Denny Zartman

I understand this. That's why I specifically noted that most researchers reject Oliver and that I wouldn't argue with it. I'm saying that Hargis's observations do not exist in a vacuum. We may choose to reject Oliver and her statements, but it still remains that there is a witness who backs up Hargis, as well as a third witness, Hoffman, who reported that he saw a man in a policeman's uniform near the same spot prior to the assassination.

There's no reason for Hargis to glom on to the Roscoe White story in 2003 because the Roscoe White story was almost immediately dismissed as a hoax as soon as it became public in 1990. You believe that Roscoe White had 45 pages worth of government connections that the government felt it had to keep secret for decades after the fact? Isn't that, by itself, suspicious?

I'd like to add that it's not just Hargis. It's also Beverly Oliver. Witness Ed Hoffman also says he observed a man in a policeman's uniform behind the fence along with other men just prior to the assassination. I know most people reject Oliver, and I won't argue with them. But I didn't know until now that Hoffman was also widely disbelieved among Conspiracy Theorists. He certainly didn't get rich or become a major celebrity from sharing his story, did he? We on the forum know of him, but I'd bet most average folks have never even heard of James Tague, much less Ed Hoffman. There's also "Badgeman". I'm not saying I believe in Badgeman. But when we consider Hargis, Hoffman, Oliver, and the Badgeman theory, together and then decide to dismiss them all, are we truly being healthily skeptical, or could it be that at some point we are actively looking for excuses to disbelieve the possibility that Roscoe White could have been involved? Isn't some of the reason these individual witness observations are dismissed is because there are no other witness observations to support them? He had a connection to Oswald. His wife had a connection to Ruby. Even as a new recruit that hadn't spent one minute in the police academy, he had the ability to put his hands on important assassination evidence. These are all unfakeable facts. It doesn't make sense to me to dismiss it all as coincidence and not take them into consideration. We have a whole other thread on mysterious deaths, and Roscoe's death clearly qualifies as mysterious, yet any possible significance of that is also dismissed. Why? What exactly makes Roscoe and his death different and meaningless compared to other JFK related mysterious deaths? If Roscoe was just a regular guy, why did the FBI have a file on him at all? It wasn't because Ricky White had come forward. Apparently, the FBI file existed before his story became widely known. So why in the world would they have a file on Roscoe at all? And if he was really was just an average dude, why not release the file in full and unredacted and prove it? As you can probably tell, I'm having a real hard time imagining that the unredacted FBI file on Roscoe White looks like "He liked barbecue and long walks on the beach. We found nothing suspicious." 45 pages of it, too.

It was almost immediately dismissed as a hoax. Doesn't that make a difference either? If it's probably baloney, why do you think the FBI had a file on Roscoe before the story came out, much less 46 pages, 45 of which were withheld or censored? Surely those 45 pages weren't about how White was just an average guy?

After. The interview is from 2003.

That's very cool. I wish I had a chance to visit the Information Center, it's too bad it closed up shop.

Excellent. It's great that you added the news clip of Ricky that puts Hargis's observations in context. I'm especially glad that the news channel included the picture of Geneva and Jack Ruby in their story. I appreciate you putting all these together and getting the videos out there. I believe this other video on your channel also has some important observations about Roscoe White. Transcript 1:27:28 - 1:28:15 Larry Howard: On August the 6th of 1990, the JFK Assassination Information Center in Dallas, Texas had a news conference that was world wide. We had Ricky there to tell his story about his father, Roscoe White. The next day, in the newspapers in Dallas and all over the world, the CIA, the FBI, and the Dallas Police Department said Roscoe White was a nobody. We filed a Freedom of Information Act to find out if this nobody has any FBI documents on him. If he was a nobody, he shouldn't have any. Reporter: But the FBI did have information on Roscoe White; a total of 46 pages. 26 of those were withheld because they were classified. And out of the 20 pages researchers did receive, 19 had been blacked out.

Good work, @Vince Palamara .

Good work, @Robert Morrow , thanks for all that information. Very enlightening.

