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#121 Dawn Meredith

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:25 PM

Dawn Meredith posts about her delight over the anticipated participation of Jeff Morley.:

https://deeppolitics...66753#post66753

Jeff Morley certainly was not pleased with the details in my post on the only opportunity he allowed me to post.
http://jfkfacts.org/...-week/#comments
TJ Scully
February 19, 2013 at 5:36 am

".....of Thomas J. Devine, and that Devine met in May, 1963, with George Bush’s close friend Edward G Hooker’s business partner, George DeMohrenschildt, the man described as Lee Harvey Oswald’s closest companion? Imagine if former CIA agent and George Bush petroleum partner Thomas J. Devine was asked about such coincidences by a bevy of news reporters, and even about the coincidence of Thomas J. Devine residing in a small M.I.T. fraternity house for four years with Garry Coit, the CIA agent who informed the HSCA that he was Priscilla Johnson’s CIA contact?"

".....jeffmorley
February 19, 2013 at 7:15 am
I actually doubt that. Yes, government officials and CIA officers have intersecting social graphs. That is not evidence, much less proof of a conspiracy....."

I was under the impression that Mr. Morley was a journalist.

Subsequently he devoted two recent articles to the dismissal of any inquiry of a Bush role.:

http://jfkfacts.org/...aith/#more-3913
Bush’s bad faith
Jeff Morley
"After more than forty comments, I remain thoroughly unimpressed with the claim that George H.W. Bush was somehow (it is still not specified how) had some role (what role?) in the assassination of JFK. More prudent readers say Bush covered up the truth during his one year tenure as CIA director in 1976-77.
The few factoids offered in rebuttal to my post would not sway the average interested citizen, much less a jury. But one is worth noting.
–Bush was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. So were a couple of hundred thousand other people;...."


46 comments posted to that article. Bob Morrow was approved to post three of them. My two comments have been awaiting approval since April 1.
I expect I will have a long wait.

http://jfkfacts.org/...spiracy-theory/
About that lame Bush conspiracy theory

March 29, 2013
(Don't you love Morley's evenhandedness in his choce of a title?)
Jeff Morley
"The notion (it hardly even qualifies as a theory) that the first President Bush was somehow complicit in JFK’s death
is often heard in the comments section of this site. Exactly how he was involved is never explained....."


62 comments.... Twelve of the approved comments were posted by Bob Morrow. I had not seen the article so I had not attempted to comment.

So, what is your secret, Robert Morrow?

Considering that I suspect my recent research results in this area indicate to me that I am "getting warm," I find Mr. Morley, "the journalist" to be conducting
himself in a troubling and very curious manner. Then again, he's the guy with the resume and I am just an insignificant person who has never passed a
gate he did not want to open. Are all the gates supposed to be kept closed?
Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible ... - Page 541

55]
books.google.com/books?isbn=1608191923
Russ Baker - 2010 - Preview - More editions
Beth Healy and Michael Kranish, “Harvard Invested Heavily in Harken,” Boston Globe, October 30, 2002. ... In 1989, following Poppy's inauguration as president, and while Harvard was deeply involved with Harken and George W., Robert G. Stone was elected to the board of a large, private, ... Both Russell Reynolds and Jonathan Bush had been lead fundraisers for Poppy Bush's presidential campaign.



In 1940 David Rockefeller married Margaret McGrath. They were husband and wife until her death in 1996. In 1959 Frank A. Vanderlip, Jr. married McGrath Rockefeller's sister.http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/27/obituaries/frank-vanderlip-philanthropist-and-investment-banker-at-86.html

Frank Vanderlip, Philanthropist And Investment Banker, at...
‎New York Times - Apr 27, 1993
He and his second wife, Dr. Neva Eileen McGrath, built the Beechwood Theater for the Scarborough School on the former family estate, Beechwood,...

http://news.google.c...vanderlip&hl=en
Sims .Mcgrath .
‎Bangor Daily News - Dec 11, 1998
1 2,1918, he was the son of Francis Sims and Neva Smith) mcgrath Mr. ... His two sisters, Margaret mcgrath Rockefeller and Eileen mcgrath Vanderlip; and at...
In Russ Baker's book, "Family of Secrets", he details the background of Robert G. Stone, Jr., son-in-law of Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller.
Baker wrote that Stone, Jr. was rewarded for his collaboration with Alan Quasha in the financial bailout of GW Bush by Stone Jr. obtaining a directorship at Russ Reynold's Greenwich Exec. search firm, co-directed by Jonathan Bush.

Interesting details I can add to these relationships are that Russ Reynolds' father and mother were feted at a 1929 wedding dinner hosted at the home of Vanderlip, Jr. Vanderlip Jr. was reported in 1966 to have been chosen by William Quasha as the godfather of Alan Quasha's sister, Jill, and Alan Quasha married the daughter of Nelson Rockefeller protege, William Ronan.

VIRGINIA D. CARTER ENGAGED tO MARRY; Her Troth to RS Reynold...

