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I am more convinced than ever before that JFK was killed by a small group of people. It was not a vast conspiracy, but it was a conspiracy. It was not our government that did it. It was perpetrated by a loose cannon that happened to be IN government. Barr McClellan phrased it best “Blood, Money and Power” (That's) How LBJ Killed JFK.

That’s what I think. How about you?

I have argued elsewhere that as a result of the assassination certain aspects of John F. Kennedy’s policies were brought to a halt. This included plans to end the oil depletion allowance, investigations into government corruption (TFX and Bobby Baker scandals), secret negotiations with Fidel Castro, the refusal to start a war in Vietnam and an unwillingness to support anti-democratic military dictators in the America. I have attempted to show that all these decisions benefited the Military Industrial Congressional Intelligence Complex (MICIC).

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Although the MICIC had a good motive for killing Kennedy, it is much more difficult to show how this was organized. A considerable amount of evidence has emerged to indicate that anti-Castro Cubans working for the CIA were involved in the assassination. This in itself was linked to CIA plots to assassinate Fidel Castro.

Gaeton Fonzi has argued convincingly in The Last Investigation that CIA officers, David Atlee Phillips and David Morales were involved in the assassination of Kennedy. Fonzi discovered that in 1963 Morales was head of operations at JM/WAVE, the CIA Miami station. (1) JM/WAVE chief was Ted Shackley and his top deputy was Tom Clines. As Warren Hinckle and William Turner were to point out in Deadly Secrets, Operation 40 the “ultra secret… assassins-for-hire” program was based at the JM/WAVE station. (2)

An account of the formation of Operation 40 can be found in the Senate Report, Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders. On 11th December, 1959, Colonel J. C. King, chief of CIA's Western Hemisphere Division, sent a confidential memorandum to Allen W. Dulles, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. King argued that in Cuba there existed a "far-left dictatorship, which if allowed to remain will encourage similar actions against U.S. holdings in other Latin American countries." (3)

As a result of this memorandum Dulles established Operation 40. It obtained this name because originally there were 40 agents involved in the operation. Later this was expanded to 70 agents. The group was presided over by Richard Nixon. Tracy Barnes became operating officer of what was also called the Cuban Task Force. The first meeting chaired by Barnes took place in his office on 18th January, 1960, and was attended by David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Jack Esterline and Frank Bender.

According to Fabian Escalante, a senior officer of the Cuban Department of State Security (G-2), in 1960 Richard Nixon recruited an "important group of businessmen headed by George Bush (Snr.) and Jack Crichton, both Texas oilmen, to gather the necessary funds for the operation". This suggests that Operation 40 agents were involved in freelance work. (4)

In 1990 Common Cause magazine argued that: "The CIA put millionaire and agent George Bush in charge of recruiting exiled Cubans for the CIA’s invading army; Bush was working with another Texan oil magnate, Jack Crichton, who helped him in terms of the invasion." (5) This story was linked to the release of "a memorandum in that context addressed to FBI chief J. Edward Hoover and signed November 1963, which reads: Mr. George Bush of the CIA" (6)

Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo claim that in 1959 George Bush was asked “to cooperate in funding the nascent anti-Castro groups that the CIA decided to create”. The man “assigned to him for his new mission” was Féliz Rodríguez. (7)

Daniel Hopsicker also takes the view that Operation 40 involved private funding. In the book, Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob and America’s Secret History, he claims that Nixon’s had established Operation 40 as a result of pressure from American corporations which had suffered at the hands of Fidel Castro. (8)

Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin have argued that Bush was very close to members of Operation 40 in the early 1960s. In September, 1963, Bush launched his Senate campaign. At that time, right-wing Republicans were calling on John Kennedy to take a more aggressive approach towards Fidel Castro. For example, in one speech Barry Goldwater said: “I advocate the recognition of a Cuban government in exile and would encourage this government every way to reclaim its country. This means financial and military assistance.” Bush took a more extreme position than Goldwater and called for a “new government-in-exile invasion of Cuba”. As Tarpley and Chaitkin point out, beneficiaries of this policy would have been “Theodore Shackley, who was by now the station chief of CIA Miami Station, Felix Rodriguez, Chi Chi Quintero, and the rest of the boys” from Operation 40. (9)

Paul Kangas is another investigator who has claimed that George Bush was involved with members of Operation 40. In an article published in The Realist in 1990, Kangas claims: "Among other members of the CIA recruited by George Bush for (the attacks on Cuba) were Frank Sturgis, Howard Hunt, Bernard Baker and Rafael Quintero.” In an article published in Granma in January, 2006, the journalists Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo argued that “Another of Bush’s recruits for the Bay of Pigs invasion, Rafael Quintero, who was also part of this underworld of organizations and conspiracies against Cuba, stated: If I was to tell what I know about Dallas and the Bay of Pigs, it would be the greatest scandal that has ever rocked the nation." (10)

