To all the 9/11 Official Version Borg elements, with love! Options

[Peter Lemkin]

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/11/...bridge-don.html

These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
~~~
Thomas Paine, 1776

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[Len Colby]

This is the kind of silliness that could only impress a “truther”. Perhaps the BBC worded the article badly. The author of Peter’s page indicated he visited the Cambridge Engineering department site so he should have seen the press release, which said “Dr Seffen's new analysis, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Society of Civil Engineers' Journal of Engineering Mechanics”

“will be” and “forthcoming” as in ‘in the future’ presumably the journal doesn’t list papers that haven’t been published yet. I assume Dr. Seffen and the editor of the journal have better things to do than correspond with misinformed paranoids.

http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/news/stories/2007/twin_towers/

If we go to the current page of the blog it turns out that yes indeed the paper will be published as advertised and is even currently available.

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/

The blogger claims to “have taught college maths” see Peter’s link but since he doesn’t tell us where or even his name there is no way to confirm this. He mocks Seffen’s conclusions but they passed peer review in a prominent journal and are inline with the conclusions of other highly qualified engineers.

EDITED to add: It's amazing how little research is needed to show that most truther claims don't stand up to scrutiny.

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[Evan Burton]

many times I have heard about people rebutting the WTC paper by Bazant & Zhou. Well, how about the 9/11 love-child Dr Jones?

How many academic papers has Bazant submitted for peer review, on the topic of structural engineering? Answer: 251

How many papers has (for example) Stephen Jones Phd (nuclear physics) submitted on that same topic ? Answer: 0

[Peter Lemkin]

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/11/...11-hoax-by.html

Truth is truth no matter who says it and how many publications they have or do not.
Lies are lies no matter who said them and how many publications or high-sounding organizations or sponsors they have behind them. Even when the government says they are true...as history has long borne out!

No part of the official version IMO fits, nor even conforms with the laws of Physics.

I'm not interested in debating if the earth is flat or not. I know it is not. I know the events of 9/11 did NOT happen the way the official version says. Read Scott's The Road To 9/11 if you want to see how 'flat' your official version is.....though there are plenty of other sources, but see no evil, hear no evil like the famous Chinese monkey statues......denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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[Evan Burton]

I'm sorry Peter - I didn't realise you had extensive experience in structural engineering and were able to tell what was the truth and what was not. I believe the multitude of people like Bazant and Zhou, who also have experience in that field, but disagree with you.

[Guest_David Guyatt_*]

This is the kind of silliness that could only impress a “truther”. Perhaps the BBC worded the article badly. The author of Peter’s page indicated he visited the Cambridge Engineering department site so he should have seen the press release, which said “Dr Seffen's new analysis, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Society of Civil Engineers' Journal of Engineering Mechanics”

“will be” and “forthcoming” as in ‘in the future’ presumably the journal doesn’t list papers that haven’t been published yet. I assume Dr. Seffen and the editor of the journal have better things to do than correspond with misinformed paranoids.

Len, it is standard practise for magazine publishers to have put to bed future issues three, four and as far out as six issues ahead of the current one. So "will be" and "forthcoming" are an entirely consistent description.

EDITED to add: It's amazing how little research is needed to show that most truther claims don't stand up to scrutiny.

Oh dear. Would it be accurate to characterise this last sentence as a staggeringly accurate self indictment?

David

[Peter Lemkin]

This is the kind of silliness that could only impress a "truther". Perhaps the BBC worded the article badly. The author of Peter's page indicated he visited the Cambridge Engineering department site so he should have seen the press release, which said "Dr Seffen's new analysis, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Society of Civil Engineers' Journal of Engineering Mechanics"

"will be" and "forthcoming" as in 'in the future' presumably the journal doesn't list papers that haven't been published yet. I assume Dr. Seffen and the editor of the journal have better things to do than correspond with misinformed paranoids.

Len, it is standard practise for magazine publishers to have put to bed future issues three, four and as far out as six issues ahead of the current one. So "will be" and "forthcoming" are an entirely consistent description.

EDITED to add: It's amazing how little research is needed to show that most truther claims don't stand up to scrutiny.

Oh dear. Would it be accurate to characterise this last sentence as a staggeringly accurate self indictment?

