Jack: I suggest that Colby, Burton, and Lamson be hung by their thumbs...all day

[Terry Mauro]

So Andy, why not put your DENIAL away for a moment and tell us all exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" in the above?

As I hope you are intelligent to grasp it is wild conjecture and speculation you are offering us without a smidgeon of evidence to back it up. You are doing it to sustain an extreme right free market position and it is so transparent as to be highly amusing. This is why people here are taking the p**s out of you .

Why do you continue to censor my postings? There is plenty of proof to back the euthanasia charges against the NHS.

Free Market! That's a British game going back centuries.

We promote the American System against the Adam Smith garbage.

[Craig Lamson]

So Andy, why not put your DENIAL away for a moment and tell us all exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" in the above?

As I hope you are intelligent to grasp it is wild conjecture and speculation you are offering us without a smidgeon of evidence to back it up. You are doing it to sustain an extreme right free market position and it is so transparent as to be highly amusing. This is why people here are taking the p**s out of you .

Ah you poor soul Andy. If you could refute them you would but sadly you can't.

I posted a very simple statements of fact. Facts beyond dispute.

I asked you to back you claim they were "unsustained and unsustainable"

They have now warped into "wild conjecture and speculation".

So I'll ask again poor old Andy, exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" and "wild conjecture and speculation" in the following statement?

NHS drs are agents of the British Government,

groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die,

in the name of the British Government".

So come on Mr. Educator, simply answer the question.

[William Kelly]

So Andy, why not put your DENIAL away for a moment and tell us all exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" in the above?

As I hope you are intelligent to grasp it is wild conjecture and speculation you are offering us without a smidgeon of evidence to back it up. You are doing it to sustain an extreme right free market position and it is so transparent as to be highly amusing. This is why people here are taking the p**s out of you .

Ah you poor soul Andy. If you could refute them you would but sadly you can't.

I posted a very simple statements of fact. Facts beyond dispute.

I asked you to back you claim they were "unsustained and unsustainable"

They have now warped into "wild conjecture and speculation".

So I'll ask again poor old Andy, exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" and "wild conjecture and speculation" in the following statement?

NHS drs are agents of the British Government,

groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die,

in the name of the British Government".

So come on Mr. Educator, simply answer the question.

I like the American system better.

Rather than have a bunch of British bureaucrats deciding who lives and dies,

you just check their health insurance and credit, and if they have it

they live,

if not,

Cheeriooo,....

[Jack White]

So Andy, why not put your DENIAL away for a moment and tell us all exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" in the above?

As I hope you are intelligent to grasp it is wild conjecture and speculation you are offering us without a smidgeon of evidence to back it up. You are doing it to sustain an extreme right free market position and it is so transparent as to be highly amusing. This is why people here are taking the p**s out of you .

Please explain to us what p**s means. I don't know.

Jack

[Len Colby]

Being passed over at DPF really has your bean out of joint, doesn't it? Have your professional talents gone to waste? What do you think Redd Foxx would have to say 'bout that?

Translation: It seems Mr. Healy either has information that Ms. Becket(t) applied for and was turned down for membership at the Deep Political Farum, or that he is making an assumption that this occurred. He feels that this is a cause of consternation and envy for Ms. Becket(t) ("your bean out of joint"), and suggests that she is now afraid not being able to be a member there means either that she will not be able to rub elbows with the finest top researchers on earth, or alternatively that she will not be able to practice her intelligence agency tradecraft (presumably in spreading "lone-nutter" disinformation?). Mr. Healy then enigmatically asks what a man who's been dead for some time would say about this situation; presumably this is some obscure allusion to the comedian Redd Foxx as having a foul mouth?

Good translation except I think this part was addressed to me. He keeps bringing up Redd Foxx because I caught him plagiarizing the comic here. He'd would have you believe they played poker together (or something like that)

plagarizing? Redd Foxx? You silly man you, you certainly don't know him or his material as well as you think you do.... and of course that part was for you! What on earth makes you think Ms. Becket is going to waste much of my time (she isn't Wild Bill Millah, ya know - or is she?), you too for that matter?

