Evan Burton Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 MEDIA ADVISORY: M09-133 NASA BRIEFS MEDIA ON NEW IMAGES OF APOLLO LUNAR LANDING SITES GREENBELT, Md. -- NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has sent back its first images of Apollo lunar landing sites. The agency will release the images Friday, July 17, at noon and hold a teleconference at 2 p.m. EDT to discuss the photos and future plans for the LRO mission. Participating in the teleconference are: Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist, NASA Headquarters, Washington Richard Vondrak, project scientist, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Mark Robinson, principal investigator, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera, Arizona State University To participate in the teleconference, reporters should contact Grey Hautaluoma at 202-358-0668 or Andy Freeberg at 301-286-0746, by noon Friday. To listen to the event online, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio For more information about LRO, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/lro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin M. West Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...pollosites.html Can't wait to see pics once LRO is in a lower orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Well, that's put paid to the Apollo hoax claims. Equipment where it is supposed to be, etc. Amazing you can even see the footprint trail in the Apollo 14 images. Yep - the low orbit images will be amazing. How long before we hear a familiar voice cry "Fake"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Greer Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) Well, that's put paid to the Apollo hoax claims. Equipment where it is supposed to be, etc. Amazing you can even see the footprint trail in the Apollo 14 images. Yep - the low orbit images will be amazing.How long before we hear a familiar voice cry "Fake"? No, they're already claiming they're fake. Which means they should be able to put names to the people who must be "in on it", since the images would have to be received and witnessed in their virgin format before evil NASA henchmen had time to accurately photoshop in some artefacts and tracks. The principle investigator of the LRO LROC team is Mark Robinson, of the School of Earth and Space Exploration, Arizona State University. His email address is mrobinson@asu.edu. (This is all available on the LROC website, http://lro.gsfc.nasa.gov/lroc.html) So, does anyone who believes Apollo was faked (and by extension, the LRO images), have the balls to confront someone who must be "in on it"? How about some of these? http://lro.gsfc.nasa.gov/team.html If not, perhaps you'd like to visit the LROC team? Give them a call. LROC Science Operations Center Interdisciplinary A Arizona State University Tempe, Arizona 85281-3603 If you're an educator or community group you could always arrange a tour. http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/EPO/Tours/tourform.php So how exactly are NASA faking these images without anyone finding out? Edited July 18, 2009 by Dave Greer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 Apollo 11 Apollo 14 images showing footprint trails and SEP Apollo 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 Now, someone also asked about the shadows. A poster on another board, rodionh, made these calculations with Orbiter flight sim: The LM descent stage. Remember this is in the lunar AFTERNOON, so the shadows are in the opposite direction to the lunar surface images taken by the astronauts, which were taken in the lunar morning. Now we pull back, and you see some of the detail. Now, an orbital view of what that would look like: Compare that with the LRO image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I just saw the photos! WHAT A JOKE! It is obvious that NASA made an egregious mistake. The show SHADOWS OF ALL THE LUNAR MODULES. This is ridiculous because THE ASTRONAUTS USED THE LUNAR MODULES TO RETURN, otherwise they would still be on the moon! This will not fool anyone except the public. The modules (which they name on all photos) returned to the orbiter, allegedly. Only thing left behind were the skinny base with pipe legs which would cast miniscule shadows. What a gaffe! They faked all previous photos. These seem to be faked also. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I just saw the photos! WHAT A JOKE!It is obvious that NASA made an egregious mistake. The show SHADOWS OF ALL THE LUNAR MODULES. This is ridiculous because THE ASTRONAUTS USED THE LUNAR MODULES TO RETURN, otherwise they would still be on the moon! This will not fool anyone except the public. The modules (which they name on all photos) returned to the orbiter, allegedly. Only thing left behind were the skinny base with pipe legs which would cast miniscule shadows. What a gaffe! They faked all previous photos. These seem to be faked also. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I just saw the photos! WHAT A JOKE!It is obvious that NASA made an egregious mistake. The show SHADOWS OF ALL THE LUNAR MODULES. This is ridiculous because THE ASTRONAUTS USED THE LUNAR MODULES TO RETURN, otherwise they would still be on the moon! This will not fool anyone except the public. The modules (which they name on all photos) returned to the orbiter, allegedly. Only thing left behind were the skinny base with pipe legs which would cast miniscule shadows. What a gaffe! They faked all previous photos. These seem to be faked also. Jack That Jack White wants to tell anyone anything about shadows is a joke to say the least! Jack White proves he can't figure out how a simple shadow works And then of course there is post 6 in this thread, which also show just how foolish Jack White is when it comes to the basics of photography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin M. West Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I just saw the photos! WHAT A JOKE!It is obvious that NASA made an egregious mistake. The show SHADOWS OF ALL THE LUNAR MODULES. This is ridiculous because THE ASTRONAUTS USED THE LUNAR MODULES TO RETURN, otherwise they would still be on the moon! This will not fool anyone except the public. The modules (which they name on all photos) returned to the orbiter, allegedly. Only thing left behind were the skinny base with pipe legs which would cast miniscule shadows. What a gaffe! They faked all previous photos. These seem to be faked also. Jack Jack, seriously, you should do at least a little bit of research before you speak. The 'base' that was left behind was over 10 feet tall. With the sun near the horizon like it is in these pics, how long of a shadow do you think it could make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yeah, Jack is really grasping at straws with that one. Worthy of a Stundie, I think. For those that don't have the background knowledge, and didn't read the first few posts I made, here is a descent stage. This one is from Apollo 16, taken from the LRV camera which was left behind and functioned by remote control: Now, let's have a look at an astronaut standing next to one: It's not small by any means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Did NASA booboo in saying LUNAR MODULES were left on the moon? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 Jack, You are really embarrassing yourself here. Any high school student can prove you wrong. Height of main descent stage: 10 feet 7 inches / 322.58 centimetres (not including the RC plume deflectors) http://www.ehartwell.com/LM/SCATSystems.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Module http://www.myspacemuseum.com/lmrefb.jpg Let's estimate the sun angle at 10 degrees. I don't have tables to calculate it right now, but it is a reasonable assumption. In a right angle triangle we have: In our example we have: A (sun angle) = 10 degrees a (descent stage height) = 322.58 centimetres b (shadow length) = ???? Therefore: Tan A = a/b therefore b = a / TanA b (in cm) = 322.58 cm / Tan 10 degrees b = 322.58 / 0.1763269807 b = 1829.4420 cm = 18.29 metres or just over 60 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Let's have another look. The width of the LM is 12 feet 10 inches. Let's call it 13 feet. So, roughly, how long is the shadow? The shadow looks to be about 30 feet in length, so the sun angle could be around 20 degrees. Still well within the expected dimensions. Edited July 22, 2009 by Evan Burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin M. West Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Did NASA booboo in saying LUNAR MODULES were left on the moon?Jack It was a lot more than just a platform Jack, it was the descent module. Among other things, it housed the engine and fuel tanks they used to land on the moon. <Offensive remark removed> Edited July 23, 2009 by Evan Burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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