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William, I spend a great deal of time on Masen, Nonte and the overall gun running sting by Ellesworth in my book. And I agree there is a case to be made that Ruby may well have been involved in a minor gun deal with some weapons stolen from a Natl Guard storage building. I present as much evidence as I could dig up for that in the book.

The case in regard to Nonte gets much more complex because Ellsworth did not realize that Nonte had gone to military intel on his first appraoch from Masen about gun sales (they two were actually going into business with another man in a black powder business). MI turned it over to the FBI and the FBI was using Nonte in a sting against Masen at the same time Ellesworth was running his sting on Masen - but of course the FBI never tells anybody about such things so he was in the dark.

Anyway, the FBI documents on this one are very comprehensive and all the documents are on the CD.

Perhaps the most incirminating evidence bringing Ruby into it is a travelers check frome one of the army guys at the facility where the guns were stolen, the timing is ideal for it to be a pay off and it went through Ruby at the Carousel.

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Larry,

Sorry to be Hall-centric lately <G> but I was just looking over a few docs and there is an interesting letter from Wiley Yates to Jim Garrison (June 28, 1967). Yates goes on to say: "He (Loran Hall) suggested to me in subsequent conversations that I help him to raid a National Guard armory to obtain the sorely needed weapons and ammunition. This I declined to do, so that he dropped the subject and never referred to it again."

And "Accoring to Hall some man had given the Cubans permission to use his farm for a training site in the Dallas arear, and he (Hall) wanted me to help instruct the men in the first aid practices with with I was familiar."

And "Hall spoke fluent Spanish and was supposed to be a personal friend of the Cuban leader Manolo Rey. During the time at our home, Hal made a great show of writing Rey about activities then under way in Dallas..."

"Hall left after mentioning that he was traveling regularly between Florida and California, through both New Orelans and Dallas areas, and would contact me again."

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A most interesting letter Dave, that one is really going to make me think. Do we have any sign of whether or not Hall was really known to or in regular communication with Rey? Seems sort of unusual politics for the ultra right wing Hall to be tight with the more left leaning Rey?

Of course Hall was quite a "talker", no doubt about that. On another side note, other than the trailer load of weapons that Howard helped him score in California, any other indications that Hall had ever managed to obtain any quantities of weapons.

And by the way, I would be totally open to the idea that Hall was planning on dropping the weapons off in Dallas for Masen to convert to full auto.

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Larry,

Hall mentioned in his 1968 interview with Harold Weisberg that he manged to get 250 BARS to Isla Majelis in Mexico. It's a small island just off the coast. Looks like a nice staging area for a raid on Cuba. He also hinted at raids of National Guard amories for weapons. Maybe he was just bragging as he was known to do.

He did manage to get the trailor of weapons and Manual Aguliar's boat, the Pitusa, confiscated. Aguliar was pissed at Hall and later told Garrison's investigator that he liked Howard and Seymour much better.

Dave

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I also think there are at least 4 living participants - men who were directly involved with the Dealey Plaza operation. Why are they still alive? Two work for the CIA (actual employees), another now works for the DEA (still operational) and is based in Chile, and the other successfully went underground and is a consultant for mercenary companies.

I assume you have evidence to support this view. If so, is it based on their confessions? In the past I have been very wary of accepting confessions as evidence as they appear to have been given in order to obtain some financial reward. It has not helped that they are often criminals unlikely to be released from prison. If they have confessed to you, why do you believe them?

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I assume you have evidence to support this view. If so, is it based on their confessions? In the past I have been very wary of accepting confessions as evidence as they appear to have been given in order to obtain some financial reward. It has not helped that they are often criminals unlikely to be released from prison. If they have confessed to you, why do you believe them?

John,

It seems the only one you can be referring too here, is James Files. If so, why dont you say so? I do not know of any other prisoners, who are unlikely to be released and have made a confession of involvement in the JFK assassination. You state about these confessions that they appear "to have been given in order to obtain some financial reward". Can you offer backup for such a statement, if indeed you were referring to Files?

