Len Colby Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 LOL so Cheney saying he wanted to attack the Syrian reactor somehow is confirmation of the claim “Cheney Determined to Strike in US” then there is some bizarre tangent about a supposedly missing B-52. But this ignores the biggest problem with the “warning” and Tarpley’s involvement in it. Four of the people who “signed” the document including Cindy Sheehan and Ann Wright said* “Each of us… sign[ed] a statement calling for the immediate impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney. Since then, the statement has been altered and posted on the internet, making it appear as if we have evidence that this administration will carry out a "false-flag terror operation." None of us have such evidence, and therefore, none of us signed a statement stating that we do” A fifth ‘signatory’ confirmed their story. Part of Tarpley’s evidence was a Fox News story of an potential terrorist attack in “90 days” which turned out to have been over 2 years-old*. * Emphasis mine - http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/08/kennebunkport-warning-hoax-controversy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) KELLY You and your Komrad mouthpieces for the Kremlin and discredited Commies still can't answer the question as to why the USA would suddenly ==============================ooooooooooooo KELLY As a hint, when you read people like Tarpley, Phd or any of the Globalists propagandists, you can tell they are pulling your leg when they drop words like "imperialists" and "colonialists" and other Marxists terminology that ==============================ooooooooooooo Commie ,Marxist..........Gee Bill you have become a new man....named...... BillJoseph McCarthyKelly.... who says, "I have a list of anti-globalists"...................... http://www.google.com/imgres?q=joe+mccarthy+cartoon&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1016&bih=487&tbm=isch&tbnid=6B2wk2ge2Q7onM:&imgrefurl=http://blog.timesunion.com/nypotomac/tag/joseph-mccarthy/&docid=vBicp40YyyJnhM&imgurl=http://blog.timesunion.com/nypotomac/files/2010/11/joseph-McCarthy-wishis.jpg&w=520&h=396&ei=T9AIT8CwA6jZiALCxOTMCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=324&vpy=165&dur=4859&hovh=196&hovw=257&tx=125&ty=109&sig=111435333280251452746&page=2&tbnh=121&tbnw=156&start=12&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:12 http://www.google.com/imgres?q=joe+mccarthy+cartoon&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1016&bih=487&tbm=isch&tbnid=KITmemn7sU0XSM:&imgrefurl=http://open.salon.com/blog/sacrob/2011/01/05/house_repugs_set_to_get_obama_re-elected&docid=TnX-ejcGACiGIM&imgurl=http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2011-01-04-danzcolor4612.jpg&w=600&h=431&ei=T9AIT8CwA6jZiALCxOTMCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=389&vpy=179&dur=2875&hovh=190&hovw=265&tx=143&ty=92&sig=111435333280251452746&page=2&tbnh=120&tbnw=157&start=12&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:12 Edited January 7, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 What are you babbling about Gaal? Being critical of Marxists is tantamount to being a McCarthite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) KELLY You and your Komrad mouthpieces for the Kremlin and discredited Commies still can't answer the question as to why the USA would suddenly ==============================ooooooooooooo KELLY As a hint, when you read people like Tarpley, Phd or any of the Globalists propagandists, you can tell they are pulling your leg when they drop words like "imperialists" and "colonialists" and other Marxists terminology that ==============================ooooooooooooo Commie ,Marxist..........Gee Bill you have become a new man....named...... BillJoseph McCarthyKelly.... who says, "I have a list of anti-globalists"...................... http://www.google.co...1t:429,r:2,s:12 http://www.google.co...1t:429,r:8,s:12 I'm one of the few who read the crap by anti-globalists you post - and I even repost some of their junk at my blog just to show that point of view is there, and I actually respond to it and say why it is wrong. I actually thought I was an anti-globalist myself until I read the junk they are writing, attempting to say that the USA is behind the "Arab Spring" revolts when in fact they were in bed with the dictators being overthrown, and trying to take the LIbyan revolution out of the "Arab Spring" because it really wasn't important until NATO weighted in against Gadhafi, and the idea that Russia and China's support for the Syrian tyrant is the correct view of that situation is absurd. Yes, Joe McCarthy was wrong for seeing commies in the state department, but you and the op-ed writers you endorse, promote and repost without comment are also wrong in seeing the USA and CIA as the engineer behind the "Arab Spring," as that leftist-anti-globalist view is simply wrong. My view of the situation is that the US