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I contend that they not only hoodwinked O'Donnell on the Trade Mart and motorcade route, they did the same thing to hijack AF1 for the return flight to DC.

You actually think that LBJ was so desperate to fly on AF1 (instead of AF2) on the trip back to Washington, that he was willing to practically "hijack" (your word) the aircraft to do so?

LOL.

What difference does it make whether LBJ flew back on Air Force 1 or Air Force 2?

You CTers get goofier by the day.

Are you serious?

Have you listened to the Air Force One tapes?

Don't you realize the underlying issue is where the body was? And how to get it off the plane?

Or are you truly so naive (or willfully blind) that you believe that hours of these tapes are missing, and its unrelated to the body?

DSL

2/11/12

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That those measures were not taken in Dealey Plaza is suspect.

Only if you're silly enough to believe that the U.S. Secret Service would have had a desire to intentionally give their own agency a permanent black eye by deliberately permitting their "client" to be killed on their watch.

Now I'll use your words, Burnham --- Give it a break.

You're over-generalizing and dodging a very serious question, DVP: Whether, as a consequence of Kennedy's behavior, and/or policy decisions, it was possible to "pitch" certain SS officials (and/or agents) that Kennedy was a threat to the national security; and had to be removed from office.

Now maybe you truly believe that that's beyond the pale, but the evidence indicates otherwise.

(And I presume you are aware of at least one agent who shared exactly such beliefs with a witness--the Gochenaur documents--and the conversations he had with SS Agent Elmer Moore? And how Moore admitted to believe that Kennedy was selling the country out to the Communiss? etc.)

What I don't understand is how you go from the very serious matter of whether individual agents could be "pitched", to the childish oversimplification in which that is reduced to someone being "silly enough to believe that the U.S.Secret Service would have had a desire to intentionally give their own agency a permanent blackeye". . .Where are you getting such oversimplified nonsense from. . . a late night phone call with your buddy, Bugliosi??

DSL

2/11//2012; 5:50 AM PST

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Are you serious?

Have you listened to the Air Force One tapes?

Don't you realize the underlying issue is where the body was? And how to get it off the plane?

Or are you truly so naive (or willfully blind) that you believe that hours of these tapes are missing, and it's unrelated to the body?

I think a better way to phrase the above question posited by David S. Lifton is this way (spoken from the point-of-view of someone like myself--i.e., a reasonable person):

Are you truly silly enough to believe that any missing Air Force One radio transmissions are related in any way to the fact that the dead body of President Kennedy was aboard the Boeing 707 known as

SAM 26000?

Earth to David Lifton:

Maybe the following statement I'm going to make will come as a great shock to you, but it's a fact nonetheless:

There are very few people who believe your "casket switching" and "body alteration" theories.

Even among old-time conspiracy theorists, you (David Lifton) are considered to be an "outer fringe" CTer, with a theory that is as wacky and totally impossible as virtually any theory that has ever been created by any conspiracy monger since JFK died in 1963.

Is it possible that you still don't realize that fact here in the year 2012, David L.?

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At 12:29 p.m. CST, the presidential limousine entered Dealey Plaza after a 90-degree right turn from Main Street onto Houston Street.

Actually, the turn from Houston onto Elm was more than a 90-degree turn. It was a Secret Service-prohibited 120-degree turn which slowed the limo down to about 5 mph. At the time of the head shots(s) it was only going about 11 mph.

Although it's true that "Elm Street provided the only direct link from Dealey Plaza to the Stemmons Freeway", the motorcade could have gotten to the Trade Mart by going down Main Street (thereby bypassing the near-hairpin left turn from Houston onto Elm) and hanging a right onto Industrial Boulevard, and taking it rather than the Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart.

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DiEugenio apparently wants to play the part of Village Idiot and act as if the motorcade route was actually changed, even though there's ample proof that the route was positively not changed at all.

But, as usual, to a conspiracy theorist like DiEugenio, it doesn't matter how stale and debunked a tired conspiracy theory might be, it's never TOO stale for the likes of some CTers who want to totally ignore the facts (which are presented below).

Was The Motorcade Route Changed?

Your calling DiEugenio the village idiot sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle "black".

--Tommy :)

Your calling DiEugenio the village idiot sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle "black".

Tommy,

I agree with you, there seems to be a few out there, I have no idea what this lady is on, but I'm sure she could be arrested.

