William Gaudet

[Karl Kinaski]

Quote: THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION COVER UP, by Donald Gibson page 164.

Ochsner was personally close to the leaders of the New Orleans elite and he

was directly connected to many in the national power structure. Among the New

Orleans associates was Theodore Brent, who also was personally close to Clay

Shaw. Brent was president of the Mississippi Shipping Company an d a director

of the Hibernia National Bank. He was a founding trustee of the Alton Ochsner

Medical Foundation and he helped to finance the Ochsner Foundation Hospital,

opened in 1954. Brent was also a director of the ITM affiliated Interational

House. IH was a New Orleans based but nationally connected promoter of "free

trade" with Latin America. Brent's Mississippi Shipping apparently subsidized

the Latin American Report, published in the 1940s an d 1950s by William G.

Gaudet. Gaudet, who also received support from Ochsner and was associated

with Edward Bernays of United Fruit, 13 claimed that he worked for the Central

Intelligence Agency.

The guys surrounding Oswald in NOLA in 1963 where all together very close...

[Thomas Graves]

Hi all,

wondering if anyone can help with some info on William Gaudet. In Anthony Summers 'Conspiracy' it says he had an office near Guy Banister at 'Camp and Common Street' in NO.

Presumably on the corner or between the two streets? Does anyone know which number the office was located at? Have been trying to dig into his presence in New Orleans a bit more but the main thing that comes up on the internet is the fact he was the person in front (or was it behind?) Oswald at the embassy in Mexico City.

William G. Gaudet was in line just in front of Oswald in New Orleans on September 17, 1963, when they got entry papers for visiting Mexico. As far as I know, he was not at "the embassy in Mexico City" with Oswald.

Here's Gaudet's obituary:

http://www.jfk-online.com/jpswgobit.html

I would like to see a photograph of him some day so I can try to spot him in the films taken of Oswald's leafleting activities...

--Tommy

[Stephen Roy]

Hi all,

wondering if anyone can help with some info on William Gaudet. In Anthony Summers 'Conspiracy' it says he had an office near Guy Banister at 'Camp and Common Street' in NO.

Presumably on the corner or between the two streets? Does anyone know which number the office was located at? Have been trying to dig into his presence in New Orleans a bit more but the main thing that comes up on the internet is the fact he was the person in front (or was it behind?) Oswald at the embassy in Mexico City.

William G. Gaudet was in line just in front of Oswald in New Orleans on September 17, 1963, when they got entry papers for visiting Mexico.

--Tommy

Allow me to quibble with this. Gaudet's was the "tourist card immediately preceding (Oswald's) in numerical sequence" on that day. There is no evidence that they were there at the same time or in line together. In fact, Gaudet "could not recall having seen Oswald on that day." The two events could have been separated by some time. To say that they were in the same line at the same time suggests a relationship not supported by the evidence.

Just sayin'.

[Thomas Graves]

Hi all,

wondering if anyone can help with some info on William Gaudet. In Anthony Summers 'Conspiracy' it says he had an office near Guy Banister at 'Camp and Common Street' in NO.

Presumably on the corner or between the two streets? Does anyone know which number the office was located at? Have been trying to dig into his presence in New Orleans a bit more but the main thing that comes up on the internet is the fact he was the person in front (or was it behind?) Oswald at the embassy in Mexico City.

William G. Gaudet was in line just in front of Oswald in New Orleans on September 17, 1963, when they got entry papers for visiting Mexico.

--Tommy

Allow me to quibble with this. Gaudet's was the "tourist card immediately preceding (Oswald's) in numerical sequence" on that day. There is no evidence that they were there at the same time or in line together. In fact, Gaudet "could not recall having seen Oswald on that day." The two events could have been separated by some time. To say that they were in the same line at the same time suggests a relationship not supported by the evidence.

Just sayin'.

Stephen,

So whether it was a matter of seconds, minutes, or hours, do you agree that Gaudet got his "tourist card" sequentially before Oswald did, not after as you stated earlier? I know it's a minor point but accuracy is important.

