David Ferrie -- Belcher Oil

[William Kelly]

First off, beyond the phone records in question, I have not encountered any trace of Belcher Oil in any other connection in Ferrie's background.

Next, a caveat about the phone records. (I might get beat-up for saying this. I'm gonna hate myself in the morning...): These calls are not from Ferrie's home phone (VE5-4535); they are from the office of his employer (March 1962-November 1963), the law firm of Gill, Bernstein, Schreiber and Gill. The main number was 524-0147 and the unpublished line was 288-4648. Both lines were available to all the people in the office, which included Ferrie, Gill, Bernstein, Schreiber and Gill, and several interns, secretaries and investigators. These records show only toll calls, not local calls. Three years after the assassination, on January 4, 1967, secretary Alice Guidroz went through the monthly bills and drew a line through any call she could identify as Gill's, and turned them over to Jim Garrison's office. In this light, it is fair to say that any of the remaining calls MIGHT have been made by Ferrie, but given the open access to the phones and passage of time, there is no certainty which calls Ferrie made. However, they are still worthy of inquiry.

The number in question, EM8-6993, was called on 9/5/62 (from 524-0147) and on 9/5, 10/1, 10/5, 10/18, 10/22, 10/30 and 11/29/62 (from 288-4648). The 1961 Dallas phone book listed that number as: Mae Belcher & A. Mack Belcher, 6042 Averill Way. The 1962 and 1963 phone books listed it as: A.M. Belcher Oil Co, 6042 Averill Way.

See Tom's info on this couple, above.

Thanks Steve,

And that also applies to the phone call to Chicago hotel-apartment where Jean Aase resided.

BK

I can vouch for Stephen Roy's information regarding the phone book listings in the Dallas telephone directory....

It might be a considerable achievement, if the A.M. Belcher who was married to Mae Belcher, could be verified as the same

A. M. Belcher who has been cited as a once member of the Al Capone gang......

FWIW

I have discovered that some of "Oswald's associates" were connected to Organized Crime, such as the co-worker at Jagger Chiles Stovall

John Cesar Grossi, was convicted circa 1970-71

ARRB MD 235 - ARRB Call and Meeting Reports of October 7, 1996 Telephone Interview, and October 22, 1996

In-Person Interview of Carl Belcher (Former Justice Department Official Associated With Inventory Process of JFK

Autopsy and Photographs Nov 1966)

http://www.maryferre...757&relPageId=2

during this point in our conversation, he was interrupting repeatedly with objections

to being questioned for any reason and I am not sure that the message I was relaying about the possibility of ARRB issuing a subpoena

even registered with him -After I again explained that our task today was to arrange for a mutually agreeable interview date for an in-person

interview, he stated "I don't give a damn who your boss is, who you are or what your agency is," and hung up the phone in the middle of our

conversation, with our business unresolved.

Summarizing, throughout his conversations with Mr. Montague and myself, Mr Belcher continually interrupted, sprinkled his conversation with

profanity, spoke in a loud derisive and aggresive manner and demeaned our efforts as unimportant and trivial.When we attempted to explain

exactly what topics we were interested in discussing with him and why, he countered by demanding an immediate on-the-spot telephonic

interview. When it became clear to him that his tactic of attempting to find out exactly what our questions were was not going to work, he terminated the

telephone call. END

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Name: Arthur Mack Belcher

Death Date: 24 Jan 1947

Death Place: Austin, Travis, Texas

Gender: Male

Race:

Death Age: 37 years 3 months 23 days

Estimated Birth Date: 1910

Birth Date:

Birthplace:

Marital Status:

Spouse's Name:

Father's Name: William E. Belcher

Father's Birthplace:

Mother's Name: Louise Williams

Mother's Birthplace:

Occupation:

Place of Residence:

Cemetery:

Burial Place: Brownwood, Texas

Burial Date: 25 Jan 1947

Additional Relatives:

Film Number: 2218565

Digital Film Number: 4031922

Image Number: 1300

Reference Number: 4649

Name: Mack Belcher

Residence: Grayson, Texas

Estimated Birth Year: 1906

Age: 14

Birthplace: Texas

Relationship to Head of Household: Son

Gender: Male

Race: White

Marital Status: Single

Father's Birthplace: Arkansas

Mother's Birthplace: Texas

Film Number: 1821809

Digital Folder Number: 4390416

Image Number: 00979

Sheet Number: 2

Household Gender Age

Parent Thaddeus M Belcher M 54y

Parent Minnie O Belcher F 45y

Joseph Belcher M 19y

Bessie P Belcher F 16y

Mack Belcher M 14y

Estelle Belcher F 12y

William Belcher M 10y

James C Belcher M 9y

Thaddeus W Belcher M 7y

Paper: Owensboro Messenger-Inquirer (KY)

Title: deaths Mae L. Belcher

Date: April 10, 2005

Section: C Page: 2

Mae L. Belcher, 84, of Owensboro died at 5:35 a.m. Friday, April 8, 2005, at her home. She was born in Butler County and retired from Owensboro Mercy Hospital. She was a member of Sandy Creek Baptist Church and was preceded in death by her parents, Nathan McCoy and Alma McKinney McCoy; her husband, Forrest Givens; her second husband, Benjamine Richard Harlan; and two sisters, Zora Hudall and Martha Brooks. Survivors include her husband, Odle Glen Belcher of Owensboro; a son, Troy L. Givens of Franklin; a stepson, Kenneth Belcher of Nashville; three grandchildren, Wendy Blocker and Tracy Givens, both of Austin, Texas, and Gregory Givens of Houston; a great-grandson, Zackery Miranda of Austin; two brothers, Willard McCoy of Louisville and Hubert McCoy of Otisco, Ind.; and several nieces and nephews. Services are at 1 p.m. Monday at Sandy Creek Baptist Church. Burial will be in Elmwood Cemetery in Owensboro. Visitation is from 1 to 8 p.m. today and from 9 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. Mon!

day at Jones Funeral Chapel in Morgantown.

Section: C

Page: 2

Copyright, 2005, Owensboro Messenger-Inquirer

This does not appear to be THE Mae Belcher, as she was married to A.M. Belcher

Finding the maiden name of THE Mae Belcher would be a big help in all of this

Robert, Thanks for your always incisive research.

BK

[Guest Tom Scully]

Robert, welcome back...and be careful what you wish for. I did some digging and I caught a break. I find I get no luck unless I put the time into it, and I'm convinced putting in the time is not enough, in and of itself.

Mae's maiden name was Phillips, out of the state of Tenn., and both her parents were in residence in the 1920 census.:

[Robert Howard]

Robert, welcome back...and be careful what you wish for. I did some digging and I caught a break. I find I get no luck unless I put the time into it, and I'm convinced putting in the time is not enough, in and of itself.

Mae's maiden name was Phillips, out of the state of Tenn., and both her parents were in residence in the 1920 census.:

Hey Bill, Tom.....I think we are going somewhere with all of this.....

Dallas Morning News page Six

June 9, 1934

Daughter to be Guest of Mrs. Mae Belcher

Mrs. Mae Belcher will entertain on Saturday afternoon with a tea at her

apartment at Cliff Towers complementing her daughter Miss Lila

McEntyre, formerly of Beverly Hills, Cal.,who will arrive here Saturday

from Mexico. Mrs. McEntyre will be accompanied by Mr. and Mrs. Bob

Wallace and Jim Croften of California and Oklahoma. The four have

been in Mexico City where they were entertained by high government

officials.

Robert If mary ferrell's info is correct then Lila McEntyre via marraige

became Lila Boos......

excerpt from article Dallas Morning News, page Page Eight

May 26, 1943

Dallas Woman Operator Gives Kaufman Lease to Army Relief

The Army Emergency Relief, which takes a load off the heart of the soldier

at the front by standing by his family at home in time of need

was presented by Mrs. Mae Belcher, Dallas oil operator, 3944 Northwood Road,

with the outright gift of a forty-acre oil lease in Kaufman County out of a block

on which she is drilling a Woodbine widcat test.

The lease was handed over to Cpl. Harrison Hampel, 23, of San Francisco, Calif.,

attached to the Eighth Service Command. He delivered it to Capt. James H. Carter

Army Emergency Relief officer, who will hold it in trust pending sale.

This lease is out of the Martha Cody tract in the Juan Fensio survey. It is separated

from the drillsite of Mrs. Belcher's test by a fifty-acre lease held by

George B. McCamey of Fort Worth. It adjoins a lease held by the Cordova Union

Oil Company

Mrs. Belcher has six nephews in the service. She said Tuesday she hopes that

every oil operator who drills a test well will donate a forty-acre lease to the Army

Emergency Relief. The demands upon it will rise sharply she said, when the draft

extends to fathers and the invasion of Europe occurs.