President Kennedy's trip to Dallas was first announced to the public in September 1963.[4] The exact motorcade route was finalized on November 18 and announced to the public a few days before November 22. There was NO change in the motorcade route. On Friday, November 22, 1963, at 11:40 AM CST, Kennedy, his wife Jacqueline, and the rest of the presidential entourage arrived at Love Field in Dallas, Texas, aboard Air Force One after a very short flight from nearby Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth. The motorcade cars had been lined up in a certain order earlier that morning. The original schedule was for the president to proceed in a long motorcade from Love Field through downtown Dallas, and end at the Dallas Business and Trade Mart.

The motorcade was scheduled to enter Dealey Plaza at 12:10 PM, followed by a 12:15 PM arrival at the Dallas Business and Trade Mart so President Kennedy could deliver a speech and share in a steak luncheon with Dallas government, business, religious, and civic leaders and their spouses. Invitations that were sent out specify a 12:00 PM start time to the luncheon while SS agent Lawson told Chief Curry that after arriving at Love Field and leaving at 11:30 the 38-45 minute trip would get them to the Trade Mart on time. Air Force One touched down at 11:39 AM and did not leave Love Field until approximately fifteen minutes later.

Dallas' three television stations were given separate assignments. As Bob Walker of WFAA-TV 8 (ABC) was providing live coverage of the President's arrival at Love Field, KRLD-TV 4 (CBS) with Eddie Barker was set up at the Trade Mart for Kennedy's luncheon speech. WBAP-TV 5 (NBC), being a Dallas/Fort Worth network based in the latter, had done live coverage of the President's breakfast speech in Fort Worth earlier that day. On hand to report the arrival on radio was Joe Long of KLIF 1190.

The route scheduled to be driven was as follows: left turn from the south end of Love Field to West Mockingbird Lane, right on Lemmon Ave., right at the "Y" on Turtle Creek Blvd, straight on Cedar Springs Rd, left on North Harwood St, right on Main St, right on Houston St, sharp left on Elm St, through Triple Underpass, right turn up ramp to North Stemmons Freeway, to Dallas Trade Mart at 2100 North Stemmons (This same exact route cannot be driven today; there is a NO RIGHT TURN sign on the corner of Main and Houston as well as highway progressions in other areas)

The original route had the motorcade continue straight onto Main instead of turning onto Houston, but it was discovered that Elm Street provided the only direct link from Dealey Plaza to the Stemmons Freeway, thus the route was altered.

The presidential motorcade began its route without incident, stopping twice so President Kennedy could shake hands with some Catholic nuns, then some school children.

The route taken by the motorcade within Dealey Plaza. North is towards the almost direct-left At 12:29 p.m. CST, the presidential limousine entered Dealey Plaza after a 90-degree right turn from Main Street onto Houston Street. Over two dozen known and unknown amateur and professional still and motion-picture photographers captured the last living images of President Kennedy.

Just before 12:30 p.m. CST, President Kennedy was riding on Houston Street and slowly approached the Texas School Book Depository head-on. This point in the route gives birth to one of the better conspiracy theories that there were several shooters, for if there was only a single shooter in the sixth floor in the Book Depository, the shooter would have had a much better view of the President on Houston Street, slowly coming towards the shooter, not when the President was moving away from the shooter on Elm Street. Then the limousine made the 120-degree left turn directly in front of the depository, now only 65 feet (20 meters) away.

[edit] 12:30 PM (CST): Shots are fired

According to witnesses, the shooting began shortly after the limousine made the turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Most of these witnesses recalled the first shot happened after the president had started waving with his right hand. Most of these witnesses recalled hearing three shots, with the last two bunched distinctly much closer together than the first two. As seen in the Zapruder film, when the president first emerges from being temporarily behind the Stemmons Freeway sign at Zapruder film frame 224 to 225 his mouth is widely open in a shocked expression and his hands clench into fists, then he quickly raises his arms dramatically upwards towards his throat as he turned leftwards towards his wife. Secret Service Agent Clint Hill testified that he heard one shot, then jumped off the running board of the Secret Service follow-up car directly behind Kennedy (Hill was filmed jumping off his follow-up car at the equivalent of Zapruder frame 308; about a quarter of a second before the president's head exploded at frame 313). Hill then rapidly ran towards the Presidential limo and then a shot hit Kennedy in the head, opening up the right side of his head. As the gore-splattered limousine began speeding up, Mrs. Kennedy was heard to scream[19] and she climbed out of the back seat onto the rear of the limo. At the same time, Hill managed to climb aboard and hang onto the suddenly accelerating limo, and Mrs. Kennedy returned to the back seat. Hill then shielded her and the President. Both of the Connallys stated they heard Mrs. Kennedy say, "I have his brains in my hand!" The limo driver and police motorcycles turned on their sirens and raced at full speed to Parkland Hospital, passing their intended destination of the Dallas Trade Mart along the way, and arriving at about 12:38 PM.