David

Time will tell on this math genius and on the offical bull**** version of 911..just as time has exposed the official lies of: sinking of Lusitania; Reichstag Fire; Polish Troops starting war with 3rd Reich; Gulf of Tonkin; Nixon not bombing Loas; Watergate; Dallas 11/22/63; RFK assassination; MLK assassination; Malcolm-X assassiantion; Iran-Contra; NuganHand; Gladio; BCCI; Savings and Loan; Pearl Harbor...and I could go on for another 1000 without cracking a book. You official believers in everything have it so easy...just forget all the other lies the offiicals told and claim the latest is certainly as portrayed...no real investigation needed...only blind defense of the indefensible. Have it your way.....know it of not you are aiding and abetting fascism in the Homeland. Your Earth is 'flat'. Mine is round and you want to engage in a debate...I suggest you start a flat-earth society [911 happened as the government lie said it did] and slap each other on the backs....flags for all....pledge of allegience....even musical chairs to patriotic songs. I don't expect to, nor try to convince you. There are the other Americans and World Citizens to warn of the coming of the 4th Reich out of America. Which side you are on is your business. From where I sit you are on the side of evil and the BIG LIE. Maybe you will see the light, but I doubt it and really don't care. I'm 57 and have health problems and before I die, I'm going to do my part [with every ounce of energy in me!] to stop fascism and no one will stop me...unless they kill me.....and I know what nightly death threats on the phone sound like..I had them....and just had a very suspicous break-in here. Someone in your family [I don't know the details] and many in mine fought against the Nazis and/or were victims. I won't let it happen again....it doesn't matter that this time the scapegoats are not Jewish.....any human as scapegoats for the fascist Borg I will stop....unless and until they stop me. Sorry you are on the wrong side IMO. Flat Earth and Round Earth people have little to discuss - at least I don't have the patience....
Time will tell....but I'm acting NOW as time is very short....sorry you are blind to it. You claim [but I doubt its true] that the government lied about Dallas...but you are on your knees, praying in the direction of your Mecca [DC beltway] to their 'truths'. I DARE you to read Peter Dale Scott's The Road To 9/11. I DARE YOU! But, you don't have the moral courage or intellectual honesty, IMO. You are looking for evidence that the world is flat and Uncle W. Sam is telling the truth.....would be funny if not so serious as the world and our nation on the very edge of a policestate inside and agressive perpetual war and world domination without. I will NOT be a part of this.....nor discuss much with those who will be. My blood pressure is much better only occassionally seeing your nonsense on the flat-Earth theory of 9/11 and other official everything. Your 'logic' 'cheap as bannanas' IMO.
Grow-up and face the facts LKC, the fascists are now our Government - especially the secret part of it...they are now the brownshirts.....soon to be the SS...Blackwater is a good start toward that, as is FEMA, unPatriot Act etc.....I find it very frightening people can be Good Americans, like so many people were Good Germans....but, whatever.....I fight on! I heard a very touching thing of a holocaust survivor in her 80's sitting and watching one of the great new films pointing all this out [I've posted their urls elsewhere] and she kept on saying 'Just what the Nazi did when it all started in the 30s' with tears in her eyes. She now lives in the USA and is watching it all happen again. I have committed my life - what is left of it - to defeat this monster. You, it seems make excuses for them. Shame on you and others like you. She saw the parallels, but they fall on blind eyes and deaf ears with you. We'll see about the BBC [MI5] and the Cambridge Don...but I ain't waiting...there is a war to fight...and we can fight it without you.....in fact I'm not sure I'd trust you to be on 'our' side at this point. I think [at best] you think the the enemy of my enemy is my friend...ie the enemy of the Nazi was the USA and thus they must be the 'good guys'. Xa-XA-Xa don't I wish it were so...you are way behind the 8-ball. The virus of Fascism was around before the Nazis and in the USA and is now all but killed the patient there [America].....and you do nothing....in fact you defend them....your choice...and IMO an very ill one at that....you are on the side of evil and lies, IMO. Time to see the light....sorry, but I must get back to defeating those you defend......

Remember what Pogo said...'we have met the enemy, and the enemy is us!'

All the below were part of official lies and this is a very short list of government overthrows only.......you are blind to the past, so you can expect to be about the present IMO.

If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past century, this is what crawls out ...

invasions ... bombings ... overthrowing
governments ... suppressing movements
for social change ... assassinating
political leaders ... perverting
elections ... manipulating labor unions ...
manufacturing "news" ... death squads ...
torture ... biological warfare ...
depleted uranium ... drug trafficking ...
mercenaries ...

It's not a pretty picture.
