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#1 Tim Gratz

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 09:36 AM

R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)

Richard Mahoney apparently believes that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre who lived in Luxembourg, partly because of a reference to QJ/WIN as "the Luxembourger" in a communique.

Does anyone have information on QJ/WIN? Does he have an e-mail address so John can invent him to join the Forum? Kidding aside, your opinions on QJ/Win would be appreciated.

Edited by Tim Gratz, 10 September 2007 - 09:37 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2007 - 09:47 AM

From an article by Lisa Pease re a 2005 assassination conference in D.C.:

[Former Sen. Gary] Hart recounted an episode where he had the chance to meet one of the CIA's top contract assassins, known only as QJ/WIN. After a long series of instructions, Hart arrived at the location, only to find QJ/WIN did not want to talk to him. Hart wrote about that episode in fictional form in the novel Double Man (co-written with William Cohen).

It is not clear whether QJ/WIN was a no-show or in fact told Hart to his face that he did not want to speak with him. Anyone no any more about this incident?

Edited by Tim Gratz, 10 September 2007 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:45 AM

FWIW.

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:50 AM

James, can you give us the source of the document?

Any other information you have re Mankel? I assume you do not have his photo.

Was his contract renewed upon its expiration?

Many thanks.

Edited by Tim Gratz, 10 September 2007 - 10:51 AM.


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Posted 02 February 2008 - 05:18 PM

Some Excerpts from The Strength of the Wolf - Douglas Valentine......from Chapter 15. The Magic Button

Harvey was in some way’s George White’s doppleganger in the CIA. An overweight, pear-shaped belligerent drunk and womanizer with a close association with James Angleton, he had resigned from the FBI in 1947 to become chief of counterintelligence in the Office of Special Operations.
In 1948, he joined the CIA and achieved instant fame by discovering that Kim Philby, the British liason officer to the CIA, was a Soviet spy. In 1953, he was assigned as chief of the Berlin station, where he served for several years until returning to headquarters to take control of Division D. 9
Division D was cloistered in the most secluded chamber of the CIA’s enchanted mansion, and most of Harvey’s minions remain unknown. The little that is known about them is contained in Harvey’s handwritten notes, outlining his search in the fall of 1960 for a principal agent, codenamed QJ/WIN, whose task was to recruit underworld assassins and burglars. In his notes, Harvey displays an intimate knowledge of the underworld’s drug smuggling milieu, and in considering candidates for the QJ/WIN position, he suggested using “former resistance personnel” from OSS day’s. “Corsican’s were recommended,“ Harvey
wrote, “as Sicilians could lead to the Mafia.” 10

So we have it from the horse’s mouth that the CIA hired Corsican drug smugglers as assassins, in order to protect certain Mafiosi in its employ. If only we knew who they were.

Harvey considered nine candidates for the QJ/WIN position, though in the documents the CIA released to the public it deleted the names of eight, as well as the name of the CIA station chief who recommended them. The anonymous station chief said very little about each candidate. Candidate One thought the matter was being handled by the FBN! Two was fully informed and had identified a possible assassin. Four was an American in Rome, experienced with criminals , and may have been Jack Cusack, Hank Manfredi, or Paul Knight. Five was in Milan, which “offered good possibilities.” Six was an multilingual bar owner in Florence, acquainted with Belgium’s criminal milieu, and thus suitable for work in the Congo, where the CIA was planning on assassinating Premiere Patrice Lumumba. Seven had introduced Jack Cusack to two expert safecrackers on 19 July 1960 in Barcelona. Eight was a Russian living in Antwerp, and was reachable through the Army CID in Frankfurt. Nine was a Frenchman involved in the commercial film industry.
And three was Charles Siragusa. The station chief who proposed the list to Harvey described Siragusa as a “source on Corsicans and Sicilians,” and suggested that Harvey “query him whether District 2 [New York] has any West Indian colored contacts usable for our purposes.” 11

Harvey was so dependent on the FBN and its underworld contacts that he scribbled the words “the Magic Button” beside a reference to the Bureau in his notes. But the need to exclude Mafiosi and Americans from the operation prevailed, and another individual was selected in November 1960— although, even then, Harvey wondered, “How much does Siragusa know?”12

He knew a lot. Sometime between the summer of 1960 and the spring of 1961, CIA officer Vincent Thill, a veteran of the Berlin station, where he had served under Bill Harvey, asked Siragusa “to recruit an assassination squad.” 13
In making this request, Thill referred to Siragusa’s many contacts in the underworld and said the CIA was prepared to pay $1 million per hit. He also asked Siragusa to set up a detective agency as a front for illegal CIA Operations in America. 14 Siragusa said he refused on moral grounds, and his acknowledgement of Thill’s overture seems to clear him of any involvement in Harvey’s ZR/RIFLE Program. However, at least one expert, according to Professor Alan Block, believed that Siragusa was disembling, and that he was, in fact QJ/WIN. 15
QJ/WIN’s nationality itself is uncertain. His background file [called a “201-file” by the CIA] contains twenty-seven documents, spanning the period from Februry 1955, when he was caught smuggling nickel behind the Iron Curtain, until his termination as an agent in 1964. Not that it matters, Harvey in his notes insisted on a “phony 201-file” that was thoroughly “back-stopped” and looked like a counter-espionage file. So even the extant evidence on QJ/WIN is dubious at best. The best evidence suggests that this mysterious operative was Jose Maria Andre Markel, as Mason Cargill [a staff member of vice president Rockefeller’s Commission to Investigate CIA Activities within the United States] reported in a 1 May 1975 memo. 16 Harvey in his notes refers to QJ/WIN as “FNU Mankel,” which seems to corroborate Cargill’s claim. But author Richard Maloney claims that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre living in Luxemborg. Mahoney is the son of a CIA officer who served in Africa at the time, and he may have inside knowledge. Without citing sources, he also claims that among the assassins on Harvey’s payroll were two Corsicans, “Santelli and Garioni”, holding Italian passports as well as “Italians from the Trieste area [Manfredi’s area of expertise] who were ready to use the gun.” 17

What is known, and what is most important, is that Harvey wanted to recruit Corsican’s to spy on the Soviets, and the man he selected for QJ/WIN position was hired in Frankfurt on 1 November 1960 for the Lumumba assassination operation in the Congo. He was told that the “Soviet’s were operating in Africa among nationality groups, specifically Corsicans [italics added], and that he was being asked to spot, assess, and recommend some dependable, quick-witted persons for our use.” 18

THE TIE-IN BETWEEN DRUG SMUGGLING AND ESPIONAGE

According to documents in his 201-file, QJ/WIN was tall and thin married (although homosexual), with many friends in well-to do Parisian circles. He was a
conman extraordinaire! He’d been a double-agent during the war and had testified at the trial of Marshall Petain. After the war he got involved in smuggling, and one of four or five FBN agents in Europe at the time recruited him and set him up in a business in Luxembourg. Through this FBN agent, the CIA’s Luxembourg station chief, Arnold Silver, contacted QJ/WIN in the autumn of 1958 “in connection with an illegal narcotic operation into the United States.... in behalf of the Bureau of Narcotics.” 19