military is down sizing - and will no longer have the capability to engage in two wars at once, will not be able to invade and occupy any country for ten years, and the military itself does not want to engage in these activities. The USA military, especially the US Navy however, will continue to protect US interests abroad and on the high seas, using smaller, elite special ops forces to do the jobs effectively and without a massive army on the ground. The Navy's rescue of an Iranian fishing vessel from pirates is an example of their mission, one that has not changed in the 200+ years that the US Navy has been engaged in the seas off Africa, as my Remember the Intrepid blog chronicles. There is also a major shift in US policy towards such dictators as those in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt, all of whom they supported this time last year, but now have sided with the people of those counties, and I hope this change in policy will extend to Syria and especially Yemen and Bahrain. Bill Kelly Revolutionary Program Remember the Intrepid Edited January 8, 2012 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 One boat helped......one million died in IRAQ ************************************************************************ Tunisia: The Arab Spring’s success story? link http://warincontext.org/2012/01/07/tunisia-the-arab-springs-success-story/ (see video) ***************************************oooooooo******************************************************** The Arab Spring is Fake to repeat http://occupyoakland.org/2011/12/the-%E2%80%9Carab-spring%E2%80%9D-is-fake/ ====================oooo============================= the naked facts blog/Monday, November 7, 2011 VIDEO - CAUGHT!!! (CIA FRONT) NED INFILTRATES OCCUPY WALL STREET ,USING ONE OF FOUNDERS OF IRANS GREEN REVOLUTION (PRO NEOLIBERALISM MOVEMENT) AND TUNISIAN REVOLUTION ACTIVIST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTQp0nNKPBs We are honored that three Middle Eastern and North African activists: Esraa Abdel Fattah - Egypt, Jamel Bettaieb - Tunisia, Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh - Iran, will be with us at OWS. Jamel Bettaieb - Tunisian activist and labor leader from the birth city of the Arab Spring - Sidi Bouzid. He recently won the 2011 NED Democracy award.Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh - Iranian women's rights activist, journalist, and filmmaker - one of the founders of the Iranian Green Movement, [i LOVE IT,BOTH CAUGHT...THE NED(CIA FRONT) IS A WASH DC NECON/ZIONIST FOUNDATION WICH PROMOTES(AND HAS EFFECTED) ILLEGAL COUPS AND OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENTS IN DEVELOPING WORLD http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Democracy ...THE TUNISIAN ACTIVIST AS YOU CAN SEE WON ZIOCON AWARD FROM NED..AND WHO IS ''Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh'' ? ALSO TIED TO NED !!! http://www.ned.org/fellowships/current-past-fellows/ms-mahboubeh-abbasgholizadeh [NOW..WHY IS GREEN MOVEMENT AT OCCUPY WALL STREET WHEN THEY CHAMPION NEOLIBERALISM??? IRAN: A vote against (GREEN PARTY) Neoliberalism http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/32191 Iran Greens draw their support overwhelmingly from the more privileged sections of the urban population and seek a speedy rapprochement with US imperialism. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/iran-m08.shtml CIA BACKED GREEN PARTY MOVEMENT http://thenakedfacts.blogspot.com/2011/09/cia-backed-green-party-movement.html Hamid Dabashi GREEN PARTY SPOKESPERSON EXPOSED. http://thenakedfacts.blogspot.com/2011/06/bswatch-war-in-context-exposed-arab.html Iran's 'Green' Movement Is a Front for US 'Regime Change' http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/pers-f20.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks for those links Steve, Tunisia: The Arab Spring's success story? is actually a pretty good "man on the street" interviews in English at a Tunisian cafe, sponsored by Aljezerra, who won't post their own documentary on the revolution in Bahrain anywhere in the Arab world. I agree with everything that is said, but doubt that you even watched or paid attention to it, as it doesn't support your contentions at all. They say they and their parents have been fighting for democracy for 30 years to no avail and all of a sudden it happened - and it happened for economic reasons - not because of the imperialists outsiders. One of the women also calls for a secular government - separating state and religion, "we're all Arabs" she says, but they want foreign economic aid - investments - they want to be able to serve American tourists alcohol and let them wear bikinis on the beach - and they don't want to go from dictatorship to Taliban, but want to encourage numerous political parties, and not one or two that will dominate. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. The Arab Spring is a Fake link goes an Occupy Oakland web site that's run by a guy who uses Hitler as a portrait of himself, and talks about Jews, Zionists and when its okay to shoot a cop. But he does provide a link to the trailer to the How To Start A Revolution - profile of Gene Sharp, who indeed is getting a lot of credit for writing the book From Dictatorship to Democracy, which promotes non-violent political action, and was used extensively in Egypt and Syria, but didn't work well in Libya when the non-violent protests broke down pretty quickly. But as is acknowledged Sharp didn't invent non-violent, peaceful political protests - as Gandi and MLK came first, but his manuscript - available on line - does lay out the strategies and tactics used in Egypt and are now being used in Syria, though most of those using them have never read or heard of Sharp. Although the annonuymous Nazi author of the site you quote doesn't explain it, he says that the National Endowment for Democracy is a front group (and it very well sounds like one) - but not for the CIA, rather for some "Wall Street-London Corporate financial interests" though he never says who they are or how Sharp's democratic inclinations support those interests, other than they apparently are the same interests as the young revolutionaries who are fighting the revolution. I find it ironic that the left wingers whose communists revolutions have failed are now opposed to the democratic economic revolutions that are succeeding today, and forcing those who previously advocated a people's revolution to side with the despotic state governments - like Gadhafi's Libya, Syria, Iran, China and Russia, and other dicatorships your annonymous Nazi friend calls "soverign governments." I suggest you read and learn who your sources are before you post and promote such ideas. BK ************************************************************************ Tunisia: The Arab Spring's success story? link http://warincontext....-success-story/ (see video) ***************************************oooooooo******************************************************** The Arab Spring is Fake to repeat http://occupyoakland...%80%9D-is-fake/ ====================oooo============================= the naked facts blog/Monday, November 7, 2011 VIDEO - CAUGHT!!! (CIA FRONT) NED INFILTRATES OCCUPY WALL STREET ,USING ONE OF FOUNDERS OF IRANS GREEN REVOLUTION (PRO NEOLIBERALISM MOVEMENT) AND TUNISIAN REVOLUTION ACTIVIST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTQp0nNKPBs We are honored that three Middle Eastern and North African activists: Esraa Abdel Fattah - Egypt, Jamel Bettaieb - Tunisia, Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh - Iran, will be with us at OWS. Jamel Bettaieb - Tunisian activist and labor leader from the birth city of the Arab Spring - Sidi Bouzid. He recently won the 2011 NED Democracy award.Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh - Iranian women's rights activist, journalist, and filmmaker - one of the founders of the Iranian Green Movement, [i LOVE IT,BOTH CAUGHT...THE NED(CIA FRONT) IS A WASH DC NECON/ZIONIST FOUNDATION WICH PROMOTES(AND HAS EFFECTED) ILLEGAL COUPS AND OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENTS IN DEVELOPING WORLD http://sourcewatch.o...t_for_Democracy ...THE TUNISIAN ACTIVIST AS YOU CAN SEE WON ZIOCON AWARD FROM NED..AND WHO IS ''Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh'' ? ALSO TIED TO NED !!! http://www.ned.org/f...abbasgholizadeh [NOW..WHY IS GREEN MOVEMENT AT OCCUPY WALL STREET WHEN THEY CHAMPION NEOLIBERALISM??? IRAN: A vote against (GREEN PARTY) Neoliberalism http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/32191 Iran Greens draw their support overwhelmingly from the more privileged sections of the urban population and seek a speedy rapprochement with US imperialism. http://www.wsws.org/.../iran-m08.shtml CIA BACKED GREEN PARTY MOVEMENT http://thenakedfacts...y-movement.html Hamid Dabashi GREEN PARTY SPOKESPERSON EXPOSED. http://thenakedfacts...posed-arab.html Iran's 'Green' Movement Is a Front for US 'Regime Change' http://www.wsws.org/.../pers-f20.shtml Edited January 8, 2012 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 The Arab Spring is a Fake link goes an Occupy Oakland web site that's run by a guy who uses Hitler as a portrait of himself, and talks about Jews, Zionists and when its okay to shoot a cop. Not surprising I suggest you read and learn who your sources are before you post and promote such ideas. Cutting and pasting is easier than reading! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks for those links Steve, Tunisia: The Arab Spring's success story? is actually a pretty good "man on the street" interviews in English at a Tunisian cafe, sponsored by Aljezerra, who won't post their own documentary on the revolution in Bahrain anywhere in the Arab world. I agree with everything that is said, but doubt that you even watched or paid attention to it, as it doesn't support your contentions at all. They say they and their parents have been fighting for democracy for 30 years to no avail and all of a sudden it happened - and it happened for economic reasons - not because of the imperialists outsiders. One of the women also calls for a secular government - separating state and religion, "we're all Arabs" she says, but they want foreign economic aid - investments - they want to be able to serve American tourists alcohol and let them wear bikinis on the beach - and they don't want to go from dictatorship to Taliban, but want to encourage numerous political parties, and not one or two that will dominate. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. The Arab Spring is a Fake link goes an Occupy Oakland web site that's run by a guy who uses Hitler as a portrait of himself, and talks about Jews, Zionists and when its okay to shoot a cop. But he does provide a link to the trailer to the How To Start A Revolution - profile of Gene Sharp, who indeed is getting a lot of credit for writing the book From Dictatorship to Democracy, which promotes non-violent political action, and was used extensively in Egypt and Syria, but didn't work well in Libya when the non-violent protests broke down pretty quickly. But as is acknowledged Sharp didn't invent non-violent, peaceful political protests - as Gandi and MLK came first, but his manuscript - available on line - does lay out the strategies and tactics used in Egypt and are now being used in Syria, though most of those using them have never read or heard of Sharp. Although the annonuymous Nazi author of the site you quote doesn't explain it, he says that the National Endowment for Democracy is a front group (and it very well sounds like one) - but not for the CIA, rather for some "Wall Street-London Corporate financial interests" though he never says who they are or how Sharp's democratic inclinations support those interests, other than they apparently are the same interests as the young revolutionaries who are fighting the revolution. I find it ironic that the left wingers whose communists revolutions have failed are now opposed to the democratic economic revolutions that are succeeding today, and forcing those who previously advocated a people's revolution to side with the despotic state governments - like Gadhafi's Libya, Syria, Iran, China and Russia, and other dicatorships your annonymous Nazi friend calls "soverign governments." I suggest you read and learn who your sources are before you post and promote such ideas. BK ************************************************************************ Tunisia: The Arab Spring's success story? link http://warincontext....-success-story/ (see video) ***************************************oooooooo******************************************************** The Arab Spring is Fake to repeat http://occupyoakland...%80%9D-is-fake/ ====================oooo============================= the naked facts blog/Monday, November 7, 2011 VIDEO - CAUGHT!!! (CIA FRONT) NED INFILTRATES OCCUPY WALL STREET ,USING ONE OF FOUNDERS OF IRANS GREEN REVOLUTION (PRO NEOLIBERALISM MOVEMENT) AND TUNISIAN REVOLUTION ACTIVIST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTQp0nNKPBs We are honored that three Middle Eastern and North African activists: Esraa Abdel Fattah - Egypt, Jamel Bettaieb - Tunisia, Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh - Iran, will be with us at OWS. Jamel Bettaieb - Tunisian activist and labor leader from the birth city of the Arab Spring - Sidi Bouzid. He recently won the 2011 NED Democracy award.Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh - Iranian women's rights activist, journalist, and filmmaker - one of the founders of the Iranian Green Movement, [i LOVE IT,BOTH CAUGHT...THE NED(CIA FRONT) IS A WASH DC NECON/ZIONIST FOUNDATION WICH PROMOTES(AND HAS EFFECTED) ILLEGAL COUPS AND OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENTS IN DEVELOPING WORLD http://sourcewatch.o...t_for_Democracy ...THE TUNISIAN ACTIVIST AS YOU CAN SEE WON ZIOCON AWARD FROM NED..AND WHO IS ''Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh'' ? ALSO TIED TO NED !!! http://www.ned.org/f...abbasgholizadeh [NOW..WHY IS GREEN MOVEMENT AT OCCUPY WALL STREET WHEN THEY CHAMPION NEOLIBERALISM??? IRAN: A vote against (GREEN PARTY) Neoliberalism http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/32191 Iran Greens draw their support overwhelmingly from the more privileged sections of the urban population and seek a speedy rapprochement with US imperialism. http://www.wsws.org/.../iran-m08.shtml CIA BACKED GREEN PARTY MOVEMENT http://thenakedfacts...y-movement.html Hamid Dabashi GREEN PARTY SPOKESPERSON EXPOSED. http://thenakedfacts...posed-arab.html Iran's 'Green' Movement Is a Front for US 'Regime Change' http://www.wsws.org/.../pers-f20.shtml ************************************************************ +The people fought for 30 years and it happened NOW. Because it was aided by NED elements. +In another