Oswald going to work

[Ron Ecker]

I received a question via email that I can't readily answer, so I'll pose the question here. Oswald rode to and from his job at the TSBD with Wesley Frazier on Fridays and Mondays, to spend weekends in Irving. How did he get to work on the other days of the week?

[David Von Pein]

I believe he took a bus, Ron.

There was a bus stop right outside his front door at the Beckley roominghouse. And I think there was also a bus stop on the corner of Elm & Houston outside the TSBD front door too. So Lee wouldn't have even needed to walk more than a few steps to get to a bus stop at either location.

And the "bus stop" thing is something I've brought up in the past too. Because if there was a bus stop right there at Elm & Houston Streets, then why (if he wasn't "on the run") would he have walked several blocks east of the TSBD on Nov. 22 just to catch his bus? Why not just wait at the Elm & Houston corner?

That was just one of the unusual things that LHO did on both Nov. 21 and Nov. 22, 1963.

Edited July 18, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Ron Ecker]

Thanks.

[Greg Parker]

Ron, this is a question I have raised a number of times.

The official story - as DVP was quick to point to - is that he took the bus.

Now maybe DVP can point to the interviews with all the fellow commuters and bus drivers that the authorities no doubt easily tracked down. After all, who knows what info that would yield? Maybe he was in the habit of reading Das Kapital on the bus? Maybe he sat up the back murmmering vague threats against authority figures?

While he is at it, maybe DVP can also show where those daily fares are accounted for in all the work done on Oz's finances?

Or maybe the story is a crock because he never lived at that address. Ever.

[David Von Pein]

Maybe DVP can also show where those daily fares are accounted for in all the work done on Oz's finances?

I think it's logical to conclude that the whopping total of approximately $1.60 per week for LHO's bus fares would be included in the monthly category the WC reserved for "Estimated cost of food, clothing, and incidental expenses"....

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0385a.htm

Yes, the WC did include a separate entry for the "$1.23" that Oswald spent on bus and taxi fares on 11/22/63, but the meager total that Lee spent on the bus for the rest of the month could easily have been covered by the $75.00 that the WC allowed in the "Food & Incidental Expenses" category.

Or maybe the story is a crock because he never lived at that address. Ever.

Okay, Greg. Tell me, then, why the housekeeper at 1026 North Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff, Earlene Roberts, said all of these things about Lee Oswald (aka "O.H. Lee") in the 1964 CBS-TV interview below? Among other things, you don't think she actually saw the real Lee H. Oswald hurriedly enter his room on Nov. 22nd at all?

And then there's an interview on 11/23/63 with the landlady of the Beckley roominghouse, Gladys Johnson. Was she a l-i-a-r too, Greg? Or was she also fooled by some "Oswald double" posing as "O.H. Lee"?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngYZi47eURI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5KzxaZcc5w

Edited July 19, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Greg Parker]

I would it's logical to conclude that the whopping total of approximately $1.00 per week for LHO's bus fares would be included in the monthly category the WC reserved for "Estimated cost of food, clothing, and incidental expenses"....

The total amount has no bearing. There are a number of definitions of "incidental expenses" - none of which include REGULAR expenses. What would fit such a definition is the ALLEGED bus and cab fare of Nov 22, since he did not use the bus REGULARLY on Friday and taxis, rarely, if ever.

Okay, Greg. Tell me, then, why the housekeeper at 1026 North Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff, Earlene Roberts, said all of these things about Lee Oswald (aka "O.H. Lee") in the 1964 CBS-TV interview below? Among other things, you don't think she actually saw the real Lee H. Oswald hurriedly enter his room on Nov. 22nd at all?

If your case that he lived at that address rests on Earlene Roberts and Gladys Johnson, you have no case.

There was no "O.H. Lee" at that address. There was a "H Lee" who was in room "O" or "0".

Now kindly explain the absence of any attempt to track down those potentially important witnesses who commuted 4 days a week with Oswald. If you cannot explain it, admit you can't.

Edited July 18, 2015 by Greg Parker

[David Von Pein]

Please note, everyone, that Greg Parker just called Earlene Roberts and Gladys Johnson bald-faced liars when he said this...

"There was no "O.H. Lee" at that address."

Why did Roberts and Johnson lie through their teeth about their roomer, "O.H. Lee", Greg?

(Just make up some half-baked excuse if you can't explain it logically.)

[Greg Parker]

Please note, everyone, that Greg Parker just called Earlene Roberts and Gladys Johnson bald-faced liars when he said this...

"There was no "O.H. Lee" at that address."

Why did Roberts and Johnson lie through their teeth about their roomer, "O.H. Lee", Greg?

(Just make up some half-baked excuse if you can't explain it logically.)

Wasn't the dump recently put on the market for $500,000?

Hasn't been used as a museum for a long while as part of some grand Oswald tour?

Didn't Gladys ask to keep the scrap of paper she brought in to the WC so she could sell it?

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There is your motive.

Now about those commuters who would have been great witnesses?

[David Von Pein]

So, I guess we can assume that Gladys and Earlene got rich (quarter of a million each perhaps?) by lying about "O.H. Lee". Right, Greg?

And what about the cops who searched Oswald's room and gathered up OSWALD'S personal belongings?

Did Earlene and Gladys "plant" Oswald's belongings in a room he never actually rented?

You're a riot, Greg.