Fabian Escalante names William Pawley as being one of those who was lobbying for the CIA to assassinate Castro. (11) Escalante points out that Pawley had played a similar role in the CIA overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala. Interestingly, the CIA assembled virtually the same team that was involved in the removal of Arbenz: Tracey Barnes, Richard Bissell, David Morales, David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Rip Robertson and Henry Hecksher. Added to this list was several agents who had been involved in undercover operations in Germany: Ted Shackley, Tom Clines and William Harvey.

According to Daniel Hopsicker, Edwin Wilson, Barry Seal, William Seymour, Frank Sturgis and Gerry Hemming were also involved in Operation 40. (12) It has also been pointed out that Operation 40 was not only involved in trying to overthrow Fidel Castro. Frank Sturgis has claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents."

Virtually every one of the field agents of Operation 40 were Cubans. This included Rafael ‘Chi Chi’ Quintero, Luis Posada, Orlando Bosch, Roland Masferrer, Eladio del Valle, Guillermo Novo, Carlos Bringuier, Eugenio Martinez, Antonio Cuesta, Hermino Diaz Garcia, Felix Ismael Rodriguez, Antonio Veciana, Juan Manuel Salvat, Ricardo Morales Navarrete, Isidro Borjas, Virgilio Paz, Jose Dionisio Suarez, Felipe Rivero, Gaspar Jimenez Escobedo, Nazario Sargent, Pedro Luis Diaz Lanz, Jose Basulto, and Paulino Sierra. (13)

Most of these characters had been associated with the far-right in Cuban politics. Rumours soon became circulating that it was not only Fidel Castro that was being targeted. On 9th June, 1961, Arthur Schlesinger sent a memo to Richard Goodwin:

“Sam Halper, who has been the Times correspondent in Havana and more recently in Miami, came to see me last week. He has excellent contracts among the Cuban exiles. One of Miro's comments this morning reminded me that I have been meaning to pass on the following story as told me by Halper. Halper says that CIA set up something called Operation 40 under the direction of a man named (as he recalled) Captain Luis Sanjenis, who was also chief of intelligence. (Could this be the man to whom Miro referred this morning?) It was called Operation 40 because originally only 40 men were involved: later the group was enlarged to 70. The ostensible purpose of Operation 40 was to administer liberated territories in Cuba. But the CIA agent in charge, a man known as Felix, trained the members of the group in methods of third degree interrogation, torture and general terrorism. The liberal Cuban exiles believe that the real purpose of Operation 40 was to "kill Communists" and, after eliminating hard-core Fidelistas, to go on to eliminate first the followers of Ray, then the followers of Varona and finally to set up a right wing dictatorship, presumably under Artime.” (14)

In an interview he gave to Jean-Guy Allard in May, 2005, Fabian Escalante pointed out: “Who in 1963 had the resources to assassinate Kennedy? Who had the means and who had the motives to kill the U.S. president? CIA agents from Operation 40 who were rabidly anti-Kennedy. And among them were Orlando Bosch, Luis Posada Carriles, Antonio Veciana and Felix Rodriguez Mendigutia." (15)

This is not the first time that Fabian Escalante has pointed the finger at members of Operation 40. In December, 1995, Wayne Smith, chief of the Centre for International Policy in Washington, arranged a meeting on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, in Nassau, Bahamas. Others in attendance were Gaeton Fonzi, Dick Russell, Noel Twyman, Anthony Summers, Peter Dale Scott, Jeremy Gunn, John Judge, Andy Kolis, Peter Kornbluh, Mary & Ray LaFontaine, Jim Lesar, John Newman, Alan Rogers, Russ Swickard, Ed Sherry, and Gordon Winslow. During a session on 7th December, Escalante claimed that during captivity, Antonio Cuesta, confessed that he had been involved in the assassination of Kennedy. He also named Eladio Del Valle, Rolando Masferrer and Hermino Diaz Garcia as being involved in this operation. All four men were members of Operation 40. (16)

It has been argued that people like Fabian Escalante, Jean Guy Allard, Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo are under the control of the Cuban government. It is definitely true that much of this information has originally been published in Granma, the newspaper of the Cuban Communist Party.

Is there any other evidence to suggest that members of Operation 40 were involved in the assassination? I believe that there are several pieces of evidence that help to substantiate Escalante’s theory.

