Paul Trejo Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) I've read scores of issues of the American Opinion magazine, and several books by JBS authors. Their President-hating, Fake Patriotism is very clear to the honest and unbiased observer. Also, the COVERT HOSTILITY of Robert Welch wasn't in his allegedly "honest" reporting of the progress of Communism, but in his insidious claims that sitting US Presidents were Communist Traitors. It isn't really clear to me that such unpatriotic drivel should be protected by the First Amendment -- it's very close to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Whether or not John Birch Society leaders should have been brought up on charges, I still maintain that their anti-culture was the direct cause of the Zeitgeist that encouraged and concealed the JFK Killers.. Regards, --Paul Trejo Edited September 30, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Lazar Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) I've read scores of issues of the American Opinion magazine, and several books by JBS authors. Their President-hating, Fake Patriotism is very clear to the honest and unbiased observer. Also, the COVERT HOSTILITY of Robert Welch wasn't in his allegedly "honest" reporting of the progress of Communism, but in his insidious claims that sitting US Presidents were Communist Traitors. It isn't really clear to me that such unpatriotic drivel should be protected by the First Amendment -- it's very close to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Whether or not John Birch Society leaders should have been brought up on charges, I still maintain that their anti-culture was the direct cause of the Zeitgeist that encouraged and concealed the JFK Killers.. Regards, --Paul Trejo That's why we have more to fear from you than from the Birch Society. The reasons are as follows: 1. Since its inception (December 1958 but first chapters formed February 1959) virtually the entire political establishment in our country (right-wing and left-wing) rejected the JBS and its ideas as "extremist" and "irresponsible". The most well-known and influential conservatives of the 1960's including Sen. Barry Goldwater and William Buckley Jr. plus arguably the most respected conservative intellectual in 20th century America (Russell Kirk) all denounced Welch and the JBS. And so did J. Edgar Hoover!! 2. Furthermore, if you review the Gallup polling which was done several times on the JBS -- no significant percentage of the American people ever thought that the JBS was a worthwhile or respectable organization. 3. Consequently, as a society, we had nothing to fear from the JBS because everyone already rejected them decades ago. 4. When the JBS or its surrogates were brought into a courtroom environment because of libelous statements or articles they circulated --- the JBS and its surrogates lost big-time --- including the most significant case which produced a precedent-setting historic change in American libel law (Gertz v. Robert Welch Inc.). The JBS wound up paying Gertz $400,000 in compensatory and punitive damages. (In today's dollars, that would be approximately $16,753,321!!!) 4. HOWEVER --- persons like yourself POSE as patriotic and intelligent and fair-minded individuals BUT then you demand that we dismantle our civil liberties in order to "get at" groups like the JBS. As you have written repeatedly in multiple threads here in EF, you think that Birchers are guilty of "treason" -- and everybody knows the prescribed punishment for treason. But TO YOU, freedom of speech is ONLY permissible when something said (or written) does not offend your particular sensibilities and you chafe at the notion that unpopular speech should be "protected by the First Amendment". Why stop with the JBS? Who is next on YOUR list? I've told you this before -- and I will repeat it now: YOUR thought processes are IDENTICAL to not only the JBS members I have debated for the past 40+ years, your thought process is IDENTICAL to every right-wing radical and political extremist I have ever confronted or read about. If you doubt me -- then just review the FBI files I have donated to Internet Archive in the "extreme right" category. Those files contain thousands of copies of newsletters, flyers, magazine articles, newspapers, speech transcripts, excerpts from recorded phone conversations --- so you will be able to easily recognize YOUR mentality in action. Lastly, why stop with JBS members? Why