mesquite, Texas.

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - May 10, 2009

Deceased Name: Lumpkin , Dr. Forrest Edward

Lumpkin, Dr. Forrest Edward The life of Dr. Forrest Edward Lumpkin, Jr. ended on Tuesday May 5, 2009 as his body, but not his unquenchable spirit, failed him. Forrest was born on November 5, 1921 in Kaufman, TX at the house of his grandfather, Dr. James Walter Park, Sr., where his mother had also been born 28 years earlier. Young Forrest grew up in Terrell, TX and, in 1939, graduated from Terrell High School, as had his father. Forrest obtained his undergraduate education from the Rice Institute and the University of Texas obtaining a bachelor's degree from the latter in 1942. While a student at Texas he was an active member of the Kappa Alpha fraternity and remained close with many of his KA brothers for all his life. After college, Forrest studied medicine at Thomas Jefferson Medical School in Philadelphia. After completing his internship at Jefferson, Forrest served his country as a medical officer in the US Army spending time overseas at the US Army hospital in Okinawa. After completing military service, Forrest entered and completed a surgical residency at Parkland Hospital in Dallas. He then opened private practice in Dallas as a general surgeon. After years of life as a bachelor, Forrest settled down and married Katherine Barbee Gaines, known as Kay, on August 5, 1961. Forrest and Kay were blessed by a son, Forrest III, on August 22, 1963. Before baby Forrest turned one, the elder Forrest took the family to Houston for a year to continue his medical training. He obtained a second specialization in peripheral vascular surgery in July of 1965 and then returned with his small family to Dallas in July where he again resumed his private practice. The family almost doubled in size when Forrest and Kay were again blessed with children, twin daughters, Katherine Pendleton Gaines Lumpkin and Vera Elizabeth Park Lumpkin, on December 3, 1966. Forrest, Kay, Forrest III, and the twins, known as Kathy and Libby, moved from North Dallas to Highland Park in 1969. Forrest enjoyed hunting, racquetball, tennis, skiing, swimming, travel, and coin and stamp collecting. He was an active member of Highland Park United Methodist Church and regularly attended its Wesleyan Fellowship Sunday School class. He was a fellow of the American College of Surgeons. He was a member of the Dallas County Medical Association, the Texas Medical Association, the American Medical Association, and the Dallas County Society of General Surgeons. He was active in the YMCA and served for years on the Board of Directors for the Dallas YMCA's Camp Grady Spruce. He retired from active medical practice at Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas in 1993, but remained involved in the field by regularly attending Presbyterian's Tumor Board. After retirement he indulged his passion for travel and ventured to Alaska, Russia, China -- including Hong Kong, India, the Mediterranean, Brazil, Mexico, and elsewhere. Forrest is survived by his three children: Forrest III, Elizabeth Lumpkin Williams, and Katherine Lumpkin Escoe, by the spouses of his children: respectively, the former Suzanne Sawyer, Steven Williams, and Gene Escoe, and by six young granddaughters. Forrest was preceded in death by his parents, Forrest Edward Lumpkin, Sr. and Vera Park Lumpkin and by his wife Kay. Visitation will be held Sunday, May 10 from 4 to 6 at the Restland funeral home. A memorial service celebrating Forrest's life will be held Monday, May 11 at 10 o'clock in the morning in the Sanctuary at Highland Park United Methodist Church. In lieu of flowers, memorials can be made to the Vera and Forrest Lumpkin Surgical Lectureship, UT Southwestern, PO Box 910888, Dallas, Texas 75391-0888.

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - May 20, 2003

Deceased Name: LUMPKIN LARRY

LUMPKIN, LARRY, 70. a retired realtor and owner of Larry LUMPKIN, LARRY, 70, a retired realtor and owner of Larry Lumpkin Realtors in Oak Cliff for many years. A graduate of Sweeney High School and a graduate of the class of '54 Texas A & M., spent 9 years in the U. S. Army with two tours in Germany. He then worked with Neiman Marcus and Helen Corbitt, and then the food industry before becoming a realtor. Survivors include his son and daughter in law; Wayne and Mitzy Lumpkin of Dallas and brother John Houston of Duncanville, and a number of cousins. Graveside services and interment will be at 11 A.M. Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at Wheatland Cemetery in Dallas, Texas with Rev. Jack D. McNabb officiating. The family will receive friends from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Tuesday at the funeral home. West / Hurtt Funeral Home 217 S. Hampton Road DeSoto (972) 223-6314 www.legacy.com

Miami Herald, The (FL) - October 6, 1987

Deceased Name: THOMAS LUMPKIN , EX-GULF OIL VICE PRESIDENT

Thomas D. Lumpkin, an attorney and retired president of Gulf Oil Co.'s Latin American division, died Sunday of liver disease. He was 73.

The Amarillo, Texas , native spent much of his career in the oil business, and much of that time in Latin America and England. He had lived in Coral Gables, where Gulf's Latin American headquarters are based, since becoming vice president of the division in 1969.

Business wasn't Mr. Lumpkin's only concern. "He was very active here in Miami," said his son, Tom II. Mr. Lumpkin served on a number of community boards, including the Florida International University Foundation, WPBT-TV, Ransom Everglades School and the Fairchild Tropical Garden.

The son of an attorney, Mr. Lumpkin graduated from the University of Texas with a law degree in 1936. He joined the legal department of Phillips Petroleum the following year.

With the outbreak of World War II, he became a special agent for the FBI and was assigned to Colombia and Venezuela. For part of the war, he worked as a legal attache in embassies in Bogota and Caracas.

Mr. Lumpkin went with Gulf in 1948. He began in industrial relations and worked his way into management. He became a world- wide coordinator for exploration and production in 1966. In 1971, he was named president of the Latin division.

Mr. Lumpkin spent many of his last years with Gulf negotiating buyouts with Latin American countries, his son said. In the early 1970s, several nations nationalized the holdings of U.S. companies within their boundaries, he said. Mr. Lumpkin's role was to see to it that Gulf was fairly paid for those holdings. He retired from Gulf in 1976.

In recent years, Mr. Lumpkin has been associated with the Miami law firm of Valdes-Fauli, Cobb and Petrey, P.A.

In addition to Tom II, Mr. Lumpkin's survivors include his wife, Elizabeth; and a second son, Hugh.

Services will be at 3 p.m. today, at the Van Orsdel Coral Gables Chapel.

In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to a charity of choice.

