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#1 Wim Dankbaar

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Posted 03 September 2004 - 10:53 AM

Here is a film:


It says (in the text below the movie, when it runs) that on the night of november 21, 1963, Johnson and JFK had a heated argument in the Hotel Texas Ft. Worth. That Johnson insisted that his friend John Connally ride with him (LBJ) in the rear vehicle. That Kennedy refused and was furious.

Is there any source or merit to this story?


#2 John Simkin

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Posted 03 September 2004 - 02:35 PM

LBJ did indeed want John Connally and Ralph Yarborough to change places in the two cars. Connally refused as it would have given his much hated rival (Yarborough was the leader of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party) extra status. It has been said that this proves that Connally was not involved in the assassination plot. Some people have argued that LBJ was trying to save Connally being killed in the assassination attempt. The two were old friends and LBJ owed him a favour. Connally used to run LBJís political campaigns. In 1948 he was accused of being involved in a voting scandal when 200 votes for Johnson arrived late from Jim Wells County. It was these votes that gave Johnson an eighty-seven-vote victory.

#3 Pat Speer

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 07:34 AM

Connally himself downplayed this theory, insisting that the feud had already blown over--after JFK insisted that LBJ and Yarbrough make nice and ride together. But I'm not so sure that fully clears LBJ. For it can be pointed out that Connally yelled "My God, THEY'RE going to kill us all," and that even though he kept the peace with his wife by deferring to her opinion about the order of the shots, he nevertheless insisted quite illogically that the Warren Commission got it right.

Similarly, while Posner et al insist Connally's movements from Z-150--Z-190 are indicative that he heard a shot, it's just as likely, due to the fact that NO ONE else seems to have heard this shot, that he was anxiously looking back and forth in anticipation of a shot he knew was coming.

Additionally, in his autobio Connally engages in a little obfuscation (Larry's word). While insisting that the WC was right, except about the order of the shots, he suggests that Oswald's fine shooting can be explained by the fact that he had been seen at numerous rifle ranges practicing. This supposition is of course refuted by the fact that Oswald did not have access to his rifle during this period, and that the WC rejected that any of the range-shooters were Oswald (as that would entail an accomplice to hold onto his rifle between practice sessions.)

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