Proof of Motorcade Stopping?

[Vince Palamara]

Same here! How about this crock of [expletive deleted LOL]: some of the Manchester interview transcripts will not be available until...

2067...

!!!

[Robert Prudhomme]

2067?? No kidding? Man, he must have been privy to a few hot items.

[Vince Palamara]

I DID receive the complete transcripts of Ken O'Donnell's interviews with Manchester- the amateur "historian" from the History Channel, Steve Gilion or whatever his name is, has a lot of explaining to do- O'Donnell mentions NADA about any JFK restrictions for security of any kind whatsoever, yet he refers to this transcript in his book as "proof" that he did! What's more, Gerald Blaine was definitely interviewed by Manchester- not only did ole Blaine himself matter-of-factly admit this to me in 2005, a specific interview is sourced in Manchester's book AND Blaine is also thanked in Manchester's 1983 JFK book...yet the transcript for Blaine's interview is now MISSING from Wesleyan University (!!) [ this is all in my book]. Blaine also invented allegedly contemporaneous handwritten notes he "graciously" (ahem) donated to the Archives. The problem? There are several slip-ups in the TIMING of what he writes, among several other factors, that prove they were NOT written circa 11/22/63 or earlier (example: "the ordeal we were to go through in the next few months was a sad one"- oops!). There are so many problems with Blaine's book, written because of my research- he invented whole cloth a meeting that never took place on 11/25/63- an agent I interviewed said it is "horse [beep]" that there even was a meeting (which I already knew, but it is nice to have corroboration). The sheeple are so gullible- the old drunk Hill is writing another book that the stupid people will lap up, along with a movie, as well (about Jackie- the Kennedy Detail movie was scrapped).

Edited January 18, 2015 by Vince Palamara

[Robert Mady]

Robert: COUCH and JACKSON are unreliable witnesses, abundant proof has already been posted in other threads.

I agree with Pat on this, there is no doubt the motorcade came to a halt, there is only testimonial evidence the limo came to a momentary halt.

I believe GREER when he emphatically claimed the limo never came to a complete halt, what he avoided saying is that he dramatically slowed down after JC laid down on top of NELLIE, evidence was posted illustrating that as C. HILL started moving to the limo around Z-300, GREER slowed down to allow HILL to transfer to the limo, evidenced by MC escorts overtaking the limo around Z-300. This is when GREER slowed down. <- GREER slows the limo just prior to the fatal head shot...HILL moving to the limo is the reason, disturbance in the back seats and JC laying down is the cause.

GREER maintained a slow pace until HILL reached the limo, GREER then floored it, we can see HILL almost loosing his grip and then struggling to board the limo as well as JACKIE loosing her balance on the trunk of the limo as the limo lurched forward.

The remainder of the motorcade came to a halt as the cars backed up behind the Queen Mary which had come to a momentary complete halt along with the MC escort then focused on the monument area where the three rifle shots had come from. This is when the VP SSA reacted and ran from the FU car or YOUNGBLOOD jumping on top of LBJ, this is why it can not be seen in A6, because these events had not yet taken place before Z-255, they took place after Z-313.

We know frames were removed from the Z-film around Z-313 and afterwards based on the impossible movements by the CONNALLYS from laying one on top of the other in prone positions to sitting faced forward in less than 1/2 of a second. There had to have been a few seconds of frames removed.

This also accounts for the three shots in 3 to 3-1/2 seconds which many witnesses reported as the time span for the three rifle shots.

Rifle shot 1 at Z-313

(2 or 3 seconds of frames removed)

Rifle shot 2 at Z-325

Rifle shot 3 following Z-325

Edited January 19, 2015 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

GREER did not choose the speed at which to travel down Elm, the car in front of the limo did.

Remember this was a parade or motorcade, they had to allow a slow pace until the motorcade which included buses wove its way around all of the corners before accelerating onto the freeway, otherwise the motorcade would have been strung out.

GREER was following at a 10-12 mph pace, the pace of the lead car traveling down Elm.

GREER was not part of the conspiracy, although GREER became part of the cover-up.

