Robert Howard Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Robert, Just as in the investigation of Oswald, I do not think the WC intended to make it plain what the actual political sentiments and commitments of DeMohrenschildt were. I think the proof of this is the omission of the name of the best man in the Pierson wedding, as the inclusion of it and questions about the man and DeMohrenschildt's relationship with him, most likely would have revealed too much about DeMohrenschildt's activities during WWII. http://books.google.com/books?id=8eACAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=%22He+admitted+to+having+worked+for+French+counterintelligence,+and+had+contacts+in+Polish,+Finnish,+and+German+intelligence+agencies*%22&source=bl&ots=a5dnzxks17&sig=RnNuIkq0H9UbX44Nz1f4Zb30ATw&hl=en&ei=nljVTrGbHI2btwfj9bSqAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22He%20admitted%20to%20having%20worked%20for%20French%20counterintelligence%2C%20and%20had%20contacts%20in%20Polish%2C%20Finnish%2C%20and%20German%20intelligence%20agencies*%22&f=true New York Magazine - Mar 6, 1978 - Google Books Result ...Vol. 11, No. 10 - 88 pages - Magazine He admitted to having worked for French counterintelligence, and had contacts in Polish, Finnish, and German intelligence agencies. He had also been ... I never found out who he was really working for. DeMohrenschildt's best man, Wrede, was considered a member of a hostile Finnish legation: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13941&view=findpost&p=172405 http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/F...&isize=textUnited States Department of State / Foreign relations of the United States diplomatic papers, 1942. Europe Volume II (1942) Finland, pp. 21-122 I took the opportunity then to inquire of Mr. Solanko as to the present whereabouts of Mr. Wrede, an Attaché Page 23 of the Legation, who, so far as I knew, has spent very few days in Washington since his arrival in the United States. Mr. Solanko said that the Legation had already gotten in touch with Mr. Wrede who was in New York and had instructed him to return to Washington immediately. I did not suggest that the Legation might countermand this instruction so as to permit Mr. Wrede to return at a later date as in the case of Mr. Mikkola. Mr. Solanko inquired whether we are acquainted with the precise details of Finnish restrictions upon the movements of American consular and diplomatic personnel in Finland. I said that I was not but that from what I knew of those restrictions they were similar in effect to those communicated to the Finnish Legation in its note under reference. We did not discuss this matter further..... What influence would make a woman so partisan she could not support her own son-in-law's campaign for the office of U.S. president? You should be able to discern quite a lot about any person by learning more about the friends they have chosen. In this sense, Oswald, DeMohrenschildt and JFK were all riddles in the most elaborate charade in U.S. history of criminal investigations. You've been fed leading and softball questions all day by Accardo/Crown stooge Albert Jenner and you write that you are weary from it, so what better way to relax that evening (with no complaint), than by cooperating in an unethical Q&A with a WC commissioner, Allen Dulles? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1efcipXi_U0J:www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/pdf/HSCA_Vol12_deMohren.pdf+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=usHSCA Volume XII: George de Mohrenschildt Page 176 222 We wondered why the Committee paid so much attention to the testimonies of people who had known Lee and Marina in Dallas, long before the assassi- nation or others who had known him long before that? And the answer was - just to fill uo the pages and tranquillized American populace. Jeanne dispute with Mrs. Hugh Auchincloss, Jacqueline Kennedy's mother in the evening when we finished our deposition . .9eanne asked her:"why don'}, you, the relatives of our beloved President, you who so wealthy, why don't you conduct a real investigation as to who was the rat who killed him?" "But the rat was your friend Lee Harvey Oavald," was the cold answer. Thus the mind of not only the membefs of the Committee but of President' family were all made up. Jenner kept asking me constantly - "why did Oavald like you and didn't like anybody else?" As if there was some homosexual likk between us.... "I don't have the slightest idea, maybe because I liked him.. ." "Maybe he liked you because you were a strong person?" Jenner asked agaiq intimating that maybe a was a "wolf" or a devil influencing him to do evil."Maybe he identified you as an internationalist?" Intimating again some dark connections I might have. "Maybe," I answered . "I am no admirer of any particular flag." "You and your wife were the only ones who remained his friends? Con- Page 177 tinued Jenner his line of inquiry. This question was akked of both of us. And we answered both in about the same terms:"to us they were warm, open, young people, responsive to our hospitality ." 223 Albert Jenner the brought to my attention part of a letter I wrote to Mrs. Auchincloss from Haiti. He used this as my admission of Lee's guilt, and I had explained already under what circumstances this letter was written. "since we lived in Dallas we had the misfortune to have met Lee Harvey Osvald and his wife Marina. I do hope that Marina and her children (now she has two by Lee) will not suffer too badly through life d tha the s gma of the assassination will not affect her and the innocent children ." This was my foolish letter and my speculation, not Jeanne's. And again, after the impact of this letter read to me, Jenner very cleverly mamboozled me into a possible motive of Lee's guilt. "The only reason for Lee's criminal act," I continued, "would be that he might have been jealous of a young, rich, attractive presidentwho had a beautiful wife and was a world figure . Lee was just the opposite ; his wife was bitchy and he was a failure." Page 178 224 Now, away from the pressures of the Committee, I consider this state- ment of mine most unfair. It would not have made him a here to have shot a liberal and beloved president, especially beloved by the minorities, and Marina was not such a bitch, while Jacqueline was not so beautiful . Especially she was not beautiful inside when she married that gangster of international shippin Aristotle Onessis . If you read the Warren Report, there is another leading question by Jenner:"as a humanitarian person you cannot imagine anyone murdering ano- ther person?" A childish, naive question, m f course . "I cannot imagine doing it myself," I answered equally supidly, but at least I did not express opinion about Lee's guilt. Lee, an ex-Marine, trained for organized murder, was capable of killing) but for a very strong ideological motive or in self-derence. But a few more words about my letter to Mrs . Auchinclosa, Mrs. Kenne- dy's mother . The copies of these letters were given Warren Committee by Allen Dulles, her close friend, as well as the copies of her letters to me. On January 29, 1964 she wrote to me :"it seems extraordinary,that you knew Lee Harvey Osvald and Jacqueline as a child . It ceitainly is a strange world . And I hope, like you do, that Lee Harvey Osvald's innocent children Page 179 ....Very tired by our testimonies, we were invited after our ordeal to the luxurious house of Jacqueline Kennedy's mother and her step-father, Mr. Hugh Auchincloss. This luxurious home was located in Georgetown and Auchlncloss' money originated of somm association of Hugh's family with John D. Rockefeller, Sr, of the oil fame. We spoke about another coinci- dence in our lives. I flew one day from Dallas to Washington and Mrs. Hu3h Auchincloss happened to be on the same plane. She was flying from some health-farm in Phenix, Arizona, where rich women stay on a diet, ex- ercie and put themselves in an acceptable shape Again. This was the year of presidential election and Mrs. Auchincloss, a staunch republican was for Nixon and was sure than her son-in-law, JFK, did not have the slight- est chance to win the elections. I, on the other side, was sure that Kennedy would win the elections and was going to vote democratic for the first time. I told her that the mood of the country was for her charming son-in- law, and she answered that I did not tnmderstand American politics ... Eventually, we had to talk sadly about the assassination. Allan Dulles was there also and he asked me a few astute questions about Lee. One of them was, I remember, did Lee have a reason of hating President Kennedy? However, when I answered that he was rather an admirer of the dead President, everyone took my answer with a grain of salt . Again the overwhelming opinion was that Lee was the sole assassin. I was still thinking of poor Lee, comparing his life with the life of these multi-millionnaires . I tried to reason - to no avail . It seemed to me that I was facing a conspiracy, a conspiracy of stubborness and si- lence.... Werner Von Alvensleben's father was imprisoned in 1934 and nearly executed by the Nazis. The Werner Von Alvensleben who hosted Byrd in Africa, died in Portugal in 1998. It is said he was briefly a prisoner of war, but escaped by digging under an electrified fence. It is also written that the younger von Alvensleben was an OSS agent. He died in Portugal in 1998. