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Alan Kent

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The bottom line is that fingerprint evidence is sold, hard evidence of a single person at a crime scene.

The boxes in question contained many fingerprints, some of them belonged to Oswald, others to the floor laying crew who also worked at TSBD, and some belonged to cops and crime scene investigators, the latter having violated some basic rules of crime scene investigion techniques.

The TSBD super Truly, would not allow the FBI to fingerprint any other employees besides the floor laying crew.

In the official scenario of the crime, the Sixth Floor Sniper Lee Harvey Oswald immediately leaves the Sniper's Lair, hides the rifle, and descends the stairs to the second floor where he encounters Baker and Truly at 12:31.30.

Meanwhile, back on at the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest, Mrs. Mooneyham, a court clerk across the street, looks to the Sixth floor and through the open window sees the trouser legs of a man at 12:34-5. (Gary Mack discounts this report saying that she mistook the sixth floor window for the fifth floor, but there shouldn't have been anyone in the fifth floor corner window either, since the three black guys had moved to the West End of the fifth floor and began descending down by this time). I believe she saw either the sniper in the window or a spotter who stayed behind to tidy up the crime scene, which wasn't to be officially discovered for another half hour. Whoever this person was, it is probably his fingerprints on the boxes, and he knew that he had all the time in the world to get out of there. How did he know that?

Outside, Dillard and Powell take their photos of the Sixth Floor widnows, and Brennan, when shown the Dillard photo, confirms that the boxes in the photo do NOT represent the way they were position when he saw the Sixth Floor Sniper shooting the third shot.

The HSCA photo analysis team, that had said the backyard photos were not faked, also confirms that their analysis of the Dillard-Powell photos taken twenty seconds apart indicate the boxes in the window were re-arranged between the twenty seconds those photos were taken.

So the fingerprints on the boxes at the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest window are significant and should have and still can be checked to see who they belong to, whether it be Oswald, the floor crew, other TSBD employees, the cops or Wallace.

And chances are, if it is a Wallace print, it was a plant, though it had to be planted by someone with access to the crime scene, before the cops apparently intentionally contaminated it.

Bill Kelly

Why do you say it was a plant, Bill?

I discounted the alleged Wallace print because it was contained in Barr McClellan's ridiculous book.

Why do you think it was a plant, if it existed at all?

Chris

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The bottom line is that fingerprint evidence is sold, hard evidence of a single person at a crime scene.

The boxes in question contained many fingerprints, some of them belonged to Oswald, others to the floor laying crew who also worked at TSBD, and some belonged to cops and crime scene investigators, the latter having violated some basic rules of crime scene investigion techniques.

The TSBD super Truly, would not allow the FBI to fingerprint any other employees besides the floor laying crew.

In the official scenario of the crime, the Sixth Floor Sniper Lee Harvey Oswald immediately leaves the Sniper's Lair, hides the rifle, and descends the stairs to the second floor where he encounters Baker and Truly at 12:31.30.

Meanwhile, back on at the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest, Mrs. Mooneyham, a court clerk across the street, looks to the Sixth floor and through the open window sees the trouser legs of a man at 12:34-5. (Gary Mack discounts this report saying that she mistook the sixth floor window for the fifth floor, but there shouldn't have been anyone in the fifth floor corner window either, since the three black guys had moved to the West End of the fifth floor and began descending down by this time). I believe she saw either the sniper in the window or a spotter who stayed behind to tidy up the crime scene, which wasn't to be officially discovered for another half hour. Whoever this person was, it is probably his fingerprints on the boxes, and he knew that he had all the time in the world to get out of there. How did he know that?

Outside, Dillard and Powell take their photos of the Sixth Floor widnows, and Brennan, when shown the Dillard photo, confirms that the boxes in the photo do NOT represent the way they were position when he saw the Sixth Floor Sniper shooting the third shot.

The HSCA photo analysis team, that had said the backyard photos were not faked, also confirms that their analysis of the Dillard-Powell photos taken twenty seconds apart indicate the boxes in the window were re-arranged between the twenty seconds those photos were taken.

So the fingerprints on the boxes at the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest window are significant and should have and still can be checked to see who they belong to, whether it be Oswald, the floor crew, other TSBD employees, the cops or Wallace.

And chances are, if it is a Wallace print, it was a plant, though it had to be planted by someone with access to the crime scene, before the cops apparently intentionally contaminated it.

Bill Kelly

Why do you say it was a plant, Bill?

I discounted the alleged Wallace print because it was contained in Barr McClellan's ridiculous book.

Why do you think it was a plant, if it existed at all?

Chris

Because of what John Simkin said earlier in this thread: that LBJ would not use Wallace to kill JFK because he was a too well known of an entity, and if the Wallace print was found there (on Sixth Floor Sniper's Next boxes), it was probably planted there to blackmail JFK into going along with the coverup.

