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#31 Michael Hogan

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

Rose Cheramie.......b....


Bernice, that is a cropped version of the same photo that appeared in the Avoyelles Today article. The one in the article is much clearer.

http://www.avoyelles...ews_left_column

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:46 PM

http://www.avoyelles...ews_left_column



.... Good Day Michael.... Thank You for providing that link.

Here is the link to the exact same article that was published in the
Eunice Today, along with a transcript of the article for preservation
within our forum, and, so that researchers can successfully obtain
future hits for their search results within our forum....

http://www.eunicetoday.com/view/full_story/20894259/article-Plot-tip-from-a-fallen-Rose-forever-links-Eunice---JFK-assassination?instance=home_news_lead


<QUOTE>

Plot Tip from a Fallen Rose Forever
Links Eunice & JFK Assassination


By Todd C. Elliott
11-22-12
todd.elliott@eunicetoday.com


Eunice is forever linked to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy
on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas -- 49 years ago today.

Many Americans still believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK – a
conclusion reached by the House Select Committee of Assassination of
the 95th Congress in March 1979, which stated that the President “was
probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy”– and many of those
think that the proof of a conspiracy, and the conspiracy itself, began in
Eunice.

Rose Cherami is the link between Eunice and a possible conspiracy to kill
JFK.

Born Melba Christine Marcades in Houston, Texas, Cherami, as she is
known to JFK assassination researchers, predicted the future on Nov. 20,
1963, in Eunice but no one listened to the known prostitute-drug addict.

She said that there was a conspiracy to kill the President in Dallas two
days before it happened.

While accounts differ as to whether she was leaving a place called
Kilroy’s or a place named The Silver Slipper, Cherami claimed to have
been thrown out of a moving vehicle, or at least hit by a vehicle on US
190, by men who were travelling to Dallas to shoot JFK.

Cherami was taken to the now-defunct Moosa Hospital and she was
admitted on Wednesday, Nov. 20, at 4 p.m. to be treated for her
injuries.

The incident is featured at the beginning of Oliver Stone’s 1991 film, JFK.


Posted Image
Melba Marcades about 1957, six years before she, then known
as Rose Cherami, allegedly told Eunice authorities about a plot to kill
President John F. Kennedy. Photo provided by Dr. Michael Marcades.



Posted Image
Rose Cherami after her arrest in St. Tammany in 1964, several
months after she allegedly tipped authorities to the JFK murder plot. She
died less than a year after this arrest.



Louis Pavur, a Eunice native and retired radiologic technologist,
remembers Cherami and that day well.

“I remember that she said that she was thrown out of an automobile and
they called Dr. J.T. Thompson, and I was in the emergency room,” Pavur
said. “She was wearing blue jeans and white top. She was a short
woman with an average build. This woman claimed she was thrown out of
a car, but I didn’t really see any severe evidence of that. I did not hear
her say, specifically, that Kennedy would be assassinated. The police
took her off to the Eunice City Jail and it wasn’t until a couple of days
later, the day of the assassination, that it had come out that she had
predicted it.”

One of Pavur’s prized belongings is a photo copy of the original
emergency room register with Cherami’s signature in which she listed
Thibodaux, La. as her address.

“I thought it was a significant part of history, it’s a piece of history,”
Pavur said. “I thought it would be an interesting something to look at one
day. I didn’t how deep it was going to go or the extent of the
investigation.”

Pavur said that he knew the time was right to make a copy of the
emergency room register when FBI, or government officials, allegedly
came to Eunice and took medical records from Moosa and arrest records
from the Eunice Police Department.

“That’s when I found out that she had predicted that Kennedy would be
assassinated, when they came to the hospital and did all of this stuff,”
Pavur said. “After that, I said ‘Jesus! I’m going to get a copy of that.’
That happened so many years ago I can’t remember what happened to
the original emergency room register.”

Pavur believes that JFK was assassinated as the result of a conspiracy.

Pavur said that he did not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald, a New
Orleans native, shot Kennedy, mainly because Pavur’s sister worked in a
New Orleans department store with Oswald’s mother and Oswald was
often around the store.

“She said that Oswald was ‘too stupid to get out of the rain’,” Pavur
said. “She said he would just get lost in the department store. That he
just wasn’t smart.”