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_von_Alvensleben ...In 1909 he married Alexandra Gräfin von Einsiedel (1888-1947). Three daughters, Alexandra, Armgard and Anna Caroline Harriet were born to this marriage, as well as a son named Werner.... https://www.google.com/search?q=brian+marsh+oss+Werner+Von+Alvensleben+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#pq=%22werner+von+alvensleben%22+%22consulate+general%2C+categorizing+the+various+documents%2C+%22&hl=en&ds=bo&cp=27&gs_id=ug&xhr=t&q=%22Werner+von+Alvensleben%22+%22*%22&tok=lbo1EVJr9uTWWxJTH3E8_Q&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&tbm=bks&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=%22Werner+von+Alvensleben%22+%22*%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3fa79b40380ca6a5&biw=1280&bih=781&bs=1 The SS, alibi of a nation, 1922-1945 - Page 68 books.google.com Gerald Reitlinger - 1989 - 528 pages - Preview Schleicher used the same intermediary to approach Roehm as he had used to approach the army for a coup against Hitler in January 1933, a certain Werner von Alvensleben, whom Hitler referred to as 'Herr von A'. . http://www.amazon.com/Baron-Africa-Remarkable-Adventures-Unusual/dp/1571570675 Baron in Africa: The Remarkable Adventures of an ... www.amazon.com › Books › Biographies & Memoirs Werner von Alvensleben came from a long line of German aristocrats, yet far ...Imprisoned in Zimbabwe during World War II, he escaped by digging underneath an electric fence in the rain and made his way ... http://books.google.com/books?id=XEPKTdIFm-IC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=He+had+been+working+on+dangerous+missions+for+the+OSS+during+the+war+and+was+now+at+loose+ends.&source=bl&ots=NC3NN886MP&sig=gqw5qLYl0UyK5kVZw9Yg7u1oPAc&hl=en&ei=3WDVTqjqFc6ctwez7_T6AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=He%20had%20been%20working%20on%20dangerous%20missions%20for%20the%20OSS%20during%20the%20war%20and%20was%20now%20at%20loose%20ends.&f=false Fragments of our time: memoirs of a diplomat - Page 46 books.google.com Martin Joseph Hillenbrand - 1998 - 414 pages - Preview I obviously needed help and was fortunate to be able to enlist the services of Werner von Alvensleben, a white hunter and political refugee from Nazi Germany, who had been condemned to death in absentia. He had been working on dangerous missions for the OSS during the war and was now at loose ends. It turned out to be an association that was to lead us, when we arrived in postwar Germany, to some of the best and most enduring friendships of our lives. Werner worked untiringly, going through the archives of the consulate general, categorizing the various documents, and separating the wheat from the chaff. Some identified individuals and organizations with Nazi affiliations, both in Mozambique and in South Africa. I dutifully sent the interesting items back to Washington, but I never found out if they had served any useful purpose. I could not be surprised at the degree of South African involvement; many Boers seemed to have a natural affinity for the German cause. Our association with Werner and his lovely Portuguese wife, Bibla, caused some problems with the English and South African community in Lourenijo Marques. After all, he was a German, and no matter what his wartime record, it was not cricket to use him as we were doing. At first, the consul general joined us in efforts to rehabilitate him and his wife socially, but when the protests started, he quickly retreated, leaving Faith and me to take the flack. In any event, our time in Africa was coming to an ... http://books.google.com/books?id=eIMQIQGpVKoC&pg=PA105&dq=Werner+von+Alvensleben+died+in+portugal&hl=en&ei=80zVTqDeMsaItwfarfWqAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Werner%20von%20Alvensleben%20died%20in%20portugal&f=false The winds of havoc: a memoir of adventure and destruction in ... - Page 105 books.google.comAdelino Serras Pires, Fiona Claire Capstick - 2001 - 265 pages - Preview over the entire field management of a company called Safarilandia from the controversial Werner von Alvensleben, the "Baron" who ... German-born Von Alvensleben, who died in Portugal in 1998, arrived in Mozambique under highly dramatic Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the ... - Page 138 At the end of his testimony to the Warren Commisssion, de Mohrenschildt had received an extraordinary invitation from, as he put it in the book he was writing at the time of his death in 1977, “Jacqueline Kennedy’s mother and her stepfather, Mr Hugh Auchincloss,” to dine at their home in Georgetown. Apart from the Auchinclosses and de Mohrenschildt's wife, Jeanne, the only other known guest was the former CIA chief Allen Dulles. They talked about the assassination; at one point, Janet Auchincloss wept and embraced Jeanne de Mohrenschildt; later Dulles asked him a few astute questions about Lee (Harvey Oswald).” But as he was leaving that evening, Janet dropped her hostess’s charm and told him coldly: “Incidentally, my daughter Jacqueline never wants to see you again because you were close to her husband’s assassin.” I haven't mustered the enthusiasm to comment on the Archives of Willem Oltmans, I wouldn't believe a damn thing he said, so why would I be interested in what he wrote? Read what Dick Russell wrote about GDM's trip to Europe with Willem,and you might see what I am getting at..... BTW Has anyone looked into Oswald's subscription to Time Magazine, it expired in early December 1963.... The WC was so interested in.....how much money he was in possession of at the time, or some other reason that there are a couple of WC Documents where Time Magazine was contacted regarding this..... He wasn't making much money to be subscribing to Time Magazine, what with Marina and the kids and all..... What would a poor ex-Marine be doing reading Time Magazine, and why would it matter how much money he was making in July 1962? I'm asking for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Robert, Just as in the investigation of Oswald, I do not think the WC intended to make it plain what the actual political sentiments and commitments of DeMohrenschildt were. I think the proof of this is the omission of the name of the best man in the Pierson wedding, as the inclusion of it and questions about the man and DeMohrenschildt's relationship with him, most likely would have revealed too much about DeMohrenschildt's activities during WWII. http://books.google....cies*%22&f=true New York Magazine - Mar 6, 1978 - Google Books Result ...Vol. 11, No. 10 - 88 pages - Magazine He admitted to having worked for French counterintelligence, and had contacts in Polish, Finnish, and German intelligence agencies. He had also been ... I never found out who he was really working for. DeMohrenschildt's best man, Wrede, was considered a member of a hostile Finnish legation: http://educationforu...ndpost&p=172405 http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/F...