Shortly before his death in 1975 John Martino confessed to a Miami Newsday reporter, John Cummings, that he had been guilty of spreading false stories implicating Lee Harvey Oswald in the assassination of Kennedy. He claimed that two of the gunmen were Cuban exiles. It is believed the two men were Herminio Diaz Garcia and Virgilio Gonzalez. Cummings added: "He told me he'd been part of the assassination of Kennedy. He wasn't in Dallas pulling a trigger, but he was involved. He implied that his role was delivering money, facilitating things.... He asked me not to write it while he was alive." (17)

Fred Claasen also told the House Select Committee on Assassinations what he knew about his business partner’s involvement in the case. He claimed Martino told him: “The anti-Castro people put Oswald together. Oswald didn’t know who he was working for – he was just ignorant of who was really putting him together. Oswald was to meet his contact at the Texas Theatre. They were to meet Oswald in the theatre, and get him out of the country, then eliminate him. Oswald made a mistake… There was no way we could get to him. They had Ruby kill him.” (18)

Florence Martino at first refused to corroborate the story. However, in 1994 she told Anthony Summers that her husband said to her on the morning of 22nd November, 1963: "Flo, they're going to kill him (Kennedy). They're going to kill him when he gets to Texas." (19)

Herminio Diaz Garcia and Virgilio Gonzalez were both members of Operation 40. So also was Rip Robertson who according to Anthony Summers “was a familiar face at his (John Martino) home. Summers also points out that Martino was close to William Pawley and both took part in the “Bayo-Pawley Affair”. (20) This anti-Castro mission, also known as Operation Tilt, also involved other members of Operation 40, including Virgilio Gonzalez and Eugenio Martinez.

There is another key CIA figure in Operation 40 who has made a confession concerning the assassination of John Kennedy. David Morales was head of operations at JM/WAVE, the CIA Miami station, at the time of the assassination. Gaeton Fonzi carried out a full investigation of Morales while working for the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). Unfortunately, Morales could not testify before the HSCA because he died of a heart attack on 8th May, 1978.

Fonzi tracked down Ruben Carbajal, a very close friend of Morales. Carbajal saw Morales the night before he died. He also visited Morales in hospital when he received news of the heart attack. Carbajal is convinced that Morales was killed by the CIA. Morales had told Carbajal the agency would do this if you posed a threat to covert operations. Morales, a heavy drinker, had a reputation for being indiscreet when intoxicated. On 4th August 1973, Morales allowed himself to be photographed by Kevin Scofield of the Arizona Republic at the El Molino restaurant. When the photograph appeared in the newspaper the following day, it identified Morales as Director for Operations Counterinsurgency and Special Activities in Washington.

Carbajal put Fonzi in contact with Bob Walton, a business associate of Morales. Walton confirmed Carbajal’s account that Morales feared being killed by the CIA. On one occasion he told him: “I know too much”.

Walton also told him about a discussion he had with Morales about John F. Kennedy in the spring of 1973. Walton had done some volunteer work for Kennedy’s Senatorial campaign. When hearing this news, Morales launched an attack on Kennedy, describing him as a wimp who had betrayed the anti-Castro Cubans at the Bay of Pigs. He ended up by saying: “Well, we took care of that son of a bitch, didn’t we?” Carbajal, who was also present at this meeting, confirmed Walton’s account of what Morales said. (21)

Another important piece of evidence comes from Gene Wheaton. In 1995 Gene Wheaton approached the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) with information on the death of Kennedy. Anne Buttimer, Chief Investigator of the ARRB, recorded that: " Wheaton told me that from 1984 to 1987 he spent a lot of time in the Washington DC area and that starting in 1985 he was "recruited into Ollie North's network" by the CIA officer he has information about. He got to know this man and his wife, a "'super grade high level CIA officer" and kept a bedroom in their Virginia home. His friend was a Marine Corps liaison in New Orleans and was the CIA contact with Carlos Marcello. He had been responsible for "running people into Cuba before the Bay of Pigs." His friend is now 68 or 69 years of age... Over the course of a year or a year and one-half his friend told him about his activities with training Cuban insurgency groups. Wheaton said he also got to know many of the Cubans who had been his friend's soldiers/operatives when the Cubans visited in Virginia from their homes in Miami. His friend and the Cubans confirmed to Wheaton they assassinated JFK. Wheaton's friend said he trained the Cubans who pulled the triggers. Wheaton said the street level Cubans felt JFK was a traitor after the Bay of Pigs and wanted to kill him. People "above the Cubans" wanted JFK killed for other reasons." (22)

It was later revealed that Wheaton's friend was Carl E. Jenkins, A senior CIA officer, Jenkins had been appointed in 1960 as Chief of Base for Cuban Project. In 1963 Jenkins provided paramilitary training for Manuel Artime and Rafael ‘Chi Chi’ Quintero and other members of the Movement for the Recovery of the Revolution (MRR). In an interview with William Law and Mark Sobel in the summer of 2005, Gene Wheaton claimed that Jenkins and Quintero were both involved in the assassination of Kennedy.