Pavur said that also present at the Moosa hospital that afternoon of
November 20, 1963 was the late L.G. Carrier, at the time with the Eunice
Police Department.

Pavur said he remembered Carrier arriving shortly after Cherami was
brought in.

Jane Carrier, widow of L.G. Carrier, said that her husband related to her
that he overheard the radio report about Cherami and then went to the
hospital.

She said that he also told her about FBI agents visiting Eunice “within
days” after the Kennedy assassination.

“They came a very short time later and picked up all the records,” said
Mrs. Carrier. “L.G. told me that they came and took her records from
Moosa and from the jail.”

Mrs. Carrier said that her late husband was one of the few locals who
actually heard Cherami speak of a plot to kill Kennedy.

“Nobody bothered investigating, they all thought she was a nut case,”
Carrier said. “At the time they probably didn’t know that she worked with
Jack Ruby. And that’s probably where she overheard something about
the plot to kill Kennedy.”

Ruby, a Dallas night club, killed Oswald as the suspected assassin was
being led from one place to another after his arrest.

Cherami was then transported from Moosa to the old City Jail.

From there, she was committed to the Jackson East Louisiana State
Hospital upon the recommendation of Dr. F.J. DeRouen – who was
assistant coroner of St. Landry Parish.

Allegedly, Dr. DeRouen was called to the Eunice city jail because Cherami
began to act irrationally.

DeRouen, according to research, determined that Cherami was a heroin
addict of about nine years who had had her last intravenous cocktail at
about 2 p.m. that day.

Accounts differ as to whether DeRouen administered a sedative to
Cherami that seemed to have an adverse affect on her as she allegedly
became violent, cutting her ankles and stripping out of her clothes.

Dr. DeRouen said he remembers the Friday that Kennedy was
assassinated as he was in his office on 2nd Street in downtown.

However, he does not remember treating Cherami two days prior. But he
did not deny treating her.

He said that due to a recent stroke, his memory is not what it used to
be.“If you say that I did those things, then I must have done them,” Dr.
DeRouen said two months ago at his Eunice home. “I just have a hard
time remembering that time in my life.”

The late Lt. Francis Fruge, a State Trooper from Basile, was the man
who allegedly brought Cherami in to Moosa after she was injured.

He was, without a doubt, the man who was also tasked with driving her
to the Jackson East Louisiana State Hospital. And he is, perhaps, the
first to hear Cherami’s strange tale of how President Kennedy would be
killed in two days in Dallas by the men with whom she travelled.

Fruge would later testify before the House committee about Rose
Cherami: “...she said that she was going to, number one, pick up some
money, pick up her baby, and to kill Kennedy.”

“She related to me that she was coming from Florida to Dallas with two
men that were Italians or resembled Italians. They had stopped at this
lounge and they’d had a few drinks...and had gotten into an argument or
something. The manager of the lounge threw her out and she got on the
road to hitchhike. And this is when she got hit by a vehicle.” said Fruge
before the HSCA in 1979.

Fruge delivered Cherami to the East Jackson State Hospital in the early
hours of November 21, 1963.

Records indicate that Cherami was in for her second visit to the state
hospital in Jackson. She was committed for being “criminally insane” on
July 13, 1961, according to Louisiana State Police and FBI records.

Ironically, Cherami was taken to the same institution where Lee Harvey
Oswald had applied for employment in the summer of 1963.

The day after she was admitted, Kennedy was murdered in Dealy Plaza in
Dallas.

Shots rang out in Dallas.

A phone rang in the Jackson State Hospital.

Fruge was called to get Cherami back in State Police custody. He
allegedly told the staff not to release her until he arrived. However, he
was told by staff that he could not collect or question Cherami until
Monday.

By Monday, the world would know the names of Lee Harvey Oswald and
Jack Ruby.

Prior publications indicate that Fruge and another State Trooper, Wayne
Morein,(who would later become sheriff of Evangeline Parish) would then
embark on the first, non-publicized investigation into the murder of JFK.

Morein declined to comment on the matter, only confirming that he did
once work with Fruge.

Allegedly, it was then that Cherami told Francis Fruge that she was a
one-time performer in Ruby’s Carousel Club in Dallas, that she knew
Oswald and Ruby, that they knew each other intimately and that she had
direct knowledge of a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy.

