Paul Troglia

EXCUSE me? "Sea of angst?" Please, enlighten me as to how I'm swimming in a "sea of angst," since you seem to know so much about me. I'm really curious to know. I don't mind being spoken of as a "protege," even though if I WAS - it wouldn't be under the guidance of John Ritchson, as intelligent as he is. However, there are worse things one could be referred to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hello Ms. Martin, Your written words on this site are the basis for my remark. You have asked for people to think how they would "feel" if a Republican were shot; you have lambasted the masses for their concern over J Lo's hair; you have described the anguish of your grandmother when listening to Walter Cronkite's announcement. What you have discovered is you're not off the hook--people form opinions about you when you express yourself. Some you like;some you don't. That's the big risk in life. Now you have to decide if you care what people think. Remember the words of Robert Burns, "O wad some power the gift he gie us, to see ourselves as others see us." Paul T.

Hi Jim, Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was the exploration of his possible connection to the governement was done by the Warren Commission and referred to in the Warren Report. They concluded he was not on the payroll and not an agent of the US governement. Paul

Hi Jim, You know as well as I that Oswald's connection to the government was no secret, not even in 1963. All of it is explained in the 26 volumes and in the Warren Report itself. Even when he went to Russia, he wanted to work for the KGB, but they didn't want anything to do with him because he was such a loose cannon. Another thing, and this is just my intuition now, but Oswald was only 24, a kid, really. What kind of sophisticatiuon could he bring to such intricate underground networks? Paul

Ron, Gives me the creeps, too. Not because JFK and Tippit resembled each other, but because somebody thought it necessary to make such a picture. I think the photo is solid proof that Oswald was nuts. He thought he missed Kennedy at the Depository and had to shoot him again when he saw him in his cop outfit. Makes as much sense as some of the other theories on this site. PT

Have Patients Drill Sgt. I know you expect people to [Come TO] when you Bark an order but this old soldier doesn't jump to anyone's barks any longer regardless of their command presence. I felt it important to provide the readers on this [Educational Forum] with some basic background before I start posting on the specifics of the JFK case, so that they will have some understanding as to what I writing about. BTW, I will be posting on the specifics of both scenerios; the LN/WC scenerio as well as the Conspiracy Frontal shot scenerio. So stay tuned and remember we are mostly [Civilians] around here. Respectfully: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> John, I eagerly await your posting on the ballistics. By the way, if I were barking orders, I would have used a bold font! PT

Come on everyone, let's shuck down to the cob: Why would a conspiracy, any conspiracy, "The Conspiracy," produce so much fake evidence that so obviously reveals itself? Phony x-rays, phony autopsy photos, phony Oswalds, phony guns, phony witnesses---please. What is going on? Why this avalanche of non-sensical opinion, distorted fact, and outright BS to elevate the Kennedy assassination into such a fantasy? Has there been a 40-year mass hypnosis? I'd really like to know. Faithfully yours, Paul Troglia PS: While this message sounds like a blow-off, I do respect your opinions, as convoluted as they may seem.

John, Bully for you. Now, instead of an emotional diatribe, how abour some facts. Not just general ballistic facts, but facts that pertain to the flight of the bullet in the Kennedy assassination. It may be beneficial to your 17-year old protoge, Ms. Martin, who, while eloquent for her age, is swimming in a sea of angst common to youth. Paul Troglia, et al. (who, believe it or not, are out there)

Please specify if this is opinion or if you have a reference for this. Thanks. There is enough evidence to suggest that Lee ordered the rifle, received the rifle, and possessed the rifle. Marina has never wavered in her testimonies and statements that she saw the rifle, and while in New Orleans, saw Lee cleaning the rifle. Whether he fired the rifle on November 22 is another matter. RJS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> _______________________________ Richard, re the LHO print being planted after his death: this is not an opinion, but I do not have time to cite sources, except two, Garrison, in his Playboy interview in 1967, and a second source who was a Dallas police officer that day and wishes to remain annonymous. There are other sources for this and I will get them when I have more time, I have an all day work commitment today, so cannot at the moment, but I will. Dawn <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dawn, Lack of time in solving the crime of the 20th century? Really. PT