not expand your hatred to everyone whom (as you wrote) was influenced by their "Zeitgeist"? So, for example, if someone who normally votes for a moderate conservative happens to like an idea which the JBS initiated or supports --- then let's put THEM on trial for "treason" too -- right? [incidentally, that would include ME -- because I agree with the JBS about telling the United Nations to locate elsewhere and I also agree with them with respect to the need to eliminate entire federal government agencies which do nothing to improve the lives of our people.] Edited September 30, 2015 by Ernie Lazar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) CELEBRATION OF SEPTEMBER 2015 In celebration of the fact that this new book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: The Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy, by Dr. Jeffrey Caufield, was shipped this month, September, 2015, I am offering my three-part series in Smashwords on the history of Edwin Walker free of charge for the rest of this month. Here are the URL's and the Coupon Codes you need to obtain these three volumes free of charge: Promotional price: $0.00 A Brief History of Ex-General Edwin Walker (by Paul Trejo, 2012) -- Part One https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/501625 Your coupon code is RG63Z (not case-sensitive). -- Part Two https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/501629 Your coupon code is HQ39Z (not case-sensitive). -- Part Three https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/501646 Your coupon code is CV94J (not case-sensitive). Enjoy! --Paul Trejo, MA Just a reminder, folks, that this FREE OFFER ends at midnight tonight. Today is the very last day to take advantage of this offer, and obtain a copy of my three-part Smashwords eBook, absolutely free of charge. Best regards, --Paul Trejo Edited September 30, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Lazar Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Wow, Paul, your comments are truly astounding. Actual behavior is not as important as alleged thoughts and covert hostility. BTW -- interesting how you diverted attention from your absolute falsehoods. 1. Drennan never told the FBI anything. Someone who spoke to Drennan contacted the FBI. 2. Drennan never told the person he spoke to that Walker was "planning" any murder. 3. The FBI never "deliberately concealed" anything re: Drennan's comments....In reality, the FBI immediately informed the AG, the Deputy AG, the Assistant AG for Internal Security and the Secret Service (twice on same day). 4. Robert K. Brown did not provide anything which connected the JBS or Walker to any murder plot -- thus falsifying your opening phrase, "In the Drennan/Robert K. Brown documents of April 1963". [in any event, there were no "Brown documents" in April 1963.] Could anyone, BESIDES YOU, get so many things totally wrong in just ONE message? Covert Hostility -- especially of the political variety as epitomized in the John Birch Society -- was what killed JFK. It's more dangerous because it's so insidious -- so SNEAKY. So DISHONEST. Backstabbers are always more dangerous than courageous opponents -- because the honest person has a 50/50 chance with an honest warrior. When Edwin Walker was a US General, he was an honorable man. After Walker joined the John Birch Society and quit the US Army (forfeiting his Army pension) he became a dishonorable agent -- a highly trained US General transformed into a monstrous political activist -- not face to face -- but drifting toward the JBS mode of COVERT HOSTILITY. (For example, in his personal papers of his Grand Jury hearing for the Ole Miss riots, Edwin Walker claimed that he was at Ole Miss "in order to calm things down." Yet he encouraged violence there, as eye-witnesses, including a living Bishop, widely attest. That's just one instance of what I mean by COVERT HOSTILITY.) BTW -- COVERT HOSTILITY always translates into actual behavior -- though HIDDEN. Like the JFK murder. Metaphorically speaking, JFK was stabbed in the back by sundry members of the John Birch Society. 1. It simply doesn't matter that the FBI files on Drennan were 3rd party -- they were RELIABLE. 2. Drennan admitted that WALKER was a JFK HATER, who, like all JBS "True Patriots" condemned JFK as a COMMUNIST, that is, as a TRAITOR, that is, as an ENEMY OF THE STATE. It was a death sentence to rational people (though the Covert Hostility of the JBS would simply look around innocently and exclaim, "Who, me??"). 