During the shots Governor Connally was also struck, and his wife pulled him closer to her. He suffered several severe wounds that he survived; a bullet entry wound in his upper right back located just behind his right armpit; four inches of his right, fifth chest rib was pulverised; a two-and-a-half inch sized chest exit wound; his right arm's wrist bone was fractured into seven pieces; and he had a bullet entry wound in his left inner thigh. Although there is controversy about exactly when he was wounded, analysts from both the Warren Commission (1964) and House Select Committee on Assassinations (1979) believed that his wounds had been inflicted nearly simultaneously with President Kennedy's in their theories that the two men were struck by a single bullet. The Commission theorized both men were hit nearly simultaneously between Zapruder film frames 210 to 225, while the Committee theorized it happened at frame 190.

During the shots a witness, James Tague, was also wounded when he received a minor facial wound on his right cheek. The Main Street south curb he had been standing 23.5' away from was struck by a bullet or bullet fragment that had no copper sheath, and the richocheting bullet fragment struck Tague. At Zapruder frame 313 Tague's head top was located 271' away from and 16.4' below President Kennedy's head top. The bullet or bullet fragment that struck the cement curb was never found.

Lee Harvey Oswald was confronted by an armed Dallas policeman, Marion Baker, in the depository second floor lunchroom only 74 to 90 seconds (according to a Warren Commission time recreation) after the last shot.[20] Baker first testified that the first shot he remembered hearing as he approached the depository and the Dallas Textile Building had originated from the "building in front of me, or, the one to the right."

In the second floor lunch room, Oswald was identified by the superintendent of the building, Roy Truly, then released. Both Baker and Truly testified that Oswald appeared completely "calm, cool, normal, and was not out of breath in any way," and was not sweating. According to the Warren Commission, Oswald was next seen by a depository secretary as he crossed through the second floor business office carrying a soda bottle.[21] He left the Texas School Book Depository at approximately 12:33 p.m. through its front door.[22]

The Warren Commission concluded that Oswald had traveled from the sixth floor easternmost window, and hid an 8 pound, Italian-made 1938 Mannlicher-Carcano, 6.5 millimeter rifle equipped with a four-power scope along the way. The rifle was reported discovered by a Dallas police detective at 1:22 p.m., having been placed between stacks of boxes. After being discovered, the rifle was photographed before being touched.

Estimates of when the Depository Building was sealed off by police range from 12:33 to 12:50 p.m.[23] The Dealey Plaza immediate area streets and blocks were never sealed-off, and within only nine minutes of the assassination, photographs show that vehicles were still driving unhampered down Elm Street, through the crime scene kill zone.

About 1:00 p.m., after a bus and taxi ride, Oswald arrived back at his boarding room (1026 North Beckley Ave.), and according to his housekeeper Earlene Roberts, left three or four minutes later. She last saw him standing and waiting at a bus stop.[24]

At 1:15 p.m, Dallas police officer J. D. Tippit was shot dead near the intersection of 10th St. and Patton Ave.[25][26][27] This was 0.86 mile from Oswald's rooming house. Thirteen people witnessed the man shooting Tippit or fleeing the immediate scene.[28][29] By that evening, five of the witnesses had identified Oswald in police lineups, and a sixth identified him the following day. Four others subsequently identified Oswald from a photograph.[28][29]

After the Tippit murder, Oswald was witnessed traveling on foot toward the Texas Theatre on West Jefferson Blvd. About 1:35 p.m. Johnny Calvin Brewer, who worked as a manager at Hardy's Shoe Store in the same block as the Texas Theatre on Jefferson Blvd. saw Oswald turning his face away from the street and duck into the entranceway of the shoe store as Dallas squad cars drove up the street with sirens on. When Oswald left the store, Brewer followed Oswald and watched him go into the Texas Theater movie house without paying while ticket attendant Julie Postal was distracted. Brewer notified Postal, who in turn informed the Dallas Police at 1:40 p.m.