END

9 Hersh, The Good Old Boy’s 187-8. David E. Murphy Battle Ground Berlin, CIA vs KGB in the Cold War (New Haven, Yale University Press, 1977) 217.
10 “Notes in Draft re: ZR/RIFLE Project,” provided by the National Archives ARRB as part of CIA Historical Review Program, (hereafter known as Harvey’s Notes), 10.
11 Dispatch from Chief of Station (deleted) to William Harvey, 11 October, 1960
12 Harvey’s Notes, 8.
13 Moldea’s. The Hoffa Wars, 127.
14 Michie Memo
15 Scott, Deep Politics, 352 n. 35.
16 Memorandum to David Belin from Mason Cargill, Subject: Search of Files for Materials Relevant to Assassination Plans, 1 May 1975 (hereafter known as Cargill Memo) photocopy from the Gerald R. Ford Library, document provided by Gus Russo.
17 Richard Maloney, Sons and Brothers: The Days of Jack and Bobby Kennedy (New York Arcade Publishing, 1999) 91-2. Drug Trafficker Robert Blemant (object of Paul Knight’s sting operation in 1959 and the founder of Les Trois Canards) is proposed as possibly QJ/WIN by Steve Rivele in “Death of a Double Man,”
Washington, The National Reporter, Spring 1987, 48-50.
18 “QJ/WIN,” HSCA Staff Report 1977, provided by the National Archives ARRB as part of CIA Historical Review Program, 1994,2.
19 Harvey’s Notes, 4.

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 10:00 PM

It would come as no surprise to some that the OAS were the darlings of the extreme-right in America, and elsewhere; Dick Russell, The author of The Man Who Knew Too Much was also one who followed the Souetre/Alderson connection, and wrote some very interesting passages concerning the same in his opus.....

In his original version published in 1992, the pertinent passages can be found on pages 557-63; in the Revised and Updated version, they can be found on pages 352-356.......


While I have not had the opportunity to compare the portions dealing with E. Howard Hunt to Hunt's farewell tome, [or to Saint John's account in the somewhat recent Rolling Stone magazine] there is a thread of sorts between Souetre and extreme-right figures in the United States, at least according to a "well connected Frenchman," who arranged many of Bernard Fensterwald's interviews. Most of the eyebrow-raising assertions regarding Souetre, [and I do not assume Souetre was QJ/WIN by any means] were given to Fensterwald, through this Frenchman, named Gilbert Le Cavelier.......

Pieced together in a continuous narrative from the original TMWKTM, Gilbert Le Cavelier stated in communications with Fensterwald that "Jean Souetre traveled widely in Latin America and the Caribbean between 1962 and 1971, Souetre's official residence was Madrid, which under the fascist dictatorship of Franco, was the center for the international right wing-- including a site of occasional visits by General Charles Willoughby. "Extremely close ties have always existed between the anti-Castroites in Florida and the French extreme right" Le Cavelier wrote Fensterwald in 1982, "through the intermediary of ex-OAS members who emigrated to Argentina, Paraguay and Venezuela. In March-April 1963 Souetre met E. Howard Hunt in Madrid."
Continuing, from Russell's narrative......Also at this meeting, Le Cavelier continued, were OAS intelligence director Jean Claude Perez and several Hungarians looking to expand the global anti-Communist network. Several of them proceeded "in the direction of the Caribbean then towards New Orleans. They re-discovered someone called Bringuier, director of the Free Cuba Committee......."Then Souetre met-- still around April-May 1963 with General Edwin A. Walker in Dallas. [Souetre was] at the training program of anti-Castro groups, Alpha-66 and the 30th of November group." Arms were furnished by the intermediary at the Guantanamo naval base, training took place at the New Orleans region of Mandeville. Their Q-G ('Quarter-General' or 'Headquarters') was 544 Camp Street."
At a tape-recorded session in Paris, Le Cavelier told Fensterwald that Bannister was "former FBI, he was with Carlos Quiroga, and in the World Anti-Communist League."
OAS veterans, he said, had a "cell" at Mandeville, Louisiana, the site of an exile training camp. And, while E. Howard Hunt, Jr., was a CIA contact for Souetre and OAS intelligence, Le Cavelier said that ex-OAS officers also worked closely with members of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 04:34 AM

It would come as no surprise to some that the OAS were the darlings of the extreme-right in America, and elsewhere; Dick Russell, The author of The Man Who Knew Too Much was also one who followed the Souetre/Alderson connection, and wrote some very interesting passages concerning the same in his opus.....

In his original version published in 1992, the pertinent passages can be found on pages 557-63; in the Revised and Updated version, they can be found on pages 352-356.......


While I have not had the opportunity to compare the portions dealing with E. Howard Hunt to Hunt's farewell tome, [or to Saint John's account in the somewhat recent Rolling Stone magazine] there is a thread of sorts between Souetre and extreme-right figures in the United States, at least according to a "well connected Frenchman," who arranged many of Bernard Fensterwald's interviews. Most of the eyebrow-raising assertions regarding Souetre, [and I do not assume Souetre was QJ/WIN by any means] were given to Fensterwald, through this Frenchman, named Gilbert Le Cavelier.......

Pieced together in a continuous narrative from the original TMWKTM, Gilbert Le Cavelier stated in communications with Fensterwald that "Jean Souetre traveled widely in Latin America and the Caribbean between 1962 and 1971, Souetre's official residence was Madrid, which under the fascist dictatorship of Franco, was the center for the international right wing-- including a site of occasional visits by General Charles Willoughby. "Extremely close ties have always existed between the anti-Castroites in Florida and the French extreme right" Le Cavelier wrote Fensterwald in 1982, "through the intermediary of ex-OAS members who emigrated to Argentina, Paraguay and Venezuela. In March-April 1963 Souetre met E. Howard Hunt in Madrid."
Continuing, from Russell's narrative......Also at this meeting, Le Cavelier continued, were OAS intelligence director Jean Claude Perez and several Hungarians looking to expand the global anti-Communist network. Several of them proceeded "in the direction of the Caribbean then towards New Orleans. They re-discovered someone called Bringuier, director of the Free Cuba Committee......."Then Souetre met-- still around April-May 1963 with General Edwin A. Walker in Dallas. [Souetre was] at the training program of anti-Castro groups, Alpha-66 and the 30th of November group." Arms were furnished by the intermediary at the Guantanamo naval base, training took place at the New Orleans region of Mandeville. Their Q-G ('Quarter-General' or 'Headquarters') was 544 Camp Street."
At a tape-recorded session in Paris, Le Cavelier told Fensterwald that Bannister was "former FBI, he was with Carlos Quiroga, and in the World Anti-Communist League."
OAS veterans, he said, had a "cell" at Mandeville, Louisiana, the site of an exile training camp. And, while E. Howard Hunt, Jr., was a CIA contact for Souetre and OAS intelligence, Le Cavelier said that ex-OAS officers also worked closely with members of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

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Robert, very interesting post as usual. That part about the DIA, James Carroll forgot to mention it in his book House of War, although he does include about his father who was its first director. He mostly portrays the DIA as JFK's and Robert Mcnamara's way of checking the power of the Joint Chiefs, and making them more answerable to the President. I guess we don't know who your stated OAS contact was within the DIA, but do we know of any strongly anti-Kennedy people who might make good suspects. If so what exactly did they do for a living?