&isize=textUnited States Department of State / Foreign relations of the United States diplomatic papers, 1942. Europe Volume II (1942) Finland, pp. 21-122 I took the opportunity then to inquire of Mr. Solanko as to the present whereabouts of Mr. Wrede, an Attaché Page 23 of the Legation, who, so far as I knew, has spent very few days in Washington since his arrival in the United States. Mr. Solanko said that the Legation had already gotten in touch with Mr. Wrede who was in New York and had instructed him to return to Washington immediately. I did not suggest that the Legation might countermand this instruction so as to permit Mr. Wrede to return at a later date as in the case of Mr. Mikkola. Mr. Solanko inquired whether we are acquainted with the precise details of Finnish restrictions upon the movements of American consular and diplomatic personnel in Finland. I said that I was not but that from what I knew of those restrictions they were similar in effect to those communicated to the Finnish Legation in its note under reference. We did not discuss this matter further..... What influence would make a woman so partisan she could not support her own son-in-law's campaign for the office of U.S. president? You should be able to discern quite a lot about any person by learning more about the friends they have chosen. In this sense, Oswald, DeMohrenschildt and JFK were all riddles in the most elaborate charade in U.S. history of criminal investigations. You've been fed leading and softball questions all day by Accardo/Crown stooge Albert Jenner and you write that you are weary from it, so what better way to relax that evening (with no complaint), than by cooperating in an unethical Q&A with a WC commissioner, Allen Dulles? http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=usHSCA Volume XII: George de Mohrenschildt Page 176 222 We wondered why the Committee paid so much attention to the testimonies of people who had known Lee and Marina in Dallas, long before the assassi- nation or others who had known him long before that? And the answer was - just to fill uo the pages and tranquillized American populace. Jeanne dispute with Mrs. Hugh Auchincloss, Jacqueline Kennedy's mother in the evening when we finished our deposition . .9eanne asked her:"why don'}, you, the relatives of our beloved President, you who so wealthy, why don't you conduct a real investigation as to who was the rat who killed him?" "But the rat was your friend Lee Harvey Oavald," was the cold answer. Thus the mind of not only the membefs of the Committee but of President' family were all made up. Jenner kept asking me constantly - "why did Oavald like you and didn't like anybody else?" As if there was some homosexual likk between us.... "I don't have the slightest idea, maybe because I liked him.. ." "Maybe he liked you because you were a strong person?" Jenner asked agaiq intimating that maybe a was a "wolf" or a devil influencing him to do evil."Maybe he identified you as an internationalist?" Intimating again some dark connections I might have. "Maybe," I answered . "I am no admirer of any particular flag." "You and your wife were the only ones who remained his friends? Con- Page 177 tinued Jenner his line of inquiry. This question was akked of both of us. And we answered both in about the same terms:"to us they were warm, open, young people, responsive to our hospitality ." 223 Albert Jenner the brought to my attention part of a letter I wrote to Mrs. Auchincloss from Haiti. He used this as my admission of Lee's guilt, and I had explained already under what circumstances this letter was written. "since we lived in Dallas we had the misfortune to have met Lee Harvey Osvald and his wife Marina. I do hope that Marina and her children (now she has two by Lee) will not suffer too badly through life d tha the s gma of the assassination will not affect her and the innocent children ." This was my foolish letter and my speculation, not Jeanne's. And again, after the impact of this letter read to me, Jenner very cleverly mamboozled me into a possible motive of Lee's guilt. "The only reason for Lee's criminal act," I continued, "would be that he might have been jealous of a young, rich, attractive presidentwho had a beautiful wife and was a world figure . Lee was just the opposite ; his wife was bitchy and he was a failure." Page 178 224 Now, away from the pressures of the Committee, I consider this state- ment of mine most unfair. It would not have made him a here to have shot a liberal and beloved president, especially beloved by the minorities, and Marina was not such a bitch, while Jacqueline was not so beautiful . Especially she was not beautiful inside when she married that gangster of international shippin Aristotle Onessis . If you read the Warren Report, there is another leading question by Jenner:"as a humanitarian person you cannot imagine anyone murdering ano- ther person?" A childish, naive question, m f course . "I cannot imagine doing it myself," I answered equally supidly, but at least I did not express opinion about Lee's guilt. Lee, an ex-Marine, trained for organized murder, was capable of killing) but for a very strong ideological motive or in self-derence. But a few more words about my letter to Mrs . Auchinclosa, Mrs. Kenne- dy's mother . The copies of these letters were given Warren Committee by Allen Dulles, her close friend, as well as the copies of her letters to me. On January 29, 1964 she wrote to me :"it seems extraordinary,that you knew Lee Harvey Osvald and Jacqueline as a child . It ceitainly is a strange world . And I hope, like you do, that Lee Harvey Osvald's innocent children Page 179 ....Very tired by our testimonies, we were invited after our ordeal to the luxurious house of Jacqueline Kennedy's mother and her step-father, Mr. Hugh Auchincloss. This luxurious home was located in Georgetown and Auchlncloss' money originated of somm association of Hugh's family with John D. Rockefeller, Sr, of the oil fame. We spoke about another coinci- dence in our lives. I flew one day from Dallas to Washington and Mrs. Hu3h Auchincloss happened to be on the same plane. She was flying from some health-farm in Phenix, Arizona, where rich women stay on a diet, ex- ercie and put themselves in an acceptable shape Again. This was the year of presidential election and Mrs. Auchincloss, a staunch republican was for Nixon and was sure than her son-in-law, JFK, did not have the slight- est chance to win the elections. I, on the other side, was sure that Kennedy would win the elections and was going to vote democratic for the first time. I told her that the mood of the country was for her charming son-in- law, and she answered that I did not tnmderstand American politics ... Eventually, we had to talk sadly about the assassination. Allan Dulles was there also and he asked me a few astute questions about Lee. One of them was, I remember, did Lee have a reason of hating President Kennedy? However, when I answered that he was rather an admirer of the dead President, everyone took my answer with a grain of salt . Again the overwhelming opinion was that Lee was the sole assassin. I was still thinking of poor Lee, comparing his life with the life of these multi-millionnaires . I tried to reason - to no avail . It seemed to me that I was facing a conspiracy, a conspiracy of stubborness and si- lence.... Werner Von Alvensleben's father was imprisoned in 1934 and nearly executed by the Nazis. The Werner Von Alvensleben who hosted Byrd in Africa, died in Portugal in 1998. It is said he was briefly a prisoner of war, but escaped by digging under an electrified fence. It is also written that the younger von Alvensleben was an OSS agent. He died in Portugal in 1998. http://en.wikipedia....von_Alvensleben ...In 1909 he married Alexandra Gräfin von Einsiedel (1888-1947). Three daughters, Alexandra, Armgard and Anna Caroline Harriet were born to this marriage, as well as a son named Werner.... https://www.google.c...80&bih=781&bs=1 The SS, alibi of a nation, 1922-1945 - Page 68 books.google.com Gerald Reitlinger - 1989 - 528 pages - Preview Schleicher used the same intermediary to approach Roehm as he had used to approach the army for a coup against Hitler in January 1933, a certain Werner von Alvensleben, whom Hitler referred to as 'Herr von A'. . http://www.amazon.co...l/dp/1571570675 Baron in Africa: The Remarkable Adventures of an ... www.amazon.com › Books › Biographies & Memoirs Werner von Alvensleben came from a long line of German aristocrats, yet far ...Imprisoned in Zimbabwe during World War II, he escaped by digging underneath an electric fence in the rain and made his way ... http://books.google....20ends.