Wide Experience In Oil

Mrs. Belcher has had wide experience as an oil operator on the Pacific Coast

and in the mid-continent area. She extended the KMA field in North Texas

by bringing in a well which flowed ninety barrels an hour.

Robert: An advertisement

Dallas Morning News page Nine

June 8, 1947

Samuel Hart Galleries

Announces A Distinguished

AUCTION

The Westover Hills Home of

MAE BELCHER

45 Valley Ridge Road, Westover Hills

September 24, 1959

(AP) ROY, N. M.

Dallasite Hits Helium Find in New Mexico

A Dallas oil producer has reported he hit helium gas

in a 13,500-foot well closest to this Northeast New

Mexico cowtown.

A. M. Belcher of Dallas said the U.S. Government's

helium plant at Amarillo said helium and argon made up 22.3

of the wells production and nitrogen made up the remainder.

Belcher said John Greathouse, a geologist reported that the

Bureau of Mines testing station at Amarillo called samples

from the well good and said it was capable of producing

commercially.

Seeing the name Captain James Carter, I also couldn't help thinking of other Carter's.......

KILLAM, WANDA JOYCE (MRS. HENRY)

Sources: Warren Report, 339-340; WC Vol 26, p. 338; CE 1451; CE 2882; CD 104, p. 194; Forgive My Grief I, Jones, 7-8; Forgive My Grief II, Jones, 1, 3; Plot or Politics, James, 41

Mary's Comments: Entertainer at Carousel Club from July to Nov 1963. Friend of her husband, Jack Carter, lived at 1026 N. Beckley.

CARTER, ROBERT M.

Sources: CD 385 (249-250)

Mary's Comments: He had owned Carleton-Madison Hotel, 1159 Madison, Dallas prior to June 1963. Phil Willis purchased the Wabash Circle house from Carter.

Wonder who Mae Belcher, Lila McEntyre, Bob Wallace and Jim Croften were hanging out with in MC, back in the day....

To me the big picture issue re Mae Belcher is she apparently was a pretty significant person in the 30's and 40's, the obvious question is

was she significant to events in 1963, and does she interface in the whole JFK saga in a significant manner or is she some peripheral

character.....

[Guest Tom Scully]

I looked at the Dallas Belcher couple.

...I got no more out of it than Bill says he has been able to. I could search census records but I think it will be a waste of time. The record is that A.M. and Mae were small time, scam artists specializing in cheating little old ladies out of their savings.

I dug up the newspaper report of the 1936 mail fraud case. It was a carbon copy scam of the crimes described in the 1974 appeal, with a gold mine substituted for an oil field.

A.M. plead guilty and received a $100 fine. Charges were dropped against Mae. It appears in 1963 that Mae was 73 and A.M. was 79. By 1965, they seemed to have almost no income.

http://tx.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19740206_0040213.TX.htm/qx

A.M. BELCHER AND MAE BELCHER v. STATE TEXAS (02/06/74)

...A. M. Belcher testified that Osborn's $10,000 check to the Good Earth Oil Company account was in payment for money due him on a separate oil venture in which he and Osborn were partners, but which ended in a dry hole. Belcher was impeached on cross-examination when the State elicited testimony that his annual net earnings for 1965 and 1966 were $650 and $2000, respectively, and that he never used the United States mails because "it is a known fact that the government figures every oil deal is a fraud" and so that he would not get in trouble with the federal government. Later, on re-cross, the State established that Belcher had in fact been convicted of mail fraud in 1936...

.....

There is more.... as Sgt. Joe Friday used to open every episode of Dragnet, with words similar to, "Monday, Sept. 25, it was sunny in Los Angeles, my partner is officer Bill Gannon, we were working the day watch out of Bunco (squad), the boss is Captain.....and my name is Friday.

Consider that at the time of this reporting, Mae Phillips McIntyre Belcher's daughter, Virginia McIntyre was age 19.

The economic depression was nearly two years old, so it is some excuse, but times would get much worse, and it must have taken some time to get this scam up to speed, and time to trigger and complete and investigation, and to result in indictments.