POST you mentioned Russia,same point.They have fought for centuries ,its happening NOW because of NED elements. Ukraine and other "color" revolution were NED led.I have in posted vast information in this topic on this Education section I and others (like PD Scott,John Judge) consider this historical fact. +NED elements use Gene Sharp,thus your thinking is unsophisticated. +Because the Blogger uses the phrase "Wall Street-London Corporate financial interests",you think he is wrong. Bill, the CIA is the police of the rich. The NED and CIA work to promote ,as he says, coups for corporate interests. + Now the man has problems,however, I used him because of his OWS/NED datum (and he is new,Ive posted vast data here on NED already). This should be educational for you. OWS angers big money and NED comes part of it. == equation+ Arab protest,NED takes over leads protests 'equals' OWS protests,NED tries to take over lead protests. This is a simple analogy even for the unsophisticated. + Ive posted about the horror failed state of Iraq. Lets judge these revolutions on the end result. That would be sophisticated thinking.You have posted before how you supported the Iraq invasion. Lets see 'an example' of the end results of your unsophisticated thinking. ==========================================)))) 3 hours ago article below posted on the net================== Iraq’s unfinished story (DP-News) Each time Uncle Sam ventures abroad he leaves an unfinished story, and nowhere is it most unfinished than the story of Iraq, where despite flowery speeches regarding freedom and sovereignty by the Obama administration, despite assurances that tyranny has been “cast aside,” the tragedy caused by the United States invasion, occupation and inevitable abandonment is on an epic proportion. Never mind that sectarian violence continues unabated and much of the populace remains mired in poverty, and that there’s a distinct possibility that the country is on its way to becoming a failed state if the Sunnis and Shiites cannot find a way to collectively govern. The most unfinished story, however, is the population that the war has displaced. Whether tyranny has been cast aside is questionable, but certainly cast aside are the people of Iraq. They have been displaced both internally and internationally and are now imperiled by the sin of our omission. According to the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) there are 1.7 million Iraqis living as internally displaced refugees, while more than 2 million others have fled across the border to Syria, Egypt, Jordan and other countries. A Theme of Betrayal If the unfinished story has a theme, then it is surely betrayal. It is a painful lesson previous allies of the United States have learned a bitter pill to swallow. Uncle Sam left unwanted children in Vietnam known as con lai – mixed-race children — and it took years for them to come to the US, years in which many lived as abused and abandoned street children, as enemies of a society ashamed of their appearance and what they represented — children of the enemy. Uncle Sam also left tens of thousands of South Vietnamese allies to languish in re-education camps. And what of the thousands of Hmong fighters trained by the CIA during the Vietnam War to fight against communist guerrillas? They were abandoned in the jungle to fend for themselves against a government that aimed to eradicate them. Those who managed to escape to Thailand in recent times were told that it’s too late — they no longer qualify as refugees. “The current exodus [from Iraq] is the largest long-term population movement in the Middle East since the displacement of Palestinians following the creation of Israel in 1948,” according to the office of the UNHCR. Although some have managed to integrate into host countries, the majority are destitute. Desperate to feed their family, many women have resorted to prostitution or become indentured servants. At the height of the US occupation, as fighting worsened, many crossed the borders seeking safety. Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia all saw a rise in Iraqi refugees. Syria in particular, which shares a 450-mile border with Iraq, bore the brunt of the mass exodus. Syrian officials estimate more than 700,000 Iraqis of all stripes are now living inside their country. Nearly half of the children receive no schooling. Even worse, now that Syria itself has turned into a battlefield, the Iraqi refugees seeking safety there find themselves ironically in another version of Iraq and are searching for a new haven. Many fail to do so. Only a trickle allowed in US The number of refugees immigrating to the United States is at a trickle in comparison. So far only 58,811 Iraqis have been granted refugee status here. Indeed, if the US has won for Iraq its freedom and democracy, as our government claims, why—goes the logic–should we accept refugees? In the US, Homeland Security has enhanced its bureaucratic