- New York Times - Feb 11, 1929
The announcement was made last night at a dinner given by Frank A. Vanderlip Jr. at the home of his parents, 912 Fifth Avenue. Miss Carter is the daughter...

74 Debutantes Introduced to Society At 33d Christmas...
‎ - New York Times - Dec 21, 1968
... the Union Club by Mr. and Mrs. Frank A. Vanderlip Jr. for Mr. Vanderlip's goddaughter, Miss Jill Quasha, and his niece, Miss Narcissa Cox Vanderlip 2d,...


Star News, Monday, November 18, 1974, Page 6

newspaperarchive.com › ... › Star NewsMonday, November 18, 1974
Nov 18, 1974 – ... the zoo gift shop WASHINGTON A William J Ronan told Congress today there was nothing sinister involved in in gifts to him from Vice Nelson


Once Upon a Secret: My Affair with President John F. Kennedy and ... - Page 173

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Mimi Alford - 2013 - Preview - More editions
My sister, for one, didn't see anything shameful in my secret. With Marnie I got a vivid flashback to the girl I w as back then in |963ga young woman suffieiently lively and winsome to attract the President of the United States. I had literally ...

I found that Alford wrote that her best, lifelong friend and confidante was Marion "Marnie" Stuart Pillsbury.:
http://educationforu...48

Mrs. Pillsbury has an interesting background; daughter of Gerald Ford's "America First" cofounder Robert Douglas Stuart, Jr., Pillsbury has been "has been the Executive Director of The David Rockefeller Fund and Philanthropic Advisor to Mr. Rockefeller since 1990...."




http://educationforu...300#entry271096
Dulles and his cohorts (posted extensively by Tom Scully)
Had their own agenda for Amerika .
Justice should have been served at Nuremburg not bypassed
For power everlasting.
Keepin it in the "family" how many Bushes went to Veitnam?.
I bet more went to the Whitehouse!.

..............................

So the more we learn, the more we come to appreciate how foolish it is to put too little or too much importance on a minor player like Edwin A. Walker or give
Allen Dulles any benefit of the doubt. I think it is safe to say that Lee Harvey Oswald was put through a discrediting process the mirror opposite of, and possibly
by the same Rockefeller-Bush-Dulles (the Macomber brothers succeeding Dulles in the processing of GW Bush)
that transformed GW Bush from a failure to
a governor and then POTUS, in record time.

.

What say you, Jeff Morley? I want to think you have simply taken a routine, personal dislike of my writing style, a gushing admiration for the contributions of
Robert Morrow on your site, and you are an openminded professional, but I am not getting that impression from you. I predict you'll find little in this area of
interest until you dislodge whatever that is on your shoulder.



Yes I posted. We are hoping he will grow. Learn. Change his mind on many subjects.
Is this a problem?
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

Jim i must disagree with you on Bush Sr. and the C.I.A
look at this

The CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs Invasion of April 1961 was "Operation Zapata
President Bush help to start Zapata Oil

Two of the ship involved was Huston where President Bush lived the other was named Barbara same name as his wife

There is the famous Bush CIA memo where it talks about a Mr George Bush.
Now which George bush was it talking about was a low level employee at the time of the assassination and would not have access to the Cuban population in Florida or the other George Bush furture President of the United States




You are quite misinformed "Operation Zapata" was named after the landing site on the Zapata Peninsula near the eponymous swamps, A previous plan was named “Operation Trinidad” after the landing site near the town of Trinidad. Barbara Pierce did not have a middle name and it seems the ship was already named the 'Barbara J.' when acquired by the CIA, it was codenamed 'Barracuda' for the BoP.

As for the memo, you need to reread it.

PS – Who is “Jim”?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:02 PM


Jim i must disagree with you on Bush Sr. and the C.I.A
look at this

The CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs Invasion of April 1961 was "Operation Zapata
President Bush help to start Zapata Oil

Two of the ship involved was Huston where President Bush lived the other was named Barbara same name as his wife

There is the famous Bush CIA memo where it talks about a Mr George Bush.
Now which George bush was it talking about was a low level employee at the time of the assassination and would not have access to the Cuban population in Florida or the other George Bush furture President of the United States




You are quite misinformed "Operation Zapata" was named after the landing site on the Zapata Peninsula near the eponymous swamps, A previous plan was named “Operation Trinidad” after the landing site near the town of Trinidad. Barbara Pierce did not have a middle name and it seems the ship was already named the 'Barbara J.' when acquired by the CIA, it was codenamed 'Barracuda' for the BoP.

As for the memo, you need to reread it.

PS – Who is “Jim”?


Len,

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

(quote name='Tom Scully' timestamp='1365394655' post='271178')
Dawn Meredith posts about her delight over the anticipated participation of Jeff Morley.:

https://deeppolitics...66753#post66753

Jeff Morley certainly was not pleased with the details in my post on the only opportunity he allowed me to post.
http://jfkfacts.org/...-week/#comments
TJ Scully
February 19, 2013 at 5:36 am

".....of Thomas J. Devine, and that Devine met in May, 1963, with George Bush’s close friend Edward G Hooker’s business partner, George DeMohrenschildt, the man described as Lee Harvey Oswald’s closest companion? Imagine if former CIA agent and George Bush petroleum partner Thomas J. Devine was asked about such coincidences by a bevy of news reporters, and even about the coincidence of Thomas J. Devine residing in a small M.I.T. fraternity house for four years with Garry Coit, the CIA agent who informed the HSCA that he was Priscilla Johnson’s CIA contact?"