I wonder how many people got their "tourist card" etc, that day (September 17, 1963) at that particular office.

Were that office's workers ever questioned as to whether or not they actually saw Oswald there that day, and if so, was he with another man?

Peter Dale Scott raises an interesting issue: Maybe Gaudet went to the N.O. Mexican Consulate with Oswald's birth certificate and got a "tourist card" for "Oswald," just to create a paper trail that would later "prove" that Lee Harvey Oswald had gone to Mexico City.

Have you ever seen the list? I haven't. I'm too lazy to look it up. I'm just going by what Peter Dale Scott wrote about Gaudet in the google books version of Deep Politics and the Death of JFK.

https://books.google.com/books?id=zWewDbarT3YC&lpg=PA96&dq=gaudet+oswald+tourist&source=bl&ots=6HRb_qKHxm&sig=77E3PSEFSDwJEn14K1yCLHg1rvw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UF93VfirBsqqNuKOgpAI&sqi=2&output=reader&pg=GBS.PA95.w.1.4.0

--Tommy

Edited June 10, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Stephen Roy]

Yep, I goofed. I said after, when it was before. Nine years ago. It would be inaccurate to say the evidence shows that they were in line together.

I can't find the document either, but I think that about 15 people got their papers that day.

[Thomas Graves]

Yep, I goofed. I said after, when it was before. Nine years ago. It would be inaccurate to say the evidence shows that they were in line together.

I can't find the document either, but I think that about 15 people got their papers that day.

Peter Dale Scott points out that the name of the person (Gaudet) who got Tourist Card # 24084 that day (Oswald's was # 24085) was the only name missing from the short list which the Mexican government provided and which purported to show the people who got Tourist Cards immediately before and after "Oswald" got his.

See the section "F.M. 8 CARDS LOCATED" in this Warren Commission document:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=703&tab=page

--Tommy

Edited June 10, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[John Dolva]

One can perhaps speculate reasonably. I suspect there is a tendency for pople getting these things to go around the same time periods, eg morning, lunch, afternoon. If one takes into account the time it takes to process a request back then one can guess about how many per hour. So, 15 'in one day' can reasonably mean many of those followed immediately each other.
If there is a time for when Oswald got his card then one knows the time possible for when the persons preeeding him that day could have gotten theirs. for example. if he got his at 9.15am then likely the person preceeding him was immediately in line behind him. Maybe what is needed is the (any) times at which people got their cards that day.

[Stephen Roy]

The range of possibilities is wide. It is possible that they were there at the same time (but no evidence) or is possible that they were three hours apart (but no evidence). Gaudet said he didn't recall seeing Oswald there,

[Thomas Graves]

The range of possibilities is wide. It is possible that they were there at the same time (but no evidence) or is possible that they were three hours apart (but no evidence). Gaudet said he didn't recall seeing Oswald there,

And it's also possible that Gaudet took Lee Harvey Oswald's birth certificate with him and got not only a tourist card for himself, but also a tourist card in Oswald's name so that later it would look like Lee Harvey Oswald had gone to Mexico City.

If this was the case, then of course Gaudet didn't "see" Oswald at the Mexican Consulate in New Orleans on 9/17/63. Because Oswald wasn't there.

LOL

Regarding the time of day and the number of people, this is from Weberman's "Nodule 13" :

On Tuesday, September 17, 1963, William G. Gaudet applied for tourist card so that he could enter Mexico just before OSWALD did. [Washington Star 1.11.76] When the FBI interviewed Gaudet about his Mexican Tourist Card in 1964, he told the Bureau that in the early afternoon of Tuesday, September 17, 1963, he picked up a travel permit from the Mexican Consulate. According to Gaudet, obtaining a Tourist Card just before OSWALD did was coincidental, and he did not see OSWALD at the Mexican Consulate in New Orleans that day: "There were six or seven persons waiting to pick up permits and to the best of his recollection, LEE HARVEY OSWALD was not one of them."

[ emphasis added by T. Graves ]

--Tommy

PS Why are there no photographs of Gaudet on the Internet?

According to his obituary, he graduated from Tulane University.

