The extra frame in the 'French copy' of the Z film. Maybe real, maybe hoaxed

[Chris Bristow]

What is billed as the French copy of the Z film has some interesting differences from the official WC version of the Z film. It does not have a chain of evidence and could just be a hoax. It would not be hard to take existing frames and alter them to make this extra frame 312a. Here is frame 312a and a link to the French version on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/gMMNq99JQ4E?list=FLs5NVkPUrBDPE3U03TTXkmg

Here is a Video I did on frame 312a
https://youtu.be/jHHh6l9gpGw

Here is frame 312a




Two things you will see in 312a is the position of the limo and officer Hargis demonstrate that this frame comes after 312 and before 313. you will also see in 312a the limo only advances about 4 inches which makes the limo appear to stop for a brief second. The second thing you will see is Kennedy's head tucks downward just before the head shot(The head tuck in 312a represents about one third of the total head tuck in by 313. The head tuck is hard to see due to blood spay).

Another more subtle difference exist in frame 350. The blurred curb that occurs in some frames is considered to be 'in camera' motion blur. The oddity is that it exists in the French copy but not in the official version. But the strangest difference is the yellow portion of curb. From frame 349 to 350 all of the background, witness's, grass, and curbing move left as the camera pans right. But the yellow portion of the curb remains in place from 349 to 350!!. It has been said that the yellow portion is just missing due to compression loss. However the gradient edge of the yellow image looks exactly like the edge in 349 which is in its correct position and is considered authentic. A compression loss is a square block of pixels not a gradient change. Secondly the portion of curb where the yellow is missing in frame 350 still shows the curb underneath. There is a shaded area extending past the gradient edge of yellow curb. It extends about 5 inches to the seam between curb sections(you may need to look at a higher resolution image to see it). Not only does that indicate that the data for that section was not lost, it shows the shaded area and the curb seam to be in position related to 349 not 350. By frame 351 the yellow curb jumps ahead a distance equal to two frames and becomes consistent with frame 351 of the official copy

Here is a comp of frame 349 and 350

Edited June 26, 2016 by Chris Bristow

[Michael Walton]

Chris,

Go here:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

Download all of the frames, open frame 220 (or whichever one you want to start with). Then with your left and right arrow keys, cycle through each frame. Pay close attention to 310 - 316. Note that the extra frame you see is not there. These frames you're cycling through are how the actual Z film was recorded and looks one frame at a time.

Then go here:

In essence, what you will see above is when you put the Z film frames on a video editing timeline and then export the timeline at 30 fps, more frames are going to be added to the exported movie. This is why it looks like there is an extra frame at 313.

[Chris Bristow]

I have always been confused about the higher frame rate. If the camera recored at 18.6 then the image at 312 would be 1/18 of a second before 313. What I don't understand is where the information came from that would show the limo in a position between those frames. I would think the shutter was closed in between and would not record Hargis in a position farther past other objects in the frame like Mary Moorman. I guess what I don't get is how objects within the frame change relative to each other if the position occurred while the shutter was closed.

Edited June 27, 2016 by Chris Bristow

[Chris Bristow]

I just got my answer online. There must be some artifacts to find in 312a.

I was wondering if it can explain frame 350. It is not an extra frame though.

[Michael Walton]

No Chris your answer is to download the frames as described above. That's your answer. There are no extra frames and I clearly explained why above. If you don't want to think through it then I can't help you any further.

Also go to the Math Rules thread at the end and read my post about why the film is not faked. There is no such thing as a French version of the film.

[Robin Unger]

There is no such thing as frame 312A

Z-312

Z-313

[Chris Bristow]

Michael, I already have the Frames from the Costello site and I already know there is no 312a in it, as I stated in my first post. I am also not disagreeing with your opinion about it being the result of changing to a higher frame rate. I found an explanation online about how the extra frames are created and it explains 312a.

[Robin Unger]

small GIF showing "interlaced frames"

[Michael Walton]

Thank you Robin. Now if you can only convince the gang over on the Math Rules thread you'd make this forum a more enlightening one. I've given up trying to talk reason over there.