".....jeffmorley
February 19, 2013 at 7:15 am
I actually doubt that. Yes, government officials and CIA officers have intersecting social graphs. That is not evidence, much less proof of a conspiracy....."

I was under the impression that Mr. Morley was a journalist.

Subsequently he devoted two recent articles to the dismissal of any inquiry of a Bush role.:

http://jfkfacts.org/...aith/#more-3913
Bush’s bad faith
Jeff Morley
"After more than forty comments, I remain thoroughly unimpressed with the claim that George H.W. Bush was somehow (it is still not specified how) had some role (what role?) in the assassination of JFK. More prudent readers say Bush covered up the truth during his one year tenure as CIA director in 1976-77.
The few factoids offered in rebuttal to my post would not sway the average interested citizen, much less a jury. But one is worth noting.
–Bush was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. So were a couple of hundred thousand other people;...."


46 comments posted to that article. Bob Morrow was approved to post three of them. My two comments have been awaiting approval since April 1.
I expect I will have a long wait.

http://jfkfacts.org/...spiracy-theory/
About that lame Bush conspiracy theory

March 29, 2013
(Don't you love Morley's evenhandedness in his choce of a title?)
Jeff Morley
"The notion (it hardly even qualifies as a theory) that the first President Bush was somehow complicit in JFK’s death
is often heard in the comments section of this site. Exactly how he was involved is never explained....."


62 comments.... Twelve of the approved comments were posted by Bob Morrow. I had not seen the article so I had not attempted to comment.

So, what is your secret, Robert Morrow?

Considering that I suspect my recent research results in this area indicate to me that I am "getting warm," I find Mr. Morley, "the journalist" to be conducting
himself in a troubling and very curious manner. Then again, he's the guy with the resume and I am just an insignificant person who has never passed a
gate he did not want to open. Are all the gates supposed to be kept closed?
Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible ... - Page 541

55]
books.google.com/books?isbn=1608191923
Russ Baker - 2010 - Preview - More editions
Beth Healy and Michael Kranish, “Harvard Invested Heavily in Harken,” Boston Globe, October 30, 2002. ... In 1989, following Poppy's inauguration as president, and while Harvard was deeply involved with Harken and George W., Robert G. Stone was elected to the board of a large, private, ... Both Russell Reynolds and Jonathan Bush had been lead fundraisers for Poppy Bush's presidential campaign.



In 1940 David Rockefeller married Margaret McGrath. They were husband and wife until her death in 1996. In 1959 Frank A. Vanderlip, Jr. married McGrath Rockefeller's sister.http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/27/obituaries/frank-vanderlip-philanthropist-and-investment-banker-at-86.html

Frank Vanderlip, Philanthropist And Investment Banker, at...
‎New York Times - Apr 27, 1993
He and his second wife, Dr. Neva Eileen McGrath, built the Beechwood Theater for the Scarborough School on the former family estate, Beechwood,...

http://news.google.c...vanderlip&hl=en
Sims .Mcgrath .
‎Bangor Daily News - Dec 11, 1998
1 2,1918, he was the son of Francis Sims and Neva Smith) mcgrath Mr. ... His two sisters, Margaret mcgrath Rockefeller and Eileen mcgrath Vanderlip; and at...
In Russ Baker's book, "Family of Secrets", he details the background of Robert G. Stone, Jr., son-in-law of Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller.
Baker wrote that Stone, Jr. was rewarded for his collaboration with Alan Quasha in the financial bailout of GW Bush by Stone Jr. obtaining a directorship at Russ Reynold's Greenwich Exec. search firm, co-directed by Jonathan Bush.

Interesting details I can add to these relationships are that Russ Reynolds' father and mother were feted at a 1929 wedding dinner hosted at the home of Vanderlip, Jr. Vanderlip Jr. was reported in 1966 to have been chosen by William Quasha as the godfather of Alan Quasha's sister, Jill, and Alan Quasha married the daughter of Nelson Rockefeller protege, William Ronan.

VIRGINIA D. CARTER ENGAGED tO MARRY; Her Troth to RS Reynold...

- New York Times - Feb 11, 1929
The announcement was made last night at a dinner given by Frank A. Vanderlip Jr. at the home of his parents, 912 Fifth Avenue. Miss Carter is the daughter...

74 Debutantes Introduced to Society At 33d Christmas...
‎ - New York Times - Dec 21, 1968
... the Union Club by Mr. and Mrs. Frank A. Vanderlip Jr. for Mr. Vanderlip's goddaughter, Miss Jill Quasha, and his niece, Miss Narcissa Cox Vanderlip 2d,...