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Can anyone easily demolish the assertions in this 8 years old von Pein post, or does some "start from scratch" research have to be done? http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/278047/on-trial-lee-harvey-oswald-a-personal-review/60#post_3570253

Also assuming von Pein is twisting the truth, there are some interesting posts related to this discussion, here.:

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I think a lot of the research was done by the late Jay Harrison, in conjunction with Barr McClellan and Richard Bartholomew. Harrison got angry with his associates for disclosing the identity of Darby and turned to Walt Brown. At least this is my understanding of what happened when they presented their research in Dallas.

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/22nd_Issue/breakthru2.html

Another interesting article that mentions Wallace:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=16251&relPageId=34

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I think that if Wallace had been in the "sniper's nest" as a shooter or helper, more than just one of his fingerprints would have been found.

Now, six years after I wrote the above, I think Mac Wallace must have been there because I figure who in their right mind would plant just one of his fingerprints, and of his little finger, at that?

Unless it was meant to be warning to LBJ.

So, was it a warning to LBJ or just a result of Mac's carelessness?

--Tommy

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3 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

You still cannot ignore the fingerprint on a box, in a building where Wallace had no business being.  

Yes you can.

https://www.amazon.com/Faustian-Bargains-Johnson-Wallace-Culture/dp/1620408066/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1516770710&sr=1-1&keywords=faustian+bargain

Beyond Wallace, the chapter on the U S S Liberty is stunning in what it reveals about just how far Our government will go for It's owners.

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It is simply rushing to judgment to jump from Mac Wallace on the 6th floor of the TSBD and an LBJ-did-it CT.

As though Mac Wallace had no other friends on planet earth except LBJ.

Why do we not hear about a trace of ALL THE PEOPLE whom Mac Wallace knew -- specifically in Dallas, Texas?

Did Mac Wallace move among the Radical Right in Dallas?   Did Mac Wallace know or befriend anybody on the Dallas Police force, or in the Dallas Sheriff's office?

These are far more crucial questions, in my opinion.

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--Paul Trejo

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10 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Yes you can.

https://www.amazon.com/Faustian-Bargains-Johnson-Wallace-Culture/dp/1620408066/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1516770710&sr=1-1&keywords=faustian+bargain

Beyond Wallace, the chapter on the U S S Liberty is stunning in what it reveals about just how far Our government will go for It's owners.

Agreed, Ron. For those who want to watch a BBC documentary on the Liberty.

 

 

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You gotta love these Internet Forum thingys.

Thomas Graves posts a response to a thread in 2011.

Rich Pope posts a response to the thread in 2018.

Others follow suit, and the conversation picks up right where it left off.

It's kind of amazing really.

Steve Thomas

 

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Mac Wallace's brazen, middle of the day, multiple witness, confessed murder of John Douglas Kinser and his subsequent beyond belief suspended sentence by a crooked Johnson crony Judge "forces" anyone with a rational mind to view Mac Wallace as potentially every bad and dangerous character he has been alleged or accused to be afterwards.

Wallace's psychological decent into murderous craziness was real. No debate there. As was his odd and beholden connection to LBJ.

Wallace' positive achievements ( many high academic ones) as a young man seem shockingly out of character versus his manic chasing down of Kinser and filling him full of bullet holes.

I am sure almost every reader of the Mac Wallace story finds this Kinser murder turning point ominously intriguing.

Wallace was obviously quite mentally damaged in carrying this out.

A totally different man than the idealistic young University of Texas student who led liberal campus movements and who even taught on that level later.

Wallace's transformation from that young, more innocent values man to bold daylight murderer begs serious questions with answers that may help reveal the truth regards his involvement in further murders.

Did Wallace's hot affair relationship with LBJ's sex nymph sister Josefa ( who Kinser was also having sex with and using as a pawn in a blackmail scheme against LBJ ) descend him into an obsessive madness that caused him to lose his grasp of common sense reality and right and wrong values? One had to be crazy to do what Wallace did with Kinser without thought to all the witnesses present.

Was it at this Kinser murder time that Wallace's drinking problem turned into full blown alcoholism?

But whatever the answers to these questions...Wallace after Kinser had crossed that line into a proven killer. 

The suspicions of Wallace being Henry Marshall's killer are totally rational based on his Kinser murder actions and his debt to LBJ ( who Marshall was a real threat to ) for getting him off after his jury conviction and long sentence for this.

The reality of Mac Wallace and his life after Kinser and his connection and debt to LBJ make Wallace a true and solidly verified suspect in who-knows-what other nefarious actions LBJ and his backers may have had in mind with a need for his kind of services.

I have even wondered if Mac Wallace was in on getting rid of Madeleine Brown's years long black nanny, after she witnessed Brown and LBJ in a personal relationship scene that LBJ decided was too risky to let this nanny see?

What if Wallace was sent to the Texas School Book Depository 6th floor to make sure a shooter there didn't chicken out of his shooting orders?

Houston Street eyewitness "Carolyn Walthers" stated a description of another man with a rifle in the upper TXSBD building window ( that she questionably stated was the 4th or 5th floor) and described him as being heavier set than the shorter white man and wearing a brown suit coat.