&f=false Fragments of our time: memoirs of a diplomat - Page 46 books.google.com Martin Joseph Hillenbrand - 1998 - 414 pages - Preview I obviously needed help and was fortunate to be able to enlist the services of Werner von Alvensleben, a white hunter and political refugee from Nazi Germany, who had been condemned to death in absentia. He had been working on dangerous missions for the OSS during the war and was now at loose ends. It turned out to be an association that was to lead us, when we arrived in postwar Germany, to some of the best and most enduring friendships of our lives. Werner worked untiringly, going through the archives of the consulate general, categorizing the various documents, and separating the wheat from the chaff. Some identified individuals and organizations with Nazi affiliations, both in Mozambique and in South Africa. I dutifully sent the interesting items back to Washington, but I never found out if they had served any useful purpose. I could not be surprised at the degree of South African involvement; many Boers seemed to have a natural affinity for the German cause. Our association with Werner and his lovely Portuguese wife, Bibla, caused some problems with the English and South African community in Lourenijo Marques. After all, he was a German, and no matter what his wartime record, it was not cricket to use him as we were doing. At first, the consul general joined us in efforts to rehabilitate him and his wife socially, but when the protests started, he quickly retreated, leaving Faith and me to take the flack. In any event, our time in Africa was coming to an ... http://books.google....ortugal&f=false The winds of havoc: a memoir of adventure and destruction in ... - Page 105 books.google.comAdelino Serras Pires, Fiona Claire Capstick - 2001 - 265 pages - Preview over the entire field management of a company called Safarilandia from the controversial Werner von Alvensleben, the "Baron" who ... German-born Von Alvensleben, who died in Portugal in 1998, arrived in Mozambique under highly dramatic Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the ... - Page 138 At the end of his testimony to the Warren Commisssion, de Mohrenschildt had received an extraordinary invitation from, as he put it in the book he was writing at the time of his death in 1977, "Jacqueline Kennedy's mother and her stepfather, Mr Hugh Auchincloss," to dine at their home in Georgetown. Apart from the Auchinclosses and de Mohrenschildt's wife, Jeanne, the only other known guest was the former CIA chief Allen Dulles. They talked about the assassination; at one point, Janet Auchincloss wept and embraced Jeanne de Mohrenschildt; later Dulles asked him a few astute questions about Lee (Harvey Oswald)." But as he was leaving that evening, Janet dropped her hostess's charm and told him coldly: "Incidentally, my daughter Jacqueline never wants to see you again because you were close to her husband's assassin." I haven't mustered the enthusiasm to comment on the Archives of Willem Oltmans, I wouldn't believe a damn thing he said, so why would I be interested in what he wrote? Read what Dick Russell wrote about GDM's trip to Europe with Willem,and you might see what I am getting at..... BTW Has anyone looked into Oswald's subscription to Time Magazine, it expired in early December 1963.... The WC was so interested in.....how much money he was in possession of at the time, or some other reason that there are a couple of WC Documents where Time Magazine was contacted regarding this..... He wasn't making much money to be subscribing to Time Magazine, what with Marina and the kids and all..... What would a poor ex-Marine be doing reading Time Magazine, and why would it matter how much money he was making in July 1962? I'm asking for a reason Robert, One reason to subscribe to Time was so that they - Time-Life - Luce et al - had his address. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Robert, Just as in the investigation of Oswald, I do not think the WC intended to make it plain what the actual political sentiments and commitments of DeMohrenschildt were. I think the proof of this is the omission of the name of the best man in the Pierson wedding, as the inclusion of it and questions about the man and DeMohrenschildt's relationship with him, most likely would have revealed too much about DeMohrenschildt's activities during WWII. http://books.google....cies*%22&f=true New York Magazine - Mar 6, 1978 - Google Books Result ...Vol. 11, No. 10 - 88 pages - Magazine He admitted to having worked for French counterintelligence, and had contacts in Polish, Finnish, and German intelligence agencies. He had also been ... I never found out who he was really working for. DeMohrenschildt's best man, Wrede, was considered a member of a hostile Finnish legation: http://educationforu...ndpost&p=172405 http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/F...&isize=textUnited States Department of State / Foreign relations of the United States diplomatic papers, 1942. Europe Volume II (1942) Finland, pp. 21-122 I took the opportunity then to inquire of Mr. Solanko as to the present whereabouts of Mr. Wrede, an Attaché Page 23 of the Legation, who, so far as I knew, has spent very few days in Washington since his arrival in the United States. Mr. Solanko said that the Legation had already gotten in touch with Mr. Wrede who was in New York and had instructed him to return to Washington immediately. I did not suggest that the Legation might countermand this instruction so as to permit Mr. Wrede to return at a later date as in the case of Mr. Mikkola. Mr. Solanko inquired whether we are acquainted with the precise details of Finnish restrictions upon the movements of American consular and diplomatic personnel in Finland. I said that I was not but that from what I knew of those restrictions they were similar in effect to those communicated to the Finnish Legation in its note under reference. We did not discuss this matter further..... What influence would make a woman so partisan she could not support her own son-in-law's campaign for the office of U.S. president? You should be able to discern quite a lot about any person by learning more about the friends they have chosen. In this sense, Oswald, DeMohrenschildt and JFK were all riddles in the most elaborate charade in U.S. history of criminal investigations. You've been fed leading and softball questions all day by Accardo/Crown stooge Albert Jenner and you write that you are weary from it, so what better way to relax that evening (with no complaint), than by cooperating in an unethical Q&A with a WC commissioner, Allen Dulles? http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=usHSCA Volume XII: George de Mohrenschildt Page 176 222 We wondered why the Committee paid so much attention to the testimonies of people who had known Lee and Marina in Dallas, long before the assassi- nation or others who had known him long before that? And the answer was - just to fill uo the pages and tranquillized American populace. Jeanne dispute with Mrs. Hugh Auchincloss, Jacqueline Kennedy's mother in the evening when we finished our deposition . .9eanne asked her:"why don'}, you, the relatives of our beloved President, you who so wealthy, why don't you conduct a real investigation as to who was the rat who killed him?" "But the rat was your friend Lee Harvey Oavald," was the cold answer. Thus the mind of not only the membefs of the Committee but of President' family were all made up. Jenner kept asking me constantly - "why did Oavald like you and didn't like anybody else?" As if there was some homosexual likk between us.... "I don't have the slightest idea, maybe because I liked him.. ." "Maybe he liked you because you were a strong person?" Jenner asked agaiq intimating that maybe a was a "wolf" or a devil influencing him to do evil."Maybe he identified you as an internationalist?" Intimating again some dark connections I might have. "Maybe," I answered . "I am no admirer of any particular flag." "You and your wife were the only ones who remained his friends? Con- Page 177 tinued Jenner his line of inquiry. This question was akked of both of us. And we answered both in about the same terms:"to us they were warm, open, young people, responsive to our hospitality ." 