Almost two dozen policemen, sheriffs, and detectives in several patrol cars arrived at Texas Theatre because they believed Tippit's killer was inside. When an arrest attempt was made at 1:50 p.m. inside the theater, Oswald resisted arrest and, according to the police, attempted to shoot a patrolman after yelling once, "Well, it's all over now!" then punching a patrolman.[30]

At 3:01 p.m. Dallas time, only an hour after Oswald was taken into the Dallas jail, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover wrote a memo to his assistant directors in which he stated, "I called the Attorney General at his home and told him I thought we had the man who killed the President down in Dallas, at the present time."

Meanwhile, the situation at Parkland Hospital had deteriorated. Even as the press contingent grew, a Roman Catholic priest had been summoned to perform the last rites for President Kennedy.[31] Dr. Malcolm Perry, assistant professor of surgery at UT Southwestern and a vascular surgeon on the Parkland staff was the first to treat Kennedy and he performed a tracheotomy, followed by a cardiopulmonary resuscitation performed with another surgeon.[32][33] Other doctors and surgeons who gathered worked frantically to save the president's life, but his wounds were too great.[34]

At 1:00 p.m. CST, after all the activity had ceased, and after the priest administered the last rites, President Kennedy was pronounced dead. Personnel at Parkland Hospital Trauma Room #1, who treated the President, observed that the President's condition was "moribund",[35] meaning he had no chance of survival upon arrival at the hospital. "We never had any hope of saving his life," Dr. Perry said.[30][36] "I am absolutely sure he never knew what hit him," said Dr. Tom Shires, Parkland's chief of surgery.[37] The Very Reverend Oscar L. Huber, the priest who administered the last rites to the president, told The New York Times that the president was already dead upon the priest's arrival at the hospital and had to draw back a sheet covering the President's face so that the last rites could be given.[38][39] Governor Connally, meanwhile, was soon taken to emergency surgery where he underwent two operations that day.

Although President Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1:00 PM CST, the official announcement would not come for another half-hour. Immediately after receiving word of the president's death, acting White House press secretary Malcolm Kilduff entered the room where Vice President Johnson, who was constitutionally now the President, and his wife were sitting.[40] Kilduff approached them and said to Johnson, "Mr. President, I have to announce the death of President Kennedy. Is it OK with you that the announcement be made now?"[40] The new president ordered that the announcement be made only after he left the hospital.[41] When asking that the announcement be delayed, Johnson told Kilduff: "I think I had better get out of here...before you announce it. We don't know whether this is a worldwide conspiracy, whether they are after me as well as well as they were after President Kennedy, or whether they are after Speaker (John W.) McCormack, or Senator (Carl) Hayden. We just don't know."[17]

At 1:33 p.m. CST, Kilduff entered a nurses' classroom at the hospital filled with press reporters and made the official announcement:[42][34]

“President John F. Kennedy died at approximately 1:00 CST today, here in Dallas. He died of a gunshot wound to the brain. I have no other details regarding the assassination of the president."[40]”

A few minutes after 2:00 p.m. CST, and after a ten to fifteen minute confrontation between cursing and weapons-brandishing Secret Service agents and doctors, President Kennedy's body was removed from Parkland Hospital and driven to Air Force One.[43] According to some Assassination researchers, this removal may have been illegal, as the body was removed before undergoing a forensic examination by the Dallas coroner, and against Texas state laws.[44] The murder of the president was, at that time, listed on the books as a state-level crime and not a federal one, and as such legally occurred under Texas jurisdiction. To this date, however, no official legal body has ruled on this matter, quite possibly as the point is now somewhat disregarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/findings.html

Deaths connected to Kennedy's assassination

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/jfkdeaths.htm

LBJ Night Before JFK Assassination: "Those SOB's Will Never Embarrass Me Again"

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=15167

Why We Should Still Study the Cuban Missile Crisis

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120124/news/701249841/video/23564656/

JFK library releases last of his secret tapes

http://www.usip.org/files/resources/sr205.pdf

Anniversary of The Assassination of John F. Kennedy

http://www.hisofamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51:anniversary-of-the-assassination-of-john-f-kennedy

(emphasis added by T. Graves )

Although it's true that "Elm Street provided the only direct link from Dealey Plaza to the Stemmons Freeway", the motorcade could have gotten to the Trade Mart by going down Main Street (thereby bypassing the near-hairpin left turn from Houston onto Elm) and hanging a right onto Industrial Boulevard, and taking it rather than the Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart.

--Tommy :)

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Lee Harvey Oswald was confronted by an armed Dallas policeman, Marion Baker, in the depository second floor lunchroom only 74 to 90 seconds (according to a Warren Commission time recreation) after the last shot.