Mae split up with her former husband Durard McIntyre, married scam artist Andy L. aka Audy L. aka A. Mack, aka A.M. Belcher, and by the time of the 1930 census had moved to Tulsa, Ok and was living with husband, Audy L. Belcher, daughters Virginia McEntyre, Lila M. McIntyre, and parents Fannie A. and John L. Phillips.

The following year, Mae and her daughter Virginia were indicted after investigation of an investment fraud scam run by C.C. Julian. Why would a mother involve her teenage daughter in such a scam operation?

The Greeley Daily Tribune, Colorado - Sept 26, 1931

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=durard+mc+intyre&aq=f&aqi=g-lsv2&aql=&oq=#hl=en&ds=n&sugexp=ldymls&pq=virginia%20mcintyre%20mae&xhr=t&q=%22virginia+mcintyre%22+mae&cp=1&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&biw=1255&bih=783&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22virginia+mcintyre%22+mae&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e63c8a38fa0aa9df

JULIAN INDICTED IN OKLAHOMA‎

Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Sep 26, 1931

... geles Herbert B Flesher William J Wellman C. C.Tex Boren Lamar S Bolling John H Pea cock F. E. Peveto Mike H Lubin Virginia McIntyre Lee Mrs Mae Belcher ...

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%22the+total+number+of+defendantsultimately+reached+fifty%22&btnG=Search+Books

The Great Los Angeles Swindle: Oil, Stocks, and Scandal During the ... - Page 319

Jules Tygiel - 1996 - 398 pages - Full view

...On September 25, the federal government indicted Julian and thirty-two of his associates on mail fraud charges.

The total number of defendants ultimately reached fifty, including Julian's brother, his former Los Angeles sidekick Jack Roth, and former chief justice Mason. Federal attorneys contended that Julian had threatened to kill witnesses who ....

http://www.processedworld.com/Issues/issue33/julian1.htm

Although there are many tales about the city of Lost Angels, one that still has repercussions half a century later is the subject of a new book.� "The Great Los Angeles Swindle" (Jules Tygiel, 1994 Oxford University Press, New York, ISBN 0-19-505489-X) dissects an enterprise called the Julian Petroleum Company.

The story starts with a Canadian, C.C. Julian (Courtney Chauncey; you can see why he always went by "C.C."),

...While C.C. Julian tried his hand at a mining venture in Death Valley (which ultimately failed), Lewis was busy selling stock.� So busy, in fact, that the limit on shares was overlooked.� Within a few months (Feb. 1925) there were some 159,000 in circulation (more than 50% over the legal limit).� Money was borrowed to keep their burgeoning empire (or was it just a ponzi scheme?) afloat.� Director Cecil B. DeMille was one of the more prominent investors seeking the 20% return.� Another device became known as "The Banker's Pools," after the participants in the first of these, which collected a million dollars from such luminaries as film mogul Louis B. Mayer, Motley Flint of the Pacific Southwest bank, businessman and arch-conservative Better America Foundation president Harry M. Haldeman (grandfather of Watergate's H.R. Haldeman), and a number of notables from financial circles in Los Angeles.� This and successive pools paid about 19% interest, much of which came from selling� illicit shares of stock.� (It also violated state usury laws, which was soon to be an issue.)� By April 1927 they had sold or distributed some 3,614% of the company. (Shades of "The Producers"!)

����������� Julian Pete acquired new enemies along the way, including radio-evangelist and anti-Semite Robert Shuler (whose son continues the family tradition on TV), and some newspapers.� Eventually the financial pressure from untainted banks, combined with inquiries from state and federal authorities cracked the "bubble factory" and its ever-inflating stock.� When Julian Pete collapsed amidst lurid headlines, the reverberations brought down quite a few politicians, tarnished some of the most illustrious businessmen in the city, financially maimed (and, in at least one case, literally!) many small investors, and ruined several banks and brokerage houses.� The city District Attorney, Asa Keyes, was sent to jail.� Reverend Shuler went to jail on a contempt charge, and a few small-fry investors were also dispatched to the clink.� The principal defendants (Julian and Lewis) checked themselves into federal prison to avoid civil trials.� In 1930 Frank Keaton, who had lost money on Julian Pete, expressed his hatred for the "banking crowd" by shooting Motley Flint (one of the arrangers of the "$1 Million Pool") in a Los Angeles courtroom.� When police searched Keaton they found ten cents; in the pockets of the corpse they found $63,000 in cash.� There was yet more scandal to come, including a double murder to which a former deputy DA and politician confessed ("Handsome Dave" Clark lost his race for judge during the trial, but still garnered 60,000 votes)...