By the way I think James Carroll's book is very good and worth reading. Its just that I haven't read much from other sources on the DIA.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:48 PM

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Robert, very interesting post as usual. That part about the DIA, James Carroll forgot to mention it in his book House of War, although he does include about his father who was its first director. He mostly portrays the DIA as JFK's and Robert Mcnamara's way of checking the power of the Joint Chiefs, and making them more answerable to the President. I guess we don't know who your stated OAS contact was within the DIA, but do we know of any strongly anti-Kennedy people who might make good suspects. If so what exactly did they do for a living?
By the way I think James Carroll's book is very good and worth reading. Its just that I haven't read much from other sources on the DIA.

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Thank You Nathaniel. Although I don't proclaim to be an expert on the DIA, the consensus, more or less appears to support James Carroll's portrayal of the DIA. I do not have anything in my research that identifies any parties in the DIA that were anti-Kennedy, but that is more a result that I haven't looked "there," so I am not the person to ask. What is an area of recent interest for myself is Harvey's deposition testimony. There are at least four RIF's of William Harvey's deposition testimony from the Church Committee Era, and I have only read the first one, QJ/WIN is only mentioned once or twice in some 64 pages, and there is nothing, significant in that deposition [as far as I am concerned] although that point can be argued if one is taking a devil's advocate position......

My impression regarding a lot of the really important personages who were interviewed from that era, is that there appears to be a lot of "kid gloves treatment" administered, in asking the questions, which is not too surprising in my mind. As well as a sort of, pseudo-awestruck posturing, which is probably genuine.

Looking for smoking guns in declassified documents is a very tedious process, and most of my experience is that in a lot of cases, the imputation of guilt or conspiracy, is danced around or implied.....That is not to say there are no smoking guns, but rather that the really compelling documents still do not appear to be "accessible."

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 11:12 PM

R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)

Richard Mahoney apparently believes that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre who lived in Luxembourg, partly because of a reference to QJ/WIN as "the Luxembourger" in a communique.

Does anyone have information on QJ/WIN? Does he have an e-mail address so John can invent him to join the Forum? Kidding aside, your opinions on QJ/Win would be appreciated.


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"R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)"

Any relationship to the Cargill/Agro Corporation?

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 02:43 PM

R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)

Richard Mahoney apparently believes that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre who lived in Luxembourg, partly because of a reference to QJ/WIN as "the Luxembourger" in a communique.

Does anyone have information on QJ/WIN? Does he have an e-mail address so John can invent him to join the Forum? Kidding aside, your opinions on QJ/Win would be appreciated.


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"R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)"

Any relationship to the Cargill/Agro Corporation?


I am glad you asked the question, ostensibly 65% of the worlds grain supply is controlled by Cargill Inc. and Archer Daniels Midland. [ADM] Companies, such as these two fall under the category of transnational, Cargill is also the 2nd largest private sector company in the world. While I cannot give you a yes or no to the question, I would imagine Cargill/Argo is probably a lower echelon subdivision of Cargill Inc, but that is just a guess.
Interestingly enough Mr H. G. Joiner in Dallas, claimed that while repairing a roof on October 29, 1964 a L.H. Oswald and E. G. Cargill asked him for a job, that, he hired them and they never showed up for work the next day; there was some checking on the story and no-one by the name of E.G. Cargill was ever located.
See
http://www.maryferre...mp;relPageId=39

Interestingly, there was a grain mill in Dallas, on Alamo St., which was affiliated with Cargill, and is mentioned, [re; a photograph] in Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain. All of which probably does not mean a whole lot. I believe if there was a company that deserved looking into, [and which has been extensively, by Lisa Pease] it would be Freeport Mcmoran [in 1963 Freeport Sulphur], which, ties into Clay Shaw, who links to Hjalmar Schacht, but that is another angle. Freeport Sulphur's Nickel factories were confiscated after Castro took over, and like United Fruit Co., had corporate ties to some pretty connected people Terry, as I am sure you can appreciate. Although I am curious if Cargill Inc., suffered the types of losses that Freeport Sulfur did after ze revolucion!....

An interesting article which references Cargill can be found at
http://mexfiles.word...so-free-market/

Lisa Pease's excellent work regarding Freeport Sulfur, Clay Shaw and Freeport Sulphur can be found at
http://www.realhisto...eeport-cuba.htm



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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:36 PM

R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)

Richard Mahoney apparently believes that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre who lived in Luxembourg, partly because of a reference to QJ/WIN as "the Luxembourger" in a communique.

Does anyone have information on QJ/WIN? Does he have an e-mail address so John can invent him to join the Forum? Kidding aside, your opinions on QJ/Win would be appreciated.


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"R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)"

Any relationship to the Cargill/Agro Corporation?


I am glad you asked the question, ostensibly 65% of the worlds grain supply is controlled by Cargill Inc. and Archer Daniels Midland. [ADM] Companies, such as these two fall under the category of transnational, Cargill is also the 2nd largest private sector company in the world. While I cannot give you a yes or no to the question, I would imagine Cargill/Argo is probably a lower echelon subdivision of Cargill Inc, but that is just a guess.
Interestingly enough Mr H. G. Joiner in Dallas, claimed that while repairing a roof on October 29, 1964 a L.H. Oswald and E. G. Cargill asked him for a job, that, he hired them and they never showed up for work the next day; there was some checking on the story and no-one by the name of E.G. Cargill was ever located.
See
http://www.maryferre...mp;relPageId=39

Interestingly, there was a grain mill in Dallas, on Alamo St., which was affiliated with Cargill, and is mentioned, [re; a photograph] in Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain. All of which probably does not mean a whole lot. I believe if there was a company that deserved looking into, [and which has been extensively, by Lisa Pease] it would be Freeport Mcmoran [in 1963 Freeport Sulphur], which, ties into Clay Shaw, who links to Hjalmar Schacht, but that is another angle. Freeport Sulphur's Nickel factories were confiscated after Castro took over, and like United Fruit Co., had corporate ties to some pretty connected people Terry, as I am sure you can appreciate. Although I am curious if Cargill Inc., suffered the types of losses that Freeport Sulfur did after ze revolucion!....

An interesting article which references Cargill can be found at
http://mexfiles.word...so-free-market/

Lisa Pease's excellent work regarding Freeport Sulfur, Clay Shaw and Freeport Sulphur can be found at
http://www.realhisto...eeport-cuba.htm

This document is entitled Termination of QJ/WIN
See
CABLE: QJWIN TERMINATION
http://www.maryferre...amp;relPageId=2



1. QJ/WIN HAS BEEN TERMINATED. [ redacted ] TOLD HIM ON 21 APRIL
THAT THE OPERATION IN WHICH HE WAS TO PLAY A ROLE HAD BEEN SHELVED
AND THEREFORE HIS CONTRACT, WHICH RAN OUT ON 29 FEBRUARY, WAS NOT RENEWED.
HE WAS REASSURED THAT THIS ACTION DID NOT RESULT FROM ANYTHING HE HAD DONE
AND HIS PAST COOPERATION WAS APPRECIATED. IT WAS MENTIONED AS CONCEIVABLE
THAT THE OPERATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFF AND RUNNING HAD HE BEEN ABLE TO
ESTABLISH HIS COVER LAST YEAR. QJ/WIN ACCEPTED THE REASON FOR
TERMINATION AND SAID HE WOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE IF HE COULD BE OF ANY
ASSISTANCE. IN DISCUSSING HIS FUTURE, [ redacted ] SUGGESTED, NOW THAT HE HAS RECEIVED
ALL THE NECESSARY AUTHORIZATIONS FOR DOING BUSINESS IN GERMANY, HE SERIOUSLY
CONSIDER GOING AHEAD WITH THE VENTURE IN COLOGNE. QJ/WIN SAID HE WOULD
DISCUSS THIS WITH HIS WIFE. HIS ONLY HESITATION IS IN COMMITTING HIMSELF TO A
LONG LEASE ON A SHOP.

