J.D. Tippit's murder scene? Options

[James Richards]

I was going through some photographs taken at the scene of Officer Tippit's murder and noticed that there was a clipboard, or something similar located on the front passenger's side dash.

The image below shows that object. I was wondering if anyone knows what exactly this is and could that be a photograph pinned to it?

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

James

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[Thomas Graves]

I was going through some photographs taken at the scene of Officer Tippit's murder and noticed that there was a clipboard, or something similar located on the front passenger's side dash.

The image below shows that object. I was wondering if anyone knows what exactly this is and could that be a photograph pinned to it?

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

James

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James,

Fascinating photo! The image on the clipboard does look like a photo of a person, perhaps a mugshot? (BTW, it looks like the passenger's window is rolled all the way up, but hard to say for sure. What do you think? And where in the heck did you find this great photo?)

Thanks,
--Thomas
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This post has been edited by Thomas Graves: May 28 2008, 11:35 AM

[Peter Lemkin]

I was going through some photographs taken at the scene of Officer Tippit's murder and noticed that there was a clipboard, or something similar located on the front passenger's side dash.

The image below shows that object. I was wondering if anyone knows what exactly this is and could that be a photograph pinned to it?

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

James

Great find. I'd bet [were I a betting man] the photo was who Tippit was trying to make contact with earlier and did - to his fatality. I'd love to know what happened to the clipboard and photo [no doubt physical description too] - likely down that very wide DPD rabbit-hole. May well explain how he knew who to stop on the street. Likely a trap for Tippit. For some reason he needed to be sacrificed. Oswald as well. Ruby as well. One wonders about that reported meetings between the three.....IMO having minor involvements in the larger plot, and all patsies - likely not aware of the larger picture and how they were really being manipulated.

This post has been edited by Peter Lemkin: May 26 2008, 05:37 AM

[Peter McGuire]

I was going through some photographs taken at the scene of Officer Tippit's murder and noticed that there was a clipboard, or something similar located on the front passenger's side dash.

The image below shows that object. I was wondering if anyone knows what exactly this is and could that be a photograph pinned to it?

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

James

A viewer writes on Youtube:


"The Acquila Clemmons interview says it all. Two guy including Oswald were involved in killing Tippit. But Acquila says the other guy did the killing, not Oswald. She then states she was threated to keep her mouth shut about it and was never called to testify.

These two witnesses are describing two different guys. Im convinced that Malcom Wallace, a killer for LBJ, did the Book Depository shot with a Mouser rifle. His left little finger print was found there on cardboard. "

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GjiOolyy_0I

[James Richards]

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your replies.

This image below is the uncropped version. I'm not sure what to make of it all but was hoping a forum member may know something about this. Not being familiar with DPD procedures, I can only guess.

Curious though.

James

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[Duke Lane]

I was going through some photographs taken at the scene of Officer Tippit's murder and noticed that there was a clipboard, or something similar located on the front passenger's side dash. ...

It is indeed a clipboard, at least according to W.E. Barnes, a DPD crime scene investigator since 1956, who testified to the WC about the Tippit murder scene. Among other things, he dusted the right door ledge of Tippit's car because he'd been told that the killer had leaned on the door (several "smear prints" were found, but "none of value"), and received empty .38-caliber shells from J.M. Poe.

Here he is interviewed by David Belin regarding this particular photograph, Barnes Deposition Exhibit A:

Q: ... Now I notice on the right-front door window it appears that the vent window was open and that the main window is closed. Is that the way that you found the car when you got there?
A: That is true.
Q: Inside the window there appears to be some kind of paper or document. Do you remember what that is at all, or not?
A: That is a board, a clipboard that is installed on the dash of all squad cars for the officers to take notes on and to keep their wanted persons
Q: Were there any notes on there that you saw that had been made on this clipboard?
A: Yes; we never read his clipboard.
Q: That is the way you saw the clipboard there?
A: That is the way it was.
Q: It appears to be there is a picture of some man on the clipboard. Did you notice whether or not there was any handwriting or any memorandum paper on the board?
A: I couldn't tell you what was on the clipboard.
Q: Anything else about this particular picture, Barnes Deposition Exhibit A?
A: What?
Q: Anything that you can tell us about it that you think might be relevant?
A: Not that I know. (7H273-74)

In Barnes' defense, if not the crime scene search sections or DPD's, he was charged with gathering the evidence at the scene and not with evaluating it, at least insofar as the duties he describes are concerned. Belin did not ask what the disposition of the vehicle or any of its contents may have been, nor did the WC (to my knowledge) attempt to determine who took possession of any the materials in the car, who may have examined them, or what became of them.