Edited January 19, 2015 by Robert Mady

[Ray Mitcham]

Sandra Styles also said that the Presidential limo stopped. \

at 32 seconds mark.

[Pat Speer]

I DID receive the complete transcripts of Ken O'Donnell's interviews with Manchester- the amateur "historian" from the History Channel, Steve Gilion or whatever his name is, has a lot of explaining to do- O'Donnell mentions NADA about any JFK restrictions for security of any kind whatsoever, yet he refers to this transcript in his book as "proof" that he did! What's more, Gerald Blaine was definitely interviewed by Manchester- not only did ole Blaine himself matter-of-factly admit this to me in 2005, a specific interview is sourced in Manchester's book AND Blaine is also thanked in Manchester's 1983 JFK book...yet the transcript for Blaine's interview is now MISSING from Wesleyan University (!!) [ this is all in my book]. Blaine also invented allegedly contemporaneous handwritten notes he "graciously" (ahem) donated to the Archives. The problem? There are several slip-ups in the TIMING of what he writes, among several other factors, that prove they were NOT written circa 11/22/63 or earlier (example: "the ordeal we were to go through in the next few months was a sad one"- oops!). There are so many problems with Blaine's book, written because of my research- he invented whole cloth a meeting that never took place on 11/25/63- an agent I interviewed said it is "horse [beep]" that there even was a meeting (which I already knew, but it is nice to have corroboration). The sheeple are so gullible- the old drunk Hill is writing another book that the stupid people will lap up, along with a movie, as well (about Jackie- the Kennedy Detail movie was scrapped).

My understanding is that Wesleyan has released the notes to some of Manchester's interviews, but has withheld the notes to interviews which focused on the Kennedy family until Caroline has passed. This was supposedly done at Jackie's request, as she didn't want her children to have to deal with the fall-out over some of what was said. Presumably, she talked some smack about LBJ. Presumably, she also talked turkey about her husband's affairs. Members of the Kennedy detail were apparently also asked about the family. So their interviews are also withheld.

P.S. If you have the O'Donnell interview in digital form, I would sure appreciate your sending it my way. In chapter 21, I compare the various stories about the swearing-in and the plane flight home, and have come to conclude that Gillon missed a lot in his book, as he was far too deferential to Lyndon Johnson. I'd like to add O'Donnell's comments to Manchester to the chapter.

[Jon G. Tidd]

Pat Speer,

Your post #22 reinforces my belief that a key element in the assassination was the fact that neither Jackie nor RFK had any interest in an investigation that would pry into JFK's personal life; i.e., any honest-to-God investigation. Too much dirt.

JFK's affairs, hidden as they had to be, made him vulnerable. Not just to J. Edgar Hoover but also to any plotter who sought to kill him and set up a patsy whose life and alleged motives required no digging into JFK's personal life on the part of post-assassination investigators.

[Don Jeffries]

Jon,

The inference that RFK, or Jackie, or the Kennedy family in general, somehow limited the investigation into JFK's death has been trotted out by the mainstream media and establishment historians from them moment Judith Campbell Exner burst upon the scene.

I delve into the entire "blame the Kennedys" campaign in my book. Despite the fact that Harold Weisberg unearthed the official autopsy document which showed that RFK, acting for the family, requested no limitations, people continue to intimate that somehow the Kennedy family sensibilities are responsible for the woefully inadequate autopsy, the missing brain, and even the non-investigation itself.

The last people who should be blamed for the shameful "investigation" into the death of JFK are the Kennedys.

[Jon G. Tidd]

Don,

I defer to your knowledge of any instructions RFK may have given to the autopsy team.

Having lived through the times as a college student I've been stuck by how RFK adhered to the Warren Report; by how his agent Walter Sheridan worked to undermine the Garrison investigation; and by how Jackie chose safety for herself and her children over the pursuit of truth. I've always given Jackie a pass, FWIW. RFK, not so.

[Robert Mady]

Talk about JFK and affairs is non-sense, assuming he took after his father, he would have been married to the mob, evidence shows JFK and RFK both attempted to end the mafia corruption.