2. SINCE JANUARY 1962 ( SEE PARAGRAPH 6, [ redacted ] OF 15 DECEMBER 1961 QJ/WIN’s ONLY ASSIGNMENT
HAS BEEN TO ESTABLISH COVER. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS CONFIRMED BY DIR-12541 OF 28 MAY 1962
AND DURING [ redacted ] DISCUSSIONS IN HEADQUARTERS IN JULY 1962. 27 MONTHS AND SOME $18,000
LATER HE IS STILL NOT redacted IN PLACE. ALTHOUGH [ redacted ] MADE AN ISSUE OF THIS WITH HIM IN AUGUST
1963. WHETHER HE EVER REALLY INTENDED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO THIS ASSIGNMENT REMAINS A
QUESTION. [ redacted] HAS STRONG DOUBTS.
QJ/WIN’s PERSONAL HISTORY REVEALS MAJOR INSTABILITY AND THE HABIT OF HEDGING HIS BETS
IS UNDOUBTEDLY PART OF HIS CHARACTER. THIS DOES NOT IMPLY A SECURITY BREACH. THERE IS
NOTHING TO INDICATE THAT HE HAS DISCUSSED HIS KUBARK RELATIONSHIP WITH ANYONE, EXCEPT,
PERHAPS HIS WIFE.

3. [ redacted ] IS KNOWN TO QJ/WIN BY TRUE NAME. [ redacted ] USED THE NAME PIERRE WITH HIM, BUT
IT IS ASSUMED THAT HE HAS IDENTIFIED [ redacted] TRUE NAME. QJ/WIN KNOWS THE TELEPHONE NUMBER OF THE STATION OUTSIDE PHONE, BUT THIS PHONE IS BEING DISMANTLED IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
ADDRESSES ARE FORWARDED UNDER SEPARATE COVER
DATE 24 APRIL 1964

While I honestly don't get excited about the usage of cliche's, I would say this is a good example of a document, that ultimately raises more questions than it resolves.......

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:13 PM

R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)

Richard Mahoney apparently believes that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre who lived in Luxembourg, partly because of a reference to QJ/WIN as "the Luxembourger" in a communique.

Does anyone have information on QJ/WIN? Does he have an e-mail address so John can invent him to join the Forum? Kidding aside, your opinions on QJ/Win would be appreciated.


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"R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)"

Any relationship to the Cargill/Agro Corporation?


I am glad you asked the question, ostensibly 65% of the worlds grain supply is controlled by Cargill Inc. and Archer Daniels Midland. [ADM] Companies, such as these two fall under the category of transnational, Cargill is also the 2nd largest private sector company in the world. While I cannot give you a yes or no to the question, I would imagine Cargill/Argo is probably a lower echelon subdivision of Cargill Inc, but that is just a guess.
Interestingly enough Mr H. G. Joiner in Dallas, claimed that while repairing a roof on October 29, 1964 a L.H. Oswald and E. G. Cargill asked him for a job, that, he hired them and they never showed up for work the next day; there was some checking on the story and no-one by the name of E.G. Cargill was ever located.
See
http://www.maryferre...mp;relPageId=39

Interestingly, there was a grain mill in Dallas, on Alamo St., which was affiliated with Cargill, and is mentioned, [re; a photograph] in Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain. All of which probably does not mean a whole lot. I believe if there was a company that deserved looking into, [and which has been extensively, by Lisa Pease] it would be Freeport Mcmoran [in 1963 Freeport Sulphur], which, ties into Clay Shaw, who links to Hjalmar Schacht, but that is another angle. Freeport Sulphur's Nickel factories were confiscated after Castro took over, and like United Fruit Co., had corporate ties to some pretty connected people Terry, as I am sure you can appreciate. Although I am curious if Cargill Inc., suffered the types of losses that Freeport Sulfur did after ze revolucion!....

An interesting article which references Cargill can be found at
http://mexfiles.word...so-free-market/

Lisa Pease's excellent work regarding Freeport Sulfur, Clay Shaw and Freeport Sulphur can be found at
http://www.realhisto...eeport-cuba.htm

This document is entitled Termination of QJ/WIN
See
CABLE: QJWIN TERMINATION
http://www.maryferre...amp;relPageId=2



1. QJ/WIN HAS BEEN TERMINATED. [ redacted ] TOLD HIM ON 21 APRIL
THAT THE OPERATION IN WHICH HE WAS TO PLAY A ROLE HAD BEEN SHELVED
AND THEREFORE HIS CONTRACT, WHICH RAN OUT ON 29 FEBRUARY, WAS NOT RENEWED.
HE WAS REASSURED THAT THIS ACTION DID NOT RESULT FROM ANYTHING HE HAD DONE
AND HIS PAST COOPERATION WAS APPRECIATED. IT WAS MENTIONED AS CONCEIVABLE
THAT THE OPERATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFF AND RUNNING HAD HE BEEN ABLE TO
ESTABLISH HIS COVER LAST YEAR. QJ/WIN ACCEPTED THE REASON FOR
TERMINATION AND SAID HE WOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE IF HE COULD BE OF ANY
ASSISTANCE. IN DISCUSSING HIS FUTURE, [ redacted ] SUGGESTED, NOW THAT HE HAS RECEIVED
ALL THE NECESSARY AUTHORIZATIONS FOR DOING BUSINESS IN GERMANY, HE SERIOUSLY
CONSIDER GOING AHEAD WITH THE VENTURE IN COLOGNE. QJ/WIN SAID HE WOULD
DISCUSS THIS WITH HIS WIFE. HIS ONLY HESITATION IS IN COMMITTING HIMSELF TO A
LONG LEASE ON A SHOP.

2. SINCE JANUARY 1962 ( SEE PARAGRAPH 6, [ redacted ] OF 15 DECEMBER 1961 QJ/WIN’s ONLY ASSIGNMENT
HAS BEEN TO ESTABLISH COVER. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS CONFIRMED BY DIR-12541 OF 28 MAY 1962
AND DURING [ redacted ] DISCUSSIONS IN HEADQUARTERS IN JULY 1962. 27 MONTHS AND SOME $18,000
LATER HE IS STILL NOT redacted IN PLACE. ALTHOUGH [ redacted ] MADE AN ISSUE OF THIS WITH HIM IN AUGUST
1963. WHETHER HE EVER REALLY INTENDED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO THIS ASSIGNMENT REMAINS A
QUESTION. [ redacted] HAS STRONG DOUBTS.
QJ/WIN’s PERSONAL HISTORY REVEALS MAJOR INSTABILITY AND THE HABIT OF HEDGING HIS BETS
IS UNDOUBTEDLY PART OF HIS CHARACTER. THIS DOES NOT IMPLY A SECURITY BREACH. THERE IS
NOTHING TO INDICATE THAT HE HAS DISCUSSED HIS KUBARK RELATIONSHIP WITH ANYONE, EXCEPT,
PERHAPS HIS WIFE.