The clipboard and its contents (again, to my knowedge) seems to have vanished into thin air, leaving the then-communications supervisor, a DPD sergeant, to respond to a researcher's 1990 question "There was a clipboard in Tippit's car. Do you know where it is?" in this curious manner:

Who said that Tippit had a clipboard? There were no city issue clipboards, and it was not all that common for an officer to have one.

Let's see: a clipboard "is installed on the dash of all squad cars," but "there were no city issue clipboards?" An interesting observation. (I guess, at least, the "who said" part has been resolved!!)

At the outset of Belin's interview with Barnes, Belin stated, "Sergeant Barnes, I am going to hand you some pictures which we will mark as 'Barnes Deposition Exhibits A, B, C, D, and E' on the deposition of Barnes, and I am going to ask you to state whether or not the original negatives from which these prints were made were taken by you?" to which Barnes responded in the affirmative. What is not clear is whether the WC had the actual negatives, or merely prints made from the negatives.

If the former, it should be possible for someone to get an original print from the negative, or at least a near-generation copy, such that they'd perhaps be able to magnify the area in question to gain some hint of what's there. If the former, it is possible that a similar item can be obtained through the Dallas City Secretary's office.

[Duke Lane]

... Negative #016, Dallas Municipal Archives, according to Dale Myers.

[Chris Scally]

... Negative #016, Dallas Municipal Archives, according to Dale Myers.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that what appears to be a "mugshot" attached to the clipboard was, in fact, a metal clip which somehow attached the clipboard to the dashboard or Tippit's car. Can anyone else recall this - I know it has been discussed somewhere before, but I cannot remembe where.

Chris Scally

[Bernice Moore]

Here is a photo from the re-enactment.....showing a clipboard..

View from the rear, uniform and clipboard.....

B...

This post has been edited by Bernice Moore: May 26 2008, 03:45 AM

[Peter Lemkin]

I was going through some photographs taken at the scene of Officer Tippit's murder and noticed that there was a clipboard, or something similar located on the front passenger's side dash. ...

It is indeed a clipboard, at least according to W.E. Barnes, a DPD crime scene investigator since 1956, who testified to the WC about the Tippit murder scene. Among other things, he dusted the right door ledge of Tippit's car because he'd been told that the killer had leaned on the door (several "smear prints" were found, but "none of value"), and received empty .38-caliber shells from J.M. Poe.

Here he is interviewed by David Belin regarding this particular photograph, Barnes Deposition Exhibit A:

Q: ... Now I notice on the right-front door window it appears that the vent window was open and that the main window is closed. Is that the way that you found the car when you got there?
A: That is true.
Q: Inside the window there appears to be some kind of paper or document. Do you remember what that is at all, or not?
A: That is a board, a clipboard that is installed on the dash of all squad cars for the officers to take notes on and to keep their wanted persons
Q: Were there any notes on there that you saw that had been made on this clipboard?
A: Yes; we never read his clipboard.
Q: That is the way you saw the clipboard there?
A: That is the way it was.
Q: It appears to be there is a picture of some man on the clipboard. Did you notice whether or not there was any handwriting or any memorandum paper on the board?
A: I couldn't tell you what was on the clipboard.
Q: Anything else about this particular picture, Barnes Deposition Exhibit A?
A: What?
Q: Anything that you can tell us about it that you think might be relevant?
A: Not that I know. (7H273-74)

In Barnes' defense, if not the crime scene search sections or DPD's, he was charged with gathering the evidence at the scene and not with evaluating it, at least insofar as the duties he describes are concerned. Belin did not ask what the disposition of the vehicle or any of its contents may have been, nor did the WC (to my knowledge) attempt to determine who took possession of any the materials in the car, who may have examined them, or what became of them.

The clipboard and its contents (again, to my knowedge) seems to have vanished into thin air, leaving the then-communications supervisor, a DPD sergeant, to respond to a researcher's 1990 question "There was a clipboard in Tippit's car. Do you know where it is?" in this curious manner:

Who said that Tippit had a clipboard? There were no city issue clipboards, and it was not all that common for an officer to have one.

