I'm going to have to ask you once again. This is the fourth time now.
You said that the spectators watching the motorcade in the area adjacent to the switch box did not report seeing anyone that fit Ed Hoffman's description nor did they see the alleged rifle toss.
Please give me the names of these spectators.
I'd appreciate it if you would not refer me to Gary Mack or anyone else. I want the names from you and you alone.
You're the one who brought up these witnesses and what they did not report or see.
Who are they?
If you don't know who they are, then simply say you don't know who they are. That's all I'm asking at this time.
Apparently you were instrumental in affording me & Duke a chance to see Ed's very interesting booklet "Eyewitness."
I have thanked you 3 or 4 times for your assistance.
I, therefore, would like to assist you with your research, but I do not have the time to do the research for you, as I think I pointed out to you before. You will have to do that for yourself from now on.
Hope that's clear.
Now, I think I remember providing you with an affidavit of Oscar McVey. There is dispute as to his location, but he very likely was at the balustrade as seen in the Bell frames.
Don Roberdeau suggests this.
Dodd encountered a Katy RR official at the north end of the Underpass. There is dispute as to his name (Pat Simples has been cited, but without verifiable records), but he was there at Z-313. A lead here, Ken: the records of the Katy will have his name.
As to the published names of the score or so of nearby witnesses who did not see Ed's toss (but who would have seen it, had it occurred), etc., see "Six Seconds in Dallas" & also the plat John got from me to give to Robin Unger to put up on his excellent site & research treasure trove.
Again, Ken, you can look this up for yourself, without further help.
On one point that keeps coming up about someone reported to Seymour Weitzman that he had seen something thrown though a "bush."
This testimony, IF accurate (which is debatable), has no bearing on Ed's story because the contemporaneous photographic evidence shows zero vegetation obstructing the witnesses' view of Ed's alleged rifle toss & disassembly.
If something was seen thrown through a bush (?), it could not have been Ed's rifle, unless the rifle was thrown twice.
OK, Ken, hope this helps out. It's a snap from the plat you can look up for details. Good hunting!
For all Forum members:
Duke said on 7/10/07:
“Ed's book hasn't provided those as yet to my satisfaction. I'll explain later after he's had a reasonable time to respond to my queries.”
My response: Ed is 71 years old at this time and in poor physical health. He had a massive heart attack in 1998, was involved in a head-on auto collision in 1999, and now suffers from diabetes and congestive heart failure. The bad news results of blood work done a little more than three months ago were “off the charts.” 89% of patients with results of that magnitude die within three months. Ed is still hanging in there, but due to his fragile condition, his family will not bring up the subject of assassination threads like this one anymore.
Now for Duke (and Miles, I suppose, by extension).
Duke, you said on 7/11/07:
“As I'd said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. At the very least, some corroboration would be useful.”
“Another good question is, with so many persons nearby the steam pipe, how is it that Ed, 265 yards away, didn't see any of them but the two that nobody else saw?”
“ . . .it has nothing to do with whether Ed's story squares with "the official version" or not, but whether it squares with anyone else's version. . .”
My response: There is corroboration for some of what Ed Hoffman saw. But, to my knowledge, you and Miles haven’t mentioned it. So here it is. Dallas Police Officer J. W. Foster, who stood on the triple underpass near Sam Holland and others, said that after the shooting he moved to “the end of the viaduct” (where the triple underpass meets the picket fence) at which point somebody told him that some man had run up the railroad tracks from that location.
That’s just what Ed had said. After the shots, his “railroad man” had run up the railroad tracks from the area of the switchbox which is at the very same location where Foster’s man had run from, i.e. where the triple underpass meets the picket fence.
Foster doesn’t mention who the person was who told him about the man running up the railroad tracks. If Foster is still alive, and he may very well be, I wonder if he might remember. And where that might lead.
And now for Miles.
Please note my most recent request of you:
“If you don't know who they are, then simply say you don't know who they are. That's all I'm asking at this time.”
This all arose from your conclusion that spectators watching the motorcade in the area adjacent to the switch box did not report seeing anyone that fit Ed's description nor did they see the alleged "rifle toss." I wanted to know who they were, these spectators who didn’t report and didn’t see. I wanted you to name names.
But in your response, you somehow came up with this (emphasis yours):
“I, therefore, would like to assist you with your research, but I do not have the time to do the research for you, as I think I pointed out to you before. You will have to do that for yourself from now on.”
Please, Miles. Try to understand. I don’t want you to do my research for me. You never have. And I’ve never asked you to.
All I’ve ever wanted you to do is admit to this Forum that you really don’t know who these spectators are.
This would be an important admission.
But you won’t say it. So I’ll say it for you.
You don’t know who these spectators are! No one knows. You brought up the suggestions of Don Roberdeau as to who the men might be. I know Don, and he will tell you this: no one knows who these men are. Period.
So if you don’t know who they are, then how can you say what they reported or didn’t report? What they saw or didn’t see?
Just the same, Miles, you chose to "refute" Ed’s story anyway, at least in part based on what these unknown men didn’t report and didn’t see.
The value of this kind of research escapes me.