3. [ redacted ] IS KNOWN TO QJ/WIN BY TRUE NAME. [ redacted ] USED THE NAME PIERRE WITH HIM, BUT
IT IS ASSUMED THAT HE HAS IDENTIFIED [ redacted] TRUE NAME. QJ/WIN KNOWS THE TELEPHONE NUMBER OF THE STATION OUTSIDE PHONE, BUT THIS PHONE IS BEING DISMANTLED IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
ADDRESSES ARE FORWARDED UNDER SEPARATE COVER
DATE 24 APRIL 1964

While I honestly don't get excited about the usage of cliche's, I would say this is a good example of a document, that ultimately raises more questions than it resolves.......

I felt that the Forum members might find this recent NY Times article interesting......

http://www.nytimes.c...f...t=nyt&scp=4
Memories of a C.I.A. Officer Resonate in a New Era
LOCUST GROVE, Va. — Larry Devlin is 85 now, suffering from emphysema and tethered to an oxygen tank, his Central Intelligence Agency career long behind him. But he recalls with sunlit clarity the day in Congo nearly half a century ago when he was handed a packet of poisons, including toxic toothpaste, and ordered to carry out a political assassination.


Mr. Devlin, here in 1960 or 1961, has written about his old job.

“I was totally taken aback,” said Mr. Devlin, sitting in his den, looking out on a small lake in the Virginia countryside. He uttered a mild profanity, he recalled, and asked, “Isn’t this unusual?’ ”

It was 1960, and Mr. Devlin, the C.I.A.’s young station chief, was in the middle of a political maelstrom as Congolese factions fought for control of the newly independent nation and the United States jostled with the Soviet Union for influence and control over deposits of critical metals.

Mr. Devlin had no problems with bribery, blackmail or other varieties of skulduggery — “all part of the game” for the C.I.A. under Allen Dulles at the height of the cold war, he said. But he thought the order to kill Patrice Lumumba, the charismatic Congolese politician the Eisenhower administration feared would become an African Fidel Castro, was both wrong and stupid, a desperate plan that could easily go awry and devastate American influence in Africa.

“Worldwide it would have been disastrous,” he said.

So he stalled. And Lumumba’s political rivals eventually killed him without the C.I.A.’s help.

Today, Mr. Devlin’s story has new resonance amid a renewed debate about the proper limits of C.I.A. actions to counter a different global threat and their cost to the United States’ standing. The C.I.A.’s destruction of videotapes of harsh interrogations is under criminal investigation. Congress has been reviewing the C.I.A.’s secret detention program and the transfer of terrorist suspects to countries that practice torture, though so far no inquiry has approached the sweep of the Church Committee in the Senate in the 1970s, whose reports quote Mr. Devlin under a pseudonym, Victor S. Hedgeman.

“I think there’s an eerie and disturbing correlation between that era and this one,” said John Prados, an intelligence historian and the author of “Safe for Democracy: The Secret Wars of the C.I.A.”

He said the threat of terrorism now, like the threat of communism then, was used to justify extreme measures that “later become controversial legally, morally and politically.”

Mr. Prados said the historical record supported Mr. Devlin’s account of his actions, which he described last year in an autobiography, “Chief of Station, Congo: Fighting the Cold War in a Hot Zone.”

“I believe there’s no reason to doubt that Mr. Devlin conspired to defuse the orders to kill Lumumba,” he said.

Mr. Devlin, who was station chief in Congo and in Laos during the Vietnam war and retired from the agency in 1974, said he never used force during interrogations and worried that endorsing such methods might put Americans at greater risk of mistreatment.

But he has watched the tribulations of a younger generation at the agency with sympathy. He can attest not only to the quandary of a field officer directed to take extreme measures, but also to the personal cost that can follow. Because his name got associated with the plot against Lumumba, Mr. Devlin was later told, he himself was made a target for death by both a Black Panther faction and Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, the Venezuelan terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal.

“I can put myself in the shoes of the people who did the waterboarding and who thought they’d get information to save lives,” Mr. Devlin said. “I’ve often wondered: How would I react if I thought I had the man who knows about a bomb?”

The son of an Army colonel and a schoolteacher in San Diego, Mr. Devlin recalls being shaken when he read “Mein Kampf” at the age of 16 and paying 25 cents to hear lectures on foreign affairs at the local Unitarian church.

After serving in combat in North Africa and Europe during World War II, he went to Harvard to pursue a Ph.D. One Sunday afternoon, he was summoned by a professor, William Y. Elliott, a historian and longtime adviser to presidents. Waiting for him was McGeorge Bundy, who went on to be the national security adviser to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. Mr. Bundy urged him to join the recently formed C.I.A. to keep the cold war from turning hot.

His first job was as what C.I.A. calls a “noc,” for nonofficial cover, traveling in the guise of a writer of travel guides. At the age of 38, he landed in the tumult of Congo, where he would be jailed, beaten and narrowly escape death on several occasions.
In September 1960, Mr. Devlin received a cable advising him that he would get an important message from “Joe from Paris.” The envoy turned out to be Sidney Gottlieb, the agency’s club-footed poisons expert, whom Mr. Devlin had met during operations to install listening devices overseas, and who would later become notorious for mind-control experiments using L.S.D.

Mr. Gottlieb said that the assassination had been approved by President Eisenhower but admitted that he had not seen the presidential orders. He explained that the poisons, including the spiked toothpaste, had been chosen to make the death appear to result from natural causes.

“Morally I thought it was the wrong thing to do,” Mr. Devlin said. “And I thought it was a very dangerous thing to do. If I screwed up and brought in the wrong person and it got out that the United States had done this, I had visions of even Africans who didn’t like Lumumba wiping out every white man they could find. It might have cost hundreds of lives.”

Mr. Devlin said he figured that if he refused his orders outright, his C.I.A. bosses would simply call him home and send a more willing replacement. So he listened sagely and hid the poisons in his office safe, scribbling a warning on the box — “just in case someone got in and tried the toothpaste.”

After Mr. Lumumba was executed by opponents in January 1961, Mr. Devlin decided he needed to get rid of the poisons in his safe. He took the box to a rocky stretch of the Congo River where no one was likely to stumble upon it, and tossed it in.

Such episodes aside, he defends the C.I.A’ s achievements in Congo, including support for the rise of Mobutu Sese Seko, who would become a symbol of corruption in his 32-year rule. “We prevented the Soviets from taking over a very large part of Africa,” he said.

Though he retired from the C.I.A., Mr. Devlin stayed in Africa and worked in the diamond business for 12 years, until 1988. His boss was Maurice Tempelsman, a Belgian-American diamond importer best known as the companion of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in the last 15 years of her life.