BTW, NO my Redd Foxx autographs are NOT for sale. See if I impart any more of Redd's poker table witticism to you in the future.

You 'still' shaken from Roland Zavada putting you in your place (concerning an issue on this forum) a few years back? So, how are your thumbs, son? Granted, I felt 'slightly' embarrassed for you, I got over it in 10 seconds though, but thanks for asking.....

and NO Mr. Dunn I'm not a Vegas dealer, spent many, many years there.... and a mighty partake of it's fruits, if you will!... No blushing Ms. Becket(t)!

Oh, no problem, Mr. Healy.

I was totally unaware that Zavada put Len in his place. I would love to read the thread. The only thing I remember Len doing is emailing Fielding:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=55746

Yeah David making claims like these reminds me of what Mark Twain wrote for his autobiography:

"I am grown old and my memory is not as active as it used to be. When I was younger I could remember anything, whether it happened or not; but my faculties are decaying now and soon I shall be so I cannot remember any but the things that never happened. It is sad to go to pieces like this but we all have to do it.”

Other than in Healy's vivid imagination Rollie never “put me in my place” rather he and Fielding put Healy “in his place” when they stated unequivocally what he proposed was not possible.

[Craig Lamson]

So Andy, why not put your DENIAL away for a moment and tell us all exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" in the above?

As I hope you are intelligent to grasp it is wild conjecture and speculation you are offering us without a smidgeon of evidence to back it up. You are doing it to sustain an extreme right free market position and it is so transparent as to be highly amusing. This is why people here are taking the p**s out of you .

Ah you poor soul Andy. If you could refute them you would but sadly you can't.

I posted a very simple statements of fact. Facts beyond dispute.

I asked you to back you claim they were "unsustained and unsustainable"

They have now warped into "wild conjecture and speculation".

So I'll ask again poor old Andy, exactly what is "unsustained and unsustainable" and "wild conjecture and speculation" in the following statement?

NHS drs are agents of the British Government,

groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die,

in the name of the British Government".

So come on Mr. Educator, simply answer the question.

I like the American system better.

Rather than have a bunch of British bureaucrats deciding who lives and dies,

you just check their health insurance and credit, and if they have it

they live,

if not,

Cheeriooo,....

No, actually its the American bureaucrats who decide far more often than insurance companies to deny care. Why sure lets expand that to everyone, sounds like a progressive plan to me.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[Guest]

I posted a very simple statements of fact. Facts beyond dispute.

You seem to struggle to distinguish between 'fact' and opinion.

This is something we 'agents of the British government' employed in education teach 11 year old history students. Do let me know if you'd like to join us.

[Craig Lamson]

I posted a very simple statements of fact. Facts beyond dispute.

You seem to struggle to distinguish between 'fact' and opinion.

This is something we 'agents of the British government' employed in education teach 11 year old history students. Do let me know if you'd like to join us.

Fine Andy, why not just do as you have been asked and point out what parts of this statement are not fact. You seem so sure that even your eleven year old based mind can do so, yet time and time again you try and shift away from this simple task. What are you afraid of? That DENIAL habit must be really hard to break.

"NHS drs are agents of the British Government,

groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die,

in the name of the British Government".

Surely this can't be that hard for a man of your obviuous education and stature not can it?

[Guest]

You're a buffoon but a persistent one

NHS drs are agents of the British Government No they are not - they follow standards of professionalism laid down by their own independent professional associations groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die

in the name of the British Government. No the aim of health care is to preserve and extend life. We also have laws against murder in this country

FACTS can be supported by evidence and you do not have any to support your perverse and wild accusations about the UK medical profession.

[Craig Lamson]

You're a buffoon but a persistent one

NHS drs are agents of the British Government

No they are not - they follow standards of professionalism laid down by their own independent professional associations

Are they paid by and work for the professional associations or the British government? Why the British Government of course! Agents!