He was eating lunch, and drinking a coke!

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He was eating lunch, and drinking a coke!

Not true.

Oswald was not "eating lunch", nor was he "drinking a Coke" when he encountered Marrion L. Baker on November 22, 1963.

Why do conspiracy theorists continue to cling to these worn-out and proven-false myths?

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/oswald-baker-truly-and-coca-cola.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/dr-pepper-talk.html

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He was eating lunch, and drinking a coke!

Not true.

Oswald was not "eating lunch", nor was he "drinking a Coke" when he encountered Marrion L. Baker on November 22, 1963.

Why do conspiracy theorists continue to cling to these worn-out and proven-false myths?

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/oswald-baker-truly-and-coca-cola.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/dr-pepper-talk.html

Okay, after reading your Warren Commission exhibit about "a man" on the second floor in the lunch room "drinking a coke" (strike those words) sorry. I'm sure he meant to say something else, but forgot what to write down. I'm sure what he meant to say was something entirely different, after all the Feds wanted to put this away as quickly as they could, I mean it only took nine months for the Warren Commission to conclude Oswald acted alone, when other cold cases have gone on far much longer. I said cold case, not "case closed" common man! Now, if you were to buy into that well then, I have some great ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell you, but lets get back on topic! So this police officer has given a sworn testimony to the FBI who by the way is an organization I certainly wouldn't believe, not entirely, and not when it comes to Oswald. I'm sure Hoover had his reasons. But what about those two women that were walking "up the stairs" that said, they didn't encounter "ANYONE" in the staircase? Now, do you suppose Oswald fired all three shoots, then... Wait a minute let me finish! Then Oswald runs down the stairs passing both women, WAIT YOU'RE NOT LETTING ME FINISH! Oswald runs pass these women, pulls twenty five cents (one quarter) out of his pocket puts it in the coke machine takes his lunch out and just before he sits down to eat the police officer walks in and sees Oswald with a coke in his hand? But wait! That's not the best part, it gets even better then that. This is the best part, Oswald fires three shoots killing the president, runs down four flights of stairs passing two women who never see him, pulls twenty five cents out of his pocket, purchases a coke, and as he's ready to sit down to lunch a police officer walks in on him.... AND!!! He did all this in seventy seconds or less, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by giving Oswald the allowed time of seven seconds that the Warren Commission says it took Oswald to kill the president, so, if we were to subtract the seven seconds it took to kill the president from the seventy seconds it took the police officer to enter the second floor of the TSBD. Then it really only took Oswald sixty three seconds, that's a minute and three seconds to do everything I mentioned he did above? And he never breaks a sweat, now that's incredible! I think you should re-due your web-site to say "Oswald didn't do it" would look better in red.

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Lot of fireworks here, but also some good information.

I too was always interested on how the motorcade worked in Dallas. But also was intrigued that other motorcades like like Mr. Von Pein has provided were similar in secret service protection. Since the Secret Service had done so many different motorcades for JFK before Dallas, does anyone have information why this motorcade protection was used in this motorcade vs that motorcade?

Now here's my take on what happened in Dallas. Mind you this is all speculation, I have no real evidence to back it up, but thought I'd throw it out there for the members to debate about.

So from the evidence we have, we know that JFK was being hunted down for assassination by Somebody/Something in Chicago and Tampa, 2 visits before Dallas. In Chicago, he had to cancel the trip when someone named Lee (got this off Tablot's book) informed the secret service of an assassination plot similar to Dallas (sniper from building behind motorcade - again from Talbot's book). So Chicago trip was cancelled.

Now in Tampa, same situation. Someone tipped off the FBI and the Secret Service was informed and packed the motorcade with many agents. Agents on the car, Agents all around the President, and some accounts (Tablot's book), the Secret Service went crazy when JFK brazenly met the crowd.

So we have that background from the evidence/reports the Secret Service has released thru the last 10-15 years.

Now Dallas. I need someone to confirm this, but I had thought I read information maybe 5-10 years back that the secret service got a notification of a bomb at Love field when the President landed. I know I've heard this before, but i'm not sure if it was from a official source or some independent research. So let's paint the picture if this is true. JFK land at Love Field, the Secret Service is on guard for this threat, and after the president is safely in the car, the threat passes, or they assume. Maybe even JFK swiping his hair when you see him get inside the car almost has a 'whew....' feel to it. Now the secret service, thinking that the threat has passed without incident at Love field, go ahead and naturally have their guard down for the rest of the motorcade. And why not? They've been on so many motorcades with JFK, it's just routine. Then you get to Daley Plaza. The Secret Service, again, just another routine motorcade, easy as pie, maybe not as ready and on guard as they should be, stroll into the kill zone. Then a shot rings out, and the sense of complacency, the 1 or 2 seconds lost of reacting , cost the President his life.