Conclusion.: Mae and A. Mack Belcher were habitual, small time criminals, "one trick ponies" (still pulling the same scams in 1960...) engage over and over in the same scam, selling interests in dry or depleted oil wells to unwitting "marks". Local cops used to label such folk as bunco "artists".

This was the biggest thing that ever happened to them, and they could have been acting as intermediaries for people in NOLA who did not want to directly contact associates in Chicago.

Two of Robert Howards posts inspired the creation of this thread:.... ..............

PAROLE INQUIRY RESUMED HERE BY GRAND JURY

Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - Jul 16, 1948

Federal grand Jury . of the Paroles of members co. A.M. Belcher. the Capone gang was resumed yes terday on of United States Atty. Otto Kerner Jr. A witness be- fore the Jury wis identified as A.M. Belcher, husband of Mae Belcher, Wth, Tex., oil *opera tot, believed to have some clew to tne mystery man, "Mike Ryan," who paid $15000 to a friend of United States Atty. Gen. Tom C. Clark for service In having a federal indictment dii. mI,'ri E i - . \'The -grand jury making thi1. investigation has been Inactive for ' weeks as has the committee 'which'. undertook to run down reports thati a- fortune In cash was paid for the -freedom oft Paul Ricca. Louis Campagna,-Charles Gloe and Phil D'Andrea, -all gangsters whohad been convicted of a $1000000 , A, third-- Inquiry 'wesa launched a week. ago by Federal Judge' Michael L. Igoe before whom -av-habeas corpus case ln Ricca Is-pending....

...Mrs. Belcher was named -as-one -of the persons thru - whom' Hughes;--met "Mike Ryan.". , Rep. Frea -E. Busbey (R..ll.) asked Atty.'Genr. Clark to have the federal bureau of investigation act on clews concerning the "pay '- off" for the paroles, the prosecu-' tor s: office sald yesterday. The FBI, which, likethe grand jury.: Is under the Jurisdiction of Clark, refused, however, to tell Busbey ; was learned.-: , --. In - general, it was explained. yesterday, the grand jury Is pur. - - suing all angles of the story told. -by Hughes-:regarding his deals - with -'"Mysterious Mike," who. saild Ae was- a- friend of .Rlcca L- The6 two .national political co-, -Repubican and Demo. - cratic,=-had delayed all the in" - concerning the gang paroles, accordingto the man - - -. Chicago "Deals" Reported. The committee headed by Rep - Clare Ei-Hoffman (R.,Mich.) hid sought details concerning a report that-Chicagq-politics figured in. the paroling of the gangsters. One report concerned: a- "deal" by were f"delivered"' tothe-Democrats as part Payment for the paroles, and the other report had-to do with charges that...

Edited May 29, 2011 by Tom Scully

[Robert Howard]

...Mrs. Belcher was named -as-one -of the persons thru - whom' Hughes;--met "Mike Ryan.". , Rep. Frea -E. Busbey (R..ll.) asked Atty.'Genr. Clark to have the federal bureau of investigation act on clews concerning the "pay '- off" for the paroles, the prosecu-' tor s: office sald yesterday. The FBI, which, likethe grand jury.: Is under the Jurisdiction of Clark, refused, however, to tell Busbey ; was learned.-: , --. In - general, it was explained. yesterday, the grand jury Is pur. - - suing all angles of the story told. -by Hughes-:regarding his deals - with -'"Mysterious Mike," who. saild Ae was- a- friend of .Rlcca L- The6 two .national political co-, -Repubican and Demo. - cratic,=-had delayed all the in" - concerning the gang paroles, accordingto the man - - -. Chicago "Deals" Reported. The committee headed by Rep - Clare Ei-Hoffman (R.,Mich.) hid sought details concerning a report that-Chicagq-politics figured in. the paroling of the gangsters. One report concerned: a- "deal" by were f"delivered"' tothe-Democrats as part Payment for the paroles, and the other report had-to do with charges that...

Great work Tom.

We have been down part of this road before, if I were a betting man, I would have to think that Mike Ryan and Mickey Ryan were one and the same or father and son, there has to be a correlation.