It is enough to give imperialism a bad name.

Read the full details in:

Killing Hope: US Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II.

by William Blum


"Far and away the best book on the topic."
Noam Chomsky

"I enjoyed it immensely."
Gore Vidal

"I bought several more copies to circulate to friends with the hope of shedding new light and understanding on their political outlooks."
Oliver Stone

"A very valuable book. The research and organization are extremely impressive."
A. J. Langguth, author, former New York Times Bureau Chief

"A very useful piece of work, daunting in scope, important."
Thomas Powers, author, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist

"Each chapter I read made me more and more angry."
Dr. Helen Caldicott, international leader of the anti-nuclear and environmental movements

Table of Contents
Introduction
1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony
5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy
7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched
11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1
12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography
15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia
17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism
19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine
22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again
23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another
24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA
25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba
27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads
28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno ... and 500,000 others
East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more
32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie
34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead
35. Greece - 1964-1974: "Fuck your Parliament and your Constitution," said the President of the United States
36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat
37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution"
38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2
39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum
44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington
46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty
47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion
50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust
53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad
54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?
56. The American Empire - 1992 to present
Notes
Appendix I: This is How the Money Goes Round
Appendix II: Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-1945
Appendix III: U. S. Government Assassination Plots
Index
_______________________________________________________________

Essays by William Blum
Feel free to disseminate any essays without permission,
but please mention <www.killinghope.org>

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[Peter Lemkin]

http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

for a trashing of the official version....unless you don't want to remove your rose colored-blind-patriot glasses.

[Peter Lemkin]

Here on the first WTC Bombing...then read Peter Dale Scotts new book The Road to 9/11 to piece the two together...they shared many players and intelligence 'guiding hands'....

Who Bombed the U.S. World Trade Center? — 1993

Growing Evidence Points to Role of FBI Operative

By Ralph Schoenman

(published in Prevailing Winds Magazine, Number 3, 1993

Simultaneous with the detonation of an explosive bomb at the World Trade Center in New York on February 26 of this year (1993), FBI investigators were en route to New York.

"Even as office workers were trying to pry their way out of stalled elevators or stagger down smoky stairwells in the wake of a devastating explosion last Friday," wrote Ronald J. Ostrow and Robin Wright (Los Angeles Times, March 3, 1993), under the headline "U.S. Tackling Blast Probe on Unprecedented Scale," "a special team of men and women were leaving FBI headquarters here for the next flight to New York."

Not only the FBI was so prompt. "Thousands of people and dozens of agencies here and abroad sprang into action. ‘I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything bigger, except maybe the Kennedy Assassination,’ said one counter terrorism official."

Officials declared that the vast scale of their "investigation" notwithstanding, "it will take several months (emphasis added) before the forensic aspects are completed," if only because the bombing "could," according to CIA analyst Graham Fuller, "be an operational decision dating back a year that doesn’t have any relationship with immediate events" (Ibid.).

The ink wasn’t dry on the press release before the discovery of the alleged culprit in the bombing was announced by these same agencies within hours of their prior declaration, evincing investigative skills that eclipsed any heretofore in evidence. How was this accomplished?

A REFUND AND A CAR FRAGMENT

"He wanted his money back," begins a story by Ralph Blumenthal under the subheading, "Insistence on a Refund for a Van Led to the Arrest of Blast Suspect" (New York Times, March 5, 1993). Mohammed A. Salameh had returned three times to a Ryder Truck Rental dealer in Jersey City requesting a refund of the $400 cash deposit he had placed on a yellow Ford Econoline van that, he stated, had been stolen the night preceding the explosion.

How then had the authorities linked Salameh’s request to the World Trade Center? It seemed unlikely, "(b)ecause the huge bomb had cored the garage with a crater spanning several parking levels, much of the vital evidence," reported The New York Times in the very story implicating Salameh, "including what remained of the vehicle suspected of delivering the bomb, was … buried under tons of rubble at the bottom."

There appeared to be no possibility of recovering anything of use for a very long time, given the force of the blast. "Top officials, including James M. Fox, assistant director in charge of the FBI’s New York office, and Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, despaired of being able to reach evidence because of the unstable and unsafe conditions underground.

Nonetheless, agents of the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) suddenly came forward with "yellow pieces of a vehicle that appeared to been blown apart with particular ferocity. One of the fragments carried a part identification number."