[David Josephs]

Thank you Robin. Now if you can only convince the gang over on the Math Rules thread you'd make this forum a more enlightening one. I've given up trying to talk reason over there.

Now that's funny Mike.

You're talking "reason"? Is "reason" what we're now calling unsupported opinions ?

It's obvious you don't understand the subject matter yet you make repeated snide remarks about its foundation and meaning - and then call it "reason" when you're asked to do the simplest of things and can't...?

Mike - the films and photos can be faked and/or altered... the math can't. The math proves why what we see and what occurred are not possible.

We're all sorry you cannot make the connection between 18.3 frames per second and Elm's incline of a 1 foot drop over 18.3 horizontal feet -

or that fact that those at NPIC sat night could not understand the 18.3fps when the camera had two settings: 16fps and 48fps with a spring load so over time the speed actual slows

or that there were even two film originals worked upon by two different teams on two different nights

or that the CIA informs us the FBI had the film original Friday night

or that so much is missing from the extent zfilm which shouldn't be missing

or that 0183 does not appear on the extent film

or that Zapruder says he did not stop filming at the corner

With as obvious as that splice is you'd think Zappy would simply say he stopped filming and waited until the limo turned the corner - but that's not what he says. nor does the splice recreate the same light bleed we see on frame #1 (see below)

You see Mike - we come prepared to defend our statements with evidence and analysis - we've discussed these things for many years and gain insight by enlisting experts in their field to provide their input. David Healy is one such expert... You on the other hand stand little chance of being taken seriously when you repeatedly show the limitations in your understanding and the lack of desire to do anything about it

Do you have any supportable responses to this evidence of what certainly appears to be a straight out splice in the film to remove an embarrassing situation for the Secret Service as well as bring to the forefront the 120-degree turn a presidential limo should NEVER have to navigate

Mr. TRULY. That is right.

And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.

Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb?

Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.

If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.

Mr. LIEBELER - As you stood there on this abutment with your camera, the motorcade came down Houston Street and turned left on Elm Street, did it not?

Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's right.

Mr. LIEBELER - And it proceeded then down Elm Street toward the triple underpass; is that correct?

Mr. ZAPRUDER - That's correct. I started shooting--when the motorcade started coming in, I believe I started and wanted to get it coming in from Houston Street.

[David G. Healy]

small GIF showing "interlaced frames"

thanks Robin -- and for the uninitiated, in video 2 fields = 1 frame, ie., 1 second of video = 30frames of video made up of 64 fields... ya wanna tell a few of these newbies what DF/NDF (drop frame/non drop frame) video is, Robin? Good luck!

Edited June 28, 2016 by David G. Healy

[James DiEugenio]

Can someone tell me the whole provenance of this so called French version of the film?

How do we know where it came from and who is calling it that?

[David G. Healy]

Can someone tell me the whole provenance of this so called French version of the film?

How do we know where it came from and who is calling it that?

Jim,

Ya might want to take a quick peek at the following links. William Redmond was my first brush with this topic, then of course Rich DellaRosa, concluding with Greg Burnham :

(William Redmond)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRhcQI4tFTI (Rich DellaRosa - Black Op Radio interview)

http://forum.assassinationofjfk.net/ (Greg Burnham owner of assassinationofjfk.net)

... all three have told me they have seen the **other** film. I have no reason to doubt them.

Edited June 29, 2016 by David G. Healy

[Michael Walton]

what DF/NDF (drop frame/non drop frame) video is, Robin? Good luck!

DF and NDF explained nicely here:

http://www.bodenzord.com/archives/79

A tutorial I made three years for client use of time code:

[Chris Bristow]

James E., there is a link to the "French version" video in the first post above. Although they claim it is the French version it does not contain the long stop or any of the other things claimed by Dellarosa. Seeing that a frame rate conversion could create the additional frame puts a cloud over the French version before it has even surfaced.