It seems that members of Operation 40, originally recruited to remove Fidel Castro, had been redirected to kill Kennedy. That someone had paid this team of assassins to kill the president of the United States as part of a freelance operation. This is not such a far-fetched idea when you consider that in 1959 Richard Nixon was approaching oilmen like George Walker Bush and Jack Crichton to help fund Operation 40. We also have the claim of Frank Sturgis that "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents."

Further support for this theory comes from an unlikely source. David Atlee Phillips died of cancer on 7th July, 1988. He left behind an unpublished manuscript. The novel is about a CIA officer who lived in Mexico City. In the novel the character states: "I was one of those officers who handled Lee Harvey Oswald... We gave him the mission of killing Fidel Castro in Cuba... I don't know why he killed Kennedy. But I do know he used precisely the plan we had devised against Castro. Thus the CIA did not anticipate the president's assassination, but it was responsible for it. I share that guilt." (23)

Notes

1. Gaeton Fonzi, The Last Investigation, 1993 (pages 366-371)

2. Warren Hinckle & William Turner, Deadly Secrets, 1992 (page 53)

3. Senate Report, Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders, 1975 (page 92)

4. Fabian Escalante, CIA Covert Operations 1959-1962: The Cuba Project, 2004 (pages 42 and 43)

5. Common Cause Magazine (4th March, 1990)

6. The Nation magazine (13th August, 1988)

7. Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo, Granma (16th January, 2006)

8. Daniel Hopsicker, Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob and America’s Secret History, 2001 (page 170)

9. Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, 2004 (page 173)

10. Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo, Granma (16th January, 2006)

11. Fabian Escalante, CIA Covert Operations 1959-1962: The Cuba Project, 2004 (pages 42 and 43)

12. Daniel Hopsicker, Mad Cow Morning News (24th August, 2004)

13. Jean-Guy Allard, Granma (22nd May, 2005)

14. Arthur Schlesinger, memo to Richard Goodwin (9th June, 1961)

15. Jean-Guy Allard, Granma (22nd May, 2005)

16. Fabian Escalante, Centre for International Policy, Nassau, Bahamas (7th December, 1995)

17. Larry Hancock, Someone Would Have Talked, 2003 (page 17)

18. Anthony Summers, The Kennedy Conspiracy, 2002 (page 328)

19. Anthony and Robbyn Summers, The Ghosts of November, Vanity Fair (December, 1994)

20. Anthony Summers, The Kennedy Conspiracy, 2002 (page 326)

21. Gaeton Fonzi, The Last Investigation, 1993 (pages 380-390)

22. Anne Buttimer, Assassination Records Review Board Report (12th July, 1995)

23. Anthony Summers, The Kennedy Conspiracy, 2002 (page 371)

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To me it is very simple... Congress should exercise their obligation to the American people and call certain people to the floor of Congress before they are too old or passed away and get to the truth of the JFK Assassination. I could provide first hand information on what CIA instructors at the JFKCSW Special Forces Officer' course in the Spring of 1964 regarding number of mafia personnel from US mafia and Corsican mafia used in Dallas that day. I could rellate first hand knowledge of the CIA's asking me to kill LCDR William Bruce Pitzer in Aug of 1965 .. why I accepted and then refused and why. Also why the CIA wanted Pitzer killed.

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Dear Dangerous Dan:

I suggest that find a good attorney and make a sworn deposition of your

remembrances. Then file it in a public record somewhere, or several

venues.

There are several attorneys who are also JFK researchers who would likely

do this for you pro bono.

I am particularly interested in the CIA TRAINING FILM you say you saw

of the assassination which WAS NOT THE ZAPRUDER FILM.

Jack

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Good Day Jack.... I positively agree

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John,

It has been almost seven years since you started this thread. Would you make any changes

or additions to your comments based upon your research/discoveries since then?

I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread where we vote and speculate on who killed JFK.

I will start the ball by suggesting the Military Industrial Complex. The operation was a complete success and the group achieved all its objectives. This includes the cover up that involved the implication of several groups and individuals in the plot. One reason for this was to guarantee the help of these individuals and groups in the cover up. This involved implicating LBJ, the CIA, the FBI and the Secret Service. It also involved implicating the Kennedy brothers in other terrible events. This ensured that the Kennedy family and its close associates joined in the cover up. This cover up included both the Warren Commission and the House Select Committee of Assassinations (this involved a change in tactics with the finger now being pointed at the Mafia).