223 Albert Jenner the brought to my attention part of a letter I wrote to Mrs. Auchincloss from Haiti. He used this as my admission of Lee's guilt, and I had explained already under what circumstances this letter was written. "since we lived in Dallas we had the misfortune to have met Lee Harvey Osvald and his wife Marina. I do hope that Marina and her children (now she has two by Lee) will not suffer too badly through life d tha the s gma of the assassination will not affect her and the innocent children ." This was my foolish letter and my speculation, not Jeanne's. And again, after the impact of this letter read to me, Jenner very cleverly mamboozled me into a possible motive of Lee's guilt. "The only reason for Lee's criminal act," I continued, "would be that he might have been jealous of a young, rich, attractive presidentwho had a beautiful wife and was a world figure . Lee was just the opposite ; his wife was bitchy and he was a failure." Page 178 224 Now, away from the pressures of the Committee, I consider this state- ment of mine most unfair. It would not have made him a here to have shot a liberal and beloved president, especially beloved by the minorities, and Marina was not such a bitch, while Jacqueline was not so beautiful . Especially she was not beautiful inside when she married that gangster of international shippin Aristotle Onessis . If you read the Warren Report, there is another leading question by Jenner:"as a humanitarian person you cannot imagine anyone murdering ano- ther person?" A childish, naive question, m f course . "I cannot imagine doing it myself," I answered equally supidly, but at least I did not express opinion about Lee's guilt. Lee, an ex-Marine, trained for organized murder, was capable of killing) but for a very strong ideological motive or in self-derence. But a few more words about my letter to Mrs . Auchinclosa, Mrs. Kenne- dy's mother . The copies of these letters were given Warren Committee by Allen Dulles, her close friend, as well as the copies of her letters to me. On January 29, 1964 she wrote to me :"it seems extraordinary,that you knew Lee Harvey Osvald and Jacqueline as a child . It ceitainly is a strange world . And I hope, like you do, that Lee Harvey Osvald's innocent children Page 179 ....Very tired by our testimonies, we were invited after our ordeal to the luxurious house of Jacqueline Kennedy's mother and her step-father, Mr. Hugh Auchincloss. This luxurious home was located in Georgetown and Auchlncloss' money originated of somm association of Hugh's family with John D. Rockefeller, Sr, of the oil fame. We spoke about another coinci- dence in our lives. I flew one day from Dallas to Washington and Mrs. Hu3h Auchincloss happened to be on the same plane. She was flying from some health-farm in Phenix, Arizona, where rich women stay on a diet, ex- ercie and put themselves in an acceptable shape Again. This was the year of presidential election and Mrs. Auchincloss, a staunch republican was for Nixon and was sure than her son-in-law, JFK, did not have the slight- est chance to win the elections. I, on the other side, was sure that Kennedy would win the elections and was going to vote democratic for the first time. I told her that the mood of the country was for her charming son-in- law, and she answered that I did not tnmderstand American politics ... Eventually, we had to talk sadly about the assassination. Allan Dulles was there also and he asked me a few astute questions about Lee. One of them was, I remember, did Lee have a reason of hating President Kennedy? However, when I answered that he was rather an admirer of the dead President, everyone took my answer with a grain of salt . Again the overwhelming opinion was that Lee was the sole assassin. I was still thinking of poor Lee, comparing his life with the life of these multi-millionnaires . I tried to reason - to no avail . It seemed to me that I was facing a conspiracy, a conspiracy of stubborness and si- lence.... Werner Von Alvensleben's father was imprisoned in 1934 and nearly executed by the Nazis. The Werner Von Alvensleben who hosted Byrd in Africa, died in Portugal in 1998. It is said he was briefly a prisoner of war, but escaped by digging under an electrified fence. It is also written that the younger von Alvensleben was an OSS agent. He died in Portugal in 1998. http://en.wikipedia....von_Alvensleben ...In 1909 he married Alexandra Gräfin von Einsiedel (1888-1947). Three daughters, Alexandra, Armgard and Anna Caroline Harriet were born to this marriage, as well as a son named Werner.... https://www.google.c...80&bih=781&bs=1 The SS, alibi of a nation, 1922-1945 - Page 68 books.google.com Gerald Reitlinger - 1989 - 528 pages - Preview Schleicher used the same intermediary to approach Roehm as he had used to approach the army for a coup against Hitler in January 1933, a certain Werner von Alvensleben, whom Hitler referred to as 'Herr von A'. . http://www.amazon.co...l/dp/1571570675 Baron in Africa: The Remarkable Adventures of an ... www.amazon.com › Books › Biographies & Memoirs Werner von Alvensleben came from a long line of German aristocrats, yet far ...Imprisoned in Zimbabwe during World War II, he escaped by digging underneath an electric fence in the rain and made his way ... http://books.google....20ends.&f=false Fragments of our time: memoirs of a diplomat - Page 46 books.google.com Martin Joseph Hillenbrand - 1998 - 414 pages - Preview I obviously needed help and was fortunate to be able to enlist the services of Werner von Alvensleben, a white hunter and political refugee from Nazi Germany, who had been condemned to death in absentia. He had been working on dangerous missions for the OSS during the war and was now at loose ends. It turned out to be an association that was to lead us, when we arrived in postwar Germany, to some of the best and most enduring friendships of our lives. Werner worked untiringly, going through the archives of the consulate general, categorizing the various documents, and separating the wheat from the chaff. Some identified individuals and organizations with Nazi affiliations, both in Mozambique and in South Africa. I dutifully sent the interesting items back to Washington, but I never found out if they had served any useful purpose. I could not be surprised at the degree of South African involvement; many Boers seemed to have a natural affinity for the German cause. Our association with Werner and his lovely Portuguese wife, Bibla, caused some problems with the English and South African community in Lourenijo Marques. After all, he was a German, and no matter what his wartime record, it was not cricket to use him as we were doing. At first, the consul general joined us in efforts to rehabilitate him and his wife socially, but when the protests started, he quickly retreated, leaving Faith and me to take the flack. In any event, our time in Africa was coming to an ... http://books.google....ortugal&f=false The winds of havoc: a memoir of adventure and destruction in ... - Page 105 books.google.comAdelino Serras Pires, Fiona Claire Capstick - 2001 - 265 pages - Preview over the entire field management of a company called Safarilandia from the controversial Werner von Alvensleben, the "Baron" who ... German-born Von Alvensleben, who died in Portugal in 1998, arrived in Mozambique under highly dramatic Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the ... - Page 138 At the end of his testimony to the Warren Commisssion, de Mohrenschildt had received an extraordinary invitation from, as he put it in the book he was writing at the time of his death in 1977, "Jacqueline Kennedy's mother and her stepfather, Mr Hugh Auchincloss," to dine at their home in Georgetown. Apart from the Auchinclosses and de Mohrenschildt's wife, Jeanne, the only other known guest was the former CIA chief Allen Dulles. They talked about the assassination; at one point, Janet Auchincloss wept and embraced Jeanne de Mohrenschildt; later Dulles asked him a few astute questions about Lee (Harvey Oswald)." But as he was leaving that evening, Janet dropped her hostess's charm and told him coldly: "Incidentally, my daughter Jacqueline never wants to see you again because you were close to her husband's assassin." I haven't mustered the enthusiasm to comment on the Archives of Willem Oltmans, I wouldn't believe a damn thing he said, so why would I be interested in what he wrote? Read what Dick Russell wrote about GDM's trip to Europe with Willem,and you might see what I am getting at..... BTW Has anyone looked into Oswald's subscription to Time Magazine, it expired in early December 1963.... The WC was so interested in.....how much money he was in possession of at the time, or some other reason that there are a couple of WC Documents where Time Magazine was contacted regarding this..... He wasn't making much money to be subscribing to Time Magazine, what with Marina and the kids and all..... What would a poor ex-Marine be doing reading Time Magazine, and why would it matter how much money he was making in July 1962? I'm asking for a reason Robert, One reason to subscribe to Time was so that they - Time-Life - Luce et al - had his address. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) One reason to subscribe to Time was so that they - Time-Life - Luce et al - had his address. It's just cynical enough to be possible, with Oz smirking at the free subscription as a job perk. Tempting. Edited November 30, 2011 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Roy Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Just found this. D. H. Byrd in his CAP uniform: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Thanks stephen, good one, here are a few, showing some re info mentioned within John's post.fwtaw...take care b... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Message flagged Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:35:06 AM Joan Mellen, professor of English, Tulane University,on the role of Big Texas Oil and the career of one George Herbert Walker Poppy Doc CIA Head MoFo in Dallas on 22 November 1963 Bush "Among those who benefited immediately from the removal of President Kennedy and the ascendancy of Lyndon Johnson was a fabulously successful wildcatter named David Harold, also known as D.H. for “dry hole” Byrd. (Not all the holes, of course, were dry). Byrd's company LTV was about to go under. In early November, 1963, Byrd and a partner, James Ling, bought a sizable amount of outstanding LTV stock. Then LTV received the first defense contract from the Pentagon – for a fighter plane – accompanying the escalation of the war in Vietnam that was the direct result of the Kennedy assassination. Although that airplane was not ultimately built, LTV stock soared. As Byrd writes in his autobiography, “I've run fifty-two companies, many of them in no way connected with oil.” The man who brought George H. W. Bush west from Connecticut to Texas was named Neil Mallon, another of Byrd's partners. Other Texas companies saved by the Vietnam War were Halliburton and Brown and Root, which Halliburton had purchased in – 1962. The Browns, even Herman, who began by hating Lyndon's New Deal tendencies, were Johnson's primary financial benefactors, as Robert Caro has shown. It was through my own research into Jim Garrison's New Orleans investigation that I found a 1967 CIA document revealing that George Brown was a CIA asset, and none of the historians have noticed that. SOURCE: http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) This may be redundant, but I will post it in case there are some extra nuggets: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/may/02/20060502-103326-3519r/?page=2 Famed ‘Oswald window’ DALLAS They congregate here, almost every day, at Dealey Plaza -- pointing, squinting and photographing that window. Hundreds of thousands annually, from all over the world, want and get a personal memento of that tragic November 1963 day. "He was right there," said a young tourist from Japan last weekend, aiming his digital camera at the sixth-floor window on the southeast side of what used to be called the Texas School Book Depository building. "Right there, in that window, with his rifle resting on the window sill," said 16-year-old Ochi Taguchi to several travel companions, adding convincingly, "You can almost feel the presence." What sort of presence emanates from that building -- now the home of Dallas County government, its top two floors a museum -- it isn't because that is "the" window. The window that today depicts the spot where Lee Harvey Oswald sat poised with his cheap Mannlicher-Carcano rifle on Nov. 22, 1963, is, not the same one that Oswald leaned against to line up the deadly shots that killed President Kennedy. In fact, none of the original windows remain in the building -- once said to be more photographed than the Wall of China, the Eiffel Tower or other such attractions. All are gone, replaced with modern, more weather-friendly windows. Many windows were switched several years after the assassination as the building lay empty and dormant. After many tourists and JFK aficionados slipped inside and scraped off chunks or strips of several window frames, some from the rear of the building were switched to the front. Nobody ever kept a record of which windows ended up where. So if that isn't the window, where is the actual one? "It's either in Nashville with Aubrey Mayhew, or it's the one owned by the D. Harold Byrd family," said Gary Mack, curator of the acclaimed Sixth Floor Museum in Dealey Plaza. "We're not sure, because we haven't been able to scientifically examine what Mr. Mayhew has." Told of rumors that a third "Oswald window" might be out there, Mr. Mack replied: "Well, I hadn't heard about that before." The question of what happened to the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) windows is entwined in the building's history and the attitudes held by many civic leaders of Dallas after the JFK assassination. D. Harold Byrd, a wealthy oilman whose family accumulated a large portion of downtown Dallas property in the early 1900s, was heavily involved in behind-the-scenes Dallas politics. Among his other vast holdings, he owned the TSBD, buying it at auction in 1939 for $35,000. In 1963, he was leasing out most of it to publishing houses. After Kennedy's murder, many Dallas leaders hoped the nation and world would forget what happened here. More than one civic leader suggested the building be torn down. "If they don't show it on TV all the time, it won't be reminding everybody. Demolish it," cried one city council member. Finally, tired of the public squabbling, Mr. Byrd sold the building for $460,000 to Mr. Mayhew, a Nashville, Tenn., music producer. Mr. Mayhew came to town, promising that eventually his new building would house a JFK museum. He already had collected considerable Kennedy memorabilia and had others who wanted to co-sponsor the museum, he said. The Tennessean's ideas didn't set well with many locals, who shunned the new businessman and publicly berated his plans. He said the Dallas business establishment pressured a bank to foreclose on the deal, handing the building back to Mr. Byrd. Mr. Byrd told friends, including the president of the Dallas Morning News at the time, that he had quietly removed the southeast corner window and briefly stored it. Later he displayed it in his home, where it became the centerpiece of many social gatherings. Mr. Byrd's son, Caruth, took control of that window after his father's death. And it has been on display for years at the Sixth Floor Museum. But Mr. Mayhew, after abandoning his Dallas plans, announced from Nashville that he had had the window removed and had it stored safely in Nashville. Mr. Mayhew claims he still has his window in Tennessee. Recently, however, a third person has claimed that he has the "real" corner window from the book depository, stored in a local warehouse since he hired a crew to salvage it when the building's windows were replaced years ago. Farris Rookstool III, 45, a former FBI employee, said when he got word new windows were going to be installed, he contacted Dallas County officials -- the county had since bought the building from Mr. Byrd -- and was told he could have them all, if he would pay to have them hauled away. Aware that some of the windows had been switched over the years, Mr. Rookstool ordered his workers to gather all the windows from the building and deliver them to a Dallas warehouse. "I thought if I had them all, we could determine later