Now do I think the Secret Service was in on it? I don't know. But you don't need many people to participate in your conspiracy. One conspirator is enough to act as the weakest link in the chain that breaks the cohesiveness of a efficient working unit.

Was the bomb story, if true, planted by the conspirators to actually achieve what occurred? Some of you brilliant researches maybe will find that out in the years to come.

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Lot of fireworks here, but also some good information.

I too was always interested on how the motorcade worked in Dallas. But also was intrigued that other motorcades like like Mr. Von Pein has provided were similar in secret service protection. Since the Secret Service had done so many different motorcades for JFK before Dallas, does anyone have information why this motorcade protection was used in this motorcade vs that motorcade?

Now here's my take on what happened in Dallas. Mind you this is all speculation, I have no real evidence to back it up, but thought I'd throw it out there for the members to debate about.

So from the evidence we have, we know that JFK was being hunted down for assassination by Somebody/Something in Chicago and Tampa, 2 visits before Dallas. In Chicago, he had to cancel the trip when someone named Lee (got this off Tablot's book) informed the secret service of an assassination plot similar to Dallas (sniper from building behind motorcade - again from Talbot's book). So Chicago trip was cancelled.

Now in Tampa, same situation. Someone tipped off the FBI and the Secret Service was informed and packed the motorcade with many agents. Agents on the car, Agents all around the President, and some accounts (Tablot's book), the Secret Service went crazy when JFK brazenly met the crowd.

So we have that background from the evidence/reports the Secret Service has released thru the last 10-15 years.

Now Dallas. I need someone to confirm this, but I had thought I read information maybe 5-10 years back that the secret service got a notification of a bomb at Love field when the President landed. I know I've heard this before, but i'm not sure if it was from a official source or some independent research. So let's paint the picture if this is true. JFK land at Love Field, the Secret Service is on guard for this threat, and after the president is safely in the car, the threat passes, or they assume. Maybe even JFK swiping his hair when you see him get inside the car almost has a 'whew....' feel to it. Now the secret service, thinking that the threat has passed without incident at Love field, go ahead and naturally have their guard down for the rest of the motorcade. And why not? They've been on so many motorcades with JFK, it's just routine. Then you get to Daley Plaza. The Secret Service, again, just another routine motorcade, easy as pie, maybe not as ready and on guard as they should be, stroll into the kill zone. Then a shot rings out, and the sense of complacency, the 1 or 2 seconds lost of reacting , cost the President his life.

Now do I think the Secret Service was in on it? I don't know. But you don't need many people to participate in your conspiracy. One conspirator is enough to act as the weakest link in the chain that breaks the cohesiveness of a efficient working unit.

Was the bomb story, if true, planted by the conspirators to actually achieve what occurred? Some of you brilliant researches maybe will find that out in the years to come.

This is all interesting information, I know that Abraham Bolden touches on this subject quite a bit and blames the Secret Service for not doing their job, and for their late nite drunken stupors and dollar poppin strippers at the clubs they decided to visit the nite before giving Kennedy their full attention and protection allowing the unspeakable to happen. Mr Bolden makes it sound as though they were a bunch of thoughtless, reckless, irresponsible, negligent cast of characters. However, I'm sure that Gerald Blaine would say different.

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At 12:29 p.m. CST, the presidential limousine entered Dealey Plaza after a 90-degree right turn from Main Street onto Houston Street.

Actually, the turn from Houston onto Elm was more than a 90-degree turn. It was a Secret Service-prohibited 120-degree turn which slowed the limo down to about 5 mph. At the time of the head shots(s) it was only going about 11 mph. I highly suggest that everyone google "operation anthropoid" to see hww a similar turn was incorporated into the (successful) plans for assassinating the very high level Nazi officer/official Reinhard Heydrich during World War II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anthropoid

Although it's true that "Elm Street provided the only direct link from Dealey Plaza to the Stemmons Freeway", the motorcade could have gotten to the Trade Mart by going down Main Street (thereby bypassing the near-hairpin left turn from Houston onto Elm) and hanging a right onto Industrial Boulevard, and taking it rather than the Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart.

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--Tommy :)

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