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    Am interested in who killed Kennedy. Am not interested in ballistics, z films, fake photos, xrays, etc. Am not interested in who pulled the triggers, etc. For now assume the ZR Rifle program of the american cia Executive Action group was the killing mechanism.

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  1. Just wondering if anyone knows if Evica continued his theory of an elitist killing of the President, or if his Perfect Cover was part of an ongoing chapter of the assassination. Also, does anyone know if this paper has been critiqued anywhere at all on the internet.
  2. John, I agree that a good discussion of Allen Dulles and his possible involvement in the Kennedy assassination is necessary. In fact, I think that it's been long overdue, say like about forty-three and a half years. In fact, it's more than a curiosity that no acceptable "theory" of the assassination has been forwarded, with the exception of Donald Gibson's work, which begins with the question "What the Hell are Allen Dulles and John J McCloy doing on a Warren Commission, investigating the death of the President?" Most people can give the flippant answer of the identity of Allen Dulles, but no one seems to have asked, "Who the Hell is John J McCloy?" Granted that it would have been much harder to find pertinent information on this dynamic duo way back in pre-historic 1964, but why wasn't this done? A fairly obvious reason is that the early researchers/writers on the assassination had skillfully lead the herd into many other passages in the maze. Another reason may have been the ESCHEW SPECULATION blinking sign that may have mesmerized the herd. For it seems now that if anybody had looked into the lives of these two way back then, they would have found out some amazing things. For example, they were both VIP's in the organization The Council on Foreign Relations, described by Jim Marrs and others as a secret society. People like sociologist George Michael Evica in his 1995 paper Perfect Cover, available at Rahn's website, seem to be beginning to think in terms of an elitist theory of the assassination, and both McCloy and Dulles were highly active tools of this organization. If people way back then didn't buy into the herd mentality, they might have read Morris Bealle's Guns of the Progressive Right, and these two "honorable" men and their organization might have been put under the microscope then. I kinda wonder what would have happened. So John Simkin, did you happen to notice the easy chit-chat, the mindless banter, that accompanied your initial post? I think this is the main reason the Kennedy assassination hasn't gotten very far. What do you think, John Simkin??
  3. Jack, I thought I had read somewhere that Dulles was in Dallas around the end of October, when he gave a presentation to some Dallas organization then. Might he not also visited LBJ at his ranch immediately following this? In other words, might there not have been multiple meetings? I would agree with your surmise that Dulles is the number one suspect, along with his longtime buddy and fellow Council on Foreign Relations VIP John J McCloy. I would also add to any short list the also-fired Bissell as one of the plotters/planners of the assassination. Anyone wanting to view a relationship chart could put McCloy's name in namebase.org and do a proximity search. There should be no surprise there, as both Dulles and McCloy were both longtime Rockefeller employees/agents. John K
  4. I think that somewhere along the line someone might bring up the idea that Prouty was a CIA asset. He certainly was not persona non grata within the Intelligence community. According to info found just googling around, Prouty received an MBA in, of all things, Banking, when he "retired" from the military, and was the banker for the retired CIA types. If his books are viewed from the perspective that he was a CIA asset, one can begin to wonder how much spin is attached to all the information he does present in his books and articles. At the very least, he continues the long-established trend that the Kennedy assassination was a very unfortunate, but isolated, incident in the drama of the Cold War. There are articulate people these days who view Kennedy's death as part of a greater conspiracy, the NWO conspiracy. Kennedy and his brother were obstructing the time-table laid down by the master-planners of the coming-to-fruition conspiracy of this larger conspiracy.