procedures, squeezing the immigration process so tightly that tens of thousands of those who qualify to come to the United States are languishing instead either in Iraq or elsewhere. Their lives are exponentially endangered now that US forces have pulled out. Various insurgent groups have targeted those working as interpreters for the US and British armies or for foreign journalists— not to mention those hired by American companies doing reconstruction or working in the Green Zone. “The Iraqis who stood with us are being targeted for assassination, yet our doors are shut. That is not how we treat our friends,” President Obama said while campaigning for the White House in 2008. That same year Congress passed a bill for special immigration visas to be issued for 25,000, although so far only 3,415 have been processed. “We’re not meeting our basic obligation to the Iraqis, who’ve been imperiled because they worked for the US government,” noted Kirk W Johnson in a New York Times article four years ago. Johnson, who worked for the United States Agency for International Development in Falluja in 2005, observed that, “We could not have functioned without their hard work, and it’s shameful that we’ve nothing to offer them in their bleakest hour.”More recently he noted in the Times that “our policy in the final weeks of this war is as simple as it is shameful: Submit your paperwork and wait.” Huddled Masses vs National Interests Do we have a moral obligation to those whose lives are endangered by their relationship with us, lives imperiled due to our intervention in Iraq? If the answer is no, then our Afghan partners might do well to consider other option. We should also ask what America really stands for. If the answer is no, the United States might consider removing the plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty on which we boast, “Give me your tired, your poor/ Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” The new one should read, “Nations have no permanent friends and no permanent enemies. Only permanent interests.” ===========================oo============== and my previous posting info ------------------oooo---------- In 1980, Iraq also had a relatively high living standard, even higher than that of Libya. This collapsed massively under the murderous UN embargo [1990-2003]. Their "liberation" from Saddam Hussein then toppled Iraqi society completely into the abyss. The collapse is still going on. Millions of Iraqis are starving, and the lack of food is still increasing. Half of the nearly 30 million people are now living in extreme poverty. Some 55 percent have no clean drinking water, 80 percent are not connected to the sewage system. Electricity is available only an hour here, an hour there; the once good health and education systems are flattened. Had the development of the conditions in the 1980s continued, the infant mortality rate would now well below 20 per 1000 births. In fact, according to a study by the aid agency Save the Children, by 2005 it had increased to 125. Iraq had been recognized by UNESCO in 1987 for its education system; illiteracy had been almost eliminated. Now, the illiteracy rate has already increased to over 25 percent in some areas it is already 40-50 percent among women. In general, Iraqi women have lost their once very good position in society. According to UNDP's index, they fell to the level of Saudi Arabia. (See Iraq - The Forgotten Occupation) There is no reason to assume that a "regime change" in Libya enforced by the NATO states would come out much better for the country (not to mention a long civil war and partition of the country altogether). Finally, the attacking forces and their agenda is almost identical and in many ways the leadership of the insurgency resembles the Iraqis that the U.S. set up in the government there -- that is, radical Islamic organizations and pro-Western, neo-liberal advocates of a complete opening to imperialism, and privatization of the economy of the country. Edited January 8, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 The Arab Spring is a Fake link goes an Occupy Oakland web site that's run by a guy who uses Hitler as a portrait of himself, and talks about Jews, Zionists and when its okay to shoot a cop. Not surprising I suggest you read and learn who your sources are before you post and promote such ideas. Cutting and pasting is easier than reading! &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Ok,will you accept the TIMES as a good source RE ARAB SPRING FAKE ?????????? -------------------------oooooooo----------------= New York Times titled, “U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings,” it was stated: “A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington.” The article would also add, regarding the US National Endowment for Democracy (NED): “The Republican and Democratic institutes are loosely affiliated with the Republican and Democratic Parties. They were created by Congress and