It also included a far more sinister cover up that will have long term implications for the history of the world. I believe that the CIA and FBI were involved in destroying a large number of documents relating to the assassination in November/December, 1963. These were replaced with false documents that have yet to be released. These documents will only become available when all those who are referred to are dead. These documents, because of the fact they have been held back, will be believed to be genuine. They will do two things: (1) They will show that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman. (2) They will link the Kennedy brothers with a series of crimes and wrongdoings, including the murder of Marilyn Monroe. Others smeared will be those associated with what the Military Industrial Complex would refer to as dangerous radicals (Martin Luther King, etc.)

I believe that the people behind the assassination were representatives of what Eisenhower called the Military Industrial Complex. The main objective was to ensure the continuance of the Cold War. To achieve this they had the convince the American public that they faced a real communist threat. The presence of a revolutionary communist government on its doorstep (Cuba) was permanent evidence of this. So also was the presence of WMD in the Soviet Union and China. As in Iraq, we now know the CIA and MI5 exaggerated this threat.

Therefore we have to identify the representatives of the Military Industrial Complex in the government. Their main man was John McCone, Director of the CIA. That is not to say that the assassination of JFK was a CIA operation (although it did use a CIA agent, David Morales, to organize the assassination).

McCone is a classical case of a representative of the Military Industrial Complex. The owner of a small engineering company before the war, between 1942-45 his new company, California Shipbuilding, made $44 million in profits from an investment of $100,000.

After the war McCone was brought into the government and served as Deputy to the Secretary of Defense (1948) and Under Secretary of the Air Force (1950-1951). What did he know about these matters? Only that it was in the best interests of MIC to spend increasing amounts of money on the arms trade. McCone was an ardent Cold War warrior and in 1956 attacked the suggestion made by Adlai Stevenson that there should be a nuclear test ban. McCone accused American scientists of being "taken in" by Soviet propaganda and of attempting to "create fear in the minds of the uninformed that radioactive fallout from H-bomb tests endangers life." Read that quote again if you did not get it the first time. Now that is what I call disinformation.

In 1958 Eisenhower appointed McCone as Chairman of the Atomic Energy commission. After the Bay of Pigs disaster, President John F. Kennedy sacked Allen W. Dulles as Director of the CIA. Under pressure from right-wingers in the intelligence community, Kennedy appointed McCone as the new director.

Morales was put in charge of the assassination. He employed people he had been working with in Miami to undermine the government of Cuba. This included figures in the ant-Castro Cuban community. It also involved American military advisers to groups like Alpha 66. The Cubans believed that the reason for this plot was that after the assassination of JFK, LBJ would order the invasion of Cuba. In fact, this was never the objective. It was part of the overall conspiracy to keep Castro in power. The presence of a communist state so close to the United States helped to reinforce the communist threat and the need for massive arms spending.

The Cubans would obviously feel betrayed when they realised Castro would not be toppled. Those Cubans who knew anything about the assassination had to be got rid of. Soon after the assassination most of this group were sent on a mission to kill Castro and create a reason for the United States to invade Cuba. This group was betrayed to the Cuban Secret Service. As a result they were executed in Cuba. A few Cubans remained. Some of these were the victims of hit men (who had no idea why they were killing them).

I believe one or two of these survived. They, like me, took out an insurance policy. They recorded what they knew about the case and placed the information with lawyers, solicitors, etc. These documents, tapes, etc. were only to be released in event of their dying in suspicious circumstances. These people have become untouchable. They are the only ones who will ever be able to provide any hard evidence of this conspiracy. Even if they do talk, they will only have evidence of a small part of the plot. No one will have information that implicates anyone higher than Morales. The conspiracy was a complete success. Or can we fight back?

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John,

It has been almost seven years since you started this thread. Would you make any changes

or additions to your comments based upon your research/discoveries since then?

I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread where we vote and speculate on who killed JFK.

I will start the ball by suggesting the Military Industrial Complex. The operation was a complete success and the group achieved all its objectives. This includes the cover up that involved the implication of several groups and individuals in the plot. One reason for this was to guarantee the help of these individuals and groups in the cover up. This involved implicating LBJ, the CIA, the FBI and the Secret Service. It also involved implicating the Kennedy brothers in other terrible events. This ensured that the Kennedy family and its close associates joined in the cover up. This cover up included both the Warren Commission and the House Select Committee of Assassinations (this involved a change in tactics with the finger now being pointed at the Mafia).