George Lonnie. Lumpkin (RIP July 15, 1994

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - July 18, 1994

Deceased Name: Services today for George Lumpkin , 40-year member of Dallas police force

Retired Dallas police Capt. George Lumpkin, 84, died Friday of cancer. Services will be at 4 p.m. Monday at Restland Memorial Chapel in Dallas.

Mr. Lumpkin served for 40 years in the Police Department and played a significant role in the investigation of President John F. Kennedy's assassination, his family said.

"Dad was in the lead car of the motorcade," said his daughter, Maureen Stone. "He was also one of the first to reach the hospital when Kennedy was shot."

He also served 39 months in the Army during World War II, receiving the Bronze Star for taking part the capture of 30 prisoners, his daughter said.

"He captured them without killing them," Mrs. Stone said. "My father believed in not using guns unless necessary."

He retired as a colonel from the Army Reserves and was awarded the Legion of Merit for his service as commandant of the Dallas Area Army Reserve School.

Other survivors include his wife, Katherine Lumpkin; son Michael Lumpkin of Dallas; sister Mildred Bunch of Arlington; six grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren.

Can you find what makes the following obituary intriguing?

DMN 09-10-1975

Mrs. Martha Leone Baker, 4223 Overlook Dr.

survived by daughter, Mrs Gena Courtner, brother

Ray Swindle, Fort Worth; sisters Jane Swindle, Inez

Slaughter, Dallas, Fern Lumpkin, Mesquite, Thelma Gardner,

Terrell; grandchildren: Leslie Baker, Cherie Cason, both of Dallas;

great grandchild; Julie Cason

Services 11:00 a.m. Thursday ANDERSON-CLAYTON CHAPEL

Rev. Larry Henry officiating. Internment Grove Hill

an employee of Mercy Lee Manufacturing Company, for 30 years

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WG Lumpkin was said to be from Avery, TX, a town in Red River County.

According to this, (and I think he is still alive...) his father and mother were.:

http://files.usgwarchives.org/tx/redriver/vitals/births/1930/redrib30.txt

RED RIVER COUNTY, TEXAS - BIRTHS 1930 - USGenWeb Archives

... William Gordon 5-23-1930 M Sallie Mckinney Tyson T. Lumpkin

According to entries near the bottom of this 1920 Census image from RED RIVER COUNTY, TEXAS, Tyson Lumpkin was the son of Sallie Lumpkin of Alabama.:

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DMN 11-16-1965

10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation

By Gene Ormsby

Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division,

are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun

commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin.

Some 1,000 reservists are attached to these units, but one local military

source said other units may be moved in from other areas to help absorb

the personnel.

Dallas bases with the 90th Infantry Division which would be inactivated

by the Pentagon order include:

HEADQUARTERS DIVISION ARTILLERY; Headquarters and Headquarters

Co., 3rd Infantry Brigade; 90th Division Band; Military Police Co.;

Headquarters and Service Battery, Battery A and B of the 3rd Howitzer

Battalion, 12th Artillery; Co. D of the 790th Maintenance Battalion;

Headquarters and Headquarters Co. and Co. A of the 1st Battalion,

359th Infantry; Co. A of the 2nd Battalion 359th Infantry;

All of these units are based at the Muchert Reserve Center

10031 E. Northwest Highway, and include about 800 reservists.

Other units expected to get the ax include the 363rd Engineering

Group’s Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment;

the 327th Military Intelligence Detachment (Armed Forces

Censorship) the 406th Military Intelligence Detachment

(Armed Forces Censorship) and Co. B of the 719th

Transportation Battalion, all based at the Herzog Reserve Center

at 4900 S. Lancaster.

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander

said the same units were listed more than a month ago by

Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the ones to be disbanded.

McNamara announced at that time that the 90th Infantry Division

would be disbanded

Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation of the orders from

Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place in the next two to three

months. The Colonel speculated that in another location where the

unit is sharing facilities with a 90th Division unit which is being

disbanded the remaining outfit might be moved to another location,

hopefully Dallas.

“I hope they have something in mind to offset the loss,” Whitmeyer

said.

Dallas personnel in the abolished units may be able to transfer to

remaining reserve units to complete their military obligation,

Calhoun said.

Other alternatives include enrollment in an Army Reserve school

or transfer to National Guard units or to a ready reserve

reinforcement pool.

Calhoun said the ready reserves or “select force”

will qualify members for a 50 per cent increase in drill pay

as announced by the Pentagon.

150,000 reservists and Guardsmen will compose the

full strength force.

“I do not anticipate that all Dallas personnel will find a vacancy

in other reserves of the Guard.” Calhoun added. “If they cannot,

school courses leading to retirement will be made available.”

Col. George Lumpkin, a member of the Dallas police force is head of the Dallas

Reserve School.

OBITUARY

Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 and passed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated from Alabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. and also for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English. She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. She pursued her love of antiques by first working for a silver dealer and eventually opening her own business in the 1960's on Sale St. and Dickason. She later moved her shop to Milam and N. Henderson. She loved the antique business and made so many friends during those years. She also was an estate appraiser. Her husband George, Sr. and her youngest son, Glenn, preceded her in death. She is survived by her son George, Jr., daughter-in-law Cindy and granddaughters Lindsey and Allison. A graveside service will be held Tuesday, April 7, 2009 at 1:00 p.m. at Restland Memorial Park.

Lykes Steamship Co.,.......definitely sounds familiar.....

Remember the address 3501 Mockingbird;

George, Frances and George Jr's address in Dallas

before the death of George Whitmeyer Senior.......

also circa 1963 Whitmeyer was a sub-sector comander

the above article refers to him as a sector commander.

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Chief Lumpkin is the driver of the Pilot Car that also has two detectives and an Colonel from US Army Reserves. They stop briefly at the corner of Houston and Elm and pull over to the side of the road and tell the police officer there that the motorcade was about three minutes behind them - and apparently - at the same time, informing the sixth floor sniper sixty feet above them.

After following the motorcade to Parkland hospital, the Pilot Car returned to Dealey Plaza and Lumpkin hooks up with Roy Truly, who had earlier followed patrolman Baker into the building and led him up the stairs where Baker had an encounter with Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom within 90 seconds of the last shot.

Truly then sees a half dozen employees standing around the wrapping table and notices that Oswald isn't among them. So he goes into this office and calls another building and asks for Oswald's employment card to be pulled and gets Oswald's basic information, including his address, and height, weight and hair and eye color.