Wim

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I assume you have evidence to support this view. If so, is it based on their confessions? In the past I have been very wary of accepting confessions as evidence as they appear to have been given in order to obtain some financial reward. It has not helped that they are often criminals unlikely to be released from prison. If they have confessed to you, why do you believe them?

Hi John,

Let me make it clear that I have never communicated with James Files or do I believe he was a shooter.

However, for many years, I have been in contact with 2 individuals who may have had something to do with the events of November 22, 1963. These men do not wish publicity and they have far from confessed. Over the years and believe me, it has taken many many years to piece the fragments of information together and to form a rough outline of what possibly went down. It has been a frustrating process which has included many a dead end.

I have no plans to try and convince anyone of who did what from where. I have no plans to write a book or present an expose. I must stress that anything I post at any forum is my opinion only. I try to state this as much as possible and it is up to the individual members to accept or reject what they wish.

Respectfully,

James

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Let me make it clear that I have never communicated with James Files or do I believe he was a shooter.

However, for many years, I have been in contact with 2 individuals who may have had something to do with the events of November 22, 1963. These men do not wish publicity and they have far from confessed. Over the years and believe me, it has taken many many years to piece the fragments of information together and to form a rough outline of what possibly went down. It has been a frustrating process which has included many a dead end.

I have no plans to try and convince anyone of who did what from where. I have no plans to write a book or present an expose. I must stress that anything I post at any forum is my opinion only. I try to state this as much as possible and it is up to the individual members to accept or reject what they wish.

Interesting posting. I fully understand your reluctance to name names. However, is there any chance of you speculating about what happened in Dallas. I am especially interested in the organizations involved. For example, there seem to be several possible groups involved in this plot to kill JFK.

(1) anti-Castro groups based in Miami (Alpha 66, etc.)

(2) people close to LBJ (George Smathers, Bobby Baker, Fred Black, Mac Wallace, etc.).

(3) rogue agents in the CIA (David Morales, David Phillips, William Harvey, etc.)

(4) senior figures in the FBI (J. Edgar Hoover, Alan Belmont, William Sullivan, etc.)

(5) a right-wing group (INCA, John Birch Society, etc.)

(6) a pro-Castro left-wing group (Oswald, American Communist Party, etc.)

(7) the Mafia (Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante).

I tend to favour the first three options. Do your informants implicate any of the above (or any other group).

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(1) anti-Castro groups based in Miami (Alpha 66, etc.)

Not directly as organizations. Individuals like Manuel Orcarberrio who ran the Dallas Chapter of Alpha 66 I believe was in place to provide logistical support for Felipe Vidal Santiago when he was in Dallas. There may also have been runners used from anti-Castro organizations but they would have been on a need to know. I'm sure after the assassination, many figured out that they may have played a small role and decided to make themselves scarce.

(2) people close to LBJ (George Smathers, Bobby Baker, Fred Black, Mac Wallace, etc.).

LBJ cronies most likely played a part in the cover-up. I hold the belief that the assassination itself and the cover-up were two different things. I also believe what the plotters were hoping to get out of the assassination did not come to fruition.

If Wallace was present on the 6th floor of the TSBD, then he was most likely recruited as part of an operating cell that needed to be managed just like all the others. He would not have been included for his ability as a hitman as at best his past exploits in that area were sloppy to say the least. I'm sure Wallace was there to tie Johnson into events if Johnson decided to turn on the plotters themselves. If Johnson was going to take the top job as a result of Kennedy's demise then I'm sure he needed to bring something to the table, even inadvertently. I do not believe Wallace fired a shot that day.

(3) rogue agents in the CIA (David Morales, David Phillips, William Harvey, etc.)

I think David Morales was the one who put together the Dealey Plaza operating cells via the use of cutouts. I don't think Phillips had any direct operational imput but he may have played a part in shuffling Oswald around. Harvey I don't think was directly involved but I'm sure he knew what was happening. Who the controlling elements above Morales were, I can only guess at.