“Diamonds are a political thing,” Mr. Devlin said. “I knew all the ministers of mines. In short, I was in a better position to negotiate than people who knew a lot about diamonds.” When he came across interesting information, he added, he passed it to his old friends in the C.I.A.

Last year, Mr. Devlin was called back to C.I.A. headquarters to receive an award honoring his career and exchanged a few words with Jose A. Rodriguez Jr., the chief of the C.I.A.’s clandestine service. He has closely followed the news since Mr. Rodriguez came under investigation for giving the order to destroy the videotapes.

“I feel sorry for the guy,” Mr. Devlin said. “I think I know what he’s going through.”


END

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:27 PM

R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)

Richard Mahoney apparently believes that QJ/WIN was Mozes Maschkivitzan, a Russian emigre who lived in Luxembourg, partly because of a reference to QJ/WIN as "the Luxembourger" in a communique.

Does anyone have information on QJ/WIN? Does he have an e-mail address so John can invent him to join the Forum? Kidding aside, your opinions on QJ/Win would be appreciated.


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"R. Mason Cargill, a staff member of the Rockefeller Commission to Investigate CIA Activities in the United States, authored a May 1 1975 memo indicating that in his opinion QJ/WIN was probably Jose Marie Andre Mankel. (Mr. Cargill, by the way, is now an attorney in Atlanta.)"

Any relationship to the Cargill/Agro Corporation?


I am glad you asked the question, ostensibly 65% of the worlds grain supply is controlled by Cargill Inc. and Archer Daniels Midland. [ADM] Companies, such as these two fall under the category of transnational, Cargill is also the 2nd largest private sector company in the world. While I cannot give you a yes or no to the question, I would imagine Cargill/Argo is probably a lower echelon subdivision of Cargill Inc, but that is just a guess.
Interestingly enough Mr H. G. Joiner in Dallas, claimed that while repairing a roof on October 29, 1964 a L.H. Oswald and E. G. Cargill asked him for a job, that, he hired them and they never showed up for work the next day; there was some checking on the story and no-one by the name of E.G. Cargill was ever located.
See
http://www.maryferre...mp;relPageId=39

Interestingly, there was a grain mill in Dallas, on Alamo St., which was affiliated with Cargill, and is mentioned, [re; a photograph] in Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain. All of which probably does not mean a whole lot. I believe if there was a company that deserved looking into, [and which has been extensively, by Lisa Pease] it would be Freeport Mcmoran [in 1963 Freeport Sulphur], which, ties into Clay Shaw, who links to Hjalmar Schacht, but that is another angle. Freeport Sulphur's Nickel factories were confiscated after Castro took over, and like United Fruit Co., had corporate ties to some pretty connected people Terry, as I am sure you can appreciate. Although I am curious if Cargill Inc., suffered the types of losses that Freeport Sulfur did after ze revolucion!....

An interesting article which references Cargill can be found at
http://mexfiles.word...so-free-market/

Lisa Pease's excellent work regarding Freeport Sulfur, Clay Shaw and Freeport Sulphur can be found at
http://www.realhisto...eeport-cuba.htm

This document is entitled Termination of QJ/WIN
See
CABLE: QJWIN TERMINATION
http://www.maryferre...amp;relPageId=2



1. QJ/WIN HAS BEEN TERMINATED. [ redacted ] TOLD HIM ON 21 APRIL
THAT THE OPERATION IN WHICH HE WAS TO PLAY A ROLE HAD BEEN SHELVED
AND THEREFORE HIS CONTRACT, WHICH RAN OUT ON 29 FEBRUARY, WAS NOT RENEWED.
HE WAS REASSURED THAT THIS ACTION DID NOT RESULT FROM ANYTHING HE HAD DONE
AND HIS PAST COOPERATION WAS APPRECIATED. IT WAS MENTIONED AS CONCEIVABLE
THAT THE OPERATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFF AND RUNNING HAD HE BEEN ABLE TO
ESTABLISH HIS COVER LAST YEAR. QJ/WIN ACCEPTED THE REASON FOR
TERMINATION AND SAID HE WOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE IF HE COULD BE OF ANY
ASSISTANCE. IN DISCUSSING HIS FUTURE, [ redacted ] SUGGESTED, NOW THAT HE HAS RECEIVED
ALL THE NECESSARY AUTHORIZATIONS FOR DOING BUSINESS IN GERMANY, HE SERIOUSLY
CONSIDER GOING AHEAD WITH THE VENTURE IN COLOGNE. QJ/WIN SAID HE WOULD
DISCUSS THIS WITH HIS WIFE. HIS ONLY HESITATION IS IN COMMITTING HIMSELF TO A
LONG LEASE ON A SHOP.

2. SINCE JANUARY 1962 ( SEE PARAGRAPH 6, [ redacted ] OF 15 DECEMBER 1961 QJ/WIN’s ONLY ASSIGNMENT
HAS BEEN TO ESTABLISH COVER. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS CONFIRMED BY DIR-12541 OF 28 MAY 1962
AND DURING [ redacted ] DISCUSSIONS IN HEADQUARTERS IN JULY 1962. 27 MONTHS AND SOME $18,000
LATER HE IS STILL NOT redacted IN PLACE. ALTHOUGH [ redacted ] MADE AN ISSUE OF THIS WITH HIM IN AUGUST
1963. WHETHER HE EVER REALLY INTENDED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO THIS ASSIGNMENT REMAINS A
QUESTION. [ redacted] HAS STRONG DOUBTS.
QJ/WIN’s PERSONAL HISTORY REVEALS MAJOR INSTABILITY AND THE HABIT OF HEDGING HIS BETS
IS UNDOUBTEDLY PART OF HIS CHARACTER. THIS DOES NOT IMPLY A SECURITY BREACH. THERE IS
NOTHING TO INDICATE THAT HE HAS DISCUSSED HIS KUBARK RELATIONSHIP WITH ANYONE, EXCEPT,
PERHAPS HIS WIFE.

3. [ redacted ] IS KNOWN TO QJ/WIN BY TRUE NAME. [ redacted ] USED THE NAME PIERRE WITH HIM, BUT
IT IS ASSUMED THAT HE HAS IDENTIFIED [ redacted] TRUE NAME. QJ/WIN KNOWS THE TELEPHONE NUMBER OF THE STATION OUTSIDE PHONE, BUT THIS PHONE IS BEING DISMANTLED IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
ADDRESSES ARE FORWARDED UNDER SEPARATE COVER
DATE 24 APRIL 1964

While I honestly don't get excited about the usage of cliche's, I would say this is a good example of a document, that ultimately raises more questions than it resolves.......

I felt that the Forum members might find this recent NY Times article interesting......

http://www.nytimes.c...f...t=nyt&scp=4
Memories of a C.I.A. Officer Resonate in a New Era
LOCUST GROVE, Va. — Larry Devlin is 85 now, suffering from emphysema and tethered to an oxygen tank, his Central Intelligence Agency career long behind him. But he recalls with sunlit clarity the day in Congo nearly half a century ago when he was handed a packet of poisons, including toxic toothpaste, and ordered to carry out a political assassination.


Mr. Devlin, here in 1960 or 1961, has written about his old job.