Star News, Monday, November 18, 1974, Page 6

newspaperarchive.com › ... › Star NewsMonday, November 18, 1974
Nov 18, 1974 – ... the zoo gift shop WASHINGTON A William J Ronan told Congress today there was nothing sinister involved in in gifts to him from Vice Nelson


Once Upon a Secret: My Affair with President John F. Kennedy and ... - Page 173

books.google.com/books?isbn=0812981340
Mimi Alford - 2013 - Preview - More editions
My sister, for one, didn't see anything shameful in my secret. With Marnie I got a vivid flashback to the girl I w as back then in |963ga young woman suffieiently lively and winsome to attract the President of the United States. I had literally ...

I found that Alford wrote that her best, lifelong friend and confidante was Marion "Marnie" Stuart Pillsbury.:
http://educationforu...48

Mrs. Pillsbury has an interesting background; daughter of Gerald Ford's "America First" cofounder Robert Douglas Stuart, Jr., Pillsbury has been "has been the Executive Director of The David Rockefeller Fund and Philanthropic Advisor to Mr. Rockefeller since 1990...."



(quote name='Ian Kingsbury' timestamp='1365337627' post='271075')
http://educationforu...300#entry271096
Dulles and his cohorts (posted extensively by Tom Scully)
Had their own agenda for Amerika .
Justice should have been served at Nuremburg not bypassed
For power everlasting.
Keepin it in the "family" how many Bushes went to Veitnam?.
I bet more went to the Whitehouse!.
(/quote)
..............................

So the more we learn, the more we come to appreciate how foolish it is to put too little or too much importance on a minor player like Edwin A. Walker or give
Allen Dulles any benefit of the doubt. I think it is safe to say that Lee Harvey Oswald was put through a discrediting process the mirror opposite of, and possibly
by the same Rockefeller-Bush-Dulles (the Macomber brothers succeeding Dulles in the processing of GW Bush)
that transformed GW Bush from a failure to
a governor and then POTUS, in record time.

.

What say you, Jeff Morley? I want to think you have simply taken a routine, personal dislike of my writing style, a gushing admiration for the contributions of
Robert Morrow on your site, and you are an openminded professional, but I am not getting that impression from you. I predict you'll find little in this area of
interest until you dislodge whatever that is on your shoulder.
(/quote)


Yes I posted. We are hoping he will grow. Learn. Change his mind on many subjects.
Is this a problem?
Dawn


No Dawn, not at all. When it comes to investigating and reporting on details and official conclusions related to the Kennedy Assassination, most journalists seem to be gatekeepers. If I was performing in that role, I cannot think of a better way than to set
up a website purported to feature "the facts" and then do what I've outlined in my example. I would also welcome the participation on my site of "LBJ did it" "researchers". I would dismiss leads. IMO, Jeff Morley had been given details influencing him to seek comment from Rockefeller cousin and Garry Coit roommate, Thomas Devine.

That is not going to happen because Morley believes these guys have a tendency to move in the same social circles.

I've given you a heads up, Dawn, and you seem to agree that Jeff Morley needs to iron out some wrinkles. I am satisfied now that you know that.

................................................................
Recently I came upon Hugo G. Koehler, Jr.. His father was quite a character, and was the step-father of Claiborne Pell. This wedding party provided my access.:
SALLY WOODBURY BRIDE IN SUBURBS; Sister Honor Maid at ...

New York Times - Dec 9, 1951
The ushers were James G. Woodbury, brother of the bride; Lieut. ... R. L; Hugo G.' Koehler of New York, James K.- Donaldson of Washington, Shepard Sykes ...
Mr. Handy attended the Berkshire School in Sheffield, Mass., and was graduated

I am interested because James K. Donaldson was also listed as an usher in this 1955 wedding.:
Diplomats' Kin Usher at Barbara Pullman's Wedding Today

Chicago Tribune - Oct 1, 1955
... and Lt. James-K. Don. aldson of the marines, who is the stepson of James H. ... broth- ers of the bride; Thomas Devine of Midland, Tex., Andre Rhe- ault and ...


Did the C.I.A. "Sheep Dip" and Orchestrate the Tale of the Patsy ...

educationforum.ipbhost.com › ... › JFK Assassination DebateMay 17, 2012 – James K. Donaldson's mother, Elinor Thompson Donaldson Douglas, (stepmother of ... Pakistan, July 31, (UPI! .... building ventures conducted by Rodman Rockefeller and his IBEC Housing Corporation and Willard Garvey ..
An Uncommon Man: The Life & Times of Senator Claiborne Pell - Page 214


Hugo G. Koehler; NY businessman, kin of Sen. Pell

Providence Journal - Aug 15, 1990
Mr. Koehler spent his career in the investment business. ... For many years he was manager of Train, Smith Counsel Inc. He was a graduate of St. Andrew's .
Miss Alexandra Mills Is Bride of TJ Devine

New York Times - Apr 15, 1973
Miss Alexandra Mills, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Samuel Wynne Mills of Locust ... William B. Macomber Jr., United States. Ambassador to Turkey, was best man. ... Mr. Devine is with Train, Cabotj Inc.; a private New York investment concern.