If that were the case, then it would seem you have a couple of degrees of separation between Jack Ruby and the Mae Belcher crowd.

Since David Ferrie did contact Mae Belcher, maybe this is a part of the universe that is being clarified with a little more detail.

Other point of interest. At one time, I did a little bit of digging into whether there was an inter-relationship between Good Luck Oil Company, and GLOCO,

Gloco, if you remember was the art-deco style gas station that J.D. Tippit was ostensibly parked at after the assassination, and when Oswald was en route to Oak Cliff

from the TSBD. I was never able to develop a relationship, between the two but that does not mean there wasn't one, and if there was one, it would not have been

being shouted from the rooftops, by those who would have been privy, if you know what I mean.......

Hats off....to you Tom.....

[Guest Tom Scully]

...and to you, Robert, for all you do!

Chicago Tribune - Jul 16, 1948

[Guest Tom Scully]

wikipedia.org administrator "gamliel" has been an active, and a recent editor of the David Ferrie article. http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=David_Ferrie

So far, he has not interfered with this revision in the Jack Ruby article. The information in it meshes well with the information in the 1948 article displayed in my immediately prior post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby#Allegations_of_organized_crime_links

Jack Ruby

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allegations of organized crime links

....Within four hours of Ruby's arrest on November 24, 1963, a telegram sent from La Jolla, CA, was received at the Dallas city jail in support of Jack Ruby, under the names of Hal and Pauline Collins.[11] That telegram supports the Warren Commission exhibit (CE 1510), which names Hal Collins, Jr.[12][13] as a character reference listed by Jack Ruby on a Texas liquor license application.[14] In 1957, Hal Collin's sister, Mary Ann Collins,[12][15] had married Robert L. Clark,[16][17] the brother of former U.S. Attorney General and the then sitting U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Tom C. Clark. Robert L. Clark was the former Dallas law partner of Maury Hughes.[18][19][20] Tom C. Clark advised newspaper columnist Drew Pearson in 1946 that the FBI had verified the claims[21][22] of James M. Ragen that Henry Crown and the Hilton Hotel chain controlled organized crime in Chicago.[23][24][25][26][27][28][29] Tom C. Clark selected Henry Crown's son, John as one of his two Supreme Court law clerks for the 1956 term,[30] and Tom Clark provided one of two recommendations to the Warren Commission to appoint Henry Crown's attorney, Albert E. Jenner, Jr.[31] as a senior assistant investigative counsel responsible for determining whether either Oswald or Ruby acted alone or conspired with others.[32]

[Daniel Meyer]

wikipedia.org administrator "gamliel" has been an active, and a recent editor of the David Ferrie article. http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=David_Ferrie

So far, he has not interfered with this revision in the Jack Ruby article. The information in it meshes well with the information in the 1948 article displayed in my immediately prior post.

[...edit...]

In the edit history of the Wikipedia David Ferrie article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Ferrie&action=history

It looks to me like the exchange of edits between User:Gamaliel and User:BrandonTR over the past month that BrandonTR is holding his/her own fairly well. While BrandonTR seems to be a fairly new user, they seem to be catching on to Wikipedia policies and practices quickly. Another illustration of the point I've made before: while a clique of "lone nutters" have had much success in gaming the system at Wikipedia to promote their view, progress in a more balanced and fact based direction can be made by those who bother to take the time to learn the system and work using it with calm patience.

[Guest Tom Scully]

...posted in wrong thread.

Edited June 3, 2011 by Tom Scully

[Robert Howard]

Does anybody have the phone log, or a URL for the phone log of the phone records of the law firm of Gill, Bernstein, Schreiber and Gill from (March 1962-November 1963)? The main number was 524-0147 and the unpublished line was 288-4648. Both lines were available to all the people in the office, which included Ferrie, Gill, Bernstein, Schreiber and Gill, and several interns, secretaries and investigators. These records show only toll calls, not local calls. Three years after the assassination, on January 4, 1967, secretary Alice Guidroz went through the monthly bills and drew a line through any call she could identify as Gill's, and turned them over to Jim Garrison's office.

[Robert Howard]

Nevermind......Found the link.

[William Kelly]

Nevermind......Found the link.

Keep us posted Robert.

Did we find a connection between Mae Belcher and Belcher Oil of Miami?

BK