This discovery supposedly occurred on the Sunday morning following the Friday blast. By the same afternoon, the FBI had identified the presumptive source of the explosion, describing the vehicle as "a model 350 Ford Econoline van, color yellow," tracing it to Ryder Truck Rental (one of the largest lease chains in the United States) and then to a specific Ryder dealership on the property of Rockview Auto Sales, a used-car lot in a section of Jersey City not far from the apartment of Salameh and from the walk-up mosque of a blind Egyptian cleric named Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman. To date, the fragment bearing the serial number has not been produced.

Salameh’s biography was distributed instantly to the media, replete with claimed political sympathies and associations going back years. "Suspect Tied to Islamic Fundamentalist Sect" was the subheading of The New York Times story (Ibid.) whose account of the "evidence" and Salameh’s arraigment without bail before Judge Richard Owen of Federal District Court in Manhattan was breathless, "concluding a tumultuous day in a case that has drawn national attention and … statements by President Clinton, the Governors of New York and New Jersey and other officials."

White House spokesperson George Stephanopoulos confirmed the arrest. Acting Attorney General Stuart M. Gerson followed Stephanopoulos, declaiming, "It’s a remarkable day in the history of the FBI."

DISARRAY AND CONTRADICTORY SIGNALS

Federal and city field operatives seemed less than pleased by the Washington announcements. "the unusual statements virtually preempted announcements by the federal and local investigators in New York working on the case and touched off a flap of angry recriminations. The arrest’s timing brought on another bitter dispute. City law-enforcement officials, bristling for days over what they called news leaks by federal officials, said a New York Newsday report, tracing the van to a rental agency in Jersey City, had forced a premature arrest." Nonetheless, "there was no indication that the newspaper was asked to withhold the article."

The disarray amongst high ranking officials and the contradictory signals regarding the release of politically charged declarations was a tell-tale sign that there were central features of the events about which government officials were seriously concerned and that the authorities wished to conceal.

The New York Times noted that at the Stephanopoulos press conference, Acting Attorney General Gerson became disturbed when asked about the motivations for the bombing. "I don’t know the answer to that," he replied, adding, "and I wouldn’t tell you if I did" (Ibid.), a cryptic reply echoed by FBI Director William Sessions.

The New York Times article was less reticent. Salameh was linked to Sheikh Rahman, to "several radical groups that make up the Egyptian branch of Islamic Jihad," through the Sheikh to "the 1982 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar El-Sadat." To a Brooklyn mosque, Farouq Majid, "noted by investigators in the 1990 assassination of Rabbi Mier Kahane," and to El Sayyid A. Nosair, who had been charged with and acquitted of the 1990 Kahane slaying.

Salameh, days after the bombing, was thus connected in the press to "a wide array of contacts and associations with terrorist organizations." By March 9, The New York Times published a photo of Salameh alongside Nosair at the time of his acquittal of the earlier assassination of Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League and a virulently anti-Arab legislator in Israel.

The authorities "pursued a dizzying array of clues and lessons on fronts raging from Jersey City, N.J., to Brooklyn and to the Mideast." A new "major suspect" was announced, Ibrahim El-Gabrowny, who was said to have ties to Salameh Nosair and was described as "a leading official of a Brooklyn mosque frequented by Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman."

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

A New Jersey storage locker was uncovered, containing "chemicals used for explosives," which the authorities "seized and detonated," a strange way to handle incriminating evidence. Two other apartments were discovered in which "‘other chemicals and electronic equipment were found … linked to Mr. Salameh and others through aliases as well as witness accounts, officials said." (Ibid.)

The authorities were seeking to depict a group of conspirators who had attempted to blow up a skyscraper in Manhattan and then left their various apartments without removing the chemicals, wire or bomb paraphernalia employed in the enterprise. Indeed, it was difficult to understand why they would leave this evidence in so many disparate places.

The explanation was instructive in its scarcely concealed racism. "‘One search is leading to another," said one ranking investigator. ‘But these are nomadic people. While it may lie in the culture, they bounce from place to place. All different people sleep there and stop there, stay a short time, then leave.’" (Ibid)

Several reporters, however, raised the obvious problem with the official scenario. "After five days of frantic activity since Mr. Salameh’s arrest, investigators admit puzzlement over two key questions: the method and the motive. Why, they have asked, "would anyone planning a car-bomb attack lease a vehicle in their own name — as the federal complaint contends Mr. Salameh to have done — even if he planned to claim later that the vehicle had been stolen from him and he had returned on three separate occasions to the rental office to demand a $400 refund?"

