General Walker : a 'pauper'?

[Chris Halbower]

I read this thread and I didn’t find these items so let me add them. I searched the forum and cannot find any thread where this was discussed. So let me present the following case.

When I first read the Warren Commission Report, I found the Walker shooting to be an enigma. The events didn’t gel with the rest of the conclusions of the commission.

The Warren Commission concluded Lee Harvey Oswald shot at General Edwin Walker in April 1963 while Walker was sitting in his home in Dallas. But the overwhelming evidence is that there were two men involved in the Walker shooting. Thus, in April 1963, Oswald had an accomplice when a shooting political figure in Dallas. It is not a stretch to believe he had an accomplice when shooting a political figure in Dallas in November of 1963. The consequence of this is staggering: just using the 27 volumes of the Warren Commission, we can prove there was a conspiracy. We don’t have to add additional evidence or impeach the commission’s evidence. We only have to examine the Commission’s evidence and make a more logical conclusion.

The Warren Commission did not conclude Oswald was the lone gunmen in the Walker shooting. All the evidence in the Walker shooting supports the premise that there were 2 assailants and that one was Oswald. The testimony of Surrey, Coleman and Marina Oswald all support this and no evidence refutes this.

When we conclude the Walker shooting was done by Oswald (Coleman's testimony and Marina's testimony), we must conclude he had an accomplice (Coleman's testimony and Surrey's testimony). Once we conclude Oswald had an accomplice when shooting a political figure in Dallas in April 1963, all the evidence that he had an accomplice shooting a political figure in November 1963 is more reasonable than not (two men involved in the Tippet shooting; two men in the TSBD).

General Edwin Walker was shot at on 10 April 1963. He was not hit and was not injured. The bullet narrowly missed him.

On Monday, 8 April 1963 Robert Surrey, a friend and house guest of Walker's, was in the house when he saw two men peeking in the windows. On Tuesday, 9 April 1963 Surrey told Walker. Walker was not in town on Monday so Surrey didn't tell Walker until the next day. A police report was generated but no perpetrator was ever apprehended.

On Wednesday, 10 April 1963 a bullet was fired through a window, one in which the two men had been seen "peeking through". Walter Coleman, a neighbor, heard the gunshot and looked out his window. He saw the church parking lot next to Walker's house. He saw two men leaving in separate cars. The description of one of the men was a dead match for Oswald.

Marina Oswald claimed her husband was involved in the Walker shooting. She provided photos that Oswald had taken of the Walker house along with some testimony about a conversation she had had with her late husband.

She testified Oswald wanted to commit the shooting (the word "postponed" is used in the Warren Commission Report) on Wednesday because there was a church service that night and the church service would provide cover for his activities.

Now, the timeline comes into full view. Oswald took photos of Walker's house, in effect to case the place. Surrey saw two men peeking in the windows. Oswald didn't want to shoot Walker on Tuesday because he wanted the church to provide cover for his activities. Oswald shoots at Walker on Wednesday but narrowly misses the retired general. Two men are seen leaving the church parking lot immediately after the shot.

Thus, the testimonies of Surrey and Coleman not only corroborate each other (two men involved), they corroborate circumstantial evidence (the church held a service that night and Marina said Oswald wanted to postpone the shooting until that night) and their testimony corroborates Marina's testimony (Oswald was involved).

There is no room for argument on the Walker shooting. Not even the Warren Commission concluded differently. The WC concluded that Oswald shot at Walker. The WC didn't conclude Oswald was the lone shooter in the Walker incident.

And once we conclude Oswald had an accomplice in the shooting of a political figure in Dallas in April 1963, the conclusion that he had an accomplice in the shooting of another political figure in Dallas in November 1963 becomes the simplest explanation. And all the witnesses who saw Oswald with an accomplice on 22 November 1963 have their testimony corroborated.

The above analysis assumes Oswald was involved in the Walker shooting. If Oswald was NOT involved, then there was a conspiracy to kill JFK because the Warren Commission’s conclusions are so severely compromised, they can be nothing more than a cover up.

Sources: Warren Commission Volume V, p. 446 (testimony of Robert Alan Surrey).

Warren Commission Volume XXVI CE 2958 (sworn statement of Walter Kirk Coleman).