During WW II he worked under Nelson Rockefeller in the US Government's Soviet-penetrated Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs. He was interviewed many times over the years by the CIA, and at one point admitted that he had worked for the CIA.

Edited June 10, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Greg Parker]

I think this is him. More pics at the bottom

http://www.mourning.com/obituaries/William-Gaudet-Sr-Usn-Ret/

Edited June 10, 2015 by Greg Parker

[Thomas Graves]

I think this is him. More pics at the bottom

http://www.mourning.com/obituaries/William-Gaudet-Sr-Usn-Ret/

Nope, that couldn't be him, Greg.

According to his obituary, our William George Gaudet died in 1981 at the age of 72:

http://www.jfk-online.com/jpswgobit.html

See also:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60685548

--Tommy

Edited June 10, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Greg Parker]

I think this is him. More pics at the bottom

http://www.mourning.com/obituaries/William-Gaudet-Sr-Usn-Ret/

Nope, that couldn't be him, Greg.

According to his obituary, our William George Gaudet died in 1981 at the age of 72:

http://www.jfk-online.com/jpswgobit.html

See also:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60685548

--Tommy

Hmmm. Damn doppelgangers are everywhere!

[Thomas Graves]

I think this is him. More pics at the bottom

http://www.mourning.com/obituaries/William-Gaudet-Sr-Usn-Ret/

Nope, that couldn't be him, Greg.

According to his obituary, our William George Gaudet died in 1981 at the age of 72:

http://www.jfk-online.com/jpswgobit.html

See also:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60685548

--Tommy

Hmmm. Damn doppelgangers are everywhere!

Yes, Greg.

The problem is, they will probably try to incorporate these two "William G. Gaudets" into the Harvey and Lee and Henry, Too theory!

--Tommy

PS The funny thing is Mr. Jon G. Tidd believes in Harvey and Lee, but says the CIA didn't kill Kennedy. Go figure.

Anyway, it would sure be nice to see a photo of William George Gaudet (born 1908, died 1981) some day. It's fascinating that his name was the only one excluded from the short list of 9/17/63 New Orleans "tourist card" recipients the Mexican Government sent to the American authorities after the assassination...

Gaudet's Mexican "F.M. 8 Card" number was 24084, and Oswald's was 24085. Cards numbered 24087 and 24086 (a Mr. and Mrs. de Men), and cards 24082 and 24083 (a Mr. and Mrs. North) are described in detail, but card number 24084 (Gaudet's) is not even mentioned.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=703&tab=page

Edited June 10, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

I think this is him. More pics at the bottom

http://www.mourning.com/obituaries/William-Gaudet-Sr-Usn-Ret/

Nope, that couldn't be him, Greg.

According to his obituary, our William George Gaudet died in 1981 at the age of 72:

http://www.jfk-online.com/jpswgobit.html

See also:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60685548

--Tommy

Hmmm. Damn doppelgangers are everywhere!

Yes, Greg.

The problem is, they will probably try to incorporate these two "William G. Gaudets" into the Harvey and Lee and Henry, Too theory!

--Tommy

PS The funny thing is Mr. Jon G. Tidd believes in Harvey and Lee, but says the CIA didn't kill Kennedy. Go figure.

Anyway, it would sure be nice to see a photo of William George Gaudet (born 1908, died 1981) some day. It's fascinating that his name was the only one excluded from the short list of 9/17/63 New Orleans "tourist card" recipients the Mexican Government sent to the American authorities after the assassination...

Gaudet's Mexican "F.M. 8 Card" number was 24084, and Oswald's was 24085. Cards numbered 24087 and 24086 (a Mr. and Mrs. de Men), and cards 24082 and 24083 (a Mr. and Mrs. North) are described in detail, but card number 24084 (Gaudet's) is not even mentioned.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=703&tab=page

As alluded to above, the FBI's March 16, 1964, report to the Warren Commission (CE 2193), which appears to be an accurate English translation of a Mexican government Spanish-language document originally written on November 30, 1963 (but which the FBI claimed that it didn't receive until March 9, 1964), makes absolutely no mention of FM - 8 No. 24084 (the tourist card issued right before Oswald's at the New Orleans Mexican Consulate on September 17, 1963) although it does give the names and numbers and details of four other tourist cards which were also very sequentially-close to Oswald's.. See page -4- and -5- of the document.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2193.pdf

