Pat Speer Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM At about 1:12 Exner is discussed, proposed that JFK and RFK hoodwinked the Mafia into believing that JFK was to be their puppet in the White House, Exner was the go between until she was discarded by JFK when he no longer needed the pretense of cooperating with the Mafia. JFK never had an affair with Exner. Except he did. Most people who have affairs don't plan them, or really think about them. It appears before them, and they react to an opportunity. I grant that Exner eventually decided to cash in and probably invented some nonsense. But she was dragged kicking and screaming into the limelight. Go back and read the FBI files on her from back in the day, and her '70's testimony, to get an idea what really happened. Or better yet, don't waste your time. But you should stop pretending like there's no evidence JFK fooled around, and that everyone claiming he did fool around is buying into some smear. JFK was handsome, successful, rich, smart , charming. Most every woman he came in contact with either wanted him, or pretended like she'd already had him. The only surprise would have been if he didn't fool around from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Jeffries Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Jim DiEugenio was the first to write about Exner's dubious credibility, as well as the entrenched anti-Kennedy mindset in the media, with his explosive "The Posthumous Assassination of JFK." I tried to expound upon this in my book Hidden History. Exner's stories changed dramatically over time, but very few seem to have noticed, and all the "journalists" and alleged historians that scoff at any and all "conspiracy theories" unquestioningly accepted her fanciful tales. The problem with the "JFK as serial womanizer" image is that it plays into the media mantra that the Kennedys are inherently "reckless," and at least partially responsible for their own slew of unnatural deaths. It also serves to diminish them as human beings, and in effect excuses the failure of journalists and historians to address the absurd official accounts of their assassinations, by maintaining that they weren't very good people, so hey, who really cares? Edited January 20, 2015 by Don Jeffries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Pat - please elaborate on the fbi monitoring a break-in by sons of GD security officer. Robert - your point is well taken, but extremist. The main thing is that he was not a sex maniac - that's the destructive myth. He may have had some affairs for which there remain no absolute hard proof. Not worth demanding such proof in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Mary Pinchot Meyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. A. Copeland Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) So here's an interesting thought: If the vehicle indeed slowed down to what some considered a halt, and if this is not present in the extant zfilm (if this "slowing" is in the film then I have a very poor understanding of the term "slowed", "halt", etc.)....then could this logically imply that the film most are familiar with today is not (or I should say "does not") somehow accurately record the shooting (or at the very least, the vehicle and driver's actions) as it actually occurred on that very tragic day? Edited January 20, 2015 by B. A. Copeland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 So here's an interesting thought: If the vehicle indeed slowed down to what some considered a halt, and if this is not present in the extant zfilm (if this "slowing" is in the film then I have a very poor understanding of the term "slowed", "halt", etc.)....then could this logically imply that the film most are familiar with today is not (or I should say "does not") somehow accurately record the shooting (or at the very least, the vehicle and driver's actions) as it actually occurred on that very tragic day? Hi B. A., Good to see you here again. My "take" on it is that the limo did not come to a complete stop but did slow down dramatically for a second or two. I think the witnesses who said that it came to a complete stop just noticed the red brake lights coming on as Greer braked, saw the limo slow down abruptly as Hill was running towards it, trying to climb aboard, and then saw the limo rapidly accelerate away, and due to the dreamlike and hectic "confusion of the moment", later thought they remembered seeing the limo actually stop, but it hadn't. But then again, I'm probably wrong, and I'm just a "dumb cluck" who's suffering from a very severe case of "Cognitive Dissonance". LOL --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Thomas, also if we keep in mind the Queen Mary and the motorcycle escort came to a complete stop, the whole scene from any particular vantage point might appear that the limo also came to a complete stop along with the rest of the vehicles. also even those close to the limo did not say the limo stopped, they used phrases using words like momentarily, so for all practical purposes the limo came to a momentary halt or almost did should satisfy any arguments. The fact is the limo slowed dramatically after Z-300 and did not accelerate until ~Z-347. (we are all 'dumb clucks' when it comes to comprehending what the elites are doing and have done to us) (the more we learn the more we understand how far ahead of us they are in their thinking and how deep the deceptions are they have laid in our path) Edited January 20, 2015 by Robert Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Thomas, also if we keep in mind the Queen Mary and the motorcycle