Edited April 15, 2009 by Chris Halbower

[William O'Neil]

John

"Him (Walker), having been shot at as a leading opponent of the Kennedy presidency and then partaking in the preparations for the assault on Stevenson a month or so prior to Kennedy entering 'nut country', hanging his flag upside down, making sure the pilots on the plane taking him to Shrevesport, to meet other leading Segregationists, signed his ticket stub, setting in motion the Oswald shot Walker story through the German right wing paper made him an ideal middle man between far right militant groupings (like the KKK which were enjoying a popularity surge in response to JFK's no nonsense anti-segregation drive), and the Louisiana sovereignty comission whose aim was to defeat Kennedy's '63 civil rights bill at any cost."

What you seem to leave out is Marina Oswald's continued insistance that her husband did in fact shoot at Walker because, "he told her so" and the pictures and letter provided by Marina to the initial FBI investigators......items Marina has never suggested were not honestly provided by her.

So either Marina was a part of and continues to be a part of the framing of her husband Lee or there is more to the story than what might be easily swept under the table.

Personally I believe that Walker's reactions in the 24 hours following the assassination of JFK are easily explained, IF we consider those reactions based upon the fear that he (Walker) might be implicated in the assassination of the President......especially if he (Walker) did in fact recognize Oswald as the person he had helped to enter the Soviet Union as part of a very deep intelligence operation and knowing full well that John J. McCloy had recently sent him a letter that would tie him neatly to the conspirators if in fact McCloy were involved.

It is my belief that Walker may have been the most releaved man in the United States when Oswald was gunned down!

Jim Root

Hmm, what's with all the picture taking Lee? Why risk being seen wandering around with a camera? For RECON? I've been to the Walker house, there wasn't any need for all these pictures, in order to acomplish this act, once you've seen the layout. Hmmm....

-Bill

[William Kelly]

John

"Him (Walker), having been shot at as a leading opponent of the Kennedy presidency and then partaking in the preparations for the assault on Stevenson a month or so prior to Kennedy entering 'nut country', hanging his flag upside down, making sure the pilots on the plane taking him to Shrevesport, to meet other leading Segregationists, signed his ticket stub, setting in motion the Oswald shot Walker story through the German right wing paper made him an ideal middle man between far right militant groupings (like the KKK which were enjoying a popularity surge in response to JFK's no nonsense anti-segregation drive), and the Louisiana sovereignty comission whose aim was to defeat Kennedy's '63 civil rights bill at any cost."

What you seem to leave out is Marina Oswald's continued insistance that her husband did in fact shoot at Walker because, "he told her so" and the pictures and letter provided by Marina to the initial FBI investigators......items Marina has never suggested were not honestly provided by her.

So either Marina was a part of and continues to be a part of the framing of her husband Lee or there is more to the story than what might be easily swept under the table.

Personally I believe that Walker's reactions in the 24 hours following the assassination of JFK are easily explained, IF we consider those reactions based upon the fear that he (Walker) might be implicated in the assassination of the President......especially if he (Walker) did in fact recognize Oswald as the person he had helped to enter the Soviet Union as part of a very deep intelligence operation and knowing full well that John J. McCloy had recently sent him a letter that would tie him neatly to the conspirators if in fact McCloy were involved.

It is my belief that Walker may have been the most releaved man in the United States when Oswald was gunned down!

Jim Root

Hmm, what's with all the picture taking Lee? Why risk being seen wandering around with a camera? For RECON? I've been to the Walker house, there wasn't any need for all these pictures, in order to acomplish this act, once you've seen the layout. Hmmm....

-Bill

LHO, in his O. H. Lee mode, was just going by the books, as he was instructed (indoctrinated) in the Crafts of Intelligence 101.

BK

[Chris Halbower]

But isn't it interesting that Marina provided pictures? This means one of two things:

A. Oswald was involved in the Walker shooting

B. The pictures were planted and Oswald was innocent.

If Oswald was involved, there was a conspiracy to shoot Walker (see my arguments above). If Oswald was not involved, there was a conspiracy to frame Oswald for the Walker shooting.

The Tippet shooting has been called the Rosetta Stone of the JFK assassination. Why would Oswald shoot a police officer unless he was guilty of killing the President? I submit that the Walker shooting is the Rosetta Stone of the Tippet murder. To prove Oswald had a previous capacity to commit violence, the Walker shooting was pinned on him.

But what of the accomplice?

Once the Warren Commission established that Marina had numerous pictures of Walker's place taken by Oswald, physical evidence existed that linked Oswald to the Walker shooting. However the Warren Commission curiously ignored the conspiracy angle of the Walker shooting. Was this by design?