It also included a far more sinister cover up that will have long term implications for the history of the world. I believe that the CIA and FBI were involved in destroying a large number of documents relating to the assassination in November/December, 1963. These were replaced with false documents that have yet to be released. These documents will only become available when all those who are referred to are dead. These documents, because of the fact they have been held back, will be believed to be genuine. They will do two things: (1) They will show that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman. (2) They will link the Kennedy brothers with a series of crimes and wrongdoings, including the murder of Marilyn Monroe. Others smeared will be those associated with what the Military Industrial Complex would refer to as dangerous radicals (Martin Luther King, etc.)

I believe that the people behind the assassination were representatives of what Eisenhower called the Military Industrial Complex. The main objective was to ensure the continuance of the Cold War. To achieve this they had the convince the American public that they faced a real communist threat. The presence of a revolutionary communist government on its doorstep (Cuba) was permanent evidence of this. So also was the presence of WMD in the Soviet Union and China. As in Iraq, we now know the CIA and MI5 exaggerated this threat.

Therefore we have to identify the representatives of the Military Industrial Complex in the government. Their main man was John McCone, Director of the CIA. That is not to say that the assassination of JFK was a CIA operation (although it did use a CIA agent, David Morales, to organize the assassination).

McCone is a classical case of a representative of the Military Industrial Complex. The owner of a small engineering company before the war, between 1942-45 his new company, California Shipbuilding, made $44 million in profits from an investment of $100,000.

After the war McCone was brought into the government and served as Deputy to the Secretary of Defense (1948) and Under Secretary of the Air Force (1950-1951). What did he know about these matters? Only that it was in the best interests of MIC to spend increasing amounts of money on the arms trade. McCone was an ardent Cold War warrior and in 1956 attacked the suggestion made by Adlai Stevenson that there should be a nuclear test ban. McCone accused American scientists of being "taken in" by Soviet propaganda and of attempting to "create fear in the minds of the uninformed that radioactive fallout from H-bomb tests endangers life." Read that quote again if you did not get it the first time. Now that is what I call disinformation.

In 1958 Eisenhower appointed McCone as Chairman of the Atomic Energy commission. After the Bay of Pigs disaster, President John F. Kennedy sacked Allen W. Dulles as Director of the CIA. Under pressure from right-wingers in the intelligence community, Kennedy appointed McCone as the new director.

Morales was put in charge of the assassination. He employed people he had been working with in Miami to undermine the government of Cuba. This included figures in the ant-Castro Cuban community. It also involved American military advisers to groups like Alpha 66. The Cubans believed that the reason for this plot was that after the assassination of JFK, LBJ would order the invasion of Cuba. In fact, this was never the objective. It was part of the overall conspiracy to keep Castro in power. The presence of a communist state so close to the United States helped to reinforce the communist threat and the need for massive arms spending.

The Cubans would obviously feel betrayed when they realised Castro would not be toppled. Those Cubans who knew anything about the assassination had to be got rid of. Soon after the assassination most of this group were sent on a mission to kill Castro and create a reason for the United States to invade Cuba. This group was betrayed to the Cuban Secret Service. As a result they were executed in Cuba. A few Cubans remained. Some of these were the victims of hit men (who had no idea why they were killing them).

I believe one or two of these survived. They, like me, took out an insurance policy. They recorded what they knew about the case and placed the information with lawyers, solicitors, etc. These documents, tapes, etc. were only to be released in event of their dying in suspicious circumstances. These people have become untouchable. They are the only ones who will ever be able to provide any hard evidence of this conspiracy. Even if they do talk, they will only have evidence of a small part of the plot. No one will have information that implicates anyone higher than Morales. The conspiracy was a complete success. Or can we fight back?

I basically still support this theory. I now know more about the people who carried out the assassination. According to the evidence of Gene Wheaton, Carl E. Jenkins and Chi Chi Quintero were both involved in the killing of JFK.

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"The Cubans would obviously feel betrayed when they realised Castro would not be toppled. Those Cubans who knew anything about the assassination had to be got rid of. Soon after the assassination most of this group were sent on a mission to kill Castro and create a reason for the United States to invade Cuba. This group was betrayed to the Cuban Secret Service. As a result they were executed in Cuba. A few Cubans remained. Some of these were the victims of hit men (who had no idea why they were killing them).

I believe one or two of these survived. They, like me, took out an insurance policy. They recorded what they knew about the case and placed the information with lawyers, solicitors, etc. These documents, tapes, etc. were only to be released in event of their dying in suspicious circumstances. These people have become untouchable. They are the only ones who will ever be able to provide any hard evidence of this conspiracy. Even if they do talk, they will only have evidence of a small part of the plot. No one will have information that implicates anyone higher than Morales. The conspiracy was a complete success. Or can we fight back?"