Years later, Fruge was assigned to investigate the JFK assassination with
Jim Garrison – who was the New Orleans District Attorney and the only
person to ever bring a trial in the murder of President Kennedy – as
elements of a plot that seemed to originate from New Orleans began to
come to light.

The conversation was documented on July 18, 1967, when The Eunice
News’ Matt Vernon (Comment Cava) reported perhaps the first news of
“Melba Christine Marcades” (aka Rose Cherami) who was “a one-time
performer in Jack Ruby’s nightclub” in a brief interview with Lt. Francis
Fruge.

According to the article, Cherami “told Francis that Oswald and Ruby
were close friends for years. She was found dead on the side of a Texas
highway September 4, 1965...she would have been an important witness
except that she was, like 23 or more other potential witnesses, dead.
Despite her unsavory reputation and record, everything she told
Francis...checked out.”

Francis Fruge said he thought Cherami could have had direct knowledge
of the assassination plot, according to The Eunice News.

As Fruge believed that Rose Cherami had direct knowledge of the
assassination plot, so does her son.

Dr. Michael Marcades, the Director of Music Ministries of First Methodist
Church in Opelika, Alabama, has a minor role in the strange tale of Rose
Cherami as “her baby”.

He said that he was 10 at time of the JFK assassination.

“My mother may have been a lot of things, but she wasn’t a liar,” said
Marcades in a phone interview. “When it came down to life and death, in
her mind I think she knew the difference between right and wrong. Was
she a prostitute? Yes. Was she a drug trafficker? Yes. Did she lose her
entire sense of moral compass? No. I don’t believe that she was lying. I
believe that she told the truth out of frustration. I believe in that
hospital in Louisiana, she was screaming the truth and no one would
listen because of her background. I mean, how different life and history
would have been had someone actually paid attention to the ravings of a
prostitute-drug trafficker.”

Marcades said that he, like many others, believes that she is the first JFK
assassination conspiracy theorist. She believed in a conspiracy while
President Kennedy was still alive.

Cherami, according to FBI files and Louisiana State Police records was
known to have over 35 documented aliases.

<END QUOTE>


Best Regards in Research,
++Don



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Edited by Don Roberdeau, 26 November 2012 - 11:48 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:16 AM

thanks Michael, that old copy has been around the block and back again for many years now...

here is an older thread connecting Rose with Candy Bar,,,

http://educationforu...&st=15&start=15

take care..b

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:53 AM

[...]

On a final note, there is something very confusing about the Silver Slipper Club... I will try to elucidate it as best I can.

In reality there were three clubs known as the Silver Slipper.

1 Was in Las Vegas and at one time was owned by Howard Hughes.
2 Jack Ruby at one time owned a club called the Silver Slipper, which was in Downtown Dallas, I believe on Ervay Street.
3. The Silver Slipper Club, in which Rose Cherami was at with Sergio Aracha Smith and Emilio Santana, [ the Smith/Santana ID's are based on the article in the Probe article regarding Rose Cheramie, which, in turn is based on Mac Manual's ID'ing photo's shown to him by Fruge], was in Eunice, Louisiana, and was also reputedly either a brothel or a nightclub in which organized/crime figures stopped en route from Miami to Texas. [emphasis added by T. Graves]

[...]


Robert,

I don't know if anyone has already brought this to your attention, but the bar that Ruby owned on S. Ervay in Dallas was called the Silver Spur, not the Silver Slipper.

The following is from a 11/25/63 FBI interview of Jack Ruby:
http://www.aarclibra...llCRay_Ex_1.pdf


[...]

He [Jack Ruby] worked around Chicago helping his brother EARL in a mail order business until he moved to Dallas, Texas, in June, 1947 . His sister, EVA GRANT, was living in Dallas . He and EVA opened a nightclub known as the Singapore Club at 1717 S. Ervay and he worked there. Late in 1947, he returned to Chicago for a few weeks but his sister, EVA GRANT, called for him to come back to Dallas to help her so he returned. They changed the name of the Singapore Club to the Silver Spur and he resumed working there. He lived in a room at 1719 1/2 S. Ervay while working at the Silver Spur.

