Vanessa Loney Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The new Prayer Man book by Stan Dane has been released and is available on Amazon. It looks great. I'll be buying mine today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Thank you Vanessa! A book about an active thread at the Ed Forum? Nice. The kindle edition with preview: http://www.amazon.com/Prayer-Man-Shadows-Into-Light-ebook/dp/B0164EV2LQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Hastings Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just finished reading it. Very thorough and well laid out book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The new Prayer Man book by Stan Dane has been released and is available on Amazon. It looks great. I'll be buying mine today. Does it deal with the four "buttons" that Duncan noticed, or did it go to the press too late for that? --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 See what David Josephs did with Duncan's work at DPF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) See what David Josephs did with Duncan's work at DPF. So I guess Dane doesn't cover it. Pity. --Tommy Edited November 17, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I didn't say that. I just said if you want some feedback on the issue, you can find it there. I don't know about the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Hastings Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Any chance of getting the DPF work posted here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Book review by Barry Ryder of the U.K.: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R39UNZ3EJHRI25 My favorite highlights.... " 'Prayer Man' begins to wobble and shake as early as page seven. [...] Oswald repeatedly told his interrogators that he was variously on the first and second floors of the TSBD during the murder. At no time did Oswald claim that he was 'outside'. Worse still for [sean] Murphy's 'theory' is the plain fact that when questioned by Inspector Thomas Kelly [sic] of the U. S. Secret Service, Oswald said that he did not view the parade. "I asked him [Oswald] if he had viewed the parade and he said he had not." (First interview of Lee Harvey Oswald, p2, last paragraph.) (WCR p 627). How does Murphy deal with this? Simple. He flatly declares on page 182 that [Kelley's] statement is, "..an almost certain interpolation..". In other words, [Kelley] just made it up. As the book unfolds[,] it becomes clear that Murphy's basic method of identifying Oswald as Prayer Man is his own process of elimination. He seeks to identify as many known people as he can in the photographs and, thus, he 'eliminates' them as candidates. Whoever remains 'unidentified' must be Oswald, he claims. This approach is arbitrary and subjective; it has no scientific merit. [...] Murphy attributes all manner of nefarious actions to Truly and Baker and flatly accuses them of lying about where they 'really' encountered Oswald. This method is as old as the hills; everybody involved - except Oswald - was lying. Murphy actually accuses Wes Frazier of lying about Oswald's (supposed) presence in the doorway (p.171). How mad is this? [...] The book's author, Stan Dane[,] jumps into the narrative with frequent glee, applauding Murphy's "..reasoning and logic..", which he feels, "..at times borders on genius" (p. 92). He squeals with delight at "Sean Murphy's logic, intellectual curiosity, and exceptional research.." (p. 128). On page 136, Dane notes that,"Sean's like an expert plate-twirler - he's keeping lots of different parts of the story "twirling" simultaneously. " He sure is. The twirling plates seem to have beguiled and bamboozled Dane into a drooling state of sycophancy. Dane actually admits as much on page 215, "I am spellbound by Sean's reasoning and logic here." Yes, Stan, it shows. " Sean is a prophet here." (p 179). "And I say to you, Mr Murphy, what brilliance!" (p 246). It's all rather childish and yucky." -- Barry Ryder; November 29, 2015 http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R39UNZ3EJHRI25 [End Quotes.] Bravo, Barry. ======================== RELATED LINK.... OSWALD, THE DOORWAY, BOOKHOUT, FRITZ, AND HOSTY: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/10/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1052.html Edited December 2, 2015 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Book review by Barry Ryder of the U.K.: http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R39UNZ3EJHRI25 My favorite highlights.... " 'Prayer Man' begins to wobble and shake as early as page seven. [...] Oswald repeatedly told his interrogators that he was variously on the first and second floors of the TSBD during the murder. At no time did Oswald claim that he was 'outside'. Worse still for [sean] Murphy's 'theory' is the plain fact that when questioned by Inspector Thomas Kelly [sic] of the U. S. Secret Service, Oswald said that he did not view the parade. "I asked him [Oswald] if he had viewed the parade and he said he had not." (First interview of Lee Harvey Oswald, p2, last paragraph.) (WCR p 627). How does Murphy deal with this? Simple. He flatly declares on page 182 that [Kelley's] statement is, "..an almost certain interpolation..". In other words, [Kelley] just made it up. As the book unfolds[,] it becomes clear that Murphy's basic method of identifying Oswald as Prayer Man is his own process of elimination. He seeks to identify as many known people as he can in the photographs and, thus, he 'eliminates' them as candidates. Whoever remains 'unidentified' must be Oswald, he claims. This approach