3. The FBI *clearly* "deliberately concealed" the entire Drennan File from the Warren Commission. That was the original point, and that was my point. And you know it. 4. The picayune trivia that you try to slice out of each sentence, Ernie, is obvious to most readers. You're evading the elephant in the room, Ernie -- namely -- that the Radical Right Wing as led by the resigned General Walker was known to be COVERTLY HOSTILE to JFK back in April of 1963. And the Warren Commission never heard hide nor hair of it! IMHO, --Paul Trejo Paul -- when you made this comment: 3. The FBI *clearly* "deliberately concealed" the entire Drennan File from the Warren Commission. That was the original point, and that was my point. And you know it. You don't mean that the Warren Commission was never informed about Drennan, do you? Or that the Commission never was sent any FBI reports which contain references to Col. Robert K. Brown's comments about Drennan? Edited October 1, 2015 by Ernie Lazar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Returning to the first chapter of Dr. Jeffrey Caufield's new book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: The Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy, I'd like to highlight page 34.Caufield wishes to show that Lee Harvey Oswald interacted with Guy Banister in NOLA. Aside from the many sightings already well-known, e.g.those presented by Jim Garrison in 1968, Caufield wishes to show a negative correlation. Caufield writes: Most, if not all, of Lee Harvey Oswald's public theatrics involved an associate of Guy Banister acting as his adversary. In April 1964, Oswald was involved in some way wiht a shooting at General Edwin Walker's Dallas home, and admitted his involvement to his wife. He ostentatiously handed out pro-Castro literature in downtown New Orleans and got into a scuffle with anti-Castro Carlos Bringuier. He debated Ed Butler, a staunch anti-Communist on the radio. In each of those instances, his supposed adversaries (General Walker, Carlos Bringuier, and Ed Butler) were all close associates of Guy Banister." (Caufield, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy, 2015, p. 34, emphasis added) Caufield also notes two more seemingly unrelated incidents of Oswald's political activity in 1963, namely, his attendance at a CORE voting registration line in New Orleans, and also at a NOCPA rally. At both of those activities, associates of Guy Banister were also seen with Oswald! Caufield is only getting started here, yet he is presenting historical material in a way that portrays Lee Harvey Oswald moving in right-wing circles -- despite the fact that the Warren Commission insisted forcefully insisted that Lee Harvey Oswald was moving in left-wing circles, although as a "Lone Nut." In this sense Caufield presents a classic CT, but with a twist -- i.e. Oswald actually knew the people who set him up as a Patsy. Regards,--Paul Trejo Edited October 1, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Back in the first chapter of Dr. Jeffrey Caufield's new book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: The Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy, I'd like to highlight page 45. Caufield wishes to show that Jim Garrison's failed case against Clay Shaw nevertheless provided some useful information for historians, that otherwise might never have been presented. First, Garrison identified Guy Banister and David Ferrie as accomplices of Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Secondly, Garrison observed that LHO wasn't a Communist, but was being used by Guy Banister as a right wing provocateur. Jim Garrison had relied on a key witness -- Jack S. Martin -- who was nevertheless also a notorious drunkard, and so the FBI dismissed these allegations quickly, and let David Ferrie back on the street. Caufield writes: Unfortunately, Garrison claimed he did not know why Oswald had been used or what his role was. After the story broke that he was secretly investigating the assassination, Garrison announced that ultra-rightists were behind the murder. Soon after, he abruptly changed course and announced that government intelligence was responsible for the murder. His case and credibility sharply dropped thereafter. (Caufield, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy, 2015, p. 45) Jim Garrison, argues Dr. Caufield, was stunned when the FBI didn't want to pursue his