In 1952, he took over the Bob Wills Ranch House Club, located at Corinth and Industrial Streets, and operated both places for a short time, but soon went broke and lost both clubs. MARTY GIMPLE, who is now dead, and WILLIE EPSTEIN, who now lives in New York City and with his father operates a millinery manufacturing shop, assumed some of the debts and took over the Silver Spur. He went back to Chicago but did not like living there so after a month or two he decided to return to Dallas because he owed a lot of money to people in Dallas and was depressed about this and wanted to return to Dallas and make some money and pay off his debts. After returning to Dallas, he took the Silver Spur Club back from GIMLPLE and EPSTEIN as by that time they were happy to get rid of it.

[... ]


--Tommy :sun

Edited by Thomas Graves, 27 November 2012 - 07:13 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

Robert,

Regarding the HSCA document to which you refer in the last part of your post #12 (in this thread, above), it's #24 in the NARA "hit list" for (standard search) "Cheramie."
http://www.nara.gov/...766/jfksnew.txt

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Edited by Thomas Graves, 28 November 2012 - 05:47 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:55 AM


Greg, Rose gave the ships name phonetically as "Mary Etta", the ship
found to match the port and time was the SS Maturata, British registry
docking in Galveston.

The seaman's name was given as "Luther", initials L.J. last name unknown.

Delivery was to be made to Leo Parker (alias), true name Poreurillo (the
spelling is hard to read on this, poor type quality or altered, hard to say
on my copy). Parker was to take delivery in Dallas. Other names
given were Pete Vallone and the Tamborrello family. Police records were
checked and confirmed that the Vallone and Tamborello families
were heavily invovled in narcotics, white slavery and other criminal activity.

Given the number of details which appeared to check out it is rather significant that the investigation was dropped simply because Rose had a record with the Houston police and they apparently told the agents that her allegations were untrue. Which is very strange given her actual record which clearly demonstrates that she had been very active as both a prostitute (white slavery) and a drug courier and there is no detail given as to how they could have checked her
story prior to the arrival of the ship?

Fruge himself said that he and the agents did verify a Luther on the ship but failed
to intercept him and were ordered back given the decision by higher level
customs officers to drop it based - it seems - simply on a lack of interest by Houston police.

-- Larry

 



Larry,

 

Regarding the fact that Rose Cheramie mentioned a "Pete Vallone" and the fact that the police report said the Vallone family of Houston was heavily involved in narcotics, white slavery, and other criminal activity---

It's interesting that, according to the once-secret Federal Bureau of Narcotics' Mafia Book, the sister of one of Joe Civello's main mafia associates was married to Joseph Vincent Vallone, whose father, Vincent Vallone Sr., was reputed to be a Houston mafioso who died in a 1949 mafia-style Houston murder. 

 

The associate of Joe Civello whose sister was married to Joseph Vincent Vallone was none other than Dallas mafioso Joseph Ianni.  According to the Mafia Book, Ianni was a big time Dallas narcotics trafficker and was associated with Joe Civello of Dallas and Rocco Pellegringno of Westchester County, New York, among others. 

 

Ianni's sister, Frances Ianni, married Joseph Vincent Vallone (d. 1972 in Houston), whose father, Vincent Vallone, Sr., was mentioned in the May 1, 1959 Kefauver Report:

V. The importance of Carlos Marcello in New Orleans rackets

[...]

Whether or not he [Carlos Marcello] and his brother Anthony had boats running narcotics into New Orleans, it is a fact that Marcello had served time for dope peddling among other things and had asked and been refused a Presidential pardon. Toll calls connected Marcello with Harry Brooks, close associate of Mickey Cohen, Joe Civello, narcotics violator, and Sam Yarras, brother of Chicago hoodlum Dave Yarras, a prominent figure in the fight between the "mob" wire service and Continental Press. Also in touch with Marcello was Charles Gordon, a main cog in a national football betting syndicate. Carlos talked over the phone to one Vincent Vallone just before the latter was murdered [in 1949] in Houston, Tex., in a Mafia-type killing.

[...]
http://www.onewal.com/kef/kef3b.html

 

According to the following website, Vincent Vallone, Sr. was murdered in 1949 and was a Capo in the Piranio branch of the mafia, based in Dallas.  It also says that in 1938 he had an indictment dismissed in Federal Court for conspiracy to violate narcotics laws:
http://www.findagrav...r&GRid=29119450

 

Someone has blogged that Vincent Vallone (Sr.) was a Capo of the Houston mafia.
http://webcache.goog...reads.php?ubb=s

Regarding Joseph Ianni's sister, interested researchers can google:
"Frances Ianni Vallone"


--Tommy :sun


Edited by Thomas Graves, 02 April 2014 - 06:24 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

Greg, Rose gave the ships name phonetically as "Mary Etta", the ship
found to match the port and time was the SS Maturata, British registry
docking in Galveston.