Is it not a fatal flaw in the Warren Commission's findings to conclude that Oswald was part of a conspiracy to shoot General Walker in April 1963 but was a lone nut in the murders of Kennedy and Tippet in November 1963? Thus, the incontravertible evidence of a conspiracy to kill Walker was glossed over. The only evidentiary value offered was that Oswald tried to kill Walker. No mention of an accomplice.

Does anyone know who Oswald's accomplice might be in Dallas, April 1963?

[John Dolva]

Chris, thought provoking posts IMO. I hope the answers will come.

"was this by design?". Perhaps, and perhaps of a different kind than assumed by many.

The so called ''Warren'' Commission : the misnomer in itself is interesting as Warren was not willing, and his first response to hearing JFK was dead indicated an instinctive belief that the militant right were to blame. Anyway, he presided over the PRESIDENTIAL Commission while under attack from the right. The flawed report itself can be seen as a document that in fact points to a conspiracy irrespective of any 'conclusions' it proclaims.

Perhaps it was all Kennedy's men could do at the time?

It now resides in toto in thousands of institutions around the world and cannot be redacted. Smart move IMO.

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Oswald, having with chill precision voted with his bullet, then in a desperate escape pumped overkill bullets into Tippit, goes to the movies, where, when the lights go up and the coppers are edging towards him, encircling him, (giving him ample opportunity to show his hand (and for them to respond), he resists, when they've got him, by not shooting anyone, instead a gun appears out of the scrum, and bullets rest peacefully in his pocket till they are plant.. er.. found a couple of hours after arrested for these henious crimes. A bit like missing Walker with a bullet that cannot be conclusively traced to him in any way. Pure circumstance and innuendo. There's a setup there of some sort.

[Robert Howard]

Chris, thought provoking posts IMO. I hope the answers will come.

"was this by design?". Perhaps, and perhaps of a different kind than assumed by many.

The so called ''Warren'' Commission : the misnomer in itself is interesting as Warren was not willing, and his first response to hearing JFK was dead indicated an instinctive belief that the militant right were to blame. Anyway, he presided over the PRESIDENTIAL Commission while under attack from the right. The flawed report itself can be seen as a document that in fact points to a conspiracy irrespective of any 'conclusions' it proclaims.

Perhaps it was all Kennedy's men could do at the time?

It now resides in toto in thousands of institutions around the world and cannot be redacted. Smart move IMO.

________

Oswald, having with chill precision voted with his bullet, then in a desperate escape pumped overkill bullets into Tippit, goes to the movies, where, when the lights go up and the coppers are edging towards him, encircling him, (giving him ample opportunity to show his hand (and for them to respond), he resists, when they've got him, by not shooting anyone, instead a gun appears out of the scrum, and bullets rest peacefully in his pocket till they are plant.. er.. found a couple of hours after arrested for these henious crimes. A bit like missing Walker with a bullet that cannot be conclusively traced to him in any way. Pure circumstance and innuendo. There's a setup there of some sort.

After seeing this thread start to die off, I decided to update it.....

After waiting for all these declassified documents to come out, I will go out on a limb, and state the following document, could be argued to be the definitive document on General Edwin Walker...You may find yourself wondering how in the world Mark Lane got mixed up in the Liberty Lobby...lol

SECURITY FILE ON EDWIN WALKER 17 Pages

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1

Jim Root, Bill Kelly, Greg Parker......hope at some point your reading this......

Which makes the following a little anti-climactic?

If there was a title to my post it would be General Walker's connections to right-wingers in Dallas prior to the assassination....

It does make for some interesting reading hopefully.... It is basically an excerpt summary of Warren Commission

Document 1316 - FBI Letter from Director of 30 Jul 1964 with Attachments......intertwined amidst my humble narrative.....

The document is 27 pages long, and there other equally important parts, time did not permit me to get into regarding autos at Walker's residence after the assassination, the dates of the four Revill Reports, with Gannaway's initials, as well as more specific references to Duff's background....

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=11711

Duff stated that the man who offered him $10,000 to kill Walker was Cliff Roberts of the Oklahoma Crime Bureau, The problem is that according to this document Duff is ostensibly a patholgical xxxx source SS Agent Cantrell. 1 Duff according to his ex-wife Peggy Marie Duff and Army 1st Sgt. James Andrews had been discharged under the statute 606 providing fraudulent enlistment upon enrollment in the US Army.

