Cliff Varnell

That's what happened, didn't it? During Eisenhower's second term, Joe Kennedy and Robert Lovett lobbied Ike to fire Dulles. https://cryptome.org/0001/bruce-lovett.htm#schlesinger <q> [T]he increased mingling in the internal affairs of other nations of bright, highly graded young men who must be doing something all the time to justify their reason for being. ... Busy, moneyed and privileged, [the CIA] likes its "King Making." responsibility (the intrigue is fascinating -- considerable self-satisfaction, sometimes with applause, derives from "successes" -- no charge is made for "failures" -- and the whole business is very much simpler than collecting covert intelligence on the USSR through the usual CIA methods!)... Should not someone, somewhere in an authoritative position in our government on a continuing basis, be . . . calculating . . . the long-range wisdom of activities which have entailed our virtual abandonment of the international "golden rule," and which, if successful to the degree claimed for them, are responsible in a great measure for stirring up the turmoil and raising the doubts about us that exist in many countries of the world today? . . . Where will we be tomorrow?” </q> Although the above denunciation of "bright, highly graded young men" was written in 1956, it certainly applied to Richard Bissell, who became CIA Deputy Director for Plans at the beginning of 1959. Bissell pushed for the creation of the ZR/RIFLE assassination squad, and ordered hits on Patrice Lumumba, Rafael Trujillo, and Fidel Castro. Lovett and Bissell had worked on the Marshall Plan starting in 1948. Both of them worked closely with Averell Harriman (Skull & Bones 1913) After the 1960 election, Lovett and Joe Kennedy formed JFK's kitchen cabinet. Lovett recommended Dean Rusk for State, C. Douglas Dillon for Treasury, Robert McNamara for Defense and McGeorge Bundy National Security Advisor. Lovett and Bundy's father Harvey were Skull & Bones members who worked closely together at the Department of War during WW2. McGeorge and his brother William were also Skull & Bones. Bissell had been tapped to join S&B but he turned them down. Did gaining power slacken Bob Lovett and Joe Kennedy's desire to get rid of Allen Dulles? Did Lovett convince his fellow Yalies, Bissell and Bundy, to botch the BOP intentionally? I can't say as a fact that the BOP failure was planned to provide a rationale for Dulles' dismissal, but in my book that scenario makes as much sense as the incompetence/inertia scenario described by ace BOP historian Larry Hancock (see In Denial: Secret Wars with Air Strikes and Tanks?)

Happy Let's Get Rid of Allen Dulles Day. Joe Kennedy soon after the BOP: . "I know that outfit, and I wouldn't pay them a hundred bucks a week. It's a lucky thing they were found out early." I don't think luck had anything to do with it. Intentional sabotage by Richard Bissell and McGeorge Bundy, more like it.

Much better. And a water cooler for "Those who believe alternative/MAGA facts." Works for me. I entertain "alternative" views on a number of subjects, none are MAGA tho. 2 threads cover it.

I think the Water Cooler needed one thread -- "Free for All." I think many here find "MAGA" and "Mainstream" pejoratives.

Consider yourself contacted, Sandy. I'd like to delete attachments on the 56 years thread. Now what?

Attachments. There's no edit function in a locked thread. "For those who believe mainstream contemporary facts." I find that off-putting.

Because the 56 years thread is locked, I can't edit out attachments. Anyway around this?

The plotters apparently had their reasons. A first shot-kill shot must not have been 100% guaranteed. My bet is on the Black Dog Man position. But it didn't since the first shot wasn't a kill shot.

Wouldn't your proposed scenario require it? So in this scenario a .22 round ripped a couple inches of trachea, mushroomed, bruised the top of the lung and broke blood vessels, then left a hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process. That's very little damage, eh? What was the purpose of a non-lethal first shot? If they wanted to paralyze the target why not use a blood soluble paralytic and not worry over removing a round?

It surely counterfeits (again) the claim that the throat wound was an exit. Sadly, it isn't only LNers who pass that lie. It appears to have rendered him immobile and mute. I don't believe the stare of death photo is authentic. An extra cervical x-ray to locate a small caliber bullet? Small like a pellet? A hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process. Nothing but soft tissue.

According to the cervical x-ray (authenticated by Dr. David Mantik) there was an air-pocket overlaying the right C7/T1 transverse processes. James Gordon had worked up a model of JFK's cervical structure, so I asked him about the trajectory of such an air-pocket.

Do not trust narratives promoted by Ben Cole. Stephens referred to the Steele Dossier and the FBI surveillance of Carter Page as an "elaborate hoax." Nothing came of the Page surveillance and the Steele Dossier was barely mentioned in the Mueller Report.

The most devastating political ad since "Willie Horton" in '88.

100% proof of conspiracy was presented by Michael Baden of the HSCA and James Humes in his WC testimony. <emphasis added> Michael Baden, Head of the HSCA Medical Panel "In [JFK's] jacket and the underlying shirt there is a perforation of the fabric that corresponds directly with the location of the perforation of the skin of the right upper back that, the panel concluded, was an entrance gunshot perforation that entered the back of the President. This is correspondingly seen in the shirt underneath." https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol1/html/HSCA_Vol1_0100b.htm The WC testimony of Commander James Humes pg 364-5 https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/pdf/WH2_Humes.pdf <emphasis added> Mr. SPECTOR: Have you had an opportunity to examine the clothing which has been identified for you as being that worn by the President on the day of the assassination? Commander HUMES: Yes; yesterday, just shortly before the Commission hearing today was begun, Mr. Chief Justice, we had opportunity for the first time to examine the clothing worn by the late President. In private conversation among ourselves before this opportunity, we predicted we would find defects in the clothing corresponding with the defects which were found, of course, on the body of the late President. .. Mr. SPECTOR: …Doctor Humes, will you describe for the record what hole, if any, is observable in the back of that garment which would be at or about the spot you have described as being the point of entry on the President’s back or lower neck. Commander HUMES. Yes, sir. This exhibit is a grey suit coat stated to have been worn by the President on the day of his death. Situated to the right of the midline high in the back portion of the coat is a defect, one margin of which is semicircular. Situated above it just below the collar is an additional defect. It is our opinion that the lower of these defects corresponds essentially with the point of entrance of the missile at Point C on Exhibit 385. Mr. SPECTER. Would it be accurate to state that the hole which you have identified as being the point of entry is approximately 6 inches below the top of the collar, and 2 inches to the right of the middle seam of the coat? Commander HUMES. That is approximately correct, sir. This defect, I might say, continues on through the material. </q> The bullet holes in the clothes match the back wound -- too low to associate with the throat wound.

Here's RFKjr pimping another right-wing narrative: You’ll Never Guess What RFK Jr. Says Really Causes Mass Shootings https://newrepublic.com/post/180434/rfk-guns-kill-people-antidepressants Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has a reputation for promoting pseudoscience. But in a recently surfaced interview, Kennedy makes one of his wildest claims yet: that the rise in mass shootings over the past 20 years is due to antidepressants and video games. </q> Video games are popular in Iceland. https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/digital-media/video-games/iceland So are anti-depressants. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/mindset/2024/1/14/why-are-antidepressants-so-popular-in-iceland#:~:text=Iceland is known for its,highest rate of antidepressant use. So are guns.