The seaman's name was given as "Luther", initials L.J. last name unknown.

Delivery was to be made to Leo Parker (alias), true name Poreurillo (the
spelling is hard to read on this, poor type quality or altered, hard to say
on my copy). Parker was to take delivery in Dallas.
Other names
given were Pete Vallone and the Tamborrello family. Police records were
checked and confirmed that the Vallone and Tamborello families
were heavily invovled in narcotics, white slavery and other criminal activity.

Given the number of details which appeared to check out it is rather significant that the investigation was dropped simply because Rose had a record with the Houston police and they apparently told the agents that her allegations were untrue. Which is very strange given her actual record which clearly demonstrates that she had been very active as both a prostitute (white slavery) and a drug courier and there is no detail given as to how they could have checked her
story prior to the arrival of the ship?

Fruge himself said that he and the agents did verify a Luther on the ship but failed
to intercept him and were ordered back given the decision by higher level
customs officers to drop it based - it seems - simply on a lack of interest by Houston police.

-- Larry
(emphasis added by T.G.)


Larry,

Could the name in the document that looks to you like "Poreurillo" possibly be "Porretto" instead, as in Joseph Porretto (aka Peretto aka Poretto)? He was a New Orleans mafia guy associated with Nofio Pecora...

Thanks,
--Tommy

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:38 PM


Greg, Rose gave the ships name phonetically as "Mary Etta", the ship
found to match the port and time was the SS Maturata, British registry
docking in Galveston.

The seaman's name was given as "Luther", initials L.J. last name unknown.

Delivery was to be made to Leo Parker (alias), true name Poreurillo (the
spelling is hard to read on this, poor type quality or altered, hard to say
on my copy).
Parker was to take delivery in Dallas. Other names
given were Pete Vallone and the Tamborrello family. Police records were
checked and confirmed that the Vallone and Tamborello families
were heavily invovled in narcotics, white slavery and other criminal activity.

Given the number of details which appeared to check out it is rather significant that the investigation was dropped simply because Rose had a record with the Houston police and they apparently told the agents that her allegations were untrue. Which is very strange given her actual record which clearly demonstrates that she had been very active as both a prostitute (white slavery) and a drug courier and there is no detail given as to how they could have checked her
story prior to the arrival of the ship?

Fruge himself said that he and the agents did verify a Luther on the ship but failed
to intercept him and were ordered back given the decision by higher level
customs officers to drop it based - it seems - simply on a lack of interest by Houston police.

-- Larry
(emphasis added by T.G.)


Larry,

Could the name in the document that looks to you like "Poreurillo" possibly be "Porretto" instead, as in Joseph Porretto (aka Peretto aka Poretto)? Porretto was a New Orleans mafioso associated with Nofio Pecora.

Thanks,
--Tommy


Edited by Thomas Graves, 26 July 2013 - 03:40 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 04:50 AM

Another reference to the Silver Slipper

 

 

http://www.aarclibra...H26_CE_3067.pdf



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 11:06 PM

I believe this is one of the most critical of all the unresolved areas. I would only say, resolution of these matters is usually not so black and white. For instance there are a few men in the documents who were merchant seaman, and some are not obscure. Take Horace Twiford.....The best sources on this area of Cherami and the drug transaction, would probably be Peter Brewton The Mafia, the CIA & George Bush page 120, others Probe Magazine, Douglas Valentine and Jim Douglas....My apologies for getting the Silver Spur & Silver Slipper mixed up.....