In the time period this particular report was written Duff was living with a Marion W. Osborne. In this document, Duff describes the circumstances of his coming to be employed by General Walker and noted that during this period [November 1962 to April 1963 Walker had “numerous visitors. The most compelling aspect of Duff’s allegations is his claim that Jack Ruby had visited General Walker, and furthermore Ruby had two other gentlemen with him at the time these visits occurred....

....the second man as Duff recalled is of more than passing interest if there is a chance that he was telling the truth and there was an attempt to suppress this, [an admittedly conjectural concept] the second man was “a white male American, in his late 40’s, 5’11 to 6’, 210 pounds, with an evident paunch. This man had very black hair and was believed to have been of Italian or Mexican descent. He was described as wearing a dark business suit. "Neither man carried brief cases or dispatch cases of any kind.” Duff goes on to clarify later in this document, that there was no third man that it was only a person who looked like Ruby and the Italian/Mexican individual [he is now backing off from his original statement] any statement attesting to a third man is in error.

After Duff enlisted in the Army he received basic training at Fort Polk, La. and Fort Sill, Oklahoma.....Lt. Revill disclosed that there were four reports submitted by the Criminal Intelligence Section re Edwin Walker.

Each report bears the initials of WPG in the lower left-hand , who is Capt. W.P. Gannaway of the Special Services Department.

Later in the document under the names of persons living in Denton, Tx who were also members of the subject organization ie the Edwin A. Walker Group are the names - William Drew Fitzwilliams, Bill Waller, William Ivan Snodgrass, Pat Brady, Michael Ray Bowlin both underlined, Bill Calhoun, Leslie Tooker, Ronnie Beall and Rusty Williford.

The following list of persons are also affiliated with the subject group but took no active part in planning any incident.

William McCune Duff, Mrs Beth Rachel, Cliff Roberts, William Keester, Julia Knecht, Frank Mcgehee.

Robert Edward Hatfield, a member of the Indignant White Citizens Council was also a member of this organization but was dropped after he was arrested during the visit of Adlai Stevenson under the sponsorship of the Dallas United Nations Association in October of 1963. Ashland F. Burchwell, w-m-22, was a member of subject organization at the time he was arrested in September 1962, with a load of ammunition and arms he had collected. Cora Frederickson was a member of subject organization as well as the Indignant White Citizens Council and of the John Birch Society. General Edwin A Walker dropped her from the membership of this group and the John Birch Society after she was involved in the incident at the time Adlai Stevenson visited Dallas and appeared at Memorial Auditorium. She struck Adlai Stevenson with a placard.

While noting the material in this document, I couldn’t help but note the threatening tone of one particular portion regarding a group who not only had participated in the Adlai Stevenson incident but who also were “sympathetic” to the General and had visited Edwin Walker in Dallas.

Dated November 5, 1963, the document refers to students at Univ. of Denton, some of whom are members of the Denton University Chapter of the Young Republicans Club. After mentioning that this group was preparing for President Kennedy’s fatal visit to Dallas, a student at the University of Denton, William Drew Fitz, was quoted as saying that “We will drag his dick in the dirt, unquote. It is not venturing a guess that the “his” being mentioned in the quote is a specific reference to President Kennedy.

1 Note On the last page of this document, the charge that Duff was a patholgical xxxx, is contradicted......the pertinent passage, from the Department of Justice no less, albeit with no signature states “His Army record failed to contain any information concerning a diagnosis of patholgical xxxx by a psychiatrist while in the US Army at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, but then cites a May 1964 document by a Capt. Edward J. Lyons who wrote that Duff “continually caused trouble because of his refusal to tell the truth.”

I would not get into the trap of defining Duff as a reliable witness, far from it, but there is an interesting aside in that some of the persons who made references to Oswald at the Carousel, Litchfield, Jarnagin, I am not sure which person it was, also mention a person similar at the Carousel, to the person described by Duff as the other person besides Ruby who visited Walker[see paragraph 3 of this post]...I maintain that some of the evasiveness and distorted statements re these "discredited" individuals is due to the fact they were quite aware, that any statements connecting Ruby and Oswald together was not a very wise thing to do in the day's and months after the assassination.....albeit some people in the same group seemed to try to use the issue for their 15 minutes of fame.....I also find it interesting that Walker dropped some of the more familiar names from his group such as the person who struck Adlai...Doesent exactly add to his innocent right wing extremist, who happened to live in Dallas when JFK was assassinated and had a Wanted For Treason flyer in his car, at least that was an allegation, that was made, which I tend to believe......Keester also seems suspect as someone who works for Walker, visiting Duff and offering him money to kill Walker, not exactly an impartial witness, which is the role he could be said to have played for Walker to the DPD after the assassination....

the big picture re Walker is not even referenced in this post, but is scattered around the Forum by Jim Root, myself and others and on the link at the top of this document.