Seeing Chief Lumpkin, he walks over and tells him that he has a man missing - and Lumpkin decides to tell Capt. Fritz so they go upstairs to the sixth floor where they had found the rifle, and Lumplin interupts Fritz and tells him that Truly has something to tell him and then Truly tells Fritz that he has a man missing - Oswald - and gives him his basics and address. At this point a reporter overhears this conversation and stops Truly and asks him about this man Oswald, who Truly says is just a missing employee.

Fritz then - and I'd like to know where I read this - Fritz then goes across the street and meets with Sheriff Decker in his office and then proceeds back to the DPD. When they get there Fritz orders a policeman to go out to Irving and pick up Oswald for questioning, and the cop tells Fritz that he didn't have to as Oswald was sitting right there already under arrest.

So Roy Truly exonerates Oswald on the one hand - because he didn't see him go through the second floor lunchroom door ahead of Baker, and he should have if Oswald went into the lunchroom through that door, and then he fingers Oswald as a suspect because of his suspicious absence.

Thetestimony of Roy S. Truly was taken at 2:30 p.m., on May 14, 1964, in theoffice of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and ErvayStreets, Dallas, Tex.,

Mr.BALL. Now, you recall that in your testimony before the Commission you toldthem that at some time after the shooting, you advised Captain Fritz of thename of Lee Oswald and his address in Irving?

Mr.TRULY. Yes, I did.

Mr.BALL. And in order to place the time of it, was it before or after the riflehad been found on the sixth floor?

Mr.TRULY. I wouldn't know. I think it must have been around the rifle was found,because I was not on the sixth floor at that time, but when told--let's go backa few minutes--pardon me--I told Chief Lumpkin a good many minutes after wecame down from the roof and he went ahead and gave some orders to two or threepolicemen surrounding him and then said, "Let's go up and tell CaptainFritz."

Mr.BALL. Now, what did you tell Chief Lumpkin when you came down from the roof ofthe building?

Mr.TRULY. When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that "Wehave a man here that's missing." I said, "It my not mean anything,but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr.Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get--quickly get his address inIrving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I wouldbe.

Mr.BALL. Was he the only man missing?

Mr.TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time

Mr.BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards?

Mr. TRULY. No,no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floorand I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mine exceptthat I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn'tthere.

Mr. BALL. Whatdo you mean "a short time before"?

Mr. TRULY. Iwould say 10 or 12 minutes.

Mr. BALL. Youmean that's when you saw him in the lunchroom?

Mr. TRULY. In the lunchroom.

Mr. BALL. Andyou noticed he wasn't over there?

Mr. TRULY. Well,I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him around and he said "No."

Mr. BALL. Now,you told Chief Lumpkin that there was a man missing?

Mr. TRULY. Yes;and he said, "Let's go tell Captain Fritz." Well, I didn't know whereCaptain Fritz was.

Mr. BALL. Now,did you tell Chief Lumpkin the man was missing before or after you called tothe warehouse and got the name?

Mr. TRULY. No, Icalled the warehouse beforehand.

Mr. BALL. Youdidn't talk to any police officer before you called the warehouse and got theaddress?

Mr. TRULY. Notthat I remember.

Mr. BALL. Youdid that on your own without instructions?

Mr. TRULY. That'sright.

Mr. BALL. So,when you talked to Chief Lumpkin, you at that time had in your possession therethe address of Lee Oswald in Irving?

Mr. TRULY.That's right, I had scribbled it down on a piece of map or something so I wouldremember it.

Mr. BALL. Thatis the address that he had put on his application form for employment?

Mr. TRULY.That's right.

Mr. BALL. Anddid you know of any other address

Mr. TRULY. Ididn't know of any other address at all

Mr. BALL. Inother words, you went with Chief Lumpkin to the sixth floor, didn't you?

Mr. TRULY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Andwhat was your purpose of going there?

Mr. TRULY. Mypurpose in going there was to inform Captain Fritz that this boy was missingand give him his telephone number, and his

Irving address, at thesuggestion of Chief Lumpkin, who accompanied me.

Mr. BALL. Didyou give Captain Fritz this name and address?

Mr. TRULY. Yes,I did.

Mr. TRULY. Itold--well, when Chief Lumpkin and I went to the sixth floor, Captain Fritz wasstanding in ,the area where I later learned they had found the gun, and ChiefLumpkin told Captain Fritz that Mr. Truly had something to tell him, which Iwould like to tell him, so he stepped over 4 or 5 feet to where I was, awayfrom the other men---officers and reporters, I would say, that were on thefloor, and I repeated the words to Captain Fritz.

Mr. BALL. Whatdid you tell him?

Mr. TRULY. Itold him that we had a man missing---I told him what his name was and his

Irving address and hesaid, "All right, thank you, Mr. Truly. We will get right on it," orwords to that effect, and so I left the sixth floor shortly.

While I was upthere, just as I left Captain Fritz, a reporter walked over and said,"What about this fellow Oswald?" And I said, "Where did youlearn the name 'Oswald'?" Because I had talked rather low to Captain Fritzand I said, "He's just an employee here," and I left,

Mr. BALL. Tellme about how many minutes you think it was from the time you obtained theaddress of Lee Oswald until you told Captain Fritz the name and address?

Mr. TRULY. I think it was immediately.

Mr. BALL. Immediately?

Mr. TRULY. Immediately, after I called to thewarehouse and got his name and address in

Irving, I turned around and walked over and told Captain Fritz at that time.

Mr. BALL. ChiefLumpkin?

Mr. TRULY. Yes; Chief Lumpkin.

Mr. BALL. Yes; Chief Lumpkin.

Mr. TRULY. I don't believe so, andthen he came to me and said, "All right, Mr. Truly, let's go up and seeCaptain Fritz and tell him this."

Mr. TRULY. And Iremember Chief Lumpkin talking to two or three officers and I stepped back andhe went ahead and told them a few things- it could have been 2 or 3 or 4minutes.

Mr. BALL. Notover that?

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Who fingered Oswald first, and how and why they did it?

From Roy Truly we learn that he saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom when he went up the back stairs with Officer Baker within a minute or so after the last shot.

Then a little while later, around the time they found the rifle, Truly said he saw a group of employees standing near the wrapping station and noticed Oswald wasn't there. So he went back to his office and called an office in another building where he obtained information from the company files on Oswald - including his basic background and address - as listed as Mrs. Paine's house in Irving. He then saw DPD Chief Lumpkin and told him about Oswald and Lumpkin and Truly then go up to the Sixth Floor where Lumpkin interupts Capt. Fritz and tells him that Truly has some information for him. Truly then tell Fritz about the missing man - Oswald and gives him the basic background info and address from the company files.