Definitely. From previous discussions I've read here and elsewhere, it seems clear that researchers at the time felt burned by the story and have since dismissed it as old news disproven long ago. I won't really argue with that. I also feel that the language used in the cables isn't what I imagine it would be if it were authentic. She initially denied working for Jack Ruby, and only recanted after the picture of them together was published in Life Magazine. I think if she were really looking for a payday, she would have been capitalizing on her Ruby connection long before, and not going out of her way to deny it. But there's no doubt that the fake diary she produced irretrievably damaged the entire Roscoe White story in the opinions of JFK researchers. I don't think I'm aware of Hemming's story. I'll have to learn more. The story got a lot of derision at the time of course, and the fake diary pretty much put it all away for good in the eyes of many researchers. But Gary Cartwright, the author of the first big article on Roscoe White "I Am Mandarin", said he didn't believe Ricky was capable of perpetrating a fraud like this.

All right, here's my observation on my previous post regarding "The Fabulous Mr. Harvey Lee": There's nothing in the "green book" scrapbook that explicitly identifies the blonde person in the green book picture as Harvey Lee Goodwin. It's a detail that would only reveal itself with detective work. Is that really something a forger would add?

Pg 189 of "Admitted Assassin" is a reproduction of pg 9 of the "green book", and pg 191 has four pictures, described below, highlighted in bold. Here's the text from "Admitted Assassin" starting pg 190 and ending pg 192: - Page 9: At the top of the page are these notations: [Illegible] 1968 [Illegible] [Illegible] 1 2 [Illegible] Below these notations are two news clipped photos. The top photo is of an unidentified masculine looking blonde or gray-headed woman. This person bears a strong resemblance to female impersonator Harvey W. Goodwin. When on stage, Goodwin was always introduced as " the Incredible Mr Harvey Lee " (Note: Goodwin often performed at Club My O My a popular New Orleans tourist attraction.) There are four pencil strokes across the face. The reason for Goodwin's presence in the green book is unknown; he is not one of the "28 people [who] died from witness program." Goodwin was 79 years old when he died in 1992 - 21 years after Roscoe was killed. The authors can only speculate as to why this photo is included in Roscoe White's perplexing scrapbook. Could Roscoe be alluding to his knowledge that there were two Oswald's involved in the assassination? John Armstrong in his extraordinarily researched book Harvey and Lee makes an exceptionally strong case for there having been to Oswald's who played active roles in the events of November 22nd 1963. One used the name Lee Harvey Oswald while the other was known as Harvey Lee Oswald. (Clockwise from top left) masculine looking woman from scrapbook - female impersonator "The Fabulous Mr Harvey Lee" - Harvey Lee Goodwin - 1960s era Club My O My program Therefore could this inclusion of female impersonator Mr Harvey Lee be an admission of Roscoe's association with both men? If so it appears that Roscoe intended to expose the "two Oswald" charade that was part of the assassination operation. Armstrong believes that it was Harvey Lee Oswald not Lee Harvey Oswald who was employed at the Texas School book depository at the time of the assassination. Not surprisingly the assassination records review board discovered that at one time there existed an FBI file numbered 105-2137 captioned "Harvey Lee Oswald" that file is now MISSING! The bottom photo on this page shows two as yet unidentified men in suits sitting at what appears to be a desk or table. They may be Warren Commission staff members who came to Dallas tasked with deposing various witnesses. Each man has a pencil stroke across his face. A hand scribbled notation is below the photo. Cover-up starts now This is an obvious reference by Roscoe inferring that the Warren commission's responsibility was to ensure the "lone assassin," "lone avenger" scenario remained intact. - https://ibb.co/c2jQL3V https://ibb.co/NF4nw9w

There's an example I'd like to show from the scrapbook a.k.a. "green book", but I think it's more effective with images from the book. Unfortunately, I've reached my photo limit and can't figure out how to add image links from Google Drive. I'll try to figure it out if I can.

I understand having concerns about the cables. I don't think the diary disappearing is suspicious. If it were real, it certainly would have been something conspirators would want to conceal. The story of the emergency plane landing is documented and certainly appears consistent with the FBI looking for items in Ricky's possession. The scrapbook, I have to disagree with you on. I respect you and your work tremendously, and I'm very interested in your opinions on Roscoe White. But in my view the scrapbook is weird, and there's something about it that I don't think a person faking it would have added. I'll try to elaborate with an example in a separate post.