Suspect #1, namely, David Ferrie. Caufield then opines that the FBI's quick release of David Ferrie might be related to Guy Banister's close relationship to J. Edgar Hoover. Yet this point was confusing unto itself -- for Jim Garrison it meant that the US Government was involved in the JFK Cover-up because it was also involved in the JFK murder. Therefore, Jim Garrison shifted his original theory of the JFK murder as a Radical Right Conspiracy, into a theory of the JFK murder as a US Government Conspiracy. The CIA, FBI, and SS were all supporting David Ferrie and Guy Banister, thought Jim Garrison, and so LHO must have really been working for the US Government. I agree with Dr. Caufield that Jim Garrison's case and credibility took a sharp drop because of that switch -- not because the US Government cannot easily criticize itself -- but because the need for evidence gave way to sheer speculation and conspiracy paranoia. If Jim Garrison had doggedly pursued his original theory of a Radical Right conspiracy in the JFK murder, then, when the FBI released David Ferrie so quickly, Garrison might have given J. Edgar Hoover the benefit of the doubt, and recognized that the "Lone Nut" theory was indeed vital to US National Security during the dangerous Cold War period -- precisely because of the Radical RIght conspiracy in the murder of JFK. Regards, --Paul Trejo Edited October 2, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Returning again to the first chapter of Dr. Jeffrey Caufield's new book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: The Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy, I'd like to highlight page 48. Caufield concludes this chapter by noting that at least eleven witnesses saw Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) in the presence of Guy Banister. Other witnesses saw LHO in the presence of Banister's close associates, such as Sergio Arcacha Smith, David Ferrie, and Kent Courtney. One witness, a US Border Patrol agent with impeccable credentials, told the HSCA that he frequently saw LHO and David Ferrie coming and going from Guy Banister's office. Yet it was Guy Banister's stand on Segregation that shone most prominently for Dr. Caufield, and he notes that this stand did not shine similarly for Jim Garrison. Caufield writes: Neither Jim Garrison nor the HSCA, the only ones to investigate Guy Banister, made not of Banister's extensive and all-consuming career as a segregationist...Banister's role in Senator Eastland's Senate Committee that persecuted those who challenged the sacred Southern institution of segregation -- which faced extinction under the Kennedy administration -- was also somehow missed...It became an ingrained myth initiated by Jim Garrison -- and carried on in conspiracy books -- that Guy Banister's extensive files were related to CIA activities, when there is no evidence that they were. (Caufield, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy, p. 48) Actually, claims Dr. Caufield, Guy Banister's active role in Southern states' inquisitions against Earl Warren's integration movement were the true substance of Banister files, which resembled those of the SSIS and the HUAC, targeting integrationists and liberals. CT literature to date, suggests Caufield, has failed to highlight Banister's association with a large number of ultra-rightist and segregationist groups that passionately hated JFK. The link between Guy Banister and LHO is the first key, suggests Caufield, to solving the JFK murder. Whether portraying LHO as a Communist or as a "Lone Nut," there has been a distinct tendency to avoid thinking of LHO as moving in right-wing circles. Regards, --Paul Trejo Edited October 3, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Lazar Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Over the years, as I have submitted FOIA requests to various agencies, I have always tried to include death records on persons connected to the organizations who were the subjects of my requests so that any documents released by the FBI would contain less redactions than otherwise would be the case. It occurred to me as I was reading Dr. Caufield's book, that there may be readers here who plan to pursue their own research into the people, organizations, and events discussed by Caufield. With that in mind, I copy below one of the "death records lists" which I use when I submit certain types of requests. This one was primarily for requests on the Constitution