Evidence you ask? http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die

in the name of the British Government.

No the aim of health care is to preserve and extend life. We also have laws against murder in this country

Wrong again...sheesh that brain of yours is such a mess....must be from all of those years of you being a ward of the state.....

Evidence you ask? http://www.liv.ac.uk/mcpcil/liverpool-care...-LCP-LCP002.pdf

I REALLY like this passage...kind of puts the entire argument in a nice little nutshell...."promotes COST EFFECTIVE healthcare..."

FACTS can be supported by evidence and you do not have any to support your perverse and wild accusations about the UK medical profession.

Yes they can Andy,and you have NONE on your side. Thats why you can't refute the simple facts in this statement.

NHS drs are agents of the British Government,

groups of these agents get together and decide when a Patient/Subject will die,

in the name of the British Government.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[Guest]

This is fatuous even by your standards Craig. But for your information and with a due sense of weariness;

The majority of doctors in the UK are employed by bodies called Primary Care Trusts which are free standing organisations with their own boards of directors, budgets and staff.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1078.aspx?Cate...bCategoryID=153

Doctor's professional behaviour is managed and monitored by the General Medical Council which is subject to both British and European Law. If you can be bothered you can learn more about them and their role here -

http://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/index.asp

Not even by dint of a leap in your deranged imagination could they ever be accurately described as 'government agents'. We have covered your insane ramblings about UK palliative care elsewhere on the forum and I see no need to prolong your agony here. You are wrong.... move on to something of which you have more knowledge for there can surely be little of which you have less knowledge.

If you wish to continue to make a fool of yourself here be my guest but you will be talking to yourself.

[Craig Lamson]

This is fatuous even by your standards Craig. But for your information and with a due sense of weariness;

The majority of doctors in the UK are employed by bodies called Primary Care Trusts which are free standing organisations with their own boards of directors, budgets and staff.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1078.aspx?Cate...bCategoryID=153

Doctor's professional behaviour is managed and monitored by the General Medical Council which is subject to both British and European Law. If you can be bothered you can learn more about them and their role here -

http://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/index.asp

Not even by dint of a leap in your deranged imagination could they ever be accurately described as 'government agents'. We have covered your insane ramblings about UK palliative care elsewhere on the forum and I see no need to prolong your agony here. You are wrong.... move on to something of which you have more knowledge for there can surely be little of which you have less knowledge.

If you wish to continue to make a fool of yourself here be my guest but you will be talking to yourself.

Poor Andy, you can't read yet you teach! Look back a few posts and you will see I already excluded Pc doctors from this discussion, and as a final point they are NOT NHS Dr's. Besides that Andy, is a PCT a governmetal department or not? Why of course itis, it is authorized to act for the British Government.

And who sets the accepted treatments Mr. Walker? Is it the GNC, or any of the other professional orginazations? Of course not. It's the BRITISH GOVERNMENT! NHS Dr's are BOUND by this treatment schedule, as long as they work for the NHS. They are AGENTS of the government pure and simple.

Lets see how well ol Andy, Mr. Educator, does when we search the word Agent...

:one who is authorized to act for or in the place of another

Wow, perfectly describes an NHS dr.!

The fool here is Andy Walker, guilty as sin of intellectual dishonesty of the highest order.

Your vaunted HNS has taken to finding "COST EFFECTIVE healthcare" in it's ending of life of the subjects of the UK.

So move along, your weakness has been duly exposed.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[Jack White]

Thanks to all for keeping this topic at the top of the board. Excellent suggestion in the heading.

Jack

[Craig Lamson]

Thanks to all for keeping this topic at the top of the board. Excellent suggestion in the heading.

Jack

Thanks for writing the original, it shows just how sick you really are.

[Len Colby]

Thanks to all for keeping this topic at the top of the board. Excellent suggestion in the heading.

Jack

You're most welcome Jack, surprised though that you appreciate looking like an <removed>.

Edited October 19, 2009 by Evan Burton
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