is arbitrary and subjective; it has no scientific merit. [...] Murphy attributes all manner of nefarious actions to Truly and Baker and flatly accuses them of lying about where they 'really' encountered Oswald. This method is as old as the hills; everybody involved - except Oswald - was lying. Murphy actually accuses Wes Frazier of lying about Oswald's (supposed) presence in the doorway (p.171). How mad is this? [...] The book's author, Stan Dane[,] jumps into the narrative with frequent glee, applauding Murphy's "..reasoning and logic..", which he feels, "..at times borders on genius" (p. 92). He squeals with delight at "Sean Murphy's logic, intellectual curiosity, and exceptional research.." (p. 128). On page 136, Dane notes that,"Sean's like an expert plate-twirler - he's keeping lots of different parts of the story "twirling" simultaneously. " He sure is. The twirling plates seem to have beguiled and bamboozled Dane into a drooling state of sycophancy. Dane actually admits as much on page 215, "I am spellbound by Sean's reasoning and logic here." Yes, Stan, it shows. " Sean is a prophet here." (p 179). "And I say to you, Mr Murphy, what brilliance!" (p 246). It's all rather childish and yucky." -- Barry Ryder; November 29, 2015 http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R39UNZ3EJHRI25 [End Quotes.] Bravo, Barry. ======================== RELATED LINK.... OSWALD, THE DOORWAY, BOOKHOUT, FRITZ, AND HOSTY: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/10/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1052.html and, of course, old sod Barry gave you 5 stars for that last publishing disaster ('Beyond Reasonable Doubt' w/Mel Ayton taking one for the gipper) of yours, right? David Von Pein, have you no shame? pssst, Barry needs to find a damn job! So do you. Edited December 2, 2015 by David G. Healy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Okay, I'm no genius, but let's face it. I'm no idiot either, I understand there has got to be some wording to fill the page before getting to the real important part, what some folks like to call facts, but I have just one question. Where do these brainy acts get words like "Dane notes that,"Sean's like an expert plate-twirler". What the hell does plate twirling have to do with anything? Slaps my forehead! Edited December 3, 2015 by Scott Kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Okay, I'm no genius, but let's face it. I'm no idiot either, I understand there has got to be some wording to fill the page before getting to the real important part, what some folks like to call facts, but I have just one question. Where do these brainy acts get words like "Dane notes that,"Sean's like an expert plate-twirler". What the hell does plate twirling have to do with anything? Slaps my forehead! Wild guess -- He's good at "spinning" things? --Tommy Edited December 3, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gilbride Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) David von Pein and I do not agree on much interpretation of evidence, but we see eye to eye here, and I thank him for bringing Barry Ryder's critique to my attention. I had strongly suspected that much of Stan Dane's book was devoted to Sean Murphy's lunchroom hoax hypothesis. This is a failure, to be kind, or 1st-order mullarkey, to be real. It will go the way of "the driver shot JFK". I invested 12 pages in my essay Inside Job thoroughly debunking this hypothesis. "Ye shall know them by their fruits," and this school of thought, in its 10+ years of existence, has produced only ephemera: a) an Ira Trantham HSCA memo, mentioning an arrest of someone on the 3rd floor of the TSBD- in contradiction to Trantham's report in the WC's Decker exhibit, where he'd arrested someone who'd been on the 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex, and video of that someone (Larry Florer) being walked in front of the TSBD. In short, Trantham's HSCA memory was horrific. (The alternative is that Trantham & DPD officer Denham join Ochus Campbell & Jerladean Reid in a Truly/Baker mini-conspiracy to fabricate the lunchroom story). Tan Jacket Man, seen doing a quick about face in the parking lot in the Hughes film. You won't find him in any other footage or crowd photos. Trust me, I've looked, back in 2010 when I fell for this mullarkey. In short, there's no further information that he's anything more than an innocent bystander. But hey, Sean Murphy thinks he may have been "3rd floor man", so let's all rush down to the Dallas DA's office and accuse Tan Jacket Man of murder. Proponents of the hoax hypothesis completely ignore the obvious- Baker was confused about the TSBD floor layout. He crossed out his first description of the lunchroom's location in his September 23rd affidavit, WC Exhibit 3076, given 6 months after his testimony. And there's a lot more they're in denial about- see Inside Job. And Stan does a tremendous disservice to Sean by fawning over his every pronouncement. I took pains to show, in a previous essay, that another Murphy postulate- about Truly & Baker having taken the west elevator instead of the stairs (which consumes much of the Prayer Man thread) doesn't float. This construction, which Sean evidently labored over for several years, failed its first sea trial. To grow as a researcher Stan will have to admit his error like a man. Or he can pretend the lunchroom hoax is still a viable possibility and live in continuing narcissism. Edited December 3, 2015 by Richard Gilbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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