Because Peter Dale Scott had previously called our attention to the Pilot Car, we know that Lumpkin was driving it, and had stopped at the intersection of Houston and Elm to tell the traffic cop there that the motorcade was three minutes away - and also telling the same thing to the Sixth Floor Sniper, sixty feet above them.

With Lumpkin in the Pilot Car was US Army Reserve Col. George Whitmeyer. Lumpkin had pulled to the side of the road and allowed the motorcade to pass and then followed it to Parkland before returning to the TSBD - a period of about ten to fifteen minutes after the assassination.

And from his obit (below) we learn that Lumpkin was also a Colonel in the Army Reserves, so there were two Colonels of the US Army Reserves in the Pilot Car of the motorcade. We also know one of them, also a police chief, played an instrumental role in fingering Oswald as a suspect, along with Truly, who should have not suspected Oswald was the assassin since he saw him calmly talking to Baker in the lunchroom within a few minutes of the assassination.

Is it possible to determine who Truly called at another TSBD company office in another building to obtain Oswald's address and background information?

I also find it interesting that Whitmyer was stationed in the Army in Germany from after WWII until 1961, and that his wife worked for Lykes Steamship line,

the company that ran the ship Oswald took to Europe when he defected.

Does anyone else find this line of inquiry interesting?

George Lonnie. Lumpkin (RIP July 15, 1994

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - July 18, 1994

Deceased Name: Services today for George Lumpkin ,40-year member of Dallas police force

Retired Dallas police Capt. George Lumpkin, 84,died Friday of cancer. Services will be at

4 p.m. Monday at Restland Memorial Chapel in Dallas.

Mr. Lumpkin served for 40 years in the PoliceDepartment and played a significant role in the investigation of President JohnF. Kennedy's assassination, his family said.

"Dad was in the lead car of themotorcade," said his daughter, Maureen Stone. "He was also one of thefirst to reach the hospital when Kennedy was shot."

He also served 39 months in the Army during WorldWar II, receiving the Bronze Star for taking part the capture of 30 prisoners,his daughter said.

"He captured them without killing them,"Mrs. Stone said. "My father believed in not using guns unlessnecessary."

He retired as a colonel from the Army Reserves andwas awarded the Legion of Merit for his service as commandant of the

Dallas Area Army Reserve School.

Other survivors include his wife, KatherineLumpkin; son Michael Lumpkin of Dallas; sister Mildred Bunch of Arlington; six grandchildren; and twogreat-grandchildren.

Can you find what makes the following obituaryintriguing?

DMN 09-10-1975

Mrs. Martha Leone Baker, 4223 Overlook Dr.

survived by daughter, Mrs Gena Courtner, brother

Ray Swindle, Fort Worth; sisters Jane Swindle,Inez

Slaughter, Dallas, Fern Lumpkin, Mesquite, ThelmaGardner,

Terrell; grandchildren: Leslie Baker, CherieCason, both of Dallas;

great grandchild; Julie Cason

Services 11:00 a.m. Thursday ANDERSON-CLAYTONCHAPEL

Rev. Larry Henry officiating. Internment GroveHill

an employee of Mercy Lee Manufacturing Company,for 30 years

cc

DMN 11-16-1965

10 Dallas reserve Units Included InInactivation

By Gene Ormsby

Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including10 in the 90th Infantry Division,

are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, MajorGen. William R. Calhoun

commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps saidMonday in Austin.

Some 1,000 reservists are attached to these units,but one local military

source said other units may be moved in from otherareas to help absorb

the personnel.

Dallas bases with the 90th Infantry Division whichwould be inactivated

by the Pentagon order include:

HEADQUARTERS DIVISION ARTILLERY; Headquarters andHeadquarters

Co., 3rd Infantry Brigade; 90th Division Band;Military Police Co.;

Headquarters and Service Battery, Battery A and Bof the 3rd Howitzer

Battalion, 12th Artillery; Co. D of the 790thMaintenance Battalion;

Headquarters and Headquarters Co. and Co. A of the1st Battalion,

359th Infantry;

Co. A of the 2nd Battalion 359th Infantry;

All of these units are based at the MuchertReserve Center

10031 E. Northwest Highway, and include about 800 reservists.

Other units expected to get the ax include the363rd Engineering

Group’s Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment;

the 327th Military Intelligence Detachment (ArmedForces

Censorship) the 406th Military IntelligenceDetachment

(Armed Forces Censorship) and Co. B of the 719th

Transportation Battalion, all based at the HerzogReserve Center

at 4900 S. Lancaster.

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texassector commander

said the same units were listed more than a monthago by

Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the onesto be disbanded.

McNamara announced at that time that the 90thInfantry Division

would be disbanded

Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation ofthe orders from

Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place inthe next two to three

months. The Colonel speculated that in anotherlocation where the

unit is sharing facilities with a 90th Divisionunit which is being

disbanded the remaining outfit might be moved toanother location,

hopefully Dallas.

“I hope they have something in mind to offset theloss,” Whitmeyer

said.

Dallas personnel in the abolished units may be ableto transfer to

remaining reserve units to complete their militaryobligation,

Calhoun said.

Other alternatives include enrollment in an ArmyReserve school

or transfer to National Guard units or to a readyreserve

reinforcement pool.

Calhoun said the ready reserves or “select force”

will qualify members for a 50 per cent increase indrill pay

as announced by the Pentagon.

150,000 reservists and Guardsmen will compose the

full strength force.

“I do not anticipate that all Dallas personnel will find a vacancy

in other reserves of the Guard.” Calhoun added.“If they cannot,

school courses leading to retirement will be madeavailable.”

Col. George Lumpkin, a member of the Dallas police force is head of the Dallas

Reserve School.

OBITUARY

Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 andpassed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated fromAlabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. andalso for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English.She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. Theymoved to Fort Worth in1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. She pursued her love of antiques byfirst working for a silver dealer and eventually opening her own business inthe 1960's on Sale St. and Dickason. She later moved her shop toMilam and N. Henderson. Sheloved the antique business and made so many friends during those years. Shealso was an estate appraiser. Her husband George, Sr. and her youngest son,Glenn, preceded her in death. She is survived by her son George, Jr.,daughter-in-law Cindy and granddaughters Lindsey and Allison. A gravesideservice will be held Tuesday, April 7, 2009 at 1:00 p.m. at Restland Memorial Park.

Lykes Steamship Co.,.......Oswald sailed Lykes to Europe

Remember the address 3501 Mockingbird;

George, Frances and George Jr's address in Dallas

before the death of George Whitmeyer Senior.......

also circa 1963 Whitmeyer was a sub-sectorcomander

the above article refers to him as a sectorcommander.