"And even if the van had been totally obliterated, officials reason, would not Mr. Salameh’s theft report have attracted attention, at some point leading investigators to him and his same group of associates they are now studying?"

The New York Times acknowledges that "such enigmas caused local investigators to "dismiss Mr. Salameh as perhaps a patsy for others, someone who may have been duped into carrying out the attack and taking the blame."

It soon emerged that the very people who worked at the Ryder rental office which rented the van to Salameh were FBI operatives. "The trap was set for Salameh by FBI agents disguised as employees of the rental outlet. They dickered with Salameh over the deposit, giving him $200 in a partial refund. He was then arrested at a bus stop near the agency"(Los Angeles Times, March 5, 1993).

How then did they conclude that Salameh was directly engaged in the planning, fabrication of the explosives and implementation of the plan? James Fox, Assistant FBI Director in charge of the New York office, informed journalists that the critical piece of evidence was "a telephone number listed on the rental agreement. … Investigators traced the number to an apartment in Jersey City where they found a letter addressed to Salameh as well as the tools and electronic equipment that indicated the presence in this apartment of a bomb maker."

This then was the pivotal evidence leading to the implication of Salameh. In whose name was the telephone number on the rental agreement listed, and who had rented the apartment in Jersey City?

SOMEONE LONG MONITORED BY THE FBI

Both the telephone number and the apartment were listed (on the rental agreement for the Ryder Truck alleged to have contained the explosives), and indeed, the apartment had been rented by "a woman identified as Josie Hadas" (Ibid.). Her name was flaunted, almost as a signal, "the latest name on the mailbox was Josie Hadas… who moved into the apartment before Christmas" (Los Angeles Times, March 7, 1993).

It was during her occupancy of this apartment that the chemicals and bomb components were supposedly stored there. Salameh, moreover, was being "handled" by mysterious others whose relationship to the crucial evidence would become important.

"The authorities say several associates of Mr. Salameh who may have been involved in the bombing have dropped out of sight. … One of the people being sought for questioning is an unidentified man who accompanied Mr. Salameh on two visits to the rental agency. Another is Josie Hadas, whose name was listed for a telephone at an apartment at 34 Kensington Avenue in Jersey City" (New York Times, March 8, 1993). The name placed on the rental agreement as a reference was Josie Hadas.

Under the heading "Possible Tampering by Agent," New York Times reporter Joseph B. Treaster writes, "in a bizarre twist that could potentially complicate the prosecution of the bombers …[f]ederal officials were investigating a report that an agent of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms tampered with some evidence … substituting her name for that of an investigator from another agency. … John O’Brien, a spokesman for the firearms Bureau, acknowledged that one of the bureau’s agents was being questioned. … James M. Fox, the head of the FBI investigation, would not comment on the inquiry about the agent and the evidence"(Ibid.).

"Sources," however, now disclosed to the press that Salameh had been closely monitored by the FBI "long before the bombing occurred. He was … listed in the FBI’s computerized terrorism information system." Officials refused to confirm that "the suspect’s mail had been intercepted or that he had been subjected to physical surveillance, electronic intercepts or other investigative techniques."

Suddenly, the person who was supposedly brought to light because of his fortuitous request for a refund on the van which carried the bomb, emerged as someone long monitored by the FBI and other agencies. Indeed, the authorities now claimed that "the arrest came as the result of one of the largest investigations in the nation’s history."

ISRAELIS’ ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE

Who then was the woman in whose name the telephone and apartment were listed and where the incriminating evidence was "found?" Josie or Guzie Hadas was not unknown. The International Herald Tribune (March 8, 1993) quoted FBI spokesman Joe Valiquette’s familiar response to their reporter’s query about the role of Hadas in the Israeli secret service, Mossad: "Even if it were true, we wouldn’t tell you anyway."

The London Periodical Impact (march 12, 1993 and April 8, 1993) revealed, in an article titled "Who Bombed the World Trade Center," that on February 26, the day the bomb exploded, an Israeli intelligence group sent an urgent communiqué over a telephone access computer network about the event. The communiqué was picked up when it was discovered accidentally on a confidential government "information base" known in the Israeli intelligence community as "Matara," an official source of classified data pertaining to intelligence and security matters.

Either leaked or accessed by news sources, the communiqué states that Israeli Intelligence had advance knowledge of the timing and target of the World Trade Center bombing and that it would be attributed to "known activists from the Occupied Territories."