Hi George, Even though your "Chance of solving this crime" string was not supposed to be posted, I think it's a great topic. And I'll be glad to pose one answer (for those who think it hasn't been solved)--no chance. Not because it's beyond solving, or because the evidence is contradictory, or that it's too old. The murder of John Kennedy is, and forever will be, a perpetual game of Clue (The CIA on the knoll with the Mauser; The Mafia on the overpass with the Luger; the Texas oilmen with the Patsy in the window). I think the reason is this: Most people on this site don't really want it solved. It is a classic example of how the journey is so much more important than the destination. PS: Just in case they don't have it in Europe, George, Clue is a board game every kid in America plays while growing up.

We came SO close! When the Russians turned back, Dean Rusk made a comment I'll never forget: We are eyeball to eyeball, and I think the other fellow just blinked. Oh, there are some who say the real hero of the crisis was Kruschev because he backed down, realizing Kennedy would actually go to war for that island. IMO Kennedy was the hero. Fair play for Cuba, but for real.

______________________ Nic, I totally agree with you. You are one smart 17 year old. You will be a brilliant historian. Great instincts, as well as research abilities. You're education is serving you well. (Says a lot about our school system, doen't it?) )) Dawn <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ps Ron and Anitti: Good posts, gives Paul a LOT to think about. I believe LHO fired no shots that day. The print they later found on the gun was put there after he was in the morgue. There was no nitrate on his face, an impossibility if one fires a rifle. The MC is not an assassina's weapon of choice, hardly and the SBT is pure lunacy. Paul, the autopsy pics are FAKES. I know asking you to read David Lifton's book Best Evidence is too much to ask (it's soooo long) but this proof of fake autopsy photos is all in the Bob Groden video you said you would rent. Dawn <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, ok, I'll rent it. But jeez, now fake photos?

Hi again, I am not suggesting that none of that goes on. Check the work of Jim Root and others on the string "Why Assassination Necesssary." But look at your definition again. Do you see a lot of scientific inquiry or closed and careful study going on? It seems to me the word that best applies to much of this site is not research, but axiom: a statement or premise accepted as true without proof. Paul PS: I mean no disrespect, but check your spelling. After all, if such obvious detail is wrong, what else may be in error? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Greetings Paul: If you check out my own posting history on this and other forums as well as some of the other serious researchers, I submit that you will find a great deal of valid scientific research all of which tends to poke rather large holes in the technical aspects of the 26 volumes. However, I would council you to begin by reading and digesting Julian Hatcher's definitive work on Internal, External, and Terminal Ballistics as well as John Thomson's work and throw in a bit of Helson and Barnes. Afterwards, you may find we haven't so much to discuss after all since you may very well gain a clear understanding of the subject matter I am dealing with. Unless/Until you accomplish that, I must confess that I will have difficulties relating to you the more intricate details of my work and would kindly request that you, for the time being, accept or not as you choose, my nearly 40 years experience in this field. With respect to your definition of [AXIOM], according to my Websters, that definition applies only to math & logic with the number 1 definition being, " A Self-Evident or Universally Recognized Truth; Established Rule, Principal or Law." Finally, with respect to your remark about my spelling [Definition] as [Defination], it was so obvious that I would have been suprised that you hadn't caught that one. Simply put, it was a [Friendly] play on the typo "Whay" that you wrote in your comment in lieu of [What]. Hey Guy, we all make typos on occasion but as long as the meaning remains clear it shouldn't be a big deal, whay_I mean What? With All Dew Respect: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hello John, You have my utmost respect for your service in Nam and pulling duty during the Tet Offensive. Interestingly, we both were in the Army in '69. I was drafted, went to Fort Sill, had orders cut for Nam, but they kept me at Sill and made a Drill Sergeant out of me. I volunteered for Nam, helicopter flight, Airborne, the works, but my battery commander, Captain Tommy Franks (yep, the same) decided I was better off training guys rather than going myself. I made E-6 by the time I got out in '71. Trained guys that are on The Wall. Anyhow, a little bio. So you really think there's something more to the Kennedy stuff, huh? PT