Documents

NO TITLE pg 6
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Joseph Civello
Bureau that CIVELLO was in contact with the VALLONE brothers of Houston Texas and that VINCENT VALLONE was
during the year 1937-1938 associated with SAM MACIO ET AL of Houston and Galveston Texas and
https://www.maryferr....do?docId=73786
RIF#: 124-10298-10017   (09/21/56)   FBI#: 73-12701-2


NO TITLE pg 4
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Joseph Civello
`PIRANIO deceased) ATTARDI stated this meeting had been held at VALLONE's farm located outside the city limits of
Houston (The name of ISIDORE CAVARETTA,believed identical with "E CAVARETTA, was
RIF#: 124-10293-10167   (03/24/59)   FBI#: CR 100-42303-477
https://www.maryferr...398&relPageId=4



NO TITLE pg 5
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: LCN
was directly responsible for the killing of VINCENT VALLONE of Houston Texas (VINCENT VALLONE S was killed by a
shotgun blast on the outskirts of Houston Texas on July 15 1949* in what was described by local press and local authorities
as a gangland-type slaying, believed a the time to have been perpetuated by the Mafia).
https://www.maryferr....do?docId=90781

 

*

http://www.findagrav...9119450&df=all

Birth:  Nov. 14, 1884, Italy Death:  Jul. 15, 1949
Houston
Harris County
Texas, USA trans.gif
Buried on July 17, 1949.
His parents were Joseph & Mary Vallone.
Murder victim: Gun shot wounds, at 9100 Chocolate Bayou Road.
Source of above information: Death Certificate
He was famous as a Capo in the Piranio branch of the Mafia, based in Dallas, Texas.
He made the "New York Times" on May 26, 1938 (Page 9), when he had an indictment dismissed in Federal court, for conspiracy to violate the narcotic laws.
 Family links:
 Spouse:
 Maria Aiello Vallone (1891 - 1973)*
 Children:
 Joseph V Vallone (1910 - 1972)*
 Mary Rose Vallone Patronella (1915 - 2009)*
 *Calculated relationship   Burial:
  Forest Park Cemetery
  Houston
  Harris County
  Texas, USA  
  Created by: NWO
  Record added: Aug 18, 2008

END

 

 

what follows below are not intended for anything other than possible genealogical connections

 

Chicago Tribune (IL) - May 01, 1970
Vallone
Deceased Name: Lawrence J. Vallone Sr.
Lawrence J. Vallone Sr., beloved husband of Ann; loving father of Lawrence J. Jr., John, and Carol Ann; grandfather of 12; great-grandfather of one; brother of Lucille Murphy, Tony, Sam, Mike, Frank, Joe, and the late Thomas Vallone. Funeral Saturday, 12:30 p.m., at Ketcham Funeral Chapel, 2036 W. 79th street, to Little Flower church. Mass 1 p.m. Interment Holy Sepulchre. HU 3-6202.

Staten Island Advance (NY) - March 6, 2012
Deceased Name: THOMAS VALLONE , 73
Date of Death:
03/04/2012
Navy veteran was Morgan Stanley executive
Longtime Staten Islander Thomas Vallone, 73, of Tottenville, a retired financial services firm vice president who is remembered for his kindness and generosity, died Sunday in Staten Island University Hospital, Prince's Bay.
Born in Brooklyn, he graduated from John Dewey High School. He earned his associate's degree in business from the College of Staten Island.
Mr. Vallone served in the U.S. Navy as a torpedo operations specialist. He was stationed aboard a submarine in the European region.
He and Rosalie DeFeo wed in 1965, and the couple moved to Huguenot in 1969. They settled in Tottenville in 1985.
A senior vice president of operations at Morgan Stanley, Manhattan, formerly Dean Witter Reynolds, Mr. Vallone retired in 2000.
Fond of golf, he divided his leisure time between taking to the links and studying Wall Street quotes, two of his greatest passions, his wife said.
"My husband was the kindest, gentlest person who always thought about everyone else and put himself last," she added.
Mr. Vallone was a parishioner of Our Lady Star of the Sea R.C. Church, Huguenot.
Surviving, along with Rosalie, his wife of 45 years, are his daughter, Victoria Heidel; his brother, Robert; his sister, Ann Sergi, and a grandson.
The funeral will be tomorrow from the John Vincent Scalia Home for Funerals, Eltingville, with a mass at 10 a.m. in Our Lady Star of the Sea Church. Burial will follow in Resurrection Cemetery, Pleasant Plains.
Staten Island Advance (NY)
Date: March 6, 2012
Page: A15
Record Number: MERLIN_14734233
Copyright, 2012, Staten Island Advance. All Rights Reserved.