Bell Aircraft Promotes Aide

‎New York Times - Jun 16, 1959
Dr. Walter R. Dornberger, rocket and space specialist, was elected a vice ... Rico, Inc., and George D. O'Neill, vice presi-[ dent of the Equity Corporation,] which .

http://www.meriwethe...l.net/about.htm GEORGE D. O'NEILL
Mr. O'Neill is the founder of Meriwether and has been active in the firm since its inception in 1976. Prior to the formation of Meriwether, Mr. O'Neill held various positions with several financial institutions including Train, Cabot & Associates, Equity Corporation and Chase Manhattan Bank. Mr. O'Neill has served as a director of many companies including Rockefeller Group, Inc., Bell Aircraft and Wheelabrator. He was formerly a Commissioner of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Mr. O'Neill is a graduate of Harvard University..........................................

Abby Rockefeller Mauzé - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Rockefeller_MauzéAbigail "Abby" Rockefeller Mauzé (November 9, 1903 – May 27, 1976) ... Abby Rockefeller Milton, married George Dorr O'Neill; Marilyn Rockefeller Milton, ..



#125 Robert Morrow

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    I would bet my house, my car, and my bank account that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer for Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denying the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The Clinton thugs then stole the tapes. Watch the "New Clinton Chronicles" and go to minute 48 for the Gary Johnson interview.

Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:56 AM

Some folks have not figured out that the participation of Lyndon Johnson and GHW Bush in the JFK assassination are not mutually exclusive items. There were probably a lot more Republicans from CIA, military, business & politics who were key players in the JFK assassination than there were Democrats.

Having said that I would put Lyndon Johnson at the epicenter of the JFK assassination and I think it is more likely than not that GHW Bush was involved as well.

#126 Robert Morrow

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    ALSO ===>

    I would bet my house, my car, and my bank account that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer for Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denying the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The Clinton thugs then stole the tapes. Watch the "New Clinton Chronicles" and go to minute 48 for the Gary Johnson interview.

Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:36 AM

In 1977 a man named Billie Joe Lord wrote a letter to President Jimmy Carter in which he talked about the pressure that was put on him by Edward Jay Epstein of Readers' Digest to talk about his experiences with Lee Harvey Oswald who was his shipmate to Europe in 1959 when (US intelligence agent) Oswald defected to the USSR. Lord also filed an FBI complaint about Epstein's behavior.

As Edward Jay Epstein was pressuring this man to talk (in 1976) he brought up the name of George W. Bush, the son of the then CIA director GHW Bush. George W. Bush was an indirect boss of Billie Joe Lord at this time. Epstein also name dropped the name of Jim Allison and told Lord if he did not talk there would be pressure coming from Jim Allison (his boss) and George W. Bush!

There are 3 pages of Billie Joe Lord’s letter to President Carter at this web link: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm Billie Joe Lord also implies someone was trying to wiretap his phone in this time period.

This Billie Joe Lord letter to President Carter is yet another reason I believe that George Herbert Walker Bush was involved in the JFK assassination.

It also raises questions about Edward Jay Epstein & his tactics and approach to the JFK assassination: using bully pressure tactics to get an Oswald acquaintance to talk.

Billie Joe Lord was so ticked off at the tactics of Edward Jay Epstein that he wrote a complaint letter to the FBI. You can find links to that FBI complaint by Billie Joe Lord at Bruce Campbell Adamson’s web site. I have the highest respect for Adamson; this is a man who has done decades of shoe leather grunt work on the JFK assassination.

Web link for Billie Joe Lord’s FBI complaint against Edward Jay Epstein, who was working for Reader’s Digest at that time – 1986: http://www.ciajfk.com/news4.html

Reader’s Digest was pushing some serious disinformation on the JFK assassination at that time.

Edited by Robert Morrow, 10 April 2013 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:05 PM

Some folks have not figured out that the participation of Lyndon Johnson and GHW Bush in the JFK assassination are not mutually exclusive items. There were probably a lot more Republicans from CIA, military, business & politics who were key players in the JFK assassination than there were Democrats.

Having said that I would put Lyndon Johnson at the epicenter of the JFK assassination and I think it is more likely than not that GHW Bush was involved as well.


Yeah, you do put LBJ at the epicenter but you post the unsubstantiated and disproven assertions of other sources, You present as an aggregator, repeating details from sources you meticulously cut and paste. After you posted half the comments that were posted on the Dallas Morning News article on Gary Mack, what happened? Did you even go back and check?
http://www.dallasnew...cy-theorist.ece

Robert, have you ever suspected Jeff Morley permits you to flood his comment section for a reason other than his appreciation
of your contributions in furthering a quest to present "the truth"?

You posted 12 of the 62 comments on Morley's article intended to present that the "Bush was involved" argument is fringe nonsense.:
http://jfkfacts.org/...heory/#comments

Why do you think he gives you free reign? Have you ever considered that sometimes less is more? All of your comments in the Gary Mack article were deleted because you flooded the article. You present quotes you attribute to others and a long bibliography. I am politely omitting the other things I think work against your presentations.