escort came to a complete stop, the whole scene from any particular vantage point might appear that the limo also came to a complete stop along with the rest of the vehicles. also even those close to the limo did not say the limo stopped, they used phrases using words like momentarily, so for all practical purposes the limo came to a momentary halt or almost did should satisfy any arguments. The fact is the limo slowed dramatically after Z-300 and did not accelerate until ~Z-347. Robert, I can't believe it. We actually agree on something. Maybe there's hope for me yet. LOL Have a good day, --Tommy PS The fact that the motorcycles and the Queen Mary caught up a bit with the limo and then stopped or nearly stopped would contribute to the illusion that the limo itself had come to a complete stop. Edited March 28, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Police Motorcycle Officer Cheney. "Hargis stopped his motor and ran across in front of me… I don’t recall myself stopping.. I must have or come almost to a stop. Hargis did, he got off his motorcycle over on the left hand side and run between those two cars. … and run in front of me, so apparentlyI did too. I don’t recall stopping but I must have." How could Hargis have run between JFK limo and the SS car if the two cars didn't stop? Edited January 20, 2015 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Police Motorcycle Officer Cheney. "Hargis stopped his motor and ran across in front of me… I don’t recall myself stopping.. I must have or come almost to a stop. Hargis did, he got off his motorcycle over on the left hand side and run between those two cars. … and run in front of me, so apparently I did too. I don’t recall stopping but I must have." How could Hargis have run between JFK limo and the SS car if the two cars didn't stop? Ray, IMHO, Hargis would have had plenty of room if just the Queen Mary (the SS car) stopped. But it's immaterial because Hargis' riding between the two cars obviously took place after the fatal head shot. What I'm willing to argue against is the idea that the limo came to a complete stop before the fatal head shot. --Tommy Edited January 20, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Thomas, the limo can be seen to slow down starting around Z-300. What is important is the cause and effect that can be observed. IF you can accept the fact that GREER and KELLERMAN did not hear the first noise that caused KENNEDY'S throat injury, they can be seen looking into the back seats no doubt wondering what KENNEDY and CONNALLYS were doing, since they did not hear a shot they may have wondered if there was a medical problem of some sort. JC started to lay down on top on NELLIE at about Z-280, shortly after this HILL starts to run to the limo and around Z-300 we have visible signs the limo is slowing down evidenced by the MC escorts overtaking the limo. Consider that GREER slowed the limo in response to JC laying down to allow CLINT HILL to transfer to the limo for assistance. GREER may have slowed even more when the first rifle shot occurred at Z-313 to allow HILL to get to the limo quicker to help protect the President. The evidence should be clear that the first shot fired in DP was silent, the next three, starting at Z-313 were rifle shots, heard by all. Four shots total. Edited January 20, 2015 by Robert Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Thomas, the limo can be seen to slow down starting around Z-300. What is important is the cause and effect that can be observed. IF you can accept the fact that GREER and KELLERMAN did not hear the first noise that caused KENNEDY'S throat injury, they can be seen looking into the back seats no doubt wondering what KENNEDY and CONNALLYS were doing, since they did not hear a shot they may have wondered if there was a medical problem of some sort. JC started to lay down on top on NELLIE at about Z-280, shortly after this HILL starts to run to the limo and around Z-300 we have visible signs the limo is slowing down evidenced by the MC escorts overtaking the limo. Consider that GREER slowed the limo in response to JC laying down to allow CLINT HILL to transfer to the limo for assistance. GREER may have slowed even more when the first shot occurred at Z-313 to allow HILL to get to the limo to help protect the President. The evidence should be clear that the first shot fired in DP was silent, the next three, starting at Z-313 were rifle shots, heard by all. Robert, I hope you understand that I agree with you that the limo slowed down dramatically before the fatal head shot. I've believed that for a long time. If that's what you're saying. LOL --Tommy Edited January 20, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Charles Brehm and his son were very close eyewitnesses to the assassination. This is an excerpt from his interview with the FBI: "BREHM expressed his opinion that between the first and third shots, the President's car only seemed to move 10 or 12 feet. It seemed to him that the automobile almost came to a halt after the first shot, but of this he is not certain. After the third shot, the car in which the President was riding increased its speed and went under the freeway overpass and out of his sight." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 What's the role of the Pilot Car with Chief Curry inside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Thomas, I really appreciate your comments and your sense of humor. You also appear to have a mind that is open to possibilities. Best Wishes Bob Mady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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