Three days after the bombing, "Anne," an Israeli operative of the Shin Bet, Israel’s FBI, was cited by journalists in Israel "boasting of Israeli Intelligence capabilities." She stated that Israel had advance knowledge of the bombing, confirming the communiqué disclosed on Matara.

The next day, an Israeli Defense Force spokesperson responded to a direct question from a Jerusalem reporter concerning Israeli governmental involvement in the bombing of the world Trade Center.

The Jerusalem journalist (whose name will be protected here) told Irfan Mirza, the author of the Impact articles, how he had confirmed that "Israeli intelligence knows more about the bombings than they are ever going to disclose at this time."

This author discussed the data with journalist Lorraine Mirza, who confirmed that Irfan Mirza’s investigation led to bomb threats which were taped. He has left London. On March 6, an article in the London Times confirmed that "Israeli intelligence has detailed information" about the World Trade Center bombing, adding that "the FBI has given no explanation as to why Israel has not come forward to the U.S. authorities with information."

Zafar Bangas, editor of Crescent International, an Ontario, Canada-based journal conversant in Islamic politics and one of the most widely read newspapers in the Muslim world, confirmed to this author that Guzie (Josie) Hadas was long-established as a Mossad operative. She had penetrated Islameic circles in New York, as had another intelligence operative, Emad Ali Salem, a colonel in Egyptian intelligence.

Bangas confirmed investigative work of Irfan Mirza concerning the role of Emad Ali Salem. It was he who rented the van in the name of Mohammad Salameh, purchased and disseminated chemical and bomb materials in various apartments and who tipped his employers, the FBI, as to his handiwork.

The serial number released by the ATF after, supposedly, coming upon a metal fragment, nominally buried under five stories and tons of debris, came from "undercover operative, Emad Ali Salem" (Ibid.). Salameh had attempted to report the theft of the van rented in his name previous to the bombing of the World Trade Center. Despite the public impact of the explosion, Salameh, unaware of the significance of the van, showed up asking for the return of the deposit.

ROLE OF EMAD ALI SALEM

On June 24, the FBI arrested eight Muslims alleged to have plotted a series of bombings which would have dwarfed in global impact the bombing of the World Trade Center.

According to the authorities, the detainees — all linked to Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman — had advanced plans to bomb the United Nations, the New York headquarters of the FBI, and the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels. Some reports also mention the Statue of Liberty. Assassinations of New York Senator Alfonse D’Amato and United Nations Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali were in advanced preparation.

The pre-dawn raids, which resulted in the arrest of the plotters, followed months of surveillance. Within hours of the arrests, FBI agents seized documents and tapes from the Sheikh’s residence. Among those arrested was Mahmoud Abouhalima, now declared a suspect, as well, in the World Trade Center bombing.

The Dallas publication, Muslim World Monitor, disclosed on July 4 that Emad Ali Salem was an Egyptian intelligence officer who had entered the milieu of the followers of Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman at the behest of the FBI. He was in attendance at the trial of El Sayyid Nosair, accused in the assassination of Rabbi Meir Kahane, and he offered his services as a bodyguard of the Sheikh.

Salem was "wired" throughout his association with the Muslim followers of the Sheikh. "A high-ranking former Egyptian intelligence officer, he was the informant who provided the FBI with taped conversations and all other evidence" used in the World Trade Center arrests and those of June 24. (Ibid.)

Salem worked with other informants for the FBI, including Mahmoud Zaki Zakhary, who had been reporting regularly to the FBI since January 10, 1990. Between the two, the U.S. intelligence authorities knew every residence, office and meeting which occurred between the Sheikh and his followers for a period of three and a half years.

As Muslim World Monitor explained, "Salem…had them under surveillance long before the February 26 blast took place." He was the source of "plans" to blow up the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the United Nations, other targets and the assassinations. "He has played the role, "concludes the Muslim World Monitor "of agent provocateur."

Defense lawyers for the eight accused assert that their clients were entrapped in schemes of which they were unaware and were subjected to proposals by Salem himself. "Salem was wired before, after and during every meeting. It is known that Salem was involved in the initial discussions, provided the safe houses in which bombs were allegedly manufactured, helped purchase the firearms and other materials that were to be used in the attacks." (Ibid.)

From the time of the El Sayyid Nosair trial, Salem was forever "brashly talking about violent actions and trying to incite people to do ‘crazy things.’ "These "things" were proposed after prior discussion with high-level intelligence authorities in the United States.