Let's see: a clipboard "is installed on the dash of all squad cars," but "there were no city issue clipboards?" An interesting observation. (I guess, at least, the "who said" part has been resolved!!)

At the outset of Belin's interview with Barnes, Belin stated, "Sergeant Barnes, I am going to hand you some pictures which we will mark as 'Barnes Deposition Exhibits A, B, C, D, and E' on the deposition of Barnes, and I am going to ask you to state whether or not the original negatives from which these prints were made were taken by you?" to which Barnes responded in the affirmative. What is not clear is whether the WC had the actual negatives, or merely prints made from the negatives.

If the former, it should be possible for someone to get an original print from the negative, or at least a near-generation copy, such that they'd perhaps be able to magnify the area in question to gain some hint of what's there. If the former, it is possible that a similar item can be obtained through the Dallas City Secretary's office.

Q: Were there any notes on there that you saw that had been made on this clipboard?
A: Yes; we never read his clipboard.

Pretty much says it all. The DPD and Sherrif worked long and hard to NOT do a proper investigation into the deaths of Tippit and JFK and to aid in the framing and murder of Oswald. The fix was in before the curtain went up. The clipboard not being in evidence is bad enough - that no one recorded what was on it is more so.
For this case, however, it was typical. Thanks Duke. I realize it is doubtful, but anyone have a clear enough photo to enlarge the image on the clipboard with any clarity? Fat chance.

This post has been edited by Peter Lemkin: May 26 2008, 05:48 AM

[Chris Scally]

... Negative #016, Dallas Municipal Archives, according to Dale Myers.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that what appears to be a "mugshot" attached to the clipboard was, in fact, a metal clip which somehow attached the clipboard to the dashboard or Tippit's car. Can anyone else recall this - I know it has been discussed somewhere before, but I cannot remembe where.

Chris Scally

I knew I'd seen it somewhere - the mind hasn't gone totally, yet....

According to Dale Myers' Tippit Page [http://www.jdtippit.com/html/intro_faq.htm], the clipboard on Tippit's dashboard normally "held a spiral notebook which officers could use to write notes on." According to Myers, "An enlargement of the crime photo referred to by the Commission, however, reveals that the "photograph of a man" is actually the spring, metal clip clutching Tippit's open spiral notebook."

Chris Scally

[Evan Marshall]

I joined Detroit PD in 1969 and we had similar boards that contained a list of stolen cars and we could attach flyers on wanted folks. Additionally, many would attach a spring clip to hold mug shots of wanted people.

I've always been of the opinion that Tippit was murdered to encourage the cops to kill his killer as nothing angered cops more than to see one of their own slain and a dead Oswald in the Theater was have made everything "tidier".

Additionally, I've never been convinced by Oswalds involvement in this event.

This post has been edited by Evan Marshall: May 26 2008, 01:26 PM

[Duke Lane]

... According to Myers, "An enlargement of the crime photo referred to by the Commission, however, reveals that the "photograph of a man" is actually the spring, metal clip clutching Tippit's open spiral notebook."

I can buy into that theory, but would like to see an original print rather than something made up of a bunch of little dots. Guess that means having to go through the Dallas Archives online and hoping to find it, then ordering a print. (sigh)

[Gil Jesus]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that what appears to be a "mugshot" attached to the clipboard was, in fact, a metal clip which somehow attached the clipboard to the dashboard or Tippit's car. Can anyone else recall this - I know it has been discussed somewhere before, but I cannot remembe where.

Chris Scally


Seems to me that the "mugshot" is way below the spring loaded clip, which can be seen at the top of the clipboard.

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[Gil Jesus]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that what appears to be a "mugshot" attached to the clipboard was, in fact, a metal clip which somehow attached the clipboard to the dashboard or Tippit's car. Can anyone else recall this - I know it has been discussed somewhere before, but I cannot remembe where.

Chris Scally


Seems to me that the "mugshot" is way below the spring loaded clip, which can be seen at the top of the clipboard.

Besides, you wouldn't put a clip 1/3 of the way down from the top of the clipboard, would you ? In my experience with police depts., I've never seen a clipboard like that.

To me, that's a wanted poster.