I basically still support this theory. I now know more about the people who carried out the assassination. According to the evidence of Gene Wheaton, Carl E. Jenkins and Chi Chi Quintero were both involved in the killing of JFK.

Members interested in reading about the evidence provided by Gene Wheaton can do so here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5485

The Forum index is also an excellent tool for reading about Jenkins and Quintero: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4311

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I wonder if one person X stood here? Is there a tunnel of opportunity for avoiding collateral damage?

edit add : the iv's are a representation of hypothesised impulse vectors, which must be balanced by tourque forces and momentum, inertia and other forces.

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Reading the answers here gives me clear associations to the murder of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, back in 1986. Few people eventually lacked a theory of their own. Everything from the kurds, the police force, the south africans, the middle easterners (Palme was a UN piece representative during the Iran - Irak war). To name a few of these "significant and world politics" possibilities. Another similarity, although Palme certainly cannot be measured by the same standards as any US president; Palme was much larger than the country he represented in world politics.

Therefore, a much discussed view is that such an "important man" cannot, must not, have been murdered by someone as insignificant as the drunken bum that first got convicted and later, on appeal, acquitted. This crime is still not resolved.

Is it, perhaps, too hard to imagine for the normal human mind that such a thing could occur - that we want to remember our leaders in a light which is not tainted and ended by "nobodys'"?

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most everybody must reconise that jfk was going to pull our troops out of vietnam by the end of 1965 so on that think about it big busness was going to suffer from this so it was a combination of big busness,cia,lbj,cabell,hoover,anti castro cuban's,mafia and other sources that will never be known to the people jfk was going to stop all the money flow for most of these people or had been the product of a lie jfk never said he would send air support for the bay of pigs but the people that was involved were told he would send support

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After looking at the evidence that matters it's pretty clear to me that Oswald shot Kennedy & Conally from the TSBD 6th floor window and then a little later he shot Officer Tippit in cold blood on a city street , after that he pulled his gun on more cops in the theatre during his arrest. Fortunately the policemen there were able to disarm him before more shots were fired and fortunately Conally lived , the other two were not so lucky. Oswald was a pure animal with no conscience or regard for human life. I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation , the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

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After looking at the evidence that matters it's pretty clear to me that Oswald shot Kennedy & Conally from the TSBD 6th floor window and then a little later he shot Officer Tippit in cold blood on a city street , after that he pulled his gun on more cops in the theatre during his arrest. Fortunately the policemen there were able to disarm him before more shots were fired and fortunately Conally lived , the other two were not so lucky. Oswald was a pure animal with no conscience or regard for human life. I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation , the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

Hi Mark,

You say "Oswald was a pure animal with no conscience or regard for human life."

Since you didn't know the man, and you base your profile of him on what you have read and saw in Dale Myers' presentations, can you give me some examples of Oswald's "pure animal" behavior and "no regard for human life" as I have been looking for evidence that he was really such a person and can't seem to find any examples at all.

If you have based your opinion of Oswald stictly on the work of Myers, then you are badly misinformed.

Do you think Ruth Paine, the quite Quaker would allow Oswald to stay at her home if she didn't know him and believe that was a good person?

In addition, if Oswald was the lone assassin, and the single bullet theory is correct, and he also killed Tippit, what prevents him from being a well trained and smooth operating covert agent, as his background implies, "rather than demented animal with no regard for human life"?

If Oswald was such a pure animal with no regard for human life, why didn't he just kill anybody?

Thanks for thinking about this,

Bill Kelly

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I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation, the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

If you need only to "watch the Z-film to determine this" as you claim, then why do you need to cite an animation of the crime by Dale Myers to bolster your assertion?

Your statements are blatantly self-impeaching, contradictory, and borderline psychotic.

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I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation, the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

If you need only to "watch the Z-film to determine this" as you claim, then why do you need to cite an animation of the crime by Dale Myers to bolster your assertion?

Your statements are blatantly self-impeaching, contradictory, and borderline psychotic.

Oh well, not here to argue. I was just answering the poll question, only animals kill the way Oswald did that day.

On the SBT I was just saying that Dale Meyers made a nice graphic to illustrate the probability of the SBT, he did a good job on it but its not needed to determine the SBT. As it's pretty obvious in the Z film what happened, how often do you get actual film footage of a crime taking place especially in 1963, yet many people argue against them getting shot when they did, it's pretty funny to me that people deny the SBT when they have a film of it happening.

I feel if you are not able to look at that film and tell that two men are being shot at the same time then you aren't much of a detective and I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing the case with people that can't at least see the obvious when its on film.. It's sort of a litmus test that I use to tell if someone is actually looking for the truth in the case or if they are just a conspiracy nut.