Party of the U.S. Hope it helps someone with their own research! [The use of "RIDS Dead List" on certain names was merely to alert the FBI that they already had proof-of-death on some people because their names appears on the FBI's own internal list of deceased individuals which is called "RIDS Dead List".] DECEASED PERSON NAME SSN BIRTHDATE DEATH G. Seals Aiken 253-36-0451 08-08-1898 12-76 Thomas Jefferson Anderson 409-10-4628 11-07-10 08-30-02 T. Coleman Andrews Sr., aka Thomas Coleman Andrews Sr. 578-48-1899 10-15-83 George Washington Armstrong Jr. 04-27-00 01-03-65 Bertha D. Bailey 526-50-7160 01-04-1888 07-15-67 Catherine Palfray Baldwin 091-40-3260 11-08-1881 03-68 Ross Robert Barnett (former Governor MS) 425-82-3369 01-22-1898 11-06-87 John U. Barr Sr. 434-36-9519 01-27-1889 06-06-64 Carlton Evans Beal 574-03-1436 09-13-14 08-23-94 Ted Billings aka Theodore Billings 299-07-8286 05-06-06 05-77 Harry W. Binegar 302-03-4552 06-02-01 02-88 Arthur G. Blazey (Dr.) 309-48-3432 01-27-08 02-18-95 Marian Mae Blazey aka Marian Mae Burkett aka Mrs. Arthur Blazey 309-48-1584 04-26-10 10-19-92 Edgar Eugene Bradley 550-26-1051 08-23-18 07-28-04 Jerry Milton Brooks (FBI #845-657-A) 487-32-6333 01-13-30 12-25-05 Jack William Brown aka William Brown (Dixie Klans Imperial Wizard) 413-36-5575 05-04-09 10-04-65 Richard Girnt Butler (RIDS Dead List) 568-03-6017 02-23-18 09-08-04 Herbert Wallace Butterworth aka Wally Butterworth 082-03-0984 10-25-01 02-24-74 Olga Butterworth 163-01-8487 11-30-1895 02-79 Mary Dawson Cain 08-17-04 05-06-84 Everett John Claycamp 308-40-7884 04-26-12 10-12-01 Upton Close aka Josef Washington Hall 02-27-1894 11-13-60 Alvin A. Cobb 435-28-4641 04-22-02 02-84 Richard Berkeley Cotten (RIDS Dead List) 556-05-4807 09-18-19 06-18-98 Kent Howard Courtney (RIDS Dead List) 539-09-1329 10-23-18 08-12-97 Phoebe Greene Courtney (RIDS Dead List) 433-02-8190 03-13-18 09-14-98 Lucille Cardin Crain 061-01-3820 08-28-01 02-83 Merritt Barton Curtis (Brig. General, USMC) 579-34-6132 08-31-1892 05-16-66 Curtis Bean Dall 083-18-2391 10-24-1896 06-28-91 Mary McPhilomy Davison 072-10-6449 03-02-1896 06-13-78 James Parker Dees (Rev.) 237-16-6665 12-20-15 12-25-90 Pedro Augusto Del Valle aka P.A. Del Valle 094-24-8109 08-28-1893 04-28-78 Robert Bolivar DePugh 499-18-3700 04-15-23 06-30-09 Stanley L. Drennan (M.D.) 07-15-16 09-04-08 James Oliver Eastland (U.S. Senator, MS) 428-74-0194 11-28-04 02-19-86 Bertram Ellis aka Bert Ellis 141-07-0069 12-19-15 05-08-96 Philip Lee Eubank 465-03-9728 09-15-1890 12-71 Medford Bryan Evans 415-34-3355 08-21-07 02-04-89 Harry T. Everingham 321-18-4076 08-14-08 05-01-05 Myron Coureval Fagan 063-16-9694 10-31-1886 05-12-72 Halliburton Fales 087-32-5712 04-02-1885 05-70 Bonner Frank Fellers (Brig. General, US Army) 579-38-6958 02-07-1896 10-07-73 Edward W. Focke 274-14-2108 05-08-1882 02-66 George T. Foster 332-32-8621 11-06-1894 10-28-88 William Potter Gale (RIDS Dead List) 569-18-2561 11-20-16 04-28-88 Kenneth Goff aka Oliver Kenneth Goff aka “John Keats” 09-19-14 04-11-72 Percy L. Greaves 131-10-4163 08-24-06 08-13-14 Louise Gronnert aka Marian Lou Gronnert 540-09-4419 04-01-04 03-23-82 Millard Dee Grubbs 403-14-0203 08-07-1886 07-17-72 James Evetts Haley aka J. Evetts Haley 462-90-3960 07-25-01 10-09-95 Loran Eugene Hall aka Lorenzo Hall 515-20-3802 01-04-30 04-17-95 Billy James Hargis 455-20-3977 08-23-25 11-27-04 Merwin Kimball Hart 064-07-0484 06-25-1881 11-30-62 Augereau J. Heinsohn Jr. aka A.G. Heinsohn Jr. 411-05-5589 04-02-1896 07-31-80 Jack M. Helm (KKK leader) 02-07-10 W.D. Herrstrom aka William Dewey Herrstrom 468-36-8430 06-20-1898 08-02-90 Alexander F. Hudgins 224-01-2611 04-22-06 05-11-90 Hal Hunt aka Harold Wheeler Hunt 540-20-1123 05-111892 02-08-88 H.L. Hunt aka Haroldson Lafayette Hunt 02-17-1889 11-29-74 Emmett Lee Irwin Jr. 01-03-1893 10-08-65 Joseph Peter Kamp 262-89-1848 05-03-00 06-07-93 Vivian Kellems 113-09-8118 06-07-1896 01-25-75 Jack Kershaw 10-12-19 09-07-10 J. Bracken Lee aka Joseph Bracken Lee 529-10-8030 01-07-1899 10-20-96 Norman F. Liermann 387-20-9430 12-13-05 04-30-82 Joseph Benton Lightburn 235-34-5546 08-29-1899 12-03-80 Bertha B. Lininger (Dr.) 551-80-8117 03-10-1889 09-15-70 Bard A. Logan 304-09-1722 04-04-12 02-16-78 John Russell Maguire aka J. Russell Maguire aka Russell Maguire 093-10-9884 07-27-1897 11-10-66 W. Henry McFarland Jr. aka William Henry McFarland Jr. (RIDS Dead List) 172-22-4359 05-09-21 01-15-96 Lucille S. Miller 009-56-4858 