  5. Thanks for the post , Michael. Here is the first Amazon review: Michael Evica's "A Certain Arrogance" - Reviewed by RDM*, November 22, 2006 Reviewer: Robert D. Morningstar "Robert D. Morningstar" (New York City) - See all my reviews George Michael Evica's "A Certain Arrogance" A Book Review By Robert D. Morningstar November 22, 2006 Oh, how terrible and barbarous are those Islamic Fundamentalists! How devious and demonic appear those Mullahs and Ayatollahs shown to us on CNN and Fox News each day and night, manipulating and perverting the religious teachings of a "religion of peace" to indoctrinate young minds towards self-destruction, suicide bombing and terrorism. How perverse of them it is to use religion as an excuse to attain political and military objectives. And, Oh, how much more moral are we than they! We, the self-righteous, morally and ethically "superior" Westerners who eschew such debased use of religious dogma as propaganda and mass mind-control tactics in the indoctrination of our own citizens. "Not so!" might say Professor George Michael Evica, an outstanding and well-respected expert of JFK Assassination and US Intelligence History, through his riveting new book, entitled "A Certain Arrogance." In "A Certain Arrogance" (Iron Sights Press, 2006), Professor Evica reveals the history of the recruitment and indoctrination of US intelligence assets (spies/assassins) for OSS and CIA beginning during World War II when, through the work of OSS members Wild Bill Donovan and Allan Dulles, religious institutions, particularly, the Unitarian Church and the Quaker movement, were used as "fronts" in the selection and culling of candidates for espionage and special operations by America's intelligences services, OSS and CIA, domestically and abroad. From OSS World War II operations in Switzerland to the Congo of the 1950s and 1960s to Patrice Lamumba University in Moscow, Evica takes the reader on a meticulously documented tour of international intrigues involved in the training of intelligence operatives through their education and indoctrination at various institutions run by religious organizations. Foremost among these in American intelligence gathering and special operations were the Unitarian Church and the Quakers. However, Evica shows us that these are not the same Quakers we think of when we remember the warmth and quiet courage of Gary Cooper and "Friendly Persuasion." Professor Evica begins his chronicle of covert operations with the recruitment, education and indoctrination of Lee Harvey Oswald as began his peregrinations in 1958-59 toward his defection to Russia by passing through Switzerland's Albert Schweitzer College, where the CIA and FBI maintained contacts and operatives. Evica chronicles the historic role of the Rockefeller clan in funding "missionary activities throughout the world" for intelligence gathering and suppression of undesirable activist social movements beginning in the early 188o's to gather intelligence information in order to quash American Indian activities in the West. Evica states: "As early as 1883, the Rockefellers had `used [Christian] missionaries to gather intelligence about [Native American] insurgencies in the West or to discourage them.' In the United States and later throughout Central and South America, Family Rockefeller power was linked to Christian missionary work." The Rockefeller method of using Christian military activities in conjunction with financial power proved to be so successful in consolidating the Rockefeller Empire in the Americas that it was then employed in the Far East, in China, Korea, Philippines and Taiwan. By 1957, the Rockefellers had enlisted American Fundamentalist Revivalism as a national power base and put their support behind the evangelist, Billy Graham. Evica's book takes the reader back and forth across continents and oceans both to the Far East, Korea and Nationalist Taiwan, and to Europe, but always after short side trips, Evica returns the travels of Lee Harvey Oswald as he made his way inevitably to Dallas, Texas and the site of the JFK Assassination. Ruth and Michael Paine A Quaker & A Unitarian Lee Oswald's Dallas "Handlers" Throughout his meandering journey, Oswald repeated encounters operatives of Unitarian, Quaker and Southern Baptist Fundamentalist missionary activities. For example, Oswald's "friends" and hosts in Dallas, Michael and Ruth Paine, who took Marina Oswald under her wing, were associated with both the Unitarian and the Quaker missionary movements. Evica suggests (as this writer has often asserted) that Michael Paine, "a physical Oswald double," may have acted in that capacity to bring attention in a negative way to Oswald's activities by setting up "political confrontations" at Southern Methodist University on Sundays after attending as "a communicant at a `nearby' Unitarian Church." The religious intrigues surrounding the life and death of Lee Harvey Oswald, as detailed and documented by Evica in this masterful work, shed a disturbing light on the events in Dallas on November 22, 1963 and suggest an almost direct link to current history-altering and world-shaping national and international events in which our nation is today engaged (although "embroiled" may be a more appropriate