Stan Wilbourne

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Here's how I think the assassination may have happened: Kennedy had an array of enemies. A president always does. Each faction of enemies was used in some way in the plot to kill him. That way, the dog continually chases its tail. Research never gets very far. Or, at least, moves very, very slowly. The Mafia Texas Anti-Castro Cubans The Military The CIA Researchers see someone involved from one of these groups (or others) and wrongly conclude that is who ordered the murder. But, I think those that gave the order to kill JFK were insulated and removed themselves from the actual process of carrying out his assassination. It's the old magician's trick of having the audience watch the right hand while the left performs the "magic". Now, what was the most powerful element in the US in 1963? Who was the most powerful man of that element? Was it/he at odds with Kennedy? Over what? Would this powerful man/element have had the use and ties to Texas, The Mafia, Cubans, the Military? Intell? The research, intelligence, and passion I see on this forum amazes me. I am a lout compared. My view of this crime continues to evolve and change. Like Cliff and Tony Soprano, I've lost a lot of pets over the years. John McCloy and Allen Dulles, I think, were central to the plot. But there was a higher power at work. Who did these two work for?

I grabbed the following from Debra Conway over at Lancer -- hope I'm not breaking any rules, but I think it is interesting. To me this makes a lot of sense. The most sense, actually. Now, who is "Group One"?

Myra, with all sincerity, I say you are like the soft summer breeze. Always refreshing. It would be my guess that those who have you in their daily lives consider themselves to be most fortunate.

These funds are explained in some detail in Sterling Seagrave's great book, Gold Warriors. Hello John, Could you tell us where Seagrave puts the source of those funds?

Happy birthday there, Terry. Hope it's a good one.

Steve I posted a similar question a day or two ago, only I asked if this was Badge Man. He is hatless and appears from that distance to resemble the image from the Moorman photograph. Also, he appears to have an accomplice possibly placing something in the trunk or back of the car? - the figure in the railroad hat to the side of Badge Man in the polaroid? Didn't White have the same stocky build?

Is that a possibility?

Robert, So, if I am clear, in your view, Allen Dulles could've/was most likely to have ordered this murder? Allen Dulles. In your own mind, after all these years, have you reached this conclusion? This is of great interest to me. Thanks again for responding. Stan

Robert, Wait. Do you think those two (Hunt and Dulles) could've done all this on their own? If not, who was above? After all these years, in my elemental view, it comes to one of two choices. A debate is raging on this forum now of those two. I greatly respect your opinion. I'm sure others here do as well. You've earned that. I'm sure you've spent a good portion of your life (and vast intellect) on this case. Who, in your view, ordered the execution of John Kennedy?

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Myra, thanks for posting that. The Kennedy assassination is a tangled mess of yarn. When you get to the very end, in my view, it leads to what you posted above and who, really, was behind the murder of John Kennedy.

Cliff, throw Allen Dulles in there. For whom did he work, really? And, all the names you mentioned were loyal to Dulles. I believe all it took was one conversation between one (very rich and powerful) man and Dulles and the whole thing swung into being. Again, for whom did Allen Dulles work? Terry said it very well above. Who does the CIA really represent? Who does the U.S. military really represent? For the extremely wealthy there are no consequences - except, that is, between them and God. I don't believe now that it really had anything to do with Cuba. It was a battle for control of the government - Cuba was a backdrop just like a lot of the other stuff. JFK was too smart for them, and they (the eastern established ruling class) would not allow everything they had to be taken away. Not one inch. Jack, Bobby, and then Ted? No way. Also, I think part of this was personal. JFK was slaughtered in public. There were so many other ways they could've taken him out. He dared to take on the powers that be in a very reckless way -- very much like he lived the rest of his life. The Rockefellers The Morgans The Lodges Dean Acheson Walt Rostow The Bundys Bankers and the War Party. That's where I am today. FWIW.

I think it could have been as simple as a single conversation between two (or possibly a few more) wealthy and powerful people. The rest gets entangled because of that vast wealth and power and obscures the view. Ask yourself a very simple question. Who was the most powerful man in the country in 1963? Would he have had reason to want John Kennedy dead? The power that killed JFK was absolute. It didn’t hope to get away with this crime. It didn’t think it could. It knew. Who does/did the CIA, the U.S. military, Allen Dulles, John McCloy, Maxwell Taylor really work for? If this power had hold of the presidency, and had for a long time, would it let go? Terry Mauro, what do you think?