scientifically, which was the specific one," he said. "Today, I couldn't walk in there and pick out the exact one," he added, "but there are many good photographs that will show marks that will make identification precise." He said he had never tried to sell his "Oswald window." What about the rival claims of Messrs. Byrd and Mayhew? The Byrd family had been assured by the colonel that his "Oswald window" had been removed before Mr. Mayhew ever visited Dallas. Mr. Mayhew isn't talking. He did not return phone calls seeking comment. Mr. Rookstool said Buddy McCool, the workman sent by Mr. Byrd to remove the Oswald window, removed the wrong one. "He was told to remove the one on the sixth floor, far right," he said. "Mr. Byrd, of course, meant the one on the right as one stood facing the building. Buddy McCool entered the sixth floor, walked toward the front and removed the one to his right." Mr. Mack has doubts the "real" window can ever be positively identified. "There are many, many good pictures," he said, "but I have the feeling that several of the windows might have been painted over. That would make identification much harder." He has been dealing by telephone with Mr. Mayhew over the years and says Mr. Mayhew tentatively agreed to let him travel to Nashville to view the window he claims he took from the TSBD, but he has changed his mind. "I'd sure like to examine what he has," said Mr. Mack. "I would, also," echoed Mr. Rookstool. If the actual window were identified, what would it be worth? Mr. Mack pointed to an article from the Dallas Observer, which quoted Mr. Mayhew in 1997 as saying he once told Sixth Floor officials he would sell them the window for $250,000. "If a Kennedy rocking chair sells for approximately $500,000 at auction, and there were 12 of them, who knows?" said Mr. Rookstool. Edited September 24, 2013 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Mack Royal is the son of legendary University of Texas football coach Darrell Royal (UT head coach 1957-1976; 2 national championships). Darrell Royal was personal friends with Lyndon Johnson, Clint Murchison, D.H. Byrd and a slew of other upper crust Texas power elite who were in the Lyndon Johnson inner circle. His son Mack Royal knew the children of the power elite of Texas. In fact he knew them and their families quite well. Mack Royal also used to work at the LBJ Library and he has a sharp interest in the JFK assassination. Mack Royal also told me he was there when the LBJ Library was taking steps to "slow Robert Caro down." They literally had meetings about this and that late Robert Hardesty was one of the ringleaders in this effort to subvert Caro and other researchers into LBJ: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/politics/robert-l-hardesty-speechwriter-for-johnson-dies-at-82.html?_r=0 Coach Royal and his wife were at the LBJ one time when Johnson was president. They remember D.H. Byrd flying his plane to the LBJ Ranch; LBJ telling them not to land because he was busy and had company, and D.H. Byrd over-riding the president of the USA and landing his plane anyhow. I guess that one little anecdote tells you a lot about the relationship of Lyndon Johnson and D.H. Byrd. Here are some excerpts from Mack Royal's book, which is a fascinating collection of his emails to friends. MACK ROYAL: I knew D. Harold Byrd..flew on his DC3 (orange and white with a snorting "Bevo" on the tail) and heard this story about him during that time.. My parents were at the LBJ ranch with Lyndon when D. Harold Byrd radioed the ranch and said he was landing. Lyndon told him NOT to land and Byrd replied, "I'm landing." which he did. Royal, Mack (2010-06-08). Fourteen Years on Fnord-L (Kindle Locations 8906-8911). Bozo Texino Press. Kindle Edition. This link tells about D. Harold Byrd owning the Texas School Book Depository Building. I knew old D. Harold Byrd. I ate supper at his house and flew on his plane. Later I met partners of Murchison. One of them became my "uncle" Bedford. Later I met the Murchisons. Coke-Anne Murchison is totally gorgeous, by the way. These folks were thick with LBJ. These folks are my folks. I met LBJ too, and drove his car, swam in his pool, visited the White House and got a tour of the FBI. I have a nodding acquaintance with Admiral Inman. So do you suppose I picked up a thing or two along the way? Duh. Royal, Mack (2010-06-08). Fourteen Years on Fnord-L (Kindle Locations 9120-9130). Bozo Texino Press. Kindle Edition. More about D. Harold Byrd. His cousins were Senator Harry Flood Byrd and Admiral Byrd of Antarctica fame. He started a company called Tempco which later became part of Ling Temco Vaught, which got a juicy contract out of the Viet Nam war. (TFX fighter plane) He was a conservative Dallas oil man who helped start the Civil Air Patrol. He took the "sniper's window" out of his building (Texas School Book Depository) after the assassination and hung it in his house! One of the panes had been replaced. By the way, Mac Wallace's prints were all over that room called the sniper's nest on the sixth floor. Billy Sol Estes said some stuff about Mac Wallace if you wanna look it up. Royal, Mack (2010-06-08). Fourteen Years on Fnord-L (Kindle Locations 9153-9165). Bozo Texino Press. Kindle Edition. Edited September 24, 2013 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) When D. H. Byrd maintained an office in the Tower Petroleum Building he had two photographs hung on his wall. They were photographs of a German World War I ace, named Col. Ernst Udet, who was credited with some 62 kills. After World War I ended, he even made it over to the United States to do some stunt-flying. He also was very close to Herman Goering, who swallowed cyanide before the Nuremberg gallows could take him. According to a Dallas Morning News article shortly before Udet's suicide, [D. H. Byrd was interviewed in the same article] where Byrd mentioned he had met Udet circa 1935, where it gets really bizarre. is that Byrd claimed that if it hadn't been for Udet's advice, Byrd would have been stuck in Czechoslovakia when the Nazi's invaded that country. The point, is that the Baron Alvensleben who did the social circuit with D H Byrd after being in Mozambique when JFK was assassinated wasn't the only person Byrd knew with family ties to famous, infamous or surprising persons whom were connected to Deutschland. In the book "I'm an Endangered Species," Byrd wrote "I agreed with Lindbergh's assessment of the threat represented by Hitler's new Luftwaffe. However, my close friend, Ernst Udet, who was on an intimate basis with many American pilots because of his exploits in the Cleveland Air Races between the two World Wars, but who was now a highly placed official in the Luftwaffe, held a minority position. "You guys are going to win," he said flatly. "The Fuhrer is building an air force to support the ground forces, but he just doesn't understand the true use of air power, like "Tooey" Spaatz and Eaker. You're going to knock our ears off." pps. 51-52. more later Edited April 14, 2015 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Guest_Robert Morrow_* More about D. Harold Byrd. His cousins were Senator Harry Flood Byrd and Admiral Byrd of Antarctica fame. He started a company called Tempco which later became part of Ling Temco Vaught, which got a juicy contract out of the Viet Nam war. (TFX fighter plane) He was a conservative Dallas oil man who helped start the Civil Air Patrol. He took the "sniper's window" out of his building (Texas School Book Depository) after the assassination and hung it in his house! One of the panes had been replaced. By the way, Mac Wallace's prints were all over that room called the sniper's nest on the sixth floor. Billy Sol Estes said some stuff about Mac Wallace if you wanna look it up. Royal, Mack (2010-06-08). Fourteen Years on Fnord-L (Kindle Locations 9153-9165). Bozo Texino Press. Kindle Edition. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GAAL Peter Dale Scott theorized in Deep Politics and the Death of JFK that the stock transactions of the major stockholders of LTV (Harold Byrd (owner TSBD), Troy Post (financier) and James Ling (businessman) engineer) were made with foreknowledge of the JFK assassination. ============================================================================ ------------- >>>>>>>>>> see http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16815&p=300521 post # 89 BYRD ONI CONNECTIONS == == for link http://educationforu...