___________________________ So well said Shanet. I think this is interesting: Paul professes "no conspiracy", yet he comes back here regularily. Why? Is he trying to convince us or himself. Hard being a Bushie and believing any of this truth. It goes against the Rush like- conditioned mentality mindset, and boggles, instead. At least you are wonderig, Paul. Dawn <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Dawn and Shanet: As I have said in the other strings and often, this is supposed to be a debate. At least that's the title of this string in this "Education" forum. And what, pray tell, does Bush have to do with this discussion? Or is he involved too?

Greetings: My defination of [RESEARCH] is exactly the same defination that is contained in my Websters 2nd Edition_ergo_1. Scholarly [OR] Scientific Investigation [OR] Inquiry._2. Close and Careful [sTUDY]. Question? Are you suggesting that such does not occure on this forum? Respectfully: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi again, I am not suggesting that none of that goes on. Check the work of Jim Root and others on the string "Why Assassination Necesssary." But look at your definition again. Do you see a lot of scientific inquiry or closed and careful study going on? It seems to me the word that best applies to much of this site is not research, but axiom: a statement or premise accepted as true without proof. Paul PS: I mean no disrespect, but check your spelling. After all, if such obvious detail is wrong, what else may be in error?

Well, thank you for the many compliments, I appreciate it. The most I've gone through because of the JFK research is being ruthlessly teased by my peers, and thought of as insane by my family - the odd thing is, even if the government WAS out to get me ( hahah, imagine that ), they'd find that nobody off of this forum and two friends takes me seriously anyway. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nic: I will bet my bottom dollar and you can bet your tail-feathers that the NSA's Signal Intercept people at Ft. Huachuka AZ. are quite interested in what you and every other researcher in this case is up to. I think the ONLY reason we are not recieving more overt concideration by these LUNATICS is that since 9/11 they have bigger fish to fry as it were. However, with some 15 acres of Cray Supercomputers, and the situation as fluid as it is, it is only a matter of time that they will most certainly get around to everyone involved in this case in one respect or another. There is no need to get paranoid over this, but is is also important not to become too complacent simply because you might think yourself relatively unimportant in the larger scheme of things. I would council you to be prepared for a certain amount of harassment which usually begins with denigration and escalates as you get closer to the raw nerve as it were. You will know when that happens by the [FUNNY] and [uNUSUAL] events that start to occure as you progress in your investigation. Nic, if you have not figured it out yet and I think you may very well have; the JFK case represents the [NEXUS] around which the current world situation revolves, and since you represent the next generation of researchers, it is my belief that the powers that be will stop at nothing to prevent you and others like you from evolving into the kind of thinkers which may pose a threat to their agenda which is and has always been nothing short of [WORLD] domination, and the concept that people are more important than property; cooperation is superior to competition, and the highest state humans may aspire to is community, not empire, is antithema and deadly to that agenda. [it Riles Them To Believe That You Percieve The Web They Weave, and Keep On Thinking Free.] The Moody Blues. Respectfully: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will bet my bottom dollar and you can bet your tail-feathers that the NSA's Signal Intercept people at Ft. Huachuka AZ. are quite interested in what you and every other researcher in this case is up to. Might I inquire just whay you mean by "research?" So far, as I read much of the input on this site, "research" means watching assassination movies (JFK, Executive Action, Day of the Jackal. Line of Fire), listening to a lot of other speculators and hypothesizers, quoting rock bands, and generally spreading sanctimony and pretension. There is much available that has substance--contemporaneous interviews with witnesses, published in 26 volumes of testimony taken in 1964 plus information available under the Freedom of Information Act, but very few of you are any sort of "researcher." Too bad, considering the weight you give this event. PT