Mac Wallace did own a brown suit coat. I believe there is at least one picture of him wearing such, but not sure of the date of the photo.

 

 

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Joe, you are right on in what you perceive and write about above.

In her book, “Faustian Bargains: Lyndon Johnson and Mac Wallace in the Robber Baron Culture of Texas,” Professor Joan Mellen goes to extraordinary shameful lengths to attack and darken the character of U.S. Marshal Clint Peoples, a truly great American whom  I feel privileged to have known.  Mellen’s book, nevertheless, is definitely worth reading to get an overall picture of what Texas was like when LBJ and his crooked cronies ruled the state unchallenged. Mellen focuses in her book on Malcolm (Mac) Wallace, whom Billie Sol asserted was a stone cold killer that LBJ used when necessary. In her book, Mellen writes, “Mac Wallace is a case in point, his history with Lyndon Johnson is a window into Johnson’s methods. Wallace’s story is so intriguing because, unlike other of Johnson’s acolytes, it is difficult to prove what he did for Lyndon Johnson and what Lyndon Johnson did, in turn, for him. More than any other of Johnson’s protégés and acolytes, Wallace’s connection to him remains cloaked in secrecy.

“In the major events of Mac Wallace’s life, Lyndon Johnson remains invisible. Yet one truth is irrefutable. Everything that was positive and promising in Wallace’s life came to him before he made the acquaintance of Lyndon Baines Johnson and joined Johnson’s circle.”

 

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7 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

You gotta love these Internet Forum thingys.

Thomas Graves posts a response to a thread in 2011.

Rich Pope posts a response to the thread in 2018.

Others follow suit, and the conversation picks up right where it left off.

It's kind of amazing really.

Steve Thomas

 

Yes and no Steve.  The conversation seems to be a rehash of old assumptions from 2011 but Joan Mellen's book Faustian Bargains in 2016 blew them away.  Some years back on jfkfacts I argued that LBJ while ruthless was also intelligent and would not have put someone traceable back to him in a position where they could have been caught regarding the killing of President Kennedy.  Ms. Mellen addresses similar concerns.  But the fingerprint they argued.  Ok I conceded If Mac Wallace might have been there it was not as a shooter, once again, too close to LBJ in his past if caught.  Maybe as an overseer of a separate operation for LBJ to ensure no one shot at LBJ.  But if so why would he be moving a box I thought?  We were all wrong.

In November 1963 Mac Wallace worked for Ling Aerospace in California.  His son Michael lived with him, just the two of them.  Michael was distraught the evening of 11/22 over the assassination when Mac came home. Per Joan's interview of him.  She notes he went on to a 30 year California law enforcement career and his religious convictions in support of his character.  Pg. 257.  Note, the book is Very well documented.

The smudged fingerprint is not and never was a match.  The assertion that it was is based on a Copy of the print in the National Archives, deemed unusable by a current certified expert. The "match' was made by a man whose certification had been expired 14 years at the time.  Ms. Mellen anonymously contacted Robert Garrett a well experienced law officer, a Certified Latent Print Examiner, Certified Crime Scene Analyst, and Fellow, Fingerprint Society of Idman Forensics, a reputable firm.  He could not match Wallaces prints from his 1950's murder arrest or Marine/ONI security clearance prints to the Archive copy not knowing whose they were.  She obtained a much clearer digital copy from the Archives, well useable in his estimation.  No match to any finger on either of Mac Wallace's hands.   Informed of the circumstances Mr. Garrett signed a statement that the print in the National Archives is not that of Mac Wallace.  6/19/13, pg. 280.

No matter his prior use of Wallace years before LBJ had distanced himself from Mac Wallace by 1963 because of his own position, and, the nature of his prior connections to him.  In 1963 Mac Wallace was a drunk, about to get fired from his job for it that nobody would have used in the assassination of a sitting President.

 

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The inside flyleaf of Mellen’s book, Faustian Bargains, is illuminating. It reads:

Perhaps no other president has a more ambiguous reputation than Lyndon Johnson. A brilliant tactician, he maneuvered colleagues and turned bills into law better than anyone. But he was trailed by a legacy of underhanded dealings, from his “stolen” Senate election in 1948 to kickbacks he artfully concealed from deals engineered with Texas wheeler-dealer Billie Sol Estes, defense contractors, and his Senate aide Bobby Baker. On the verge of investigation, Johnson was reprieved when he became president upon John F. Kennedy’s assassination.

Among the remaining mysteries of his life has been LBJ’s relationship with Malcolm “Mac” Wallace, who, in 1951, shot a Texas man having an affair with LBJ’s loose-cannon sister Josefa, also Wallace’s lover. When arrested, Wallace coolly said, “I work for Johnson…I have to get back to Washington.” Charged with murder, he was overnight defended by LBJ’s powerful lawyer John Cofer, and though convicted, amazingly received a suspended sentence. He then received a secret security clearance to work for LBJ friend and defense contractor D.H. Byrd, which the Office of Naval Intelligence tried to revoke for years without success.

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