Edited April 22, 2009 by Robert Howard

[Jim Root]

Robert

Once again thank you for the kind words.

In addition to your fine post I would like to add the names and some events surrounding MG Walker that I feel are of importance within my research. By no means complete it will perhaps provide some researches with a differet pasture from which to graze. Each of these people can be associated to Walker throughout his military career and before his (shat I believe to be a sham) Pro Blue troubles.

Gordon Blake, Clifton Carter, Marshal Cartger, Chester Clifton, William Colby, Richard Helms, John Hickerson, John B. Hurt, Thomas Karamessines, John J. McCloy, Gen. t McClure, John M. Sheppard, Maxwell Taylor, Gen. Fredrick Weyland, and Gen Westmorland to name a few.

Walker was also involved in Counter Intelligence, The Greek Civil War, Little Rock, Merker Mine, Stella Polaris, Taiwan Straits Crisis, Korean POW exchange, Soviet POW return, Greman POW return, Venona, Development of Special Forces, Communications Interception, Strategic Planning for the Cold War, Army War College, and the capture of the most sophisticated Japanese Radar Station known to exist at the time.

Interesting man this Edwin Anderson Walker, not your everyday Right Wing Nut IMO!

Jim Root

[Robert Howard]

Robert

Once again thank you for the kind words.

In addition to your fine post I would like to add the names and some events surrounding MG Walker that I feel are of importance within my research. By no means complete it will perhaps provide some researches with a differet pasture from which to graze. Each of these people can be associated to Walker throughout his military career and before his (shat I believe to be a sham) Pro Blue troubles.

Gordon Blake, Clifton Carter, Marshal Cartger, Chester Clifton, William Colby, Richard Helms, John Hickerson, John B. Hurt, Thomas Karamessines, John J. McCloy, Gen. t McClure, John M. Sheppard, Maxwell Taylor, Gen. Fredrick Weyland, and Gen Westmorland to name a few.

Walker was also involved in Counter Intelligence, The Greek Civil War, Little Rock, Merker Mine, Stella Polaris, Taiwan Straits Crisis, Korean POW exchange, Soviet POW return, Greman POW return, Venona, Development of Special Forces, Communications Interception, Strategic Planning for the Cold War, Army War College, and the capture of the most sophisticated Japanese Radar Station known to exist at the time.

Interesting man this Edwin Anderson Walker, not your everyday Right Wing Nut IMO!

Jim Root

Thanks for the list

Do you not think Colonel Harrod Miller is important?

Anytime I read about someone whom little is known, [Col Harrod Miller is not even listed on namebase.org, at least under his full name, as far as I am aware] it makes me all the more curious. Additionally, Shanet Clark whom I always liked, stated in one of his posts.....

Colonel is pretty high ranking.

According to Military Intelligence Magazine, published at

Fort Huacacha, Major and above can task national security

wiretaps on US soil.

Colonel Harrod Miller was part of the team (joint agency) that

was active in Japan, at Atsugi Air base, during the MKULTRA

period when false defectors were being trained to go into Soviet Russia.

John Hurt was his associate, and these men may have been the

core recruiters of one LHO.

END

Robert......I personally believe that Oswald was well on his way before he arrived at Atsugi, but I am open to all possibilities.

I've also been having a look-see at US-Greece relations for any interesting items that might pertain to either Joannides/Karamessines/Walker and basically I have come to the same conclusion regarding that era, as I have about why Colonel Miller should be looked at.......

Mainly, that there are certain areas of research that will never be adequately resolved going through declassified files....

A good example of that is Jim Hougan's work, [author of Spook's etc.,] he was referencing people, places that are pertinent to the JFK Assassination, in the 1970's before anyone had even heard of say, Mitchell Werbell, now all the good researchers, know his significance, [or they should.] at least for the memory bank.

Then there is the other extreme, of getting ones info from highly speculative sources.....

My adage has become if it can't be introduced as evidence in a court of law, then what do you really have?

Harrod Miller died in Arkansas in 1966, from what little I have been able to gather.