06-13-10 02-77 Joseph Adams Milteer 261-32-0646 02-26-02 02-23-74 Harold Montgomery (Senator, Louisiana State Senate) 437-48-9596 04-19-11 12-17-98 Richard Bartholomew Moran (Brig. General, US Army) 466-58-5495 11-26-1895 02-13-72 Robert John Morris 051-14-3181 09-30-14 12-29-96 Eustace Clarence Mullins Jr. 223-18-8681 03-29-23 02-20-10 Revilo Pendleton Oliver 358-42-3679 07-07-08 08-10-94 Leander Henry Perez Sr. 07-16-1891 03-19-69 Harold P. Poeschel 135-07-5761 11-20-11 04-06-89 Stanley Pospisil 267-24-1028 06-25-1892 03-16-71 Oren Fenton Potito (RIDS Dead List) 024-24-9686 06-07-31 05-02-95 Kirk Edward Ragland 567-48-1498 06-26-37 06-11-97 William Monroe Rainach aka Willie M. Rainach 434-18-8881 07-31-13 01-26-78 Francis Xavier Ranuzzi aka Francis X. Renault aka Frank X. Ranuzzi 579-10-6646 02-17-18 08-17-96 Franz L. Ralston 159-07-5119 10-30-02 02-84 John Richard Rarick (U.S. Congressman) 312-18-6242 01-29-24 09-14-09 Jackson George Ricau 438-05-7199 02-04-18 02-10-01 H.S. Riecke Jr. aka Henry S. Riecke Jr. 436-03-7882 01-17-08 03-84 Archibald Edward Roberts aka Arch Roberts 237-05-9922 03-21-15 07-28-06 Delphine Points Roberts 436-13-1699 02-25-05 02-76 George Washington Robnett 321-18-6766 12-30-1886 01-70 George Lincoln Rockwell (RIDS Dead List) 039-09-5458 03-19-18 08-25-67 Robert Marvin Shelton (RIDS Dead List) 424-34-0016 06-12-29 03-17-03 William James Simmons (RIDS Dead List) 428-03-9371 07-17-16 11-24-07 Dan Smoot aka Howard Drummond Smoot 452-03-3106 10-05-13 07-24-03 Willie Augustus Somersett aka William Somersett 241-26-3190 03-27-02 05-07-70 George Soule 11-24-1896 03-18-83 Suzanne Silvercruys Stevenson 1898 03-31-73 Willis Emerson Stone 07-20-1899 03-02-89 J.B. Stoner aka Jesse Benjamin Stoner Jr. (RIDS Dead List) 414-24-1727 04-13-24 04-23-05 Mary Surrey (Mrs. Robert Surrey) 261-36-7329 10-21-17 01-79 Robert Alan Surrey aka Bob Surrey 327-20-7488 10-08-25 06-08-87 Wesley Albert Swift (Rev.) 551-12-8781 09-06-13 10-08-70 Jack Breckenridge Tenney 568-14-8910 04-01-1898 11-04-70 Strom Thurmond aka James Strom Thurmond (U.S. Senator, SC) 250-64-5145 12-05-02 06-26-03 Ned Oneal Touchstone 434-30-4346 09-27-26 07-88 Lyrl Clark Van Hyning 585-06-2058 07-23-1892 06-16-73 James Reagan Venable 259-60-6012 01-15-05 01-18-93 Edwin Anderson Walker (Maj. Gen. US Army) 460-64-3005 11-10-09 10-31-93 George Corley Wallace (former Governor AL) 456-36-7390 08-25-19 09-13-98 Clyde J. Watts 443-40-5169 12-30-07 11-75 James A. Weis 286-18-4620 07-30-1890 07-08-74 Robert H.W. Welch Jr. 023-07-1169 12-01-1899 01-06-85 Thomas Harold Werdel (U.S. Congressman, CA) 571-16-0850 09-13-05 09-30-66 G.I. Whitmer aka Gilbert I. Whitmer 214-16-6677 12-17-1898 11-86 John Bell Williams (U.S. Congressman) 427-92-2218 12-04-18 03-25-83 Charles Andrew Willoughby (Brig. General) 074-30-1995 03-08-1892 10-25-72 Peter Laurentious Xavier 099-22-8088 11-12-01 08-17-81 Allen Alderson Zoll aka A. Alderson Zoll 569-38-5285 10-21-1895 08-69 CONSTITUTION PARTY-RELATED DEATH RECORDS below consist of obituaries, OR cemetery grave information, OR data from Social Security Death Index Master File from websites: http://www.mocavo.com/Social-Security-Death-Index/246389 AND http://sortedbyname.com/ Edgar Eugene Bradley http://www.mocavo.com/Edgar-Bradley-1918-2004-Social-Security-Death-Index/07168057907021328250 Jerry Milton Brooks BROOKS, JERRY was born 13 January 1930, received Social Security number 487-32-6333 (indicating Missouri) and, Death Master File says, died 25 December 2005 Kent Howard Courtney aka Kent Harbinson Courtney http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/kent-h-courtney/83148435 OBIT on Stanley L. Drennan http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40986831 Billy James Hargis http://www.economist.com/node/3499528 Loran Eugene Hall http://death-records.mooseroots.com/l/165693848/Loran-E-Hall Eustace Clarence Mullins Jr. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=47591350 Kirk Edward Ragland http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8899264 John Richard Rarick (former U.S. Congressman, Louisiana) http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theadvocate/obituary.aspx?pid=132918357 Francis X. Ranuzzi http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/francis-x-ranuzzi/90824397 Jackson G. Ricau http://www.mocavo.com/Jackson-Ricau-1918-2001-Social-Security-Death-Index/18049478027099644438 Robert Marvin Shelton http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/20/us/robert-shelton-73-leader-of-big-klan-faction.html William James Simmons http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/clarionledger/obituary.aspx?n=william-james-simmons&pid=98633348 J.B. Stoner aka Jesse Benjamin Stoner Jr. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/27/AR2005042702099.html Robert Alan Surrey aka Bob Surrey http://www.mocavo.com/Bob-Surrey-1925-1987-Social-Security-Death-Index/04745737924568331552 Mary Surrey (Mrs. Robert Surrey) SURREY, MARY was born 21 October 1917, received Social Security number 261-36-7329 (indicating Florida) and, Death Master File says, died January 1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Lazar Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 The formatting on my list did not work very well in my last message so if anyone wants a copy -- let me know and I will send it to you as a pdf document. ernie1241@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Returning again to the first chapter of Dr. Jeffrey Caufield's new book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: The Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy, I'd like to highlight page 48. Caufield concludes this chapter by noting that at least eleven witnesses saw Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) in the presence of Guy Banister. Other witnesses saw LHO in the presence of Banister's close associates, such as Sergio Arcacha Smith, David Ferrie, and Kent Courtney. One witness, a US Border Patrol agent with impeccable credentials, told the HSCA that he frequently saw LHO and David Ferrie coming and going from Guy Banister's office. Yet it was Guy Banister's stand on Segregation that shone most prominently for Dr. Caufield, and he notes that this stand did not shine similarly for Jim Garrison. Caufield writes: Neither Jim Garrison nor the HSCA, the only ones to investigate Guy Banister, made not of Banister's extensive and all-consuming career as a segregationist...Banister's role in Senator Eastland's Senate Committee that persecuted those who challenged the sacred Southern institution of segregation -- which faced extinction under the Kennedy administration -- was also somehow missed...It became an ingrained myth initiated by Jim Garrison -- and carried on in conspiracy books -- that Guy Banister's extensive files were related to CIA activities, when there is no evidence that they were. (Caufield, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy, p. 48) Actually, claims Dr. Caufield, Guy Banister's active role in Southern states' inquisitions against Earl Warren's integration movement were the true substance of Banister files, which resembled those of the SSIS and the HUAC, targeting integrationists and liberals. CT literature to date, suggests Caufield, has failed to highlight Banister's association with a large number of ultra-rightist and segregationist groups that passionately hated JFK. The link between Guy Banister and LHO is the first key, suggests Caufield, to solving the JFK murder. Whether portraying LHO as a Communist or as a "Lone Nut," there has been a distinct tendency to avoid thinking of LHO as moving in right-wing circles. Regards, --Paul Trejo I note here that page 48 is the final page of Chapter One of Dr. Caufield's new book. We have summarized all of Chapter One at this point, so the floor is now open for comment and debate on its contents as presented here -- or other contents of Chapter One. Regards, --Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William O'Neil Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Due to others of record who were on the scene, we suspect Garrison was also influenced by certain “researchers” who gained favor with the DA. They managed to sway ( distract) Garrison towards their own theories that mostly revolved around Government involvement, chiefly, the CIA. I won’t get into individual names but they are known to most. In our opinion, the main factor for Garrison’s abrupt shift was fear and intimidation by the Right Wing extremists in Garrisons midst. I suspect he was strongly urged, if not threatened by some influential segregationists to cease pursuing that trail. Keep in mind who became his $ponsors …! Bill Edited October 4, 2015 by William O'Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The left right dynamic goes a long way to explaining why.An example is the early analysis of the rise of Nazism. East German or Marxist historians readily saw it as a result of Capitalist Crisis. West German historians shied away from that and focused more on individuals.It is easier to blame 'the other'. One reason I've stated in the past that the conspiracy theorist is the conspirators best friend. To rise above all bias and to approach with no fear or favour inevitably lays one open for the charge of traitor and various other milder and severer forms of coercion. Obviously that sort of pressure is of no use if the truth is wanted. I've maintained for a long while that segregation is the key. I'm still a bit stunned that now this approach is being taken seriously. 