are financed through the National Endowment for Democracy, which was set up in 1983 to channel grants for promoting democracy in developing nations. The National Endowment receives about $100 million annually from Congress. Freedom House also gets the bulk of its money from the American government, mainly from the State Department. ” It is hardly a speculative theory then, that the uprisings were part of an immense geopolitical campaign conceived in the West and carried out through its proxies with the assistance of disingenuous foundations, organizations, and the stable of NGOs they maintain throughout the world. As we will see, preparations for the “Arab Spring” and the global campaign that is now encroaching on both Russia and China, as predicted in February 2011′s “The Middle East & then the World,” began not as unrest had already begun, but years before the first “fist” was raised, and within seminar rooms in D.C. and New York, US-funded training facilities in Serbia, and camps held in neighboring countries, not within the Arab World itself. ===================== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) "It is hardly a speculative theory then, that the uprisings were part of animmense geopolitical campaign conceived in the West and carried out through itsproxies with the assistance of disingenuous foundations, organizations, and the stable of NGOs they maintain throughout the world. As we will see, preparationsfor the "Arab Spring" and the global campaign that is now encroaching on bothRussia and China, as predicted in February 2011′s "The Middle East & thenthe World," began not as unrest had already begun, but years before the first"fist" was raised, and within seminar rooms in D.C. and New York, US-fundedtraining facilities in Serbia, and camps held in neighboring countries, notwithin the Arab World itself." Tunisia's revolution isn't a product of Twitter or WikiLeaks. But they do help | By TimothyGarton Ash http://www.facebook....117570381641684 The internet alone won't set anyone free. Between north Africa and Belarus,we are learning just what it can and can't do http://apps.facebook...witter-facebook 'The Kleenex Revolution"? Somehow I think not. Unless,that is, you follow Libyan president Muammar Gaddafi. In a televised denunciation of the popular uprising that has deposed his friendly neighbouring dictator, he ranted: "Even you, my Tunisian brothers, you may be reading this Kleenex and empty talk on the internet." (Kleenex is how Gaddafi refers to WikiLeaks.) "Any useless person, any xxxx, any drunkard, anyone under the influence,anyone high on drugs can talk on the internet, and you read what he writes and you believe it. This is talk which is for free. Shall we become the victims of Facebook and Kleenex and YouTube?" To which, since the speaker is another dictator, I devoutly hope that the answer is "Yes". Let Kleenex wipe them away, one after another, like blobs of phlegm. But will it? What contribution do websites, social networks and mobile phones make to popular protest movements? Is there any justification for labelling the Tunisian events, as some have done, a "TwitterRevolution" or a "WikiLeaks Revolution"? A remarkable young Belarussian activist-analyst, Evgeny Morozov, has just challenged the lazy assumptions behind such politico-journalistic tags in a book called The Net Delusion, which went to press before theTunisian rising. The subtitle of the British edition is "How Not to Liberate the World". Morozov has fun deriding and demolishing the naively optimistic visions which, particularly in the United States, seem to accompany the emergence of every new communications technology. (I remember an article a quarter-century ago entitled "The fax will set you free".) He shows that claims for the contribution of Twitter and Facebook to Iran's green movement were exaggerated. These new technologies can also be used by dictators to watch, entrap and persecute their opponents. Above all, he insists that the internet does not suspend the usual workings of power politics. It ispolitics that decides whether the dictator will be toppled, as in Tunisia,or the bloggers beaten and locked up, as in Morozov's native Belarus. His challenge is salutary but, like most revisionists, Morozov exaggerates in the opposite direction. Tunisia offers a timely corrective to his corrective. For it seems that here the internet did play a significant role in spreading news of the suicide which sparked the protests, and then in multiplying those protests. An estimated 18%of the Tunisian population is on Facebook, and the dictator neglected to block it in time. Among the educated young who came out in force, we can besure that the level of online (and mobile phone) participation was higher. Thescholar Noureddine Miladi quotes an estimate that half the Tunisian television audience watches satellite TV, and he notes:"Al-Jazeera heavily relied on referencing Facebook pages and YouTube inreporting