But getting back to your list, one name that I have thought about is Thomas Parrish, author of The American Codebreakers

he mentions a lot of names we have bandied about and I noticed he interviewed William and McGeorge Bundy for the above cited book,

here are his book credits....Wonder if he's still kickin?

http://www.bookfinder.com/author/thomas-parrish/

Edited April 23, 2009 by Robert Howard

[Jim Root]

Good eye Robert

Harrod Miller first came to my attention when James Richards saw his picture with William Friedman's team of cryptologists (outside the "Vault") in association with John B. Hurt. Interesting the connections we make on this Forum.

I believe I can place Harrod Miller, early in his career with John V. "Frenchy" Grombach who, along with Whitney Shepardson were running SI during WWII (otherwise known as "The Pond"). It does not take much to make the connection to Richard Helms (gee, the man monitoring Oswald before the assassination) to SI as well (I have very good documentation here). I have great documentation of Helms, Shepardson and others meeting in June of 1959 while, it seems, planning a mission that would be going through Helsinki in the near future......conjecture yes, but it is fun to speculate that the old SI boyz, no longer with the CIA, are meeting together with Richard Helms, now with the CIA, gathering information for a mission (that may have been off channel) involving a place, Helsinki, where all these men had contacts and Lee Harvey Oswald would soon appear ready to enter the Soviet Union via the only embassy in the world that could grant him a visa within 24 hours. Back in the states, at the same time these meetings involving Helms are occuring, Oswald is receiving an early discharge, applying for his passport and beginning the journey that would bring him to Helsinki.

Coincidence, perhaps but I like the consistancy of the story with everything else that I have gathered.

Jim Root

[Gene Kelly]

Jim:

I've been deep into reading everything I can on Bay of Pigs. Am now convinced that it was a Northwoods type setup, but JFK didn't 'bite'. Lots of very angry black Ops and Cuban extremists... didn't just get mad, but got even with Kennedy. Plenty of motive, obvious means and perfect opportunity in Dealey Plaza. Military and Intelligence paybacks, by a select few specialists. Explains the umbrella man and certain 'signs' and signals. Interested in your view, as well as James Richards.

Regards,

Gene

[Chris Halbower]

...

The story basically was, that he discovered a reference to the document doing research and after a wild goose chase discovered, that the document was not in the National Archives, but in the hands of the Gerald Ford Library in Michigan!

He contacted the administrator/curator who proceeded to tell him that even though the document was indeed, at the Gerald Ford Library, the researcher would not be able to look at it, much less obtain a copy, as it was the possession of the Gerald Ford Library and did not fall under the provisions of the F.O.I.A. [Never mind that the document would, hopefully be pried loose from the Library's hands if an impartial judge were handling the case, that is, if it hasn't disappeared, or isn't redacted to pieces.]

I pass by the Gerald Ford Library on my way to work. If I went there in person, do you think that they may let view the document? Maybe I'll have to go there on my lunch period.

[John Dolva]

bump

[Ray Mitcham]

John,

Does anybody know with which camera Oswald is supposed to have taken the photos of Walkers house? Were they taken on the Imperial Reflex or the Minox? And, incidentally, has the Imperial reflex ever been proven to be Oswald's?

[Ed LeDoux]

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2557.pdf

The following investigation was conducted in

connection with the Imperial Reflex camera identified as

Federal Bureau of Investigation Laboratory D-146 .

On February 16, 1964, ROBERT LEE OSWALD, 1009

Sierra Drive,' Denton, Texas, viewed photographs of a Stereo

Realist Camera and acuera-2 camera and advised that he did

not recognize either of the cameras as having been the

property of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, but also stated he was not

familiar enough with the cameras owned by LEE HARVEY OSWALD

to either state that the cameras in question did or did not

belong to LEE HARVEY OSWALD .

On February 17, 1964, a photograph of the -Smena-2'

camera (referred to above as the Cuera-2 camera), which is

inventory Its . 378, and bears Serial No . 627250, was

exhibited to MARINA OSWALD and she identified this camera as

identical with the Russian camera owned by LEE HARVEY OSWALD .

She was also shown the photograph of the Stereo-Realist

camera which is Inventory Item No . 378 and which bears Serial

No . A60979, but she could not identify this camera and stated

it was not the property of LEE HARVEY OSWILD, as far as she

knew .

On February 18, 1964, MARINA OSWALD described the

camera with which she took the photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD

holding a rifle in his hands . She stated she believed she took

this photograph with an American camera owned by OSWALD . She

stated it was an American-made camera Which had a grayish color,

somewhat like aluminum and stated it was a box-type camera .

She stated she was not completely sure, however, as to whether

the camera had an extending bellows . She stated she could

recall that she sighted the camera by looking down into a

viewer at the top of the camera . She stated she did not know

the whereabouts of this camera at the present time, but could

identify it 1f she saw it again.