But here's page 4 of an internal FBI document dated November 30, 1963, which shows that the FBI knew by November 30, 1963, that FM - 8 No. 24084 had been issued to William George Gaudet.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57684&relPageId=153&search=24084_gaudet

It's also interesting to note that although Warren Commission Document No. 75, a FBI report by William DeBrueys, states that Gaudet on November 27, 1963 claimed he went to the New Orleans Mexican Consulate to get a tourist card in the early afternoon of September 17, 1963, Gaudet's tourist card number (FM - 8 No. 24084) is not mentioned in the report (to be fair, neither are the tourist card numbers of sequentially-close Mr. and Mrs. de Men or Mr. and Mrs. North, but then again it would have looked strange wouldn't it if the FBI had divulged their tourist card numbers in the report but withheld Gaudet's). The way the report is written, one would never guess that long-time CIA asset William George Gaudet had been issued his tourist card sequentially-speaking right before Oswald. Why did the FBI not want us to know that?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477&search=gaudet#relPageId=592&tab=page

If it's true that the FBI "couldn't locate" the record of FM - 8 No. 24084, as they later told the HSCA, one wonders how the FBI decided to interview Gaudet on November 27, 1963 in the first place.

Maybe long-time CIA asset William George Gaudet called the the FBI on November 27, 1963, and said, "I want you to know that I got my tourist card the same day that Oswald got his, but I swear I didn't see him there! Why don't you interview me?"

LOL

--Tommy

Edited June 10, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[David Josephs]

I'd like to add a few things about Oswald's Mexican tourist Visa application and the actual visa itself.

What is offered in the WCR are two images of the application... one with only the top and one with the bottom... I've over laid them to show what each of these images is missing of the whole application:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0354a.htm CE2481

The signature is cut of the first imatge while the #24085 and his name is cut off the 2nd.

Not really a major thing until we notice that the 15 day FM-8 he was given was a result of his applying for an FM-5 180-day visa...

In my work on Mexico I came to find that this "original" document was also provided by the same man who provided most of the other fraudulent evidence, the Lawyer OCHOA.

The only things which corroborate Oswald having #24085 is this application for a different Visa type and the visa itself with "Valida por 15 diaz" typed on it.

Since I am of the opinion that Oswald never did travel to Mexico City, I am also of the opinion that this Visa was also created after the fact - stamps and all

(On pages 19 of http://www.ctka.net/2015/Part%203_Section%20B.pdf I do an analysis of the stamps on this visa and how they do not match the stubs related to them... nor do they have the name of the men they are supposed to have on them)

My point being that either Gaudet having the previous number is a complete coincidence, or Gaudet may have helped create this application document so it coincides with the created Visa which was used to promote the false travel story...

In either case, the problems with the FM-5 and FM-8 switch is strange since the Mexico Oswald is quoted as saying he HAD to leave due to his Visa expiring - which was also false even if it was a 15 day visa... the 15 days starts when the person arrives in the country, not on the day it was purchased. A minor slip up in the story yet a slip up none the less. If the story was created after the fact as I suspect, not being aware of this minor date issue becomes more of an indicator of this fraud than anything else.

D-52, the FBI # for this visa application is described in WCD735 p77 as "XEROX copy of application to visit Mexico" FBI and xerox copies... the easiest way to fabricate any end result document you want - at least according to the FBI and the HSCA handwriting experts in their reports.

Gaudet knows Bannister, knows Oswald, witnesses the ITM leafletting and had done extensive work for the CIA (the Gaudet notebook at Baylor has docs from the mid 50's praising Gaudet - and are heavily redacted see below) He went to Mexico for a single day, by airplance, on Sept 19th... One day after Alvarado's original dates for the Oswald sighting...

Alvarado was a proven CIA asset... seems to me the connections are there - albeit a bit hazy

DJ