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Who fingered Oswald first, and how and why did they do it?

Roy Truly claims that he saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom when he went up the back stairs with Officer Baker within a minute or so after the last shot.

Then a little while later, around the time they found the rifle, Truly said he saw a group of employees standing near the wrapping station and noticed Oswald wasn't there. So he went back to his office and called an office in another building where he obtained information from the company files on Oswald - including his basic background and address - as listed as Mrs. Paine's house in Irving. He then saw DPD Chief Lumpkin and told him about Oswald and Lumpkin and Truly then go up to the Sixth Floor where Lumpkin interupts Capt. Fritz and tells him that Truly has some information for him. Truly then tell Fritz about the missing man - Oswald and gives him the basic background info and address from the company files.

Because Peter Dale Scott had previously called our attention to the Pilot Car, we know that Lumpkin was driving it, and had stopped at the intersection of Houston and Elm to tell the traffic cop there that the motorcade was three minutes away - and also telling the same thing to the Sixth Floor Sniper, sixty feet above them.

With Lumpkin in the Pilot Car was US Army Reserve Col. George Whitmeyer. Lumpkin had pulled to the side of the road and allowed the motorcade to pass and then followed it to Parkland before returning to the TSBD - a period of about ten to fifteen minutes after the assassination.

And from his obit (below) we learn that Lumpkin was also a Colonel in the Army Reserves, so there were two Colonels of the US Army Reserves in the Pilot Car of the motorcade. We also know one of them, also a police chief, played an instrumental role in fingering Oswald as a suspect, along with Truly, who should have not suspected Oswald was the assassin since he saw him calmly talking to Baker in the lunchroom within a few minutes of the assassination.

Is it possible to determine who Truly called at another TSBD company office in another building to obtain Oswald's address and background information?

I also find it interesting that Whitmyer was stationed in the Army in Germany from after WWII until 1961, and that his wife worked for Lykes Steamship line,

the company that ran the ship Oswald took to Europe when he defected.

Does anyone else find this line of inquiry interesting?

George Lonnie. Lumpkin (RIP July 15, 1994

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - July 18, 1994

Deceased Name: Services today for George Lumpkin ,40-year member of Dallas police force

Retired Dallas police Capt. George Lumpkin, 84,died Friday of cancer. Services will be at

4 p.m. Monday at Restland Memorial Chapel in Dallas.

Mr. Lumpkin served for 40 years in the PoliceDepartment and played a significant role in the investigation of President JohnF. Kennedy's assassination, his family said.

"Dad was in the lead car of themotorcade," said his daughter, Maureen Stone. "He was also one of thefirst to reach the hospital when Kennedy was shot."

He also served 39 months in the Army during WorldWar II, receiving the Bronze Star for taking part the capture of 30 prisoners,his daughter said.

"He captured them without killing them,"Mrs. Stone said. "My father believed in not using guns unlessnecessary."

He retired as a colonel from the Army Reserves andwas awarded the Legion of Merit for his service as commandant of the

Dallas Area Army Reserve School.

Other survivors include his wife, KatherineLumpkin; son Michael Lumpkin of Dallas; sister Mildred Bunch of Arlington; six grandchildren; and twogreat-grandchildren.

Can you find what makes the following obituaryintriguing?

DMN 09-10-1975

Mrs. Martha Leone Baker, 4223 Overlook Dr.

survived by daughter, Mrs Gena Courtner, brother

Ray Swindle, Fort Worth; sisters Jane Swindle,Inez

Slaughter, Dallas, Fern Lumpkin, Mesquite, ThelmaGardner,

Terrell; grandchildren: Leslie Baker, CherieCason, both of Dallas;

great grandchild; Julie Cason

Services 11:00 a.m. Thursday ANDERSON-CLAYTONCHAPEL

Rev. Larry Henry officiating. Internment GroveHill

an employee of Mercy Lee Manufacturing Company,for 30 years

cc

DMN 11-16-1965

10 Dallas reserve Units Included InInactivation

By Gene Ormsby

Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including10 in the 90th Infantry Division,

are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, MajorGen. William R. Calhoun

commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps saidMonday in Austin.

Some 1,000 reservists are attached to these units,but one local military

source said other units may be moved in from otherareas to help absorb

the personnel.

Dallas bases with the 90th Infantry Division whichwould be inactivated

by the Pentagon order include:

HEADQUARTERS DIVISION ARTILLERY; Headquarters andHeadquarters

Co., 3rd Infantry Brigade; 90th Division Band;Military Police Co.;

Headquarters and Service Battery, Battery A and Bof the 3rd Howitzer

Battalion, 12th Artillery; Co. D of the 790thMaintenance Battalion;

Headquarters and Headquarters Co. and Co. A of the1st Battalion,

359th Infantry;

Co. A of the 2nd Battalion 359th Infantry;

All of these units are based at the MuchertReserve Center

10031 E. Northwest Highway, and include about 800 reservists.

Other units expected to get the ax include the363rd Engineering

Group's Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment;

the 327th Military Intelligence Detachment (ArmedForces

Censorship) the 406th Military IntelligenceDetachment

(Armed Forces Censorship) and Co. B of the 719th

Transportation Battalion, all based at the HerzogReserve Center

at 4900 S. Lancaster.

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texassector commander

said the same units were listed more than a monthago by

Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the onesto be disbanded.

McNamara announced at that time that the 90thInfantry Division

would be disbanded

Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation ofthe orders from

Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place inthe next two to three

months. The Colonel speculated that in anotherlocation where the

unit is sharing facilities with a 90th Divisionunit which is being

disbanded the remaining outfit might be moved toanother location,

hopefully Dallas.

"I hope they have something in mind to offset theloss," Whitmeyer

said.

Dallas personnel in the abolished units may be ableto transfer to

remaining reserve units to complete their militaryobligation,

Calhoun said.

Other alternatives include enrollment in an ArmyReserve school

or transfer to National Guard units or to a readyreserve

reinforcement pool.

Calhoun said the ready reserves or "select force"

will qualify members for a 50 per cent increase indrill pay

as announced by the Pentagon.

150,000 reservists and Guardsmen will compose the

full strength force.

"I do not anticipate that all Dallas personnel will find a vacancy

in other reserves of the Guard." Calhoun added."If they cannot,

school courses leading to retirement will be madeavailable."

Col. George Lumpkin, a member of the Dallas police force is head of the Dallas Reserve School.