(And I'd bet my next Langley check that you don't believe Oswald rented a room from Bledsoe either. Do you?)

Edited July 18, 2015 by David Von Pein

[David Von Pein]

And, Greg, what about the phone number WH 3-8993 that was in Ruth Paine's address book (CE402), which was the number of the Beckley roominghouse? That was a number given to Ruth by Lee Oswald himself. And yet he never was there at all? ....

RUTH PAINE -- "I said, "Is Lee Oswald there?" He said, "There is no Lee Oswald living here." As best as I can recall. This is the substance of what he said. I said, "Is this a rooming house?" He said "Yes." I said, "Is this WH 3-8993?" And he said "Yes." I thanked him and hung up."

CE402:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0050b.htm

Edited July 18, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Greg Parker]

So, I guess we can assume that Gladys and Earlene got rich (quarter of a million each perhaps?) by lying about "O.H. Lee". Right, Greg?

And what about the cops who searched Oswald's room and gathered up OSWALD'S personal belongings?

Did Earlene and Glays "plant" Oswald's belongings in a room he never actually rented?

You're a riot, Greg.

(And I'd bet my next Langley check that you don't believe Oswald rented a room from Bledsoe either. Do you?)

Responding with questions instead of answers is one of your little ploys when you are in trouble maneuvering out of a corner.

Play fair and be responsive to my questions before you demand any from me.

Why were those commuters not tracked down?

Why was the question of transport from N. Beckley avoided like the plague?

Why were the costs not accounted for?

Why do you avoid the issue of H Lee living there?

[Greg Parker]

And, Greg, what about the phone number WH 3-8993 that was in Ruth Paine's address book (CE402), which was the number of the Beckley roominghouse? That was a number given to Ruth by Lee Oswald himself. And yet he never was there at all? ....

RUTH PAINE -- "I said, "Is Lee Oswald there?" He said, "There is no Lee Oswald living here." As best as I can recall. This is the substance of what he said. I said, "Is this a rooming house?" He said "Yes." I said, "Is this WH 3-8993?" And he said "Yes." I thanked him and hung up."

CE402:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0050b.htm

Ah, David.

So phone numbers can't be inserted any time? Or maybe she knew someone else living there?

What sort of idiot gives his wife a contact phone number for when she goes into labor and then neglects to tell her, but when you ring, you need to ask for OH Lee?

Why does he live at Bledsoe's under his real name but then immediately start using an alias at his next address and then he doesn't even give it to his pregnant wife, making it impossible to contact him?

You are not stupid. You can see the multitude of issues. If you gave a rats patootie about the facts, you'd admit it. The whole thing about that address stinks. That you won't admit it, but will persist in avoiding the issues raised while deflecting with polemical questions, shows you live by an agenda, not any need to establish facts.

[David Von Pein]

Why were those commuters not tracked down?

No idea. Nor do I care in the slightest. It's irrelevant. This type of peripheral crap only matters to rabid CTers like Greg Parker.

Why was the question of transport from N. Beckley avoided like the plague?

No idea what you're talking about. But, again, it's chaff. Meaningless. Plus: WHY would anybody want to pretend Oswald lived in a roominghouse if he didn't? (Oh, yes, to get rich after the assassination. Sorry. I forgot.)

Why were the costs not accounted for?

They were. In "Incidentals". The paltry fare would only be about $1.60 or so per week (8 individual bus trips to and from work). Oswald might have been able to find that much in the seat cushions in the Beckley living room while watching television.

Why do you avoid the issue of H Lee living there?

Who's avoiding it? Big deal. An "H. Lee" lived there. Okay. But so did an "O.H. Lee" and that Mr. Lee was Lee H. Oswald.

Edited July 18, 2015 by David Von Pein

[David Von Pein]

Now all you have to do, Greg, is answer this question:

WHY WAS THIS ROOMINGHOUSE CHARADE EVEN NEEDED?

Why?

Edited July 18, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Greg Parker]

Why were those commuters not tracked down?

No idea. Nor do I care in the slightest. It's irrelevant. This type of peripheral crap only matters to rabid CTers like Greg Parker.

Why was the question of transport from N. Beckley avoided like the plague?

No idea what you're talking about. But, again, it's chaff. Meaningless. Plus: WHY would anybody want to pretend Oswald lived in a roominghouse if he didn't? (Oh, yes, to get rich after the assassination. Sorry. I forgot.)

Why were the costs not accounted for?

They were. In "Incidentals". The freakin' fare was probably only 92 cents a week (0.23 x 4 days, not counting most Mondays when Lee rode to work for free with Buell). The 0.23 is based on what LHO paid on Nov. 22 for a bus ticket and/or transfer ticket. So maybe it was actually only 20 cents. I'm not sure. But it would be less than $1 for one week. Oswald could have found that much in the seat cushions in the Beckley living room while watching television.

Why do you avoid the issue of H Lee living there?

Who's avoiding it? Big deal. An "H. Lee" lived there. Okay. But so did an "O.H. Lee" and that Mr. Lee was Lee H. Oswald.

I see you've moved to ploy number 2. When your deflecting questions get called what they are, you move on to pretending the questions you have been assiduously avoiding answering are pointless, irrelevant etc.

Only you would call potential witnesses who might give investigators vital information pertaining to Oswald's motive, mental state etc as being so unimportant you can dismiss them with "who cares?"

No need to take this any further. You deal yourself out as having any ethics, let alone regard for facts.