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I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation, the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

If you need only to "watch the Z-film to determine this" as you claim, then why do you need to cite an animation of the crime by Dale Myers to bolster your assertion?

Your statements are blatantly self-impeaching, contradictory, and borderline psychotic.

Oh well, not here to argue. I was just answering the poll question, only animals kill the way Oswald did that day.

On the SBT I was just saying that Dale Meyers made a nice graphic to illustrate the probability of the SBT, he did a good job on it but its not needed to determine the SBT. As it's pretty obvious in the Z film what happened, how often do you get actual film footage of a crime taking place especially in 1963, yet many people argue against them getting shot when they did, it's pretty funny to me that people deny the SBT when they have a film of it happening.

I feel if you are not able to look at that film and tell that two men are being shot at the same time then you aren't much of a detective and I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing the case with people that can't at least see the obvious when its on film.. It's sort of a litmus test that I use to tell if someone is actually looking for the truth in the case or if they are just a conspiracy nut.

Hey Mark, you ignore my question. What kind of animal was Oswald? If he shot the President with a high powered rifle from the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest, what kind of animal was he?

If you look at other, similar situations where people were assassinated or attempted to be assassinated by snipers, you have case studies of murders that were well pllanned out in advance and were acomplished by well trained and executed assassins, like Bugsy Siegal and the Jackal's attempt on Charles DeGaulle. If you can give me ONE example of a lone crazy nut case sniping a major politician with a rifle from a distance, I'd like to hear about it.

Even the DC Sniper had an acomplice, and the Texas Tower killer both had military backgrounds, though they were clearly nuts and shot at anybody, not the President.

If Oswald killed the President of the USA as he is alledged to have done, he wasn't a deranged, lone nut case, but a well trained and excellent, succesful assassin.

You're attempt to portray him as a "pure animal with no conscience" misscasts him as the wrong animal. He did have a conscience and was not just acting on pure animal instincts, or when he "snapped," as Gary Mack puts it, he would have killed anyone, not just the president and a cop who got in his way, after the fact.

If he did what you say he did, he was a smooth, successful Cat, and not a disjointed nut case.

Unless you can demonstrate that such nut cases kill presidents as snipers.

Bill Kelly

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I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation, the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

If you need only to "watch the Z-film to determine this" as you claim, then why do you need to cite an animation of the crime by Dale Myers to bolster your assertion?

Your statements are blatantly self-impeaching, contradictory, and borderline psychotic.

Oh well, not here to argue. I was just answering the poll question, only animals kill the way Oswald did that day.

On the SBT I was just saying that Dale Meyers made a nice graphic to illustrate the probability of the SBT, he did a good job on it but its not needed to determine the SBT. As it's pretty obvious in the Z film what happened, how often do you get actual film footage of a crime taking place especially in 1963, yet many people argue against them getting shot when they did, it's pretty funny to me that people deny the SBT when they have a film of it happening.

I feel if you are not able to look at that film and tell that two men are being shot at the same time then you aren't much of a detective and I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing the case with people that can't at least see the obvious when its on film.. It's sort of a litmus test that I use to tell if someone is actually looking for the truth in the case or if they are just a conspiracy nut.

Hey Mark, you ignore my question. What kind of animal was Oswald? If he shot the President with a high powered rifle from the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest, what kind of animal was he?

If you look at other, similar situations where people were assassinated or attempted to be assassinated by snipers, you have case studies of murders that were well pllanned out in advance and were acomplished by well trained and executed assassins, like Bugsy Siegal and the Jackal's attempt on Charles DeGaulle. If you can give me ONE example of a lone crazy nut case sniping a major politician with a rifle from a distance, I'd like to hear about it.

Even the DC Sniper had an acomplice, and the Texas Tower killer both had military backgrounds, though they were clearly nuts and shot at anybody, not the President.

If Oswald killed the President of the USA as he is alledged to have done, he wasn't a deranged, lone nut case, but a well trained and excellent, succesful assassin.

You're attempt to portray him as a "pure animal with no conscience" misscasts him as the wrong animal. He did have a conscience and was not just acting on pure animal instincts, or when he "snapped," as Gary Mack puts it, he would have killed anyone, not just the president and a cop who got in his way, after the fact.

If he did what you say he did, he was a smooth, successful Cat, and not a disjointed nut case.

Unless you can demonstrate that such nut cases kill presidents as snipers.

Bill Kelly

I refer to his actions as that of an animal, shooting three people and killing two of them and then attempting to shoot more in the theatre I say animal, you say not , thats fine we don't have to agree on that, it doesn't matter what we call him. It has nothing to do with is innocence or guilt in the case.

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