OBITUARY

Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 andpassed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated fromAlabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. andalso for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English.She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. She pursued her love of antiques byfirst working for a silver dealer and eventually opening her own business inthe 1960's on Sale St. and Dickason. She later moved her shop toMilam and N. Henderson. Sheloved the antique business and made so many friends during those years. Shealso was an estate appraiser. Her husband George, Sr. and her youngest son,Glenn, preceded her in death. She is survived by her son George, Jr.,daughter-in-law Cindy and granddaughters Lindsey and Allison. A gravesideservice will be held Tuesday, April 7, 2009 at 1:00 p.m. at Restland Memorial Park.

Lykes Steamship Co.,.......Oswald sailed Lykes to Europe

Remember the address 3501 Mockingbird;

George, Frances and George Jr's address in Dallas

before the death of George Whitmeyer Senior.......

also circa 1963 Whitmeyer was a sub-sectorcomander

the above article refers to him as a sectorcommander.

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Headquarters of Lykes in the early 1960s was at 821 Gravier, an easy 4 block walk from Lafayette Square.

So its possible that Col. Whitmeyer's wife sold Oswald his Lykes Line steamer ticket to Europe when he defected, and her husband rode in the pilot car in the motorcade, that stopped by the corner of Houston and Elm to tell the traffic cop there - and the Sixth Floor sniper - that the motorcade was three minutes away. And Whitmyer's fellow Army Reserve Col. riding shotgun in the same car is one of the two principles who first fingered Oswald as a suspect.

I don't know if that's such a coincidence.

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I don't want to get off track but there is another person, who deserves checking into, I believe anyone can understand my curiosity, when you take into account that this document is the only reference whatsoever, I have been able to find to this person, highly unusual when you consider the duplication of JFK assassination documents as well as the fact that I have been doing a lot of checking, and can find no corroboration of any Corp of Engineers meeting in Fort Worth on the day of the assassination.

It also is interesting that Blue Island, Illinois is in Cook County, a place that is not exactly unheard of in the JFK saga. I believe Mr. G. W. Becker was with the Rock Island Railroad, but I do not believe there was a meeting of the U.S. Corp of Engineers on November 22, 1963, and it is the US Army Corp of Engineers, is there a reticence to use the word Army?

page 67 G W Becker, Special Engineer for Drainage, Rock Island Line Railroad with offices in the La Salle Street Station, 2110 W. 120th Place, Blue Island, Illinois, advised telephonically he had heard what he believes was a rifle shot on 3:00 PM Thurs., Nov 21, 1963 along the Railroad tracks in Dallas, as he was "walking track" of the Rock Island Railroad about three quarters of a mile west of the Rock Island depot in Irving, Texas. He said he was just west of the underpass at Iowa Street underpass and the shot appeared to come from a point about a block away to the north. He stated this occurred about 3:00 PM on Thursday, November 21, 1963. He said he felt this was significant only if Lee Harvey Oswald was not at work this afternoon and was possibly "practicing" firing his rifle. He noted that the Oswald family according to reports reside in Irving, Texas.

Mr. Becker described the area from which the shot came as wooded but "spotty," in that there are also some homes in the area and it is still within the city limits of Irving, Texas.

He said he looked in the direction of the shot but saw nobody.

Mr. Becker advised that he arrived in Fort Worth, Texas about 8:00 AM on Thursday, November 21, 1963 for a meeting with the U.S. Corps of Engineers to be held November 22, 1963. He said he had worked on the engineering aspects of the Iowa Street underpass and out of curiosity had taken a bus to that area to inspect the drainage aspects. He said he had registered at the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth, Texas, Room 910 on November 21, 1963 and checked out about 6:40 AM on November 22, 1963 when he went to the Blackstone Hotel in Fort Worth for the meeting with the US Corps of Engineers. He noted that President Kennedy had also stayed at the Fort Worth Hotel.

Mr Becker stated that he left Ft Worth, Texas for Chicago, Illinois on Rock Island Train Number 18 which left Fort Worth at 10:03 PM, on November 22, 1963.

Interview by SA Richard G. Meyers - 11/29/63

http://www.maryferre...48&relPageId=71

Below is just an excerpt, but is one of the many stories regarding the US Army Corp of Engineers prior to and after the JFK assassination. I found no references to a meeting on November 22, 1963 whatsoever. I know someone will probably think

"maybe it was cancelled because of the assassination," if so, then Mr Becker misspoke because he refers to leaving Dallas

after the meeting was held.

Army Engineers Hold Workshop at Fort Worth;

Dallas Morning News; 12-04-1963

The Southwestern division of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers,

headquartered in Dallas, is holding a five-day supervisory workshop

at Town Hall in the Seminary South Shopping Center in Fort Worth.......

.......Attending from Dallas are Richard H Berryhill, Herbert W Claybaugh,

Kenneth M. Coen, Joe J Coulter, Wayne M. Cowan, Robert L. Harvey

Charles A. Long, Samuel Morton, Arthur G. Rudkin and Thomas C. Walton

“Never did he become interested in searching for those who assassinated the President, nor did I. We made a pact not to discuss the act or its details.”

- Gladys Swope Cason wife of Jack Cason, President of the TSBD on November 22, 1963.

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I don't want to get off track but there is another person, who deserves checking into, I believe anyone can understand my curiosity, when you take into account that this document is the only reference whatsoever, I have been able to find to this person, highly unusual when you consider the duplication of JFK assassination documents as well as the fact that I have been doing a lot of checking, and can find no corroboration of any Corp of Engineers meeting in Fort Worth on the day of the assassination.

It also is interesting that Blue Island, Illinois is in Cook County, a place that is not exactly unheard of in the JFK saga. I believe Mr. G. W. Becker was with the Rock Island Railroad, but I do not believe there was a meeting of the U.S. Corp of Engineers on November 22, 1963, and it is the US Army Corp of Engineers, is there a reticence to use the word Army?

[...edit...]