SALEM’S TRIAL

Under the headline "New York Trial in Rabbi’s Death Planted an Explosive Seed," the Los Angeles Times (July 4, 1993) confirms the information in the Muslim press with remarkable sangfroid. It cites the role of a "decorated former Egyptian military officer" for the emergence of "a clandestine cell of terrorists who conspired to set off the World Trade Center bomb blast, plotted an unparalleled wave of attacks on U.S. landmarks and political figures and shattered America’s image of invulnerability to terrorism."

The "trail’ left by Salem "led from those courthouse steps to the dramatic raid June 24 on a makeshift bomb factory in Queens, zigzags through militant mosques, rural shooting ranges and seedy safehouses."

It emerges that "critical evidence had been overlooked" by U.S. authorities, even though it was provided to them by "the still-mysterious cooperation of a stranger with Egyptian military medals."

Salem became close to El Sayyid Nosair before the assassination of Meir Kahane, assisting him with finding lodgings and other services. After the assassination of Kahane, Chief of Detectives Joseph Borelli "shrugged off questions about the political implications of the assault." Yet, in a police raid of Nosair’s rented house in Cliffside Park, N.J., they "discovered manuals for building bombs. They found photos of the World Trade Center, the Empire State Building and the Washington Monument and a text advocating terrorists strikes on American soil."

A senior investigator called this collection of documents "a road map" to the World Trade Center. This and attendant documents concerning bombings and assassinations "sat" in police and FBI hands, "untranslated in about 50 storage boxes."

Thus, the FBI had all the documents concerning putative plans to blow up the World Trade Center and all the documents concerning like plans for the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and other targets as early as 1990.

By late summer 1992, "federal investigators … had reports that militant Muslims were scheming to assassinate the Secretary General of the United Nations, Boutros Boutros-Ghali." Their principal informant, Emad Ali Salem, "kept pictures of torture victims among his family albums."

Their informant had arranged "by mid-February, the massive chemical bomb that would kill six and injure more than 1000 at the Trade Center, brewed in barrels hidden in the Jersey City storage unit." All these arrangements were reported by a wired Salem.

"Meanwhile, stored in boxes in an FBI locker, … were the documents that would help unravel a plot to blow up the United Nations, the George Washington Bridge, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the Empire State Building and the Washington Monument."

EXTRAORDINARY ADMISSION

This extraordinary admission that the FBI had advance plans and the full documentation of where to find everyone and everything was blithely reported. Only after the detonation of the bomb in the World Trade Center did "the FBI finally open the boxes." They had been receiving regular reports from "the man they called ‘the Colonel,’ [who] wore a hidden microphone as he moved the inner circle. … There … federal agents heard first-hand as another plot evolved," one promulgated by their own operative and the rationale for the arrests of June 24.

All the while that the U.S. has sounded the alarm about "Muslim Fundamentalist terror," it has funded the Islamic Fundamentalist group in Afghanistan led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who has received to date $3.3 billion in official U.S. aid administered by the CIA. Many of the figures in the Muslim movement in the U.S., including those accused of involvement in the World Trade Center bombing, were among those who organized the sending of CIA arms and funds to Hekmatyar. (See "Late For Work," Prevailing Winds #1.)

The U.S. rulers are terrorizing the American people with operations of their own authorship, deployed as a rationale for "maintaining vast military budgets for devastating assaults upon Iraq, Somalia and targets now on the Pentagon drawing board.


©Ralph Schoenman 1993

[Len Colby]

This is the kind of silliness that could only impress a “truther”. Perhaps the BBC worded the article badly. The author of Peter’s page indicated he visited the Cambridge Engineering department site so he should have seen the press release, which said “Dr Seffen's new analysis, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Society of Civil Engineers' Journal of Engineering Mechanics”

“will be” and “forthcoming” as in ‘in the future’ presumably the journal doesn’t list papers that haven’t been published yet. I assume Dr. Seffen and the editor of the journal have better things to do than correspond with misinformed paranoids.

Len, it is standard practise for magazine publishers to have put to bed future issues three, four and as far out as six issues ahead of the current one. So "will be" and "forthcoming" are an entirely consistent description.

EDITED to add: It's amazing how little research is needed to show that most truther claims don't stand up to scrutiny.

Oh dear. Would it be accurate to characterise this last sentence as a staggeringly accurate self indictment?