term). The importance of this work is self-evident and shows that the JFK Assassination is as important today as on the day it happened, exactly 43 years ago today (I chose to compose on this day intentionally for this reason). George Michael Evica's close friend and research associate for many years, Charles Drago, writes in his eloquent introduction to "A Certain Arrogance": "A Certain Arrogance stands as Professor Evica's response to the unavoidable question: How do we define and effect justice in the wake of the world-historic tragedy in Dallas? Clearly he understands that, at this late date, being content merely to identify and, if possible, prosecute the conspiracy's facilitators and mechanics would amount to hollow acts of vengeance. Cleaning and closing the wound while leaving the disease to spread is simply not an option." Mr. Drago goes on to make analogy between the JFK Assassination and a cancer that continues to spread through our government and contaminates and taints our history. From this short and eloquent diagnosis, current events clearly demonstrate that "the cancer" which infected government policy and national politics that day in Dallas, November 22nd, 1963 still persists, continues to grow in virulence and has created an all too patient but sick nation. The question remains "What is the remedy that will rid us of the cancer but not kill the patient?" This reviewer's response is: The remedy that will heal the nation and stop the cancer from spreading any farther is achieving "Justice for JFK." I recommend "A Certain Arrogance" to all those good citizens who are interested in recovering our national security from the Machiavellian manipulation of misguided patriots and religious fanatics who at the core are not dissimilar in credo, strategy and tactics from those same terrorists from whom they pretend to defend us.
  6. John, Regarding C Douglas Dillon, I think the readers of your forum, especially Shanet Clark, deserve another view of this squeaky clean, distinguished patriot, a view not to be found in your bio of Dillon. Perhaps you could include it. This is from George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Tarpley and Chaitkin. "C Douglas Dillon was the boss of William H Draper, Jr in the Draper-Prescott Bush-Fritz Thyssen Nazi banking scheme of the 1930's and 40's. His father, Clarence Dillon, created the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (Thyssen's German Steel Trust) in 1926." In other words, Dillon was part of the Neo-Nazi crowd of the inner core of the Council on Foreign Relations. Strange that you missed this. For more info on Dillon, put his name and "nazi banking" in google. You could spend all night on this. John
  7. Shanet, I believe the Executive Action John Simkin was referring to was the CIA program for eliminating the leaders of foreign powers found undesirable by the u.s. government. Some people think it was this killing mechanism that was used to kill President Kennedy. Some people think that Dillon had to be in place as head of the Secret Service so that he could give the order to pull the body from Parkland Memorial Hospital, as an honest autopsy would be fatal to the plotters' lone gunman scenario. Some people think that a lot of the old boy OSS/CIA network found their way into the Council on Foreign Relations. These people also believe the CIA was just the strong arm of the CFR, doing its bidding as a kind of invisible government. Some people know Allen Dulles was a founding member of the CFR in 1921. He was in and out of government for forty years by the time Kennedy was elected president. Important people like Dillon and Lovett were important in government and the CFR. So where John Simkin uses the term CIA, I prefer the term CFR. If you don't know what I am writing about, maybe it's time you and a lot of other people need to find out. John
  8. John, Just a few comments and opinions. First, I'm not a photoanalyst, but Sturgis could never (IMHO) have been one of the tramps. He has a distinctive, fleshy nose which in no way resembles the nose of the Latin-appearing tramp. He may have been the communications person in this group. The oldest tramp may well have been Hunt. Although Hunt was born in 1919, making him only 44 in 1963, and although the oldest tramp appears to be 20 years older, he still looks like Hunt to me. Even the height correponds correctly, even perfectly. The tallest, youngest tramp appears to be Harrelson, a known Mafia/CIA contract agent, specifically a shooter. Regarding the Bay of Pigs, I believe that it was designed to fail. If you can believe the government let Pearl Harbor happen or let 9-11 happen, surely the sacrifice of so many Cuban lives would be believable. The reason? The CIA/military/Cuban/Castro/Oswald revenge scenario becomes the most obvious answer to the assassination. Are the people who really killed Kennedy so clever that they could have plotted something like this, so far in advance? For this would suggest that plans for the assassination were on the drawing board the minute Kennedy won the 1960 election. Nixon, the true conspirator's puppet, was supposed to win that election. Find out who controlled Nixon, and you find out who really ordered the death of JFK. Anyway, my opinion.