On February 19, 1964, Detective JOHN A . MC CABE,

Irving Police Department, Irving, Texas, advised that he was

present at the residence of Mrs . RUTH PAINE On November 23,

1963, when the Dallas Police Officers executed a search warrant

of Mrs . PAINE's residence .

Detective MC CABE advised that he assisted the Dallas

Police Officers in this search and is certain that he saw a

light gray box camera in a box in Mrs . PAINE's garage . MC CABE

stated that this camera was in a box which contained books and

photographs belonging to LEE,HARVEY OSWILD . MC CABE stated he

searched this box and did not take the camera since he did not

consider it to be of evidentiary value .

On March 23, 1964, Detective MC CABE advised that

during the search of the garage at the PAINS residence, where

most of LEE HARVEY OSWALD's belongings were located, he was

going through a box containing some books, some pictures, and

a camera . He took the camera out of the box, put it on a dresser

and searched the box in detail, and then put the camera back in

the box . He described the camera as of a square, reflex type

which appeared in such poor condition that he believed it was

not capable of taking pictures .

Detective MC CABE was shown Federal Bureau Of Investigation

Laboratory Photograph D-146 of an Imperial Reflex camera

which had been obtained from ROBERT OSWALD on February 24, 1964,

and he stated the camera in this photograph appeared identical

with the one he described above .

Detective MC CABE stated that in his opinion the Dallas

Police Officers, who were also participating in the search, did

not see this camera and did not search this particular box . He

stated he had already searched the box and told them so . He did

not point out the camera to them.

On February 24, 1964, ROBERT LEE OSWALD made available

a Duo-Lens Imperial Reflex camera made in the United States of

America . It is aluminum colored and has a matching gray plastic

carrying strap . The film size is indicated as 2k X 2h and it

uses Roll Film No . .620 . ROBERT LEE OSWALD advised that in about

1957, LEE HARVEY OSWALD purchased a camera at about the time he

first went into the U . S . Marine Corps ., About 1959 When LEE

HARVEY OSWALD went to Russia, he left this camera with ROBERT at

Fort Worth, Texas . In about August 1962, after returning from

Russia, LEE HARVEY OSWALD regained possession of this camera

from ROBERT and, to ROBERT's knowledge, retained possession of

it until his death on November 24, 1963 .

In December 1963 ROBERT stated he obtained this camera,

along with other effects of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, from the home o£

Mrs . R. .a PAINE, Irving, Texas . The above-described Duo-Lens

Imperial Reflex camera was the camera described above by ROBERT

LEE OSWALD and the camera which he made available on February 24,

1964 . To the best of ROBERT's knowledge, the camera did not have

film in it at the time be obtained it from Mrs . PAINE's residence

and he has no undeveloped film or pictures made with this camera .

On February 25, 1964, the above-described Imperial

Reflex camera obtained from ROBERT LEE OSWALD on February 24,

1964, was exhibited to MARINA OSWALD, at which time she identi

fied it as the camera belonging to LEE HARVEY OSWALD with which

she had taken the picture of Oswald holding the rifle and newspaper

and wearing the pistol .

COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 2557-Continued

On March 14, 1964, Detectives JOHN P . ADAMCIK,

RICHARD S . STOVALL, GUY P . ROSE, and HENRY M. MOORE of the Dallas Police

Department advised that they participated in a search of the

PAINE residence, 2515 West Fifth Street, Irving, Texas, on November

22 and 23, 1963 .

All four Of these individuals were exhibited a Federal

Bureau of Investigation Laboratory Photograph No . D-146 of the

Imperial Reflex camera obtained from ROBERT LEE OSWALD on

February 24, 1964 . None of these officers could recall ever

having seen this camera and did not recall seeing it during a

search of the garage at the PAINE residence . They all stated

that if it had been discovered during the search, they would

have brought it in .

On March 23, 1964, Detectives STOVALL, ROSE and MOORE

all advised that during the search o£ the PAINE residence they

recalled that there were several boxes in the garage at the

PAINE residence and that all boxes were searched by one of the

officers participating in the search . Each of them stated they

could not specifically state which boxes they searched, but all

stated they definitely did not see the Imperial Reflex camera

pictured in Federal Bureau of Investigation Laboratory Photograph

No . D-146, or any other camera in the PAINE garage.