I would like to see one shred of proof JFK had an affair outside of marriage. To continue to spread this myth is aiding CIA lies to diminish President Kennedy's legacy.

I have asked this forum and JFK assassination forum for one piece of credible evidence concerning President Kennedy's infidelity and have received none.

With HOOVER collecting dirt everywhere he could, JFK would have to have been an uncontrollable sex addict to fall victim to HOOVER black mail.

Please stop perpetuating myths unless you can back them up with credible and compelling evidence other than some tell all book sponsored by the CIA or some money grabbing opportunist.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Robert Mady

[Don Jeffries]

Jon,

Have you read Brothers by David Talbot? He explains how RFK, while publicly endorsing the Warren Report, was a serious skeptic behind the scenes. Of course, recently RFK, Jr. acknowledged this on The Charlie Rose Show. The Kennedy family has chosen this curious strategy, which I've often criticized on these forums. I reveal in my book how JFK, Jr. was keenly interested in his father's assassination, but none of this was ever known to the public.

Robert,

I wouldn't go so far as to say that JFK never was unfaithful to his wife, but certainly he couldn't have been the non-stop sex maniac establishment historians now depict him as. He literally wouldn't have had time to even halfheartedly do his job. And how does all that continuous sexual activity jibe with the other portrait of him; as a sickly near-death drug addict, something the Kennedy family was also supposedly covering up?

Considering all the inaccuracies that have been promulgated by the mainstream media and establishment historians concerning his assassination, it is foolish to accept anything they say about the life of John F. Kennedy.

[Pat Speer]

Talk about JFK and affairs is non-sense, assuming he took after his father, he would have been married to the mob, evidence shows JFK and RFK both attempted to end the mafia corruption.

I would like to see one shred of proof JFK had an affair outside of marriage. To continue to spread this myth is aiding CIA lies to diminish President Kennedy's legacy.

I have asked this forum and JFK assassination forum for one piece of credible evidence concerning President Kennedy's infidelity and have received none.

With HOOVER collecting dirt everywhere he could, JFK would have to have been an uncontrollable sex addict to fall victim to HOOVER black mail.

Please stop perpetuating myths unless you can back them up with credible and compelling evidence other than some tell all book sponsored by the CIA or some money grabbing opportunist.

I don't buy your premise--that only sex addicts have affairs. Where do you get this from?

If you actually do the digging, you'll find that Hoover was collecting dirt on Kennedy, and that Kennedy almost certainly had a few affairs. The affair for which there is the most evidence, should you be interested, is the affair with Judy Campbell. She made numerous phone calls to the White House, and he called her back. The FBI staked out her house, and observed the sons of the chief security officer for General Dynamics--the recipient of a highly questionable government contract--break-in to her house, apparently looking for dirt linking Campbell to Kennedy. Even stranger, one of these sons was the former son-in-law of Governor Connally, who only became "former" when his wife (Connally's daughter) committed suicide.

There's also this: Campbell was simultaneously having an affair with Sam Giancana.

As I recall, the story goes like this: Hoover got the dirt on Kennedy, and showed it to his "boss", RFK, who turned around told his brother to knock it off. And he did.

[Robert Mady]

Pat, please present evidence that KENNEDY had an affair with Judy Campbell Exner.

Phone calls to the White House are hardly evidence of an affair.

I don't care to waste my time to do digging for dirt, but I do expect those that present mythological Kennedy affairs to be fact to be capable of presenting compelling evidence to support their claims.

I don't buy your premise--that only sex addicts have affairs. Where do you get this from?

my point is that I don't believe KENNEDY would have risked his integrity, his marriage and his political career for sex knowing that HOOVER and the mob were known for set-ups and black mail.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Robert Mady

[Robert Mady]

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

At about 1:12 Exner is discussed, proposed that JFK and RFK hoodwinked the Mafia into believing that JFK was to be their puppet in the White House, Exner was the go between until she was discarded by JFK when he no longer needed the pretense of cooperating with the Mafia. JFK never had an affair with Exner.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Robert Mady