Why push sources and details that are not new and enjoy almost no acceptance and/or are incredible? You are what you present.

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    ALSO ===>

    I would bet my house, my car, and my bank account that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer for Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denying the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The Clinton thugs then stole the tapes. Watch the "New Clinton Chronicles" and go to minute 48 for the Gary Johnson interview.

Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:39 PM

Tom Scully: "Cut and paste" to you is documentation to me with name, book, source & page.

The Dallas Morning News, which has been covering up for the (Texas) murderers of John Kennedy since day one, wiped out all of my comments after I attacked Hugh Aynesworth as a compromised man who was coordinating with the FBI and the Johnson White House to cover up the JFK assassination. I called the online editor of the Dallas Morning News and he told me "We are not going to let the comments section [of the Dallas Morning News] because a hub for conspiracy theorists." That is a nice little summary of the Dallas Morning News's attitude both towards free speech and truth in the JFK assassination. Yes, they wiped out all of my high informative and educational comments, not just the one accurately pinning Hugh Aynesworth as a tool. I did have some choice comments for that DMN online editor about Aynesworth can't be printed in a family newspaper but it felt good saying them.

My sources and details pretty much all point towards a high level domestic conspiracy in the JFK assassination. I use them because I think they are credible; feel free to disagree with me.

Your sources and details seem to come out of wedding announcements in the NY Times from 60 years ago. Many people have a hard time finding that kind of autistic manure relevant although you hilariously seem to think it is some sort of Holy Grail.

Bruce Campbell Adamson is a JFK researcher who I think plays the "connections game" a lot more skillfully and judiciously than you do.

Edited by Robert Morrow, 10 April 2013 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:57 PM

Bob,

I commented below that same Dallas news article on Gary Mack. My comment was centered around Aynesworth and his Newsweek boss Osborn Elliott and my comment was permitted to remain visible. Did you read it?

Are you really of the opinion that your efforts are more influential than this?:

Eleanor Thomas Elliott, Barnard Figure, Dies at 80 - New...

‎New York Times - Dec 6, 2006
By THE NEW YORK TIMES The cause was injuries from a car accident, said her brother-in-law, Osborn Elliott, the former editor of Newsweek and a former dean.....

Clover Todd Dulles Wed to Jens H. Jebsen In Chaped of Fifth...

‎New York Times - Apr 22, 1951
Miss Eleanor Lansing Thomas of New York, cousin of the bride, was maid of honor. The other bridal attendants were Mrs. Richard Bompard Veit, Miss Gregor ...

STUART JOHNSON ! DIES AFTER FALL; -inancier Had Opened Home...

New York Times - Mar 31, 1969... Mr. and Mrs. James A. Thomas at 7 Wood Lane, in neighboring Locust Valley. ... They said they helped him to his feet, and, although he appeared dazed,

Inventory of the Eleanor Elliott Papers, 1768-2006 and undated ...

library.duke.edu/rubenstein/findingaids/elliotteleanor/
... Elliott's family after her death, as well as correspondence written to Eleanor Elliott after the passing of her husband, Jock and her brother, James A. Thomas, Jr.

STUART JOHNSON ! DIES AFTER FALL; -inancier Had Opened Home...

New York Times - Mar 31, 1969
....although he appeared dazed, he insisted on driving home. Mr. and Mrs. Thomas phoned his home later that night to ascertain whether he was all right, but when they failed to receive a response, notified the Mill Neck police.
A alarm was sent out for him shortly before 1 o clock this morning. Two hours after his body was found on the golf course, his automobile was found on an.....

http://www.maryferre...30&relPageId=42
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ELEANOR L. THOMAS MAKES HER DEBUT; Roof Garden of the St...

‎New York Times - Dec 27, 1943
Mrs. James Augustus Thomas of 540 Park Avenue and Homeside, White Plains, NY, gave a ... of the St. Regis to introduce to society her daughter, Miss Eleanor Lansing Thomas. ... At the tea table were ]rs. John Foster Dulles, Mrs. Will 1 Gregg, Mrs. Theodore Kiendi, the Countess Pompeo Pieri and J_rs. Allen W. Dulles.



Junior Committee Enlisting Support for Yugoslav Relief;...

‎New York Times - Nov 15, 1942
... has just been formed under the chairmanship of Miss Clover Todd Dulles 2d. ... Frances O'Connor, Eleanor Lansing Thomas, Edith Edwards, Ioan Dulles

The news media--a service and a force - Page 26
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Howard Kingsbury Smith, Osborn Elliott, A. Merriman Smith - 1970 - Snippet view - More editions