(4) senior figures in the FBI (J. Edgar Hoover, Alan Belmont, William Sullivan, etc.)

I think their roles were more in the cover-up. I'm sure the FBI knew something was up in the days leading up to the assassination. Chatter amongst the prominent exiles for example was evident so I'm sure the FBI were also aware of impending danger.

(5) a right-wing group (INCA, John Birch Society, etc.)

There may have been plots in the wind for these groups but I don't think they came into play for Dallas.

(6) a pro-Castro left-wing group (Oswald, American Communist Party, etc.)

I don't think so.

(7) the Mafia (Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante).

I'm sure there was Mafia involvement which came via John Roselli. One of the shooters (Herminio Diaz Garcia) may have come via this connection. Diaz Garcia was Trafficante's bodyguard during the Havana casino days and was most likely the man Roselli reached out to in those early days of the Castro assassination plots.

The Mafia may also have provided some actors for Dealey Plaza in the name of Harrelson and Braden.

I tend to favour the first three options. Do your informants implicate any of the above (or any other group).

I am reluctant to call these people informants as they have never actually informed. Communication has always been in the form of discussion and how they felt about the various government agencies. I don't think one individual group was responsible for what happened in Dealey Plaza but a cross section of players who wanted an invasion of Cuba as the final result.

The plot itself I don't believe was all that complicated but the cover-up, now that's a different kettle of fish.

IMO of course.

James

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Great posting James. Fascinating idea about the successful attempt to implicate LBJ in the plot. I had never thought about that but it makes sense as it guarantees that LBJ participates in the cover-up.

However, I don’t believe that business about LBJ’s objective was to prevent a nuclear war. Sure, that is what he says on the tapes. We have to ask ourselves why these tapes were kept and donated to the LBJ library. The vast majority of his tapes were erased (especially those that involved conversations with Abe Fortas). It seems to me that LBJ was attempting to promote a certain picture of himself for posterity. This involved having to leave in information that he was corrupt. However, the message is he was corrupt for the good of the country: for example, he did not tell the public who was responsible for the assassination of JFK in order to avoid a nuclear war. Yet, his actions, before and after Hoover told him there had been a communist conspiracy, suggest that he knew all along this was not true. At a very early stage, possibly before the event, LBJ knew who was behind the assassination.

I agree that we will never know who employed Morales to organize the assassination of JFK. However, we can speculate. First we need to identify the motive. Unlike you I believe that the plotters did obtain their main objective. The main objective was not to get America to invade Cuba. In fact, by 1963, the plotters realised that they actually wanted Castro to remain in power in Cuba. This actually helped their agenda.

I believe that the people behind the assassination were representatives of what Eisenhower called the Military Industrial Complex. The main objective was to ensure the continuance of the Cold War. To achieve that they had the convince the American public that they faced a real communist threat. The presence of a revolutionary communist government on its doorstep was permanent evidence of this. So also was the presence of WMD in the Soviet Union and China. As in Iraq, we now know the CIA and MI5 exaggerated this threat.

Therefore we have to identify the representatives of the Military Industrial Complex in the government. Their main man was John McCone, Director of the CIA. That is not to say that the assassination of JFK was a CIA operation (although it did use CIA agents like Morales). Nor do I believe McCone would have been in direct contact with Morales (I agree with you that Phillips was only involved in the cover-up and not the plot itself).

McCone is a classical case of a representative of the Military Industrial Complex. The owner of a small engineering company before the war, between 1942-45 his new company, California Shipbuilding, made $44 million in profits from an investment of $100,000.