10 years ago I found few, if any, willing to do so. Good, at last, I'm winding down my involvement. Too old and tired now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The left right dynamic goes a long way to explaining why. An example is the early analysis of the rise of Nazism. East German or Marxist historians readily saw it as a result of Capitalist Crisis. West German historians shied away from that and focused more on individuals. It is easier to blame 'the other'. One reason I've stated in the past that the conspiracy theorist is the conspirators best friend. To rise above all bias and to approach with no fear or favour inevitably lays one open for the charge of traitor and various other milder and severer forms of coercion. Obviously that sort of pressure is of no use if the truth is wanted. I've maintained for a long while that segregation is the key. I'm still a bit stunned that now this approach is being taken seriously. 10 years ago I found few, if any, willing to do so. Good, at last, I'm winding down my involvement. Too old and tired now. John, for the record, I've always admired your long, consistent and rational insistence that US Segregation was the motor force behind the JFK assassination. I can't think of anybody else on the Forum who has advocated this approach longer than you have. It has been a half-century -- and finally the US Segregation theory of the JFK murder has a book of its own. This is because the countless CIA-did-it theories were always too melodramatic and fiction-like, and so unsatisfactory. All other theories were even more so. I'm glad you can finally breathe a sigh of relief that your long-held theory is finally getting the discussion it merits. IMHO this will be the final and universally satisfactory theory of the JFK conspiracy -- simply because it's true. Regards, --Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Due to others of record who were on the scene, we suspect Garrison was also influenced by certain “researchers” who gained favor with the DA. They managed to sway ( distract) Garrison towards their own theories that mostly revolved around Government involvement, chiefly, the CIA. I won’t get into individual names but they are known to most. In our opinion, the main factor for Garrison’s abrupt shift was fear and intimidation by the Right Wing extremists in Garrisons midst. I suspect he was strongly urged, if not threatened by some influential segregationists to cease pursuing that trail. Keep in mind who became his $ponsors …! Bill Bill, did you want to add further remarks about this with regard to Chapter One of Dr. Caufield's new book -- or is this a preview of material we are going to encounter as we proceed deeper into the book? Regards, --Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William O'Neil Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 Paul, Actually it's a general observation that has to do with the nature of the Garrison "probe". It's sudden turn away from the 'Racist Right' (or "Nazi's" as Garrison once described them) to the "intelligence agencies" was noticeably acute. It's a theory, but I believe from our research that it's an accurate take. I saw a video once where Garrison says (and I'm paraphrasing here) 'When you talk about the NSRP and the Citizens Councils... what you're really talking about is the CIA!... that's whats behind them. Somewhere I have this video, but I cannot locate it. My point is that it displays his shift away from the radical segregationists, to the intelligence agencies such as CIA. You may say that Garrison merely came up empty handed in that regard, and moved onto another theory, but his own documents show he had good enough leads not to suddenly abandon it. (IMO) Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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