....Let me cite a few other instances of the reporter's involvement in the events he is covering. Take last
summer in Chicago, for example. There is no question in my mind that certain police officers
deliberately assaulted members of the press who were covering events surrounding the convention— and
certainly there was no such question in the minds of eight Newsweek men who were battered by the police
while wearing clear identification as working reporters and photographers. (This was something,
incidentally, that could not be said for the constabulary's own methods of identifying itself; many of
the police officers removed their badges in the parade to make sure they could not be identified.) So
what should the press' reaction have been? In my view, its duty was to report what happened as
dispassionately as possible and later be willing to testify against whichever offending officers could
be identified. This is what our own men did. Or take the coverage of a more recent event—the trial of
Clay Shaw in New Orleans on charges that he conspired in the assassination of the late President
Kennedy. As it happened, Newsweek's chief reporter (Aynesworth) on the trial had spent literally thousands of man-
hours investigating the assassination itself and was considered a leading authority on the events that
followed. He had witnessed the assassination from close to the Texas School Book Depository and joined
the chase for Lee Harvey Oswald. He interviewed several of the witnesses at the Tippitt murder scene
and was in the Texas Theatre watching when Oswald was apprehended. He was just a few feet from Jack
Ruby when he shot Oswald, and he later interviewed Oswald's widow several times. It was he who
uncovered Oswald's Russian diary in mid-1964. He covered the entire Ruby trial and was the only
reporter inside at Ruby's funeral. In short, quite an expert
— and someone that District Attorney Jim
Garrison was anxious to enlist on his side. But this reporter soon became convinced that Garrison had
no case whatsoever, and he made it his business to publicize this fact. The result was one of the first
critical stories published about Garrison— which was followed by a series of intimidating telephone
calls threatening the reporter's life. In Garrison's mind, this reporter and Newsweek had in effect
become co-defendants, and more than 1,100 prospective jurors were asked if they had read Newsweek's
critical story. We left this man on the story because we believed he was the best qualified to cover
it. And to this day, I am satisfied that he did so fairly and thoroughly. But I would not suggest for a
minute that subjectivity had not been involved— once again, in my view, in the interest of the truth.
Some of you may recall that our final story on Clay's acquittal was given only nine lines in the
magazine. It ran under the headline "Fact and Opinion," and in its entirety it read as follows:
"Acquitted: By a jury in New Orleans, exactly two years to the day after his arrest on charges of
conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy, retired Louisiana businessman Clay L. Shaw, 55. Convicted: By a
case that collapsed at every seam, District Attorney Jim Garrison, 47, of incompetence and
irresponsibility as a public official." You can't get much more subjective than that or, in my opinion,
much closer to the truth. There are much larger issues, of course, that involve subjectivity in
journalism— indeed the very largest issues of the day— and for a publication such as my own, which has
no editorial page, they can pose a problem. The news magazines ....


Bob, can you consider that my wasting my time on my approach to this research is still a far cry from publicly posting that I am willing to "bet my schlong," accompanied by my email address and telephone number, ostensibly putting the fate of home, schlong, car and bank account hanging in the balance on the poorly or unsupported claims of third parties?

If your presentations were stronger, I doubt I would be reading in your Ed Forum sig at the bottom of each post here that you would be willing to bet your house, car, your bank account, and your penis that every negative accusation against Clinton is the truth and that Bruce Campbell Adamson is "the man." I think Jeff Morley is going to permit you to post twice as many comments on Jfkfacts.org articles than has been your practice until now.

Edited by Tom Scully, 10 April 2013 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:46 PM

If your presentations were stronger, I doubt I would be reading in your Ed Forum sig at the bottom of each post here that you would be willing to bet your house, car, your bank account, and your penis that every negative accusation against Clinton is the truth and that Bruce Campbell Adamson is "the man." I think Jeff Morley is going to permit you to post twice as many comments on Jfkfacts.org articles than has been your practice until now.


Actually that's just a bluff, I tried to negotiate the conditions of such a wager a few times but he failed to reply I even offered to let him keep a hold of "Little Bobby"

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    I would bet my house, my car, and my bank account that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer for Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denying the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The Clinton thugs then stole the tapes. Watch the "New Clinton Chronicles" and go to minute 48 for the Gary Johnson interview.

Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

Tom Scully: "If your presentations were stronger, I doubt I would be reading in your Ed Forum sig at the bottom of each post here that you would be willing to bet your house, car, your bank account, and your penis that every negative accusation against Clinton is the truth"

That is just one of those disgusting straw man arguments one encounters so much on the internet and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for engaging in such behavior. My post refers to one egregious Clinton-inspired crime, not every accusation ever leveled against them.

Based on the evidence I have seen, the Clintons and Raymond "Buddy" Young sent 3 off duty Arkansas state troopers to beat the living hell of of Gary Johnson, Gennifer Flowers' neighbor, on Friday June 26, 1992. They beat him to a pulp, almost murdered the man and took videotapes of Bill Clinton entering Gennifer Flowers's condominium.

Another key point is Gary Johnson was also the lawyer for Larry Nichols, the former Clinton insider (a la Dick Morris) turned antagonist. The Clintons nearly murdered Larry Nichols lawyer.

And because of this near murder, I think there is a reasonable chance that the Clintons and Buddy Young had Jerry Parks murdered on Sept. 26th, 1993, probably fearing he was about to go public with Clinton participation in the 1980's drug trade. Chip Tatum says Buddy Young said Jerry Parks was an assassin for the Dixie mafia on these matters.