The US Army Corps of Engineers as villain became part of New Orleans culture since the disaster during Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Prior to that they were generally highly regarded by local lay persons. Multiple studies have shown that the flooding disaster which inundated the majority of greater New Orleans in 2005 was not the result of the hurricane per se but rather 1)A very poorly designed canal (the Mississippi River Gulf-Outlet Canal or "MRGO") channeling huge storm surge from the deep water of the Gulf of Mexico directly into the heart of the city 2) A very poorly designed and constructed system of levees and floodwalls, which rather than buffering surge actually funneled in, and in many places was constructed so poorly that it collapsed catastrophically at water levels far below its supposed design limits. Both were specific responsibility of the Corps. As a Federal agency, the Corps is immune to lawsuit for negligence. Locals sometimes now refer to it as the "Corpse of Engineers" in reference to the deaths caused. Local resident comedian Harry Shearer has put together an excellent documentary film on the topic, "The Big Uneasy", although he is struggling with distribution. http://www.thebiguneasy.com/

The same Corps of course has been charged with fixing the problem. Scandals continue, including installation of a series of drainage pumps of unreliable design and short lifespan made by a company with political connections (instead of a reliable low maintenance type with a proven track record in this area for more than a century); a local blogger "Fix the Pumps" documents at http://fixthepumps.blogspot.com/

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I don't want to get off track but there is another person, who deserves checking into, I believe anyone can understand my curiosity, when you take into account that this document is the only reference whatsoever, I have been able to find to this person, highly unusual when you consider the duplication of JFK assassination documents as well as the fact that I have been doing a lot of checking, and can find no corroboration of any Corp of Engineers meeting in Fort Worth on the day of the assassination.

It also is interesting that Blue Island, Illinois is in Cook County, a place that is not exactly unheard of in the JFK saga. I believe Mr. G. W. Becker was with the Rock Island Railroad, but I do not believe there was a meeting of the U.S. Corp of Engineers on November 22, 1963, and it is the US Army Corp of Engineers, is there a reticence to use the word Army?

page 67 G W Becker, Special Engineer for Drainage, Rock Island Line Railroad with offices in the La Salle Street Station, 2110 W. 120th Place, Blue Island, Illinois, advised telephonically he had heard what he believes was a rifle shot on 3:00 PM Thurs., Nov 21, 1963 along the Railroad tracks in Dallas, as he was "walking track" of the Rock Island Railroad about three quarters of a mile west of the Rock Island depot in Irving, Texas. He said he was just west of the underpass at Iowa Street underpass and the shot appeared to come from a point about a block away to the north. He stated this occurred about 3:00 PM on Thursday, November 21, 1963. He said he felt this was significant only if Lee Harvey Oswald was not at work this afternoon and was possibly "practicing" firing his rifle. He noted that the Oswald family according to reports reside in Irving, Texas.

Mr. Becker described the area from which the shot came as wooded but "spotty," in that there are also some homes in the area and it is still within the city limits of Irving, Texas.

He said he looked in the direction of the shot but saw nobody.

Mr. Becker advised that he arrived in Fort Worth, Texas about 8:00 AM on Thursday, November 21, 1963 for a meeting with the U.S. Corps of Engineers to be held November 22, 1963. He said he had worked on the engineering aspects of the Iowa Street underpass and out of curiosity had taken a bus to that area to inspect the drainage aspects. He said he had registered at the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth, Texas, Room 910 on November 21, 1963 and checked out about 6:40 AM on November 22, 1963 when he went to the Blackstone Hotel in Fort Worth for the meeting with the US Corps of Engineers. He noted that President Kennedy had also stayed at the Fort Worth Hotel.

Mr Becker stated that he left Ft Worth, Texas for Chicago, Illinois on Rock Island Train Number 18 which left Fort Worth at 10:03 PM, on November 22, 1963.

Interview by SA Richard G. Meyers - 11/29/63

http://www.maryferre...48&relPageId=71

Below is just an excerpt, but is one of the many stories regarding the US Army Corp of Engineers prior to and after the JFK assassination. I found no references to a meeting on November 22, 1963 whatsoever. I know someone will probably think

"maybe it was cancelled because of the assassination," if so, then Mr Becker misspoke because he refers to leaving Dallas

after the meeting was held.

Army Engineers Hold Workshop at Fort Worth;

Dallas Morning News; 12-04-1963

The Southwestern division of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers,

headquartered in Dallas, is holding a five-day supervisory workshop

at Town Hall in the Seminary South Shopping Center in Fort Worth.......

.......Attending from Dallas are Richard H Berryhill, Herbert W Claybaugh,

Kenneth M. Coen, Joe J Coulter, Wayne M. Cowan, Robert L. Harvey

Charles A. Long, Samuel Morton, Arthur G. Rudkin and Thomas C. Walton

“Never did he become interested in searching for those who assassinated the President, nor did I. We made a pact not to discuss the act or its details.”

- Gladys Swope Cason wife of Jack Cason, President of the TSBD on November 22, 1963.

Well the Army Corp of Engineers are part of the Army, aren't they?

And Robert, what else does Gladys Swope Cason have to say?

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I don't want to get off track but there is another person, who deserves checking into, I believe anyone can understand my curiosity, when you take into account that this document is the only reference whatsoever, I have been able to find to this person, highly unusual when you consider the duplication of JFK assassination documents as well as the fact that I have been doing a lot of checking, and can find no corroboration of any Corp of Engineers meeting in Fort Worth on the day of the assassination.

It also is interesting that Blue Island, Illinois is in Cook County, a place that is not exactly unheard of in the JFK saga. I believe Mr. G. W. Becker was with the Rock Island Railroad, but I do not believe there was a meeting of the U.S. Corp of Engineers on November 22, 1963, and it is the US Army Corp of Engineers, is there a reticence to use the word Army?

page 67 G W Becker, Special Engineer for Drainage, Rock Island Line Railroad with offices in the La Salle Street Station, 2110 W. 120th Place, Blue Island, Illinois, advised telephonically he had heard what he believes was a rifle shot on 3:00 PM Thurs., Nov 21, 1963 along the Railroad tracks in Dallas, as he was "walking track" of the Rock Island Railroad about three quarters of a mile west of the Rock Island depot in Irving, Texas. He said he was just west of the underpass at Iowa Street underpass and the shot appeared to come from a point about a block away to the north. He stated this occurred about 3:00 PM on Thursday, November 21, 1963. He said he felt this was significant only if Lee Harvey Oswald was not at work this afternoon and was possibly "practicing" firing his rifle. He noted that the Oswald family according to reports reside in Irving, Texas.

Mr. Becker described the area from which the shot came as wooded but "spotty," in that there are also some homes in the area and it is still within the city limits of Irving, Texas.

He said he looked in the direction of the shot but saw nobody.

Mr. Becker advised that he arrived in Fort Worth, Texas about 8:00 AM on Thursday, November 21, 1963 for a meeting with the U.S. Corps of Engineers to be held November 22, 1963. He said he had worked on the engineering aspects of the Iowa Street underpass and out of curiosity had taken a bus to that area to inspect the drainage aspects. He said he had registered at the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth, Texas, Room 910 on November 21, 1963 and checked out about 6:40 AM on November 22, 1963 when he went to the Blackstone Hotel in Fort Worth for the meeting with the US Corps of Engineers. He noted that President Kennedy had also stayed at the Fort Worth Hotel.