  9. Shanet, When I first looked into the assassination, I too wondered where the base station may have been. Over the course of time I have thought of a couple of places. It seems to me the Main Dallas Post Office was then located just south of the Plaza, and, as a government building, would have been an ideal location to set up an observation post without arousing any suspicion. Also, if Jean Hill's story were true, she was picked up and interrogated, along with Mary Moorman, in the same room where the federal agents were observing her activities. This in itself is a very interesting subject for further thinking. Would you know which building they might have used? Also, a very important character was observing the assassination through rather powerful binoculars. He was also in the brief interrogation of Oswald on that Sunday morning, just before his death. I believe Ian Griggs wrote a paper on him. Can't think of his name. Any idea of where he was positioned? A very good area of inquiry. John
  10. John, A very perceptive post. However, if you are going to continue this line of reasoning I think it will be necessary, eventually, to try and determine whether the Texas connection or the Eastern Establishment had the real or final power in the U.S. during the post-war period. I believe personally that these two groups are not so separate as some believe, but were actually in cahoots and were actively involved in the assassination. Can't prove it though. JK
  11. The only question I would have for Mr Marrs is whether he is planning, in either an updated version of Crossfire or an entirely new book, to present his current views of the assassination in greater depth, or whether he will remain content with the information he has already published in his Rule by Secrecy.
  12. McCloy spent ten years of his own life uncovering a German governmental coverup involving spies, "murder" and "sabotage." What better man to have on the commission? And we concentrate on who was in Dealy Plaza instead of the big picture. I think McCloy would appreciate that. Jim Root <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jim, As an example of John Simkin's theory of divergent personalities studying the Kennedy assassination, I would ask you to consider the information contained in a number of books. Among them would be Donald Gibson's The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up and Kai Bird's establishment pap biography on McCloy The Chairman:. The Gibson book suggests that the organization McCloy was a part of may have been involved in the assassination. In fact, this author suggests this might be the very reason McCloy and Dulles were "chosen" to participate in the farce. If this were so, McCloy would be in a good position to know who ordered the assassination, as both he and Dulles were very high-ranking members of this organization, in fact part of the inner core. According to establishment author Bird, McCloy rubbed shoulders with a lot of high-ranking military types while serving in the State Department's War Department during the second World War. In fact, McCloy was instrumental in the building of the Pentagon, and it was known as "McCloy's folly". In fact, McCloy, according to Bird, went quail hunting with Lyman Lemnitzer, the man who was fired by Kennedy as head of the JCS. One item Bird fails to tell his readers, though, was that McCloy and Dulles had previously worked together while McCloy was High Commissioner in the American Sector of Germany after the war, and Dulles was moved from his Swiss office to Germany. This is the same McCloy who was supposed to have attended the famous Murchison party on the eve of the assassination. So you see, Jim, how incredibly divergent opinions can be with regard to McCloy. You ask the question, what better man to serve on the commission, as my response would be exactly, totally, precisely, especially if you were part of the plotting team that assassinated the president. John
  13. John, It has been noted by a great many political observers, including sociology professor G William Domhoff in his several books on the upper "ruling" class in America, that American elections are a total farce, and have been for at least the last three generations. It has been noted for some time now that there is no notable differences between candidates of either party. The joke of the last election was phrased as something like "Who cares who wins the race, when they come out of the same stables?" Or the Skull & Bones dynamic duo. The massive Kerry campaign propoganda began in Iowa, where CFR owners of the newspapers in Des Moines began the assault on the Democrats. Consequently, I find it very disappointing that you think the "Democrats" find these candidates. Personally, I think they are selected at the Bilderberg Conferences.