After the war McCone was brought into the government and served as Deputy to the Secretary of Defense (1948) and Under Secretary of the Air Force (1950-1951). What did he know about these matters? Only that it was in the best interests of MIC to spend increasing amounts of money on the arms trade. McCone was an ardent Cold War warrior and in 1956 attacked the suggestion made by Adlai Stevenson that there should be a nuclear test ban. McCone accused American scientists of being "taken in" by Soviet propaganda and of attempting to "create fear in the minds of the uninformed that radioactive fallout from H-bomb tests endangers life." Read that quote again if you did not get it the first time. Now that is what I call disinformation.

In 1958 Eisenhower appointed McCone as Chairman of the Atomic Energy commission. After the Bay of Pigs disaster, President John F. Kennedy sacked Allen W. Dulles as Director of the CIA. Under pressure from right-wingers in the intelligence community, Kennedy appointed McCone as the new director.

McCone is the link between the assassination and the cover-up. The operation was completely successful. Arms spending continued and the MIC made billions until the fall of communism in 1989. This is when the MIC gets very clever. Their representatives in government manage to maintain these levels of spending by finding other people for the Americans to fear. The real task for researchers is to discover who is the MIC representative in government today. Don’t post your answers in this thread? Do it here:

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Let me make it clear that I have never communicated with James Files or do I believe he was a shooter.

Hi James,

Let me make it clear that I respect your opinions. You have stated your belief that Files is some kind of disinfo asset. I have no problems with disagreement. However I do have a problem with suggestions about Files, like Epstein left, and now John, that Files confessed for some form of financial reward. Why?

Because it has been assured by me and others that he did not. I have listed the reasons as to why Files confessed.

www.jfkmurdersolved.com/filestruth.htm

It seems to me that John chooses not to believe it, in effect branding ME as a xxxx. This puts me in a position where I must defend my honor, which has nothing to do with my "style". Or am I jumping the gun to quickly here?

If not, I would like to to see some citations or backup for the allegation that Files did it for money. Epstein has never been able to provide it. In fact I have flatly accused HIM of lying, an accusation to which he has thusfar offered no defense. Yet, a nationwide NBC program on the confession of James Files was cancelled, based on his input, which I can prove is false.

But as a matter of curiosity, James: What would it take for you to believe that Files was a shooter?

Wim

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Hi James,

Let me make it clear that I respect your opinions. You have stated your belief that Files is some kind of disinfo asset. I have no problems with disagreement. However I do have a problem with suggestions about Files, like Epstein left, and now John, that Files confessed for some form of financial reward. Why?

***Hi Wim,

I have never said that I believe Files confessed for some kind of financial reward, I stated that I didn't believe Files was a shooter. I don't know what his motivations were but I bet they are far more complicated that just seeking financial reward. In prison, certain pressures can be brought to bear on a man like Files. I do not envy his lot in life but I have never met James Files so commenting on why he does what he does is beyond me I'm afraid.

But as a matter of curiosity, James: What would it take for you to believe that Files was a shooter?

***Don't get me wrong, Wim, I do not think that Files is completely innocent. This was a serious guy who did his job well. I also think he may have played a part in some silencing work post assassination. My problem with handing Files the Dealey Plaza assignment is that I can't find a chain of command to get him there. My research has suggested that David Morales was the one who put together the Dealey Plaza teams. If we disagree there then we will never agree on the actual teams.

Like you, I believe Nicoletti was present in Dealey Plaza but I don't think he was positioned in the Dal-Tex or do I think he fired a shot. I believe he was positioned behind the fence with the likes of Harrelson. I believe the Mob connections were sent to Dallas that day as actors but that is pure speculation on my part. Below is a Nicoletti comparison that we have looked at before. Far from convincing I know but food for thought.

To answer your question, I guess I will need more solid connections that puts Files in the company of men like David Morales and Rip Robertson. I know there is John Roselli but like I have said before, I think the Roselli connected man for the hit was Herminio Diaz Garcia who arrived in the United States in July of 1963 and immediately hooked up with Manuel Artime and Eloy Menoyo, and later (about October I think) with Rolando Masferrer.