On March 24, 1964, Detective ADAMCIK also stated that

there were several boxes in the garage at the PAINE residence

and that all boxes were searched by either himself or one the of other officers . He could not specifically state which boxes

he searched, but stated he definitely did not see the Imperial Reflex camera pictured in Federal Bureau of Investigation

Laboratory Photograph No . D-146, or any other camera in the

garage .

On March 15, 1964, ROBERT OSWALD, 1009 Sierra, Denton,

Texas, advised that on December 8, 1963, be obtained property of

LEE HARVEY OSWALD and MARINA OSWALD which was at the home of RUTH

PAM is Irving, Texas . Included in this property was a box

which contained a two-volume history, some Russian books, and a small American-made camera . He stated he had never made this

camera available to authorities before February 24, 1964, because

he had never been asked for it previously and because

he could see no evidentiary value to anyone interested in the

assassination o£ President JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY of this

cheap camera which belonged to LEE HARVEY OSWALD . He stated

that it had never occurred to him that anyone would be Interested

in the camera .

Photographs.---In her testimony before the Commission in

February 1964, Marina Oswald stated that when Oswald returned

home on the night of the Walker shooting, he told her that he had

been planning the attempt for 2 months. He showed her a notebook

3 days later containing photographs of General Walker's home and

a map of the area where the house was located. Although Oswald

destroyed the notebook, three photographs found among Oswald's

possessions after the assassination were identified by Marina

Oswald as photographs of General Walker's house. Two of these

photographs were taken from the rear of Walker's house. The

Commission confirmed, by comparison with other photographs, that

these were, indeed, photographs of the rear of Walker's house.

An examination of the window at the rear of the house, the wall

through which the bullet passed, and the fence behind the house

indicated that the bullet was fired from a position near the

point where one of the photographs was taken.

The third photograph identified by Marina Oswald depicts the

entrance to General Walker's driveway from a back alley. Also

seen in the picture is the fence on which Walker's assailant

apparently rested the rifle. An examination of certain

construction work appearing in the background of this photograph

revealed that the picture was taken between March 8 and 12, 1963,

and most probably on either March 9 or March 10. Oswald

purchased the money order for the rifle on March 12, the rifle

was shipped on March 20, and the shooting occurred on April 10.

A photography expert with the FBI was able to determine that

this picture was taken with the Imperial Reflex camera owned by

Lee Harvey Oswald. (See app. X, p. 596.)

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/walker.txt

due to details visible in construction work in the picture.

Markings at the edge of the negative indicated that the photograph was

taken with Oswald's Imperial Reflex camera to the exclusion of all other

cameras. Other photographs, such as of the railroad tracks by Walker's

house, also were taken with Oswald's camera.

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr08.html

WR 404-6; CE 133; CE 134; CE 1351.7-8; CE 1406; 1 H 15-7, 22-3, 37-9,

117-8; 11 H 292-6.

Once again we have Lee supposedly buying a Money Order for the rifle but sends cash for the pistola???

MARINA was questioned concerning cameras which were owned by LEE HARVEY OSWALD and her. She said that they owned two cameras. One of these cameras was a Russian camera which had been purchased by LEE HARVEY OSWALD at Minsk in September, 1961. This camera had been cheap in price but it was a good camera. This camera was brought by the OSWALD's to the United States when they returned from Russia and was among the effects of the OSWALD's at Dallas on November 22, 1963. Marina said OSWALD had purchased this camera after he had left another camera in a cafe in Minsk and had lost it.

The other camera owned by the Oswald's was a United States made camera which LEE HARVEY OSWALD had owned prior to his entry into the U.S. Marine Corps and this was the camera which he had taken pictures with when he was in the Marine Corps. When he went to Russia, Oswald left this camera with his brother ROBERT OSWALD. When Oswald and Marina returned from Russia, ROBERT returned the camera to OSWALD and it was among the effects the OSWALD's had on November 22, 1963.

on 1/29/65 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461

By Special Agent RICHARD J. WIEHL and WALLACE E. HEITHAN Date Dictated 1/30/64

MARINA was exhibited a photograph which is item 378 of an inventory list prepared by the FBI which photograph depicts two cameras. One a "Cuera - 2" and the other a "Realist". She said the cameras depicted in this photograph appear to be the cameras which were owned by her and her husband. She said the "Cuera - 2" camera appears to be the Russian camera and the "Realist" appears to be the American made camera.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce1155.htm

Ed

Edited December 8, 2011 by Ed LeDoux

[Ray Mitcham]

Thanks, Ed.