=20291&p=298381 see 4 below FERRIE RECRUITED OSWALD FOR ONI (FERRIE'S first CAP base was a NAVY airfield) and then (FERRIE HAD CONTINUED NAVY-ONI CONNECTIONS POST ASSASSINATION) ONI MONITORED ASSASSINATION per GRAVES ONI man (see post # 149 above) ONI wanted cremated OSWALD First of all, Mason Lankford’s father, John Mason Lankford Sr., was an employee of Temco in the early 1950s, suggesting a possible relationship with David Harold Byrd. POST OFFICE HOLMES ONI CONNECTION SEE POST # 88 above // SEE MOLINA SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR POST # 78 above tis threadONI worked with United fruit since the 1920. (BOOK LINK BELOW) Marguerite ONI connection via Uncle and husband and also the Amon Carter Family. (THESE CONNECTIONS SEE BELOW) ################ ################ ################ also see Husband Marguerite link http://quixoticjoust...rch-ekdahl.html also see Uncle Marguerite link http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21136&p=286218 ]]]]]]]]]] Marguerite Oswald worked as a receptionist for a Standard Fruit Company law firm.Marguerite Oswald's uncle's law partner did work for United Fruit. Marguerite Oswald's Uncle seems to have gotten Marguerite the receptionists job. Odd for Standard Fruit and United Fruit were until around WWIi were at loggerheads against each other. Could Marguerite Oswald been a United Fruit spy ? Marguerite worked in the home of AMON CARTER JR. Carter family connected to ONI via General Dynamics . Amon Carter SR. bio Besides American Airlines, he also was instrumental in General Dynamics and Bell Aircraft Corp. establishing plants near Fort Worth. Amon G. Carter Field was named for him in 1950. == SEE United Fruit / ONI connection below Anthropological Intelligence: The Deployment and Neglect ...https://books.google...isbn=0822389126 David H. Price - 2008 - Social ScienceThe U.S. O≈ce of Naval Intelligence (oni) secretly trained and deployed a ring of ... along the Gulf of Mexico coastlines of Mexico, British Honduras, and Belize. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] The TACA operation of guns to Central American dictators run by the State Department and the mafia predates the creation of the CIA. To help in the operation the State Department would tap ONI. Bill Weston's Spiders Web contends that the TSBD had a gun running operation.Ex Navy man Molina TSBD employee may have been part of this. Harold Byrd (owner TSBD building) was one of the three major owners of LTV. LTV was trying to develop a sea torpedo to air weapon system. ONI would have been all over any of the LTV owners. First of all, Mason Lankford’s father, John Mason Lankford Sr., was an employee of Temco in the early 1950s, suggesting a possible relationship with David Harold Byrd.(Lankford Jr ONI) Harold Bird sat on the board of Dorchester Gas with Jack Crichton of Empire Trust. Empire Trust's private intelligence service had ONI connections. POST OFFICE HOLMES ONI CONNECTION SEE POST # 88 above this thread http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16815&p=300521 ONI worked with United fruit since the 1920. Marguerite ONI connection via Uncle , husband and also the Amon Carter Family ]]]] It may be that ONI man Holmes is watching/reporting on in real time a CIA assassination operation run out of the ONI/TSBD building. (GAAL) The shooting out of the TSBD is a classic example of covert operation compartmentalization. Edited April 15, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Bump for relevance to current threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 9/15/2009 at 9:26 PM, William Kelly said: Hello Peter, While the information about Byrd in Florida is new to me, I was aware of Byrd's safari and safari partners, which were discussed in detail in another thread. I think the guys he was on the safari with were Nazis or otherwise connected to something worthwhile pursing, if you are hunting the truth. That's a great photo of LBJ and Byrd in the stands at a sporting event. Was that a Dallas Cowgirl's football game? Byrd's private national intelligence network - the Civil Air Patrol, and its New Orleans connections certainly tie these people together with Ferrie, Bannister, Shaw, et al., but I don't think those Yahoos were behind what happened at Dealey Plaza, while Byrd's personal relationships with Art Collins, General LeMay and the Joint Chiefs is hotter and closer to the strategic center of the 11/22/63 coup. It wasn't the Yahoos - Ferrie, Banister and Shaw who put together Oswald and Dealey Plaza, though Byrd was associated with them and their networks via CAP, it was Byrd's connections with Art Collins, LeMay and the JCS at JMWAVE that cuts to the heart of not only the assassination at Dealey Plaza, but the coup that took over the government. When Admiral Byrd was exploring the artic, his radio communications were only picked up by the home made short wave radio of a young kid Art Colllins built his own radio in his garage, which began his association with the Navy and military, so when WWII came along, his small Cedar Rapids, Iowa radio company got military contracts that continued after the war. Collins Radio had exclusive contracts to provide radios for all Strategic Air Command bombers, Air Force I and all executive aircraft, as well as NASA communications in outer space and the Moon. With Byrd owning the building, Collins running the AF1 communicaitons and LeMay controlling the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they pretty much had things covered in the first few hours of the coup. I just can't figure out what Oswald had to do with it? (Ha ha). BK After Jim D started the CIA in the TSBD thread I thought if this is a real possibility, which I've considered before, it likely had approval from the top down. Owner Byrd, who financed his Virginia cousin Admiral Richard Byrd's artic exploration. LBJ, Rayburn, Connally, George DeMorenschild, George H W Bush, Clint Murchison and more listened to him. Le May gave him an award for establishing the Civil Air Patrol. Bill Kelly's post gets to the heart of the matter. Read the first two or three posts in this thread by Mr. Simkin. I thought I knew a little about Byrd but found them quite informative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Exhausting, but I just read 75% of the posts in this thread. The interconnections between the wealthy and powerful personally and politically seems never ending, and is a disturbing reality check on the way things really work in the highest rungs of power and control in our country. More a plutocracy than a democracy imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Exhausting, but I just read 75% of the posts in this thread. The interconnections between the wealthy and powerful personally and politically seems never ending, and is a disturbing reality check on the way things really work in the highest rungs of power and control in our country. More a plutocracy than a democracy imo. It is exhausting, and I think it might be the second time I’ve gone through this entire thread, with it’s endless quotes of long posts. But I did so because I needed reminding of some connections. Mr. Scully sure did some deep research into family connections by looking at Wedding Registries. too many Barons eh? Always struck by Baron Werner Von Alvensleben having the long scar on his left cheek and being very tall. Both descriptors apply to Otto Skorzeny as well. And I’ve wondered what the real connections were for Baron DeMohrenschilt. It strikes me as likely that he was an Abwehr agent during WW2. The FBI wondered if he was. So Harold Byrd was in Safariland with Alvensleben, who ran the safaris, and then that Baron and his wife visited Dallas a short time after the assassination. Officially that Baron wasn’t a poopoo, was in fact wanted by the Nazis. I’m not sure I believe his official bio. I’m more inclined to think that both Barons were part of the Skorzeny post war network. gee - who thought of substituting poopoo for poopoo? so Nazis is fine but not the singular form? Edited December 22, 2020 by Paul Brancato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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