Respectfully,

James

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I agree that we will never know who employed Morales to organize the assassination of JFK. However, we can speculate. First we need to identify the motive. Unlike you I believe that the plotters did obtain their main objective. The main objective was not to get America to invade Cuba. In fact, by 1963, the plotters realised that they actually wanted Castro to remain in power in Cuba. This actually helped their agenda.

Hi John,

Fascinating thoughts. The Military Industrial Complex I believe is just that, a complex myriad of power that does everything from basic manufacturing to forming policy. Power is built on more power and even more power is forged by money. Amongst the ranks of the MIC are men dedicated to war and armed conflict is the cornerstone of their very existence.

As far as Castro goes, I know that many believed ousting Fidel would only bring to power his brother Raul, who was considered by some to be far more ruthless.

Maybe it should also be considered that the murder of JFK may have been more personal than a purely political assassination and setting up Oswald as an Agent of Castro was a secondary consideration and a subsequent invasion possibly a pleasant by-product. Let's not forget David Morales' drunken rant against Kennedy and his final coment, "well, we took care of that son-of-a-bitch."

For me, if just killing JFK was the primary objective, there were far easier ways of doing it than blowing his head off in an open car while travelling through the streets of a modern American city surrounded by SS and DPD. I draw to your attention the disappearance of Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt in 1967 while swimming alone.

JFK had some vices, he had known health problems and he had been close to death on more than one occasion. Something as simple as slipping in the shower could have been easily sold to the American people given the poor condition of his back.

The killing of John Kennedy was a brutal act, a public demonstration that said anyone could be got at, something I'm sure Lyndon Johnson took note of.

I am also sure that this complicated structure of fragmented power within the MIC played a part in motivating the events of Dallas, by handing the job over to a bitter and misguided patriot like Morales. Who these people were, I have no idea.

I do believe however that war was there ultimate goal and Johnson gave them Vietnam.

Just my opinion of course.

James

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***Hi Wim,

I have never said that I believe Files confessed for some kind of financial reward, I stated that I didn't believe Files was a shooter.

I know that, and I 'm not suggesting you did say that. I was just explaining what itches me.

But as a matter of curiosity, James: What would it take for you to believe that Files was a shooter?

***Don't get me wrong, Wim, I do not think that Files is completely innocent. This was a serious guy who did his job well. I also think he may have played a part in some silencing work post assassination. My problem with handing Files the Dealey Plaza assignment is that I can't find a chain of command to get him there. My research has suggested that David Morales was the one who put together the Dealey Plaza teams. If we disagree there then we will never agree on the actual teams.

In my scenario I have Morales involved too, but as an actual team member, in the TSBD, the one you favor as Hermio Diaz.

Like you, I believe Nicoletti was present in Dealey Plaza but I don't think he was positioned in the Dal-Tex or do I think he fired a shot. I believe he was positioned behind the fence with the likes of Harrelson. I believe the Mob connections were sent to Dallas that day as actors but that is pure speculation on my part. Below is a Nicoletti comparison that we have looked at before. Far from convincing I know but food for thought.

Please send me the separate picture of Charles Nicoletti. I never saw that one. Where did you get it? Or is that classified? Have you tried a comparison with Marshal Caifano?

Wim

To answer your question, I guess I will need more solid connections that puts Files in the company of men like David Morales and Rip Robertson.

Antonio Veciana would be able to verify that. There's another man in jail who could too.

I know there is John Roselli but like I have said before, I think the Roselli connected man for the hit was Herminio Diaz Garcia who arrived in the United States in July of 1963 and immediately hooked up with Manuel Artime and Eloy Menoyo, and later (about October I think) with Rolando Masferrer.

Respectfully,

James

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Please send me the separate picture of Charles Nicoletti. I never saw that one. Where did you get it? Or is that classified? Have you tried a comparison with Marshal Caifano?

Wim,

Here's that shot of Nicoletti for you (see attachment below).

I have considered Caifano but he was too old; he was 52 at the time of the assassination. He was also too short, 5' 5''.

James

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