  14. Two excellent posts back-to-back. If you two are as open-minded as I think you are, you are now ready to read a book by sociologist Donald Gibson titled The Kennedy assassination Cover-Up. In it you will find a good discussion on "the honorable" John J and his Rockefeller buddy "the honorable" Allen Dulles. And if you should happen to follow this up with the establishment pap book by Kai Bird on McCloy and get as far as McCloy the American High Commissioner in Germany, you might want to ask yourselves why Bird doesn't mention Dulles in this chapter at all. This is strange, as Dulles was re-assigned from his station in Switzerland to work with the OSS in Germany. As McCloy was also an intelligence nut, they clearly would have worked together there. But I think they go back even further than that. Apparently it would not be a wise thing to mention to readers of this book the very, very close connection between these two way before the 1963 murder. And when you consider that by 1963 they were both VIP's in that curious outfit in NYC called the Council on Foreign Relations (Dulles was a founding member, as was his brother) and that they were both Rockefeller employees for a long time, you may be willing to look at the assassination in this new light. Hope you will read the book. Good luck.
  15. Jack - this may appear to be a zinger and maybe it is, but Fetzer's book didn't do anything but make Wrone's book look good despite Wrone making some silly suppositions like it maybe being Oswald in the doorway of the TSBD in Altgens number 6 photograph. And as far as DelleRosa's site and it being too hot - CT's also got the hell off it because it was getting to be a rabid photo and film alteration site. Just like the train window post you put on this site ... had that of been made on the DelleRosa site, then there would have been a handful of half-wits joined in and started harping about someone being a disinformationist who disagreed with your observation without ever looking to see if what was being said was true or not. On this forum - someone like Tim who has leaned towards the classic gunman figure at least considered the scaling and foreshortening effect between the Murry photo and the Nix film before being so quick to think there was some alteration at play. As far as Rahn goes - there is an argument that he, nor any LN's can make in their favor and that is over the avulsed bones on the back of Kennedy's head. It's a simple rule of physics that says that when applied force is given to an object that it will avulse the exiting surface in the direction the penetrating force was moving. If we stick our finger through a piece of paper - the paper avulses/pushes outward in the direction that the penetrating force is being applied. The bones on the back of JFK's head were avulsed to the rear, thus the bullet was traveling front to back. The Government dealt with this by ignoring the large hole on the back of JFK's head altogether. Doctor after Doctor mentioned this avulsion to Arlen Specter and Specter quickly moved on as if he had no interest in talking about this wound. The reason was quite simple - the more detail that is given to it - the more one has top address why such a wound is not seen on the autopsy photographs. When the HSCA took up their investigation - they were given a falsified report saying that no Bethesda personnel claimed to have seen this large hole in the back of the President's head. It was only after the HSCA had finished their work that it was discovered that in fact each and every person at Bethesda who saw Kennedy's head wound had described the large hole as being there. Tanenbaum talked about this on one of the most recent MWKK series. By someone offering that falsified report to the HSCA - they were able to make it appear as if all the Dallas medical personnel and witnesses had merely been mistaken about this large avulsed wound on the back of JFK's head. That sentiment of everyone being mistaken about the wound still lives on today even though the mortician who prepared Kennedy's body said that he had to place a rubber pad over the large hole in the back of Kennedy's skull so the head would look right as it laid on the coffin's pillow. Most LNr's don't even know these things and some do, but have an agenda for pretending they don't know them or dismissing them altogether. People can argue most of the evidence on the JFK assassination and come up with some kind of spin in their favor, but the one area that takes nothing but faith to make the lone assassin scenario look plausible is over the ignoring the large avulsed wound to the back of JFK's head. Now to do this they have to assume that all those at JFK's autopsy and the mortician that prepared the body for burial were also mistaken. Mass mistakeness is what they must call it. Taken such a position only makes them look foolish to about everyone but themselves. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bill, In your post you refer more than once to the "hole", or large "hole" in the back of the President's head. I was wondering, in your opinion, if the appearance of this hole came about merely because of the avulsed bone structure, or do you think this could also have been formed by the loss of actual bone (Harper fragment, e.g.) and brain and blood matter ejecta from that wound? I am thinking that if you believe there was no actual loss of skull bone, blood, or brain matter, then you would need to explain what it may have been that struck Hargis so forcefully, and a few others, I believe. Just checking to see if I have got some of the facts straight. Thanks for any response. John
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