“I was totally taken aback,” said Mr. Devlin, sitting in his den, looking out on a small lake in the Virginia countryside. He uttered a mild profanity, he recalled, and asked, “Isn’t this unusual?’ ”

It was 1960, and Mr. Devlin, the C.I.A.’s young station chief, was in the middle of a political maelstrom as Congolese factions fought for control of the newly independent nation and the United States jostled with the Soviet Union for influence and control over deposits of critical metals.

Mr. Devlin had no problems with bribery, blackmail or other varieties of skulduggery — “all part of the game” for the C.I.A. under Allen Dulles at the height of the cold war, he said. But he thought the order to kill Patrice Lumumba, the charismatic Congolese politician the Eisenhower administration feared would become an African Fidel Castro, was both wrong and stupid, a desperate plan that could easily go awry and devastate American influence in Africa.

“Worldwide it would have been disastrous,” he said.

So he stalled. And Lumumba’s political rivals eventually killed him without the C.I.A.’s help.

Today, Mr. Devlin’s story has new resonance amid a renewed debate about the proper limits of C.I.A. actions to counter a different global threat and their cost to the United States’ standing. The C.I.A.’s destruction of videotapes of harsh interrogations is under criminal investigation. Congress has been reviewing the C.I.A.’s secret detention program and the transfer of terrorist suspects to countries that practice torture, though so far no inquiry has approached the sweep of the Church Committee in the Senate in the 1970s, whose reports quote Mr. Devlin under a pseudonym, Victor S. Hedgeman.

“I think there’s an eerie and disturbing correlation between that era and this one,” said John Prados, an intelligence historian and the author of “Safe for Democracy: The Secret Wars of the C.I.A.”

He said the threat of terrorism now, like the threat of communism then, was used to justify extreme measures that “later become controversial legally, morally and politically.”

Mr. Prados said the historical record supported Mr. Devlin’s account of his actions, which he described last year in an autobiography, “Chief of Station, Congo: Fighting the Cold War in a Hot Zone.”

“I believe there’s no reason to doubt that Mr. Devlin conspired to defuse the orders to kill Lumumba,” he said.

Mr. Devlin, who was station chief in Congo and in Laos during the Vietnam war and retired from the agency in 1974, said he never used force during interrogations and worried that endorsing such methods might put Americans at greater risk of mistreatment.

But he has watched the tribulations of a younger generation at the agency with sympathy. He can attest not only to the quandary of a field officer directed to take extreme measures, but also to the personal cost that can follow. Because his name got associated with the plot against Lumumba, Mr. Devlin was later told, he himself was made a target for death by both a Black Panther faction and Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, the Venezuelan terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal.

“I can put myself in the shoes of the people who did the waterboarding and who thought they’d get information to save lives,” Mr. Devlin said. “I’ve often wondered: How would I react if I thought I had the man who knows about a bomb?”

The son of an Army colonel and a schoolteacher in San Diego, Mr. Devlin recalls being shaken when he read “Mein Kampf” at the age of 16 and paying 25 cents to hear lectures on foreign affairs at the local Unitarian church.

After serving in combat in North Africa and Europe during World War II, he went to Harvard to pursue a Ph.D. One Sunday afternoon, he was summoned by a professor, William Y. Elliott, a historian and longtime adviser to presidents. Waiting for him was McGeorge Bundy, who went on to be the national security adviser to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. Mr. Bundy urged him to join the recently formed C.I.A. to keep the cold war from turning hot.

His first job was as what C.I.A. calls a “noc,” for nonofficial cover, traveling in the guise of a writer of travel guides. At the age of 38, he landed in the tumult of Congo, where he would be jailed, beaten and narrowly escape death on several occasions.
In September 1960, Mr. Devlin received a cable advising him that he would get an important message from “Joe from Paris.” The envoy turned out to be Sidney Gottlieb, the agency’s club-footed poisons expert, whom Mr. Devlin had met during operations to install listening devices overseas, and who would later become notorious for mind-control experiments using L.S.D.

Mr. Gottlieb said that the assassination had been approved by President Eisenhower but admitted that he had not seen the presidential orders. He explained that the poisons, including the spiked toothpaste, had been chosen to make the death appear to result from natural causes.

“Morally I thought it was the wrong thing to do,” Mr. Devlin said. “And I thought it was a very dangerous thing to do. If I screwed up and brought in the wrong person and it got out that the United States had done this, I had visions of even Africans who didn’t like Lumumba wiping out every white man they could find. It might have cost hundreds of lives.”

Mr. Devlin said he figured that if he refused his orders outright, his C.I.A. bosses would simply call him home and send a more willing replacement. So he listened sagely and hid the poisons in his office safe, scribbling a warning on the box — “just in case someone got in and tried the toothpaste.”

After Mr. Lumumba was executed by opponents in January 1961, Mr. Devlin decided he needed to get rid of the poisons in his safe. He took the box to a rocky stretch of the Congo River where no one was likely to stumble upon it, and tossed it in.

Such episodes aside, he defends the C.I.A’ s achievements in Congo, including support for the rise of Mobutu Sese Seko, who would become a symbol of corruption in his 32-year rule. “We prevented the Soviets from taking over a very large part of Africa,” he said.

Though he retired from the C.I.A., Mr. Devlin stayed in Africa and worked in the diamond business for 12 years, until 1988. His boss was Maurice Tempelsman, a Belgian-American diamond importer best known as the companion of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in the last 15 years of her life.

“Diamonds are a political thing,” Mr. Devlin said. “I knew all the ministers of mines. In short, I was in a better position to negotiate than people who knew a lot about diamonds.” When he came across interesting information, he added, he passed it to his old friends in the C.I.A.

Last year, Mr. Devlin was called back to C.I.A. headquarters to receive an award honoring his career and exchanged a few words with Jose A. Rodriguez Jr., the chief of the C.I.A.’s clandestine service. He has closely followed the news since Mr. Rodriguez came under investigation for giving the order to destroy the videotapes.

“I feel sorry for the guy,” Mr. Devlin said. “I think I know what he’s going through.”