David

I'm not really sure what you're going on about. The blogger cried scam because the BBC said the paper 'had been published' (or words to that effect) and then corrected it to 'will be published'. The press release from Cambridge said quite clearly the paper was going to be published. So yes you are correct there is nothing inconsistent with them having said the paper "will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Society of Civil Engineers' Journal of Engineering Mechanics” and not finding it on the journal's website.

It should be noted that the blogger had already acknowledged the paper will be published in February and posted its contents when Peter made his post.

Speaking of Peter it’s amusing to see that true to form he is spaming a thread (this one) with irrelevant material when the argument doesn't go his way.

[Peter Lemkin]

Its my party and i'll do as I want to. I's my thread and I'll post what I want to. I is you trying to spam, quash, naysay, thwart, provocate...that is all you do.....it is your job...paid or not....out of passion, treason or whatever...only you know....but out of the honest pursuit of truth, I find you lacking in the quantum levels. Yes, you parade as out for 'reasonable debate' but it is your mask.... another mask is the [IMO] not liking Bush or saying you think conspiracy in Dallas. You are only here as a provocator. Bye...don't expect a response from me again until the Revolution. [We'll be on opposite sides]. It is pointless debating with you...you don't want debate/ discussion you are here IMO to throttle it down to zip. Well, I won't let you. I'll just keep posting information, and your posts are just your face and 'you chose not to see this post' - I like it like that. Over and out. Don't cry too hard.....I'm sure you'll find someone else to try to keep from speaking the truth.

[Peter Lemkin]

Its my party and i'll do as I want to. I's my thread and I'll post what I want to. It is you trying to spam, quash, naysay, thwart, provocate...that is all you do.....it is your job...paid or not....out of passion, treason or whatever...only you know....but out of the honest pursuit of truth, I find you lacking at the high quantum levels. Yes, you parade as out for 'reasonable debate' but it is your mask for entry to the holloween ball.... another mask is the [IMO] not liking Bush or saying you think conspiracy in Dallas. You are only here as a provocator. Bye...don't expect a response from me again until the Revolution. [We'll be on opposite sides]. It is pointless debating with you...you don't want debate/ discussion you are here IMO to throttle it down to zip. Well, I won't let you. I'll just keep posting information, and your posts are just your face and 'you chose not to see this post' - I like it like that. Over and out. Don't cry too hard.....I'm sure you'll find someone else to try to keep from speaking the truth. There are always those who can see through the games and provocation and want to read the truth and can sense it when they see it. Your very clever at your disruptions - clever enough to fool the mods and admin, I fear. I hope they catch on to your game. Meanwhile I suggest most others ignore this entity as an irrelevant person only out of provocate....but always turning it around. See the recent post on the troll thread..describes you to a tee. Ciao. PS Don't write.

[Craig Lamson]

Its my party and i'll do as I want to. I's my thread and I'll post what I want to. It is you trying to spam, quash, naysay, thwart, provocate...that is all you do.....it is your job...paid or not....out of passion, treason or whatever...only you know....but out of the honest pursuit of truth, I find you lacking at the high quantum levels. Yes, you parade as out for 'reasonable debate' but it is your mask for entry to the holloween ball.... another mask is the [IMO] not liking Bush or saying you think conspiracy in Dallas. You are only here as a provocator. Bye...don't expect a response from me again until the Revolution. [We'll be on opposite sides]. It is pointless debating with you...you don't want debate/ discussion you are here IMO to throttle it down to zip. Well, I won't let you. I'll just keep posting information, and your posts are just your face and 'you chose not to see this post' - I like it like that. Over and out. Don't cry too hard.....I'm sure you'll find someone else to try to keep from speaking the truth. There are always those who can see through the games and provocation and want to read the truth and can sense it when they see it. Your very clever at your disruptions - clever enough to fool the mods and admin, I fear. I hope they catch on to your game. Meanwhile I suggest most others ignore this entity as an irrelevant person only out of provocate....but always turning it around. See the recent post on the troll thread..describes you to a tee. Ciao. PS Don't write.

What, your silly rant needed a replay? Sheesh.... You are looking more like a troll every day.

[Peter Lemkin]

For those who might be interested in the truth, as opposed to being sychophants for the offical lies...you might look here:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?show=13

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[Craig Lamson]

For those who might be interested in the truth, as opposed to being sychophants for the offical lies...you might look here:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

And a spammer too...sheesh!