Mr Becker stated that he left Ft Worth, Texas for Chicago, Illinois on Rock Island Train Number 18 which left Fort Worth at 10:03 PM, on November 22, 1963.

Interview by SA Richard G. Meyers - 11/29/63

http://www.maryferre...48&relPageId=71

Below is just an excerpt, but is one of the many stories regarding the US Army Corp of Engineers prior to and after the JFK assassination. I found no references to a meeting on November 22, 1963 whatsoever. I know someone will probably think

"maybe it was cancelled because of the assassination," if so, then Mr Becker misspoke because he refers to leaving Dallas

after the meeting was held.

Army Engineers Hold Workshop at Fort Worth;

Dallas Morning News; 12-04-1963

The Southwestern division of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers,

headquartered in Dallas, is holding a five-day supervisory workshop

at Town Hall in the Seminary South Shopping Center in Fort Worth.......

.......Attending from Dallas are Richard H Berryhill, Herbert W Claybaugh,

Kenneth M. Coen, Joe J Coulter, Wayne M. Cowan, Robert L. Harvey

Charles A. Long, Samuel Morton, Arthur G. Rudkin and Thomas C. Walton

"Never did he become interested in searching for those who assassinated the President, nor did I. We made a pact not to discuss the act or its details."

- Gladys Swope Cason wife of Jack Cason, President of the TSBD on November 22, 1963.

Well the Army Corp of Engineers are part of the Army, aren't they?

And Robert, what else does Gladys Swope Cason have to say?

Unfortunately, the Cason book cannot be summarized in just a few sentences.

But to be more to the point, there are some things I am checking into which preclude

me from addressing your question, at this time.......

I will say that there was a gentleman named Harry Hamilton who helped

Jack Cason run the Book Depository circa the Pearl Harbor era, while Jack was

stationed at Mineral Wells, Hamilton was from Scotland, [or Ireland depending

on which account is correct see below] and was too

old for World War II.......I should mention according to one of William

Weston's articles, the Book Depository was not even at 411 Elm St.

then according to Weston, at any rate....there are some cryptic passages

in the book where Glady's is wondering how Jack can be away from work for so long......

Hamilton died in 1956 in Guatemala.......That would have been two years after Arbenz

and the coup.

Then there are the factoids below

From MFF Bio Section

CARLTON, ROSS L.

Sources: CD 301 (58)

Mary's Comments: Dallas attorney. Exec. Vice-Pres. Lone Star School Book Depository,

4640 Harry Hines Blvd. (214) 631-7160. DOB: 6/14/11. Wife: Elizabeth. A "friend"

reported him because he was anti-Kennedy, a segregationalist. Associate of reactionary

groups in Dallas. Has extensive gun collection. Thought to have a connection with TSBD.

Robert: There was a connection with the TSBD see below

Grieved Turn Drab Building into Dallas Shrine to JFK;

Dallas Morning News; 11-24-1963;

"The Texas School Book Depository is privately owned by

Jack C Cason and O.V. Truly. It is a distribution center

for books bought by the State of Texas from national publishers.

All books bought by the state are distributed through this

center and another Dallas firm, the Lone Star Depository

located on Harry Hines."

Mrs. Nancy Crow was the general manager of the Lone Star Book Depository

4644 Harry Hines Boulevard

at the time of the interview June 1964, link below

http://www.maryferre...bsPageId=724344

I page 68, One Life

Gladys Swope Cason

Harry, the Vice-President hailed from Scotland. A dear of a man,

Harry had to be then in his sixties. He had no children but many nephews in Scotland

that he doted on as did his wife, Helen. Every time I ever saw him in a period of more

than thirty years, Harry always was wearing a beautifully cut three-piece suit with

watch chain. Smaller than Jack, he wore a grey mustache like a Scotsman and used

wire-rim spectacles to check the accounts. He also helped Jack manage the publishers'

representatives, the warehouse crew, and the thirty-one office workers who formed the backbone of the business.

http://thehardyparty...ml/fam16535.htm

More Information:

About Harry W. Hamilton:

Found in 1920 Census, TX, Dallas Co., Dallas, Pct. 22, ED 42.

Name: Harry Hamilton

Home in 1920: Dallas Precinct 22, Dallas, Texas

Age: 39 years

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881

Birthplace: Ireland

Relation to Head of House: Nephew

Father's Birth Place: Ireland

Mother's Birth Place: Ireland

Marital Status: Single

Race: White

Sex: Male

Year of Immigration: 1909

Able to read: Yes

Able to Write: Yes

Image: 930

Household Members: Name Age

John Hamilton 65

Mildred Hamilton 40

Hattie French 65

Harry Hamilton 39 (Occupation: Manager, book store)

..................................................................

School Book Depository Chartered for Dallas;

Dallas Morning News; 09-10-1927;

Incorporators are Victor H. Perry, J. W. Smith,

H. W. Hamilton, Altha Wilkerson and Maude Grissom all of Dallas.

State Superintendent of Public Instruction S.M.N. Marrs said this

was the same Depository owned by the late Hugh Perry.

The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 6

page 23, The Transplantation of the Texas School Book Depository, by William Weston

.......old Sexton building (John Sexton Company grocery store chain,) then "the previous address

for the company was the Dal-Tex Building."........Weston says "warehouse company employees

were paid in cash, including Oswald"

January 1, 1956

Death Claims H W Hamilton in Guatemala

obit date (Jan 7, 1956)

HAMILTON

Harry W., 4433 Beverly, passed away, Quirigua, Guatemala

survived by wife Mrs. Helen W. Hamilton; Dallas, brother

William Hamilton. Dublin, Ireland

arrangements pending

WEILAND-MERRITT TE-8141

With all of this focus on the Texas School Book Depository, so associated with Oswald's guilt,

it is important to at least point out that there were other elements to this whole scenario:

On November 25, 1963, Michael Schafer aka Mike Shean, 2874 Orchard Ave., Grand Junction, Colorado, announcer for radio station KWSL, Grand Junction, Colorado advised he formerly worked for Radio Station KFUN Las Vegas, New Mexico. He said that on several occasions during July and August 1963 he had heard comments at Las Vegas Radio Station through Robert Douglas and James O. Brasher, fellow employees that some leading Texas politicians identity not known had reported “four men were planning to kill the President this fall.”

http://www.maryferre...49&relPageId=20

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