But I would not bet my penis on who was responsible for the murder of Jerry Parks.

So, Tom Scully, are shamefully dishonest straw men arguments along data dumps of 60 year old NYT wedding announcements all you can bring to the table?

Edited by Robert Morrow, 12 April 2013 - 04:19 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:46 AM

I have been giving you constructive advice, Bob. You should at least consider it.

I maintain a sense of the effects of my research results. It has evidently attracted some interest. I will continue to turn the ignition key from a standing position. Do you have any sense of how you are perceived and of the effects of your presentations? You exhibit very little self awareness.

My main point is still my take on Jeff Morley's approach to determining "JFK Facts" at his site, jfkfacts.org .
I think, at least in the examples of his two recent "was George Bush invovled?" threads, his intent was to present the idea of Bush's involvement in the conspiracy or in the cover up as fringe opinion not worthy of serious people; a class comprised by and large of the same establishment U.S. press he claims to be very different from. Permitting you to post nearly 20 percent of the posts in the first of Jeff Morley's two recent Bush threads seems to confirm what I am saying.

You are very critical of my approach and my presentation. Your opinion may be flawed.

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Ewan Butler - 1963 -
... The German Legation in Stockholm published a monthly magazine called Der Deutsche in Schweden (The German in Sweden). This periodical was intended to circulate only within the large German colony, but we were among its most devoted readers. Often the social gossip and carefully censored news of arrivals and departures provided us with clues which were extremely useful. It is worth remarking, incidentally, that the study of newspapers, and particularly of local newspapers, is an important part of routine intelligence work. I recall a case, which was only one among thousands such, in which an advertisement offering a reward for the return of a lost dog, which appeared in an obscure North German weekly newspaper, enabled our " order of battle " experts to locate an enemy division which had apparently vanished from the earth, and whose whereabouts was a matter of some concern to the War Office. ....


Some analysis of how the competition of methods and presented results in Education Forum, JFK Debate
threads has attracted outside interest during the 2004 to 2013 period, assuming the "views" function serves up accurate results.:

Top 9 JFK Debate "non-pinned" threads viewed, displayed from most recently created to oldest:

JFk & Jackie : Were They Who Their Friends Were? Which Friends Expressed Dissatisfaction over Lone Nut Assassin?

Started by Tom Scully, 26 Aug 2012 135,864 views

Did the C.I.A. "Sheep Dip" and Orchestrate the Tale of the Patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald?

Started by Tom Scully, 17 May 2012 183,852 views

Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

Started by James H. Fetzer , 28 Feb 2010 217,076 views

SIX SECONDS IN DALLAS: Truth or Obfuscation?

Started by James H. Fetzer , 31 Dec 2009 405,562 views

David Talbot's New Book Brothers

Started by Nathaniel Heidenheimer, 22 Apr 2007 97,594 views

George De Mohrenschildt

Started by John Simkin, 02 Aug 2006 216,079 views

Bernard Fensterwald

Started by John Simkin, 02 Aug 2005 157,998 views

J. D. Tippit: Was he part of the conspiracy?

Started by John Simkin, 11 Jan 2005 85,295 views

Lee Harvey Oswald's Oldest Daughter

Started by Dixie Dea, 28 Apr 2004 192,987 views


Top 9 JFK Debate "non-pinned" threads viewed, displayed highest to lowest number of views per reply:

JFk & Jackie : Were They Who Their Friends Were? Which Friends Expressed Dissatisfaction over Lone Nut Assassin?

Started by Tom Scully, 26 Aug 2012 6 replies 135,864 views = 22,644 views per reply

Lee Harvey Oswald's Oldest Daughter

Started by Dixie Dea, 28 Apr 2004 12 replies 192,987 views = 16,082 views per reply

(I did not create the Bernard Fensterwald thread, I (only) have a hunch I have influenced these stats.)
Bernard Fensterwald

Started by John Simkin, 02 Aug 2005 24 replies 157,998 views = 6583 views per reply

Did the C.I.A. "Sheep Dip" and Orchestrate the Tale of the Patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald?

Started by Tom Scully, 17 May 2012 37 replies 183,852 views = 4969 views per reply

George De Mohrenschildt

Started by John Simkin, 02 Aug 2006 70 replies 216,079 views = 3087 views per reply

SIX SECONDS IN DALLAS: Truth or Obfuscation?

Started by James H. Fetzer , 31 Dec 2009 392 replies 405,562 views = 1035 views per reply

David Talbot's New Book Brothers

Started by Nathaniel Heidenheimer, 22 Apr 2007 342 replies 97,594 views = 285 views per reply

J. D. Tippit: Was he part of the conspiracy?

Started by John Simkin, 11 Jan 2005 348 replies 85,295 views = 245 views per reply

Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

Started by James H. Fetzer , 28 Feb 2010 3,029 replies 217,076 views = 72 views per reply

Edited by Tom Scully, 12 April 2013 - 07:41 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

Thanks Tom for the heads up but we were already "on" all of this.
And he has yet to actually post so I am not sure why he joined.

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