END

One cannot appreciate the complexity of the whole QJ/WIN, ZR/RIFLE subject matter unless the French aspects to the topic are acknowledged. On Friday, Apr. 26, 1968, almost five years after the JFK assassination, Time Magazine ran an article entitled The Sapphire Affair. It was probably the first time many Americans had ever heard of
Philippe Thyraud de Vosjoli.
The article is reproduced here.
http://www.time.com/...,838289,00.html
The Sapphire Affair from Friday, Apr. 26, 1968
One day in the spring of 1962, President John F. Kennedy gave to a special White House courier a note on his personal stationery addressed to French President Charles de Gaulle. In it, Kennedy told De Gaulle that he had good reason to believe that Soviet spies had penetrated the highest echelons of French government — perhaps even the Cabinet — and offered to let De Gaulle's representatives interview his source for themselves. The French counterintelligence agency, SDECE, conducted an investigation that lent substantial credence to the Kennedy contention—but somewhere along the line the investigation was called off and the matter dropped. This week the case comes to light again in the pages of LIFE, where Philippe Thyraud de Vosjoli, the former chief of French intelligence in the U.S., tells a remarkable story of Russian espionage penetration and French apathy.
Kennedy's source turned out to be a top-ranking defector from the KGB. Russia's ubiquitous security apparatus, whose French code name was "Martel." Martel's marathon debriefing in Washington by men from several NATO countries produced evidence that eventually unmasked some 200 KGB agents, including Georges Paques, a Frenchman and senior NATO official, who was imprisoned. When members of the French SDECE began questioning Martel, they were startled by his claims. He said that 1) he had "information pointing to" the presence of a Soviet spy among De Gaulle's closest advisers; 2) at least five French agencies, including the ministries of the Interior, Defense and Foreign Affairs, were infiltrated by espionage agents; 3) a spy nest known to the Russians as "Sapphire" operated freely inside SDECE itself; and 4) KGB agents could deliver any NATO secret from Paris to Moscow within three days.
Sinister Forces. The French intelligence experts, says De Vosjoli, left ashen-faced from their sessions with Martel and reported home with the emphatic finding that Martel knew what he was talking about. But except for the arrest of Paques, SDECE took no steps that Washington could see to flush out the spies. De Vosjoli's superior at SDECE explained that France could not stand a major scandal at a time when it was just recovering from the Algerian war, but De Vosjoli suspected that "other, possibly sinister, forces were the real reason for the inaction." He leaves open to speculation whether it was inside work by Soviet agents, suspicion that the CIA was using the affair to smoke-screen its own activity in France, or mere Gaullist pique.
In any case, SDECE suddenly and inexplicably did a turnabout. It told De Vosjoli to forget about Martel and to set up an apparatus in Washington to collect information relating to U.S. military and scientific matters, including U.S. deployment of ICBMs. When De Vosjoli argued that this course was foolhardy, he was upbraided by his superiors for having played a considerable part in helping the U.S. discover the presence of Russian offensive missiles in Cuba. Alarmed by Paris' new attitude toward the U.S., De Vosjoli resigned his post in disgust.
No Storm. Ironically, a fictionalized but transparent account of the whole affair, written by De Vosjoli's friend Leon Uris, has been on book counters for months in the bestseller Topaz. U.S. diplomats braced for a Gallic storm over it, but none materialized—perhaps because Topaz was not published in France. As of last week, all that the average Frenchman had read of the affair was some chatty, rather unalarmed accounts in the satirical weekly Le Canard Enchaine and a few other papers. Despite the Elysee Palace's determination to live above the tempest, it may not be able to maintain that altitude.
The clear implication of De Vosjoli's piece is that the French intelligence agency and government may still be deeply penetrated by Russian agents.
In 1995, decades after Time Magazine ran the article, Douglas Porch published his book The French Secret Services: A History of French Intelligence from the Dreyfus Affair to the Gulf War.
The book is, without question, indispensable for JFK researchers interested in all things pertaining to various French aspects of intelligence history, from the Vichy Era and Admiral Darlan to Charles de Gaulle, the O.A.S. and the SDECE.

Edited by Robert Howard, 30 September 2008 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2008 - 04:46 PM

Note from Robert...There are at least 4 documents on Thomas Eli Davis at NARA... several of them are classified
124-10011-10187 DAVIS, THOMAS ELI, JR.; SCHULMAN, HOWARD LOEB; DAVIS, THOMAS ELI, III; CHAPLIS, ARTHUR 12/20/63
180-10101-10287 DAVIS, THOMAS ELI, JR.; SCHULMAN, HOWARD LOEB; DAVIS, THOMAS ELI, III; CHAPLIS, ARTHUR 07/18/78
124-10011-10184 KENNEDY, JOHN, SUSPECT, DAVIS, THOMAS ELI JR.
104-10166-10160 CIA FILE ON DAVIS, THOMAS ELI.
119-10021-10342

Thomas Eli Davis, was not the only person arrrested in Morocco.
According to declassified document RIF 104-10003-10052, from Volume 37B of Lee Harvey Oswald’s 201 file, a person named Shulman was also arrested.
See
Incoming Telegram Department of State December 16, 1963 5:43 P.M.
FROM: RABAT
ACTION: SECSTATE 930 PRIORITY
DATE: DEC 16, 7PM
MOROCCAN SURETE AND ARREST OF SCHULMAN IN CONNECTION TO KENNEDY ASSASSINATION
The document is dated December 13, 1963
EMBOFF HAS SEEN SCHULMAN IN RABAT JAIL. MOROCCAN SURETE STATES REASON FOR ARREST SCHULMAN’S STATEMENT TO TANGIER GUIDE THAT
HE WANTED BY US AUTHORITIES IN CONNECTION OSWALD ASSASSINATION KENNEDY. AFTER EXTENSIVE QUESTIONING MOROCCAN POLICE NOW READY RELEASE SHULMAN IF EMBASSY AGREES. MOROCCANS APPARENTLY DO NOT BELIEVE REALLY SCHULMAN REALLY IMPLICATED. EMBASSY, AFTER SCHULMAN
INTERVIEW AND EXTENSIVE PERUSAL HIS PAPERS, ALSO FEELS SCHULMAN REMARK MAINLY RESULT DRUG AND MENTAL PROBLEM MENTIONED REFERENCED
DEPT/WIROM AND PARTLY FACT THAT AS FAIR PLAY CUBA MEMBER IMAGINED REPERCUSSIONS. ALL AVAILABLE EVIDENCE SHOWS NO CONNECTION SCHULMAN WITH DAVIS (TANGIERS 59 TO DEPT). EMBASSY INFORMED MOROOCAN POLICE HOWEVER, TO HOLD SCHULMAN PENDING RECEIPT DEPT. REACTION ASSASSINATION REMARK.

FERGUSON




So, what are the salient points regarding the additional information regarding this document.......
1. Ostensibly Shulman, was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee....
2. There is someone else associated with events in Morocco in this time frame named Arthur Chaplis, in which information is in dreadfully short supply.
3. Shulman is another person in the ersatz "mentally unstable" club....The list keeps growing and growing like the Bunny in those battery commercials, awhile back....


And the big picture is, that according to the general tone of many of these documents regarding the arrests in Morocco, is that its no big deal, someone who knew Jack Ruby was arrested in Morocco and whom Ruby was "worried" about his name being associated with said individual......Then there is Messr. Schulman, he seems to, did I get this right? "confess" to being involved in the Kennedy Assassination, but the above document reassures us, no there wasn't anything to it....
"He was just another one of those mentally deranged Fair Play for Cuba members, who just happened to be in Morocco in the same general time frame that Thomas Eli Davis was...."


Robert...Wow glad we sorted all that out, for a minute it seemed pretty suspicious....lol

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:54 PM

The newest online edition of the Dealey Plaza Echo, Volume 11, Issue 3, contains an article about the Kirknewton Intercepts by
Mark Bridger.
It can be found here.

The Kirknewton Intercept, by Mark Bridger

http://www.maryferre...sPageId=1427279

As more or less an aside to the central topic of the article is the fact that apparently, or supposedly as the case may be, Jean-Rene Souetre "died" in June 2001.
Coincidentally, there is a lot of material floating around on blogs about Souetre's death, these day's.....


If that indeed is the case, it makes one wonder.......with the internet alone, how in the dickens could that have been a secret for seven years?
If anyone reads the article, I am interested in their opinions.....

Edited by Robert Howard, 19 January 2009 - 09:56 PM.





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