the raw events." So professional satellite TV fed off online citizen journalism. Moreover, these media leap frontiers. A leading British scholar of the Maghreb showed me his Facebook page, which has many of his Maghrebian former students as Facebook friends. Several of the Moroccans had turned their Facebook icons to the Tunisian flag, or aTunisia-Morocco love-heart, to show their enthusiasm for the first people-powertoppling of an Arab dictator in more than 45 years. That's a tiny group, to besure – but elites matter, in opposition movements as in everything else. Before Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali's fall, his regime had struck back against the netizens, mounting "phishing" attacks on Gmail and Facebook accounts, harvesting passwords and email lists of presumed opponents, and then arresting prominent bloggers such as Slim Amamou. This reinforces Morozov's point that the internet is a double-edged sword: yet it is also aback-handed tribute to the importance of these new media. As I write, theformerly imprisoned Amamou has become a member of a new, interim coalition government. Nobody knows that will happen tomorrow, but thus far theTunisian rising has been a hugely heartening development – especially because it was an authentic, homegrown, largely spontaneous movement, with little active support from western powers. (Sometimes quite the reverse: France was, until the very last minute, offering its security expertise to keep Tunisia's Louis XVI in power. For shame, Madame Liberté, for shame.) The transformed information and communications technologies of our time played a role in enabling this rising to succeed. They did notcause it, but they helped. Specialists argue that Tunisia, with its small, relatively homogenous, urban, educated population, and (fornow) moderate, peaceful, largely exiled Islamists, can become a beacon of change in the Maghreb. If things go well, the internetand satellite TV will spread that news across the Arab world. So yes, the internet furnishes weapons for the oppressors aswell as the oppressed – but not, as Morozov seems to imply, in equal measure.On balance it offers more weapons to the oppressed. I think Hillary Clinton istherefore right to identify global information freedom in general, and internetfreedom in particular, as one of the defining opportunities of our time. Butthere are also dangers here, which Morozov usefully points out. If the struggle for internet freedom is too closelyidentified with US foreign policy, and in turn with US companies such asGoogle, Facebook and Twitter – which in personnel terms are beginning to havesomething of a "revolving door" relationship with the US government –this can end up damaging the purpose it is meant to serve. Authoritarian regimes everywhere will redouble their efforts to censor and monitor those American platforms that, not accidentally, among the best and most open wehave. Instead, these regimes will promote their own, more restricted native alternatives, such as Baidu in China. The USgovernment as a whole is also deeply inconsistent in its approach to internetfreedom. It berates Chinaand Iran forcovert monitoring of opponents while doing the same itself against those itdefines as threats to national security. It lauds global information freedomwhile denouncing WikiLeaks as, in Clinton'sextraordinary words, "a threat to the international community". Again, Tunisiais instructive. Talk of a "WikiLeaks revolution" is as absurd as that of a "Twitter revolution", but WikiLeaks revelations about what the US knew of the Ben Ali regime's rampant corruption did contribute something tothe pot of misery boiling over. There was even a special website to disseminateand discuss the Tunisia-related US cables (tunileaks.org). Obviously, Tunisians did not need WikiLeaks totell them that their presidential family was a goon-protected self-enrichmentcartel; but having detailed chapter and verse, with the authority of the USstate department, and seeing how much the publicly regime-friendly American superpower privately disliked it, and knowing that other Tunisians must know that too, since the American reports were there online for all to see – all this surely had an impact. So if Clinton wishes to argue, as I believe she legitimately can, that the American-pioneered infrastructure of global information exchangehas contributed to the fragile rebirth of freedom in Tunisia, then she should really put in a word of appreciation for WikiLeaks – or for Kleenex, if you prefer the Gaddafi version. But do not hold your breath. Edited January 14, 2012 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Eye of the beholder Bill...glass half empty or half filled ??? http://rt.com/news/tunisia-anniversary-037/ http://rt.com/news/university-ennahda-niqab-tunisia-777/ GENE SHARP INTERVIEW FEW DAYS AGO Edited January 14, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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