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Staten Island Advance (NY) - September 13, 2001
Deceased Name: Rose Vallone , 83, was keypunch operator
Date of Death 09/12/2001
Rose Vallone, 83, formerly of Huguenot, a retired brokerage house keypunch operator, died yesterday in Regency Park Nursing Home, Hazlet, N.J., where she had been a resident since 1994.
Born Rose Pittaluga in Brooklyn, she moved to Huguenot in 1969.
Mrs. Vallone was a keypunch operator for Hornblower & Weeks in Manhattan for 23 years, retiring in 1980.
"She was an extremely gentle, loving and kind person," said her son, Thomas.
Mrs. Vallone enjoyed knitting, crocheting, reading and solving puzzles. According to her family, she was a great cook.
She was a parishioner of Our Lady Star of the Sea R.C. Church, Huguenot.
Mrs. Vallone's husband, Salvatore (Sam), died in 1953.
In addition to her son, Thomas, surviving are another son, Robert; her daughter, Ann Sergi; three brothers, Louis, Joseph and Anthony Pittaluga; eight grandchildren, and six great-grandchildren.
Mrs. Vallone's son, Joseph, died last year.

The funeral will be tomorrow from the John Vincent Scalia Home for Funerals, Eltingville, with a mass at 9:45 a.m. in Our Lady Star of the Sea Church. Burial will follow in Resurrection Cemetery, Pleasant Plains.
Staten Island Advance (NY)
Date: September 13, 2001
Page: A12
Record Number: MERLIN_1344537
Copyright, 2001, Staten Island Advance. All Rights Reserved.

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Blanco County News (TX) - August 15, 2012
Deceased Name: Vincent Thomas "Tommy" Vallone
Tommy Vallone passed away on August 9, 2012, in Blanco, Texas. He was born in Houston, Texas on March 22, 1935.
Tommy leaves behind his wife, Patricia Seales Vallone of 56 years, his loving daughters, Debbie (and her husband, Carl) Homeier, Karen (and her husband, Jerry) Moore, his special grandson, Michael (and his wife, Holly), and his precious, loving great-grandson, Matthew Vaculik. Tommy loved being a Mason for 25 years, and a Shriner and Jester. One of the highlights of his life was the years he spent on the Shriner's Hospital Board.

No one could have had a family as special as his. He was truly blessed with his family, his extended family, and his many friends, including his faithful dog, "B.J." Everywhere he went, he never met a stranger.

In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to the Blanco Masonic Lodge or the Shriner's Hospital.
A memorial service will be held on Saturday, August 11, 2012, at 2:00 pm at Trinity Lutheran Church in Blanco, Texas.
end
Edison-Metuchen Sentinel (NJ) - July 5, 2006
Deceased Name: Nicholas J. Vallone
Mr. Vallone, 77, of the Cliffwood Beach section of Old Bridge, died June 14 in Bayshore Community Hospital, Holmdel. His wife, Ida Cancro Vallone, died in 1999. Surviving are a son, Paul V. Vallone of Houston, Texas; two daughters, Cathy McAleer of East Brunswick and Lisa Pankiewicz of Freehold; a sister, Maryann Lubrano of North Bergen; and four grandchildren. A Mass was offered at St. Lawrence Church, Laurence Harbor. Interment was in Holy Cross Burial Park, East Brunswick.
Edison-Metuchen Sentinel (NJ)

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Houston Chronicle (TX) - June 13, 2002
Deceased Name: Edna Innes Vallone
TX United States
EDNA INNES VALLONE died June 6, 2002. Born on October 8, 1916 to Addie Mae Johnson Innes and Jesse Roy Innes in Center, Texas. Moved to Houston in 1940 where she raised her family. Predeceased by son, Michael Roy Vallone. Survived by sons Dan Ballard and John Vallone; daughters Kathlyn Montgomery and Ann Malone & Ann's husband, Mike; 6 Grandchildren; 3 Great Grandchildren; and numerous nieces and nephews. Memorial Service will be held on Monday, June 17, 10:00 AM at Clarewood House Chapel, 7400 Clarewood Drive @ Reims, Houston, 77036. In lieu of flowers, please make donations to the charity of your choice.
 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:39 PM

 


Greg, Rose gave the ships name phonetically as "Mary Etta", the ship
found to match the port and time was the SS Maturata, British registry
docking in Galveston.

The seaman's name was given as "Luther", initials L.J. last name unknown.

Delivery was to be made to Leo Parker (alias), true name Poreurillo (the
spelling is hard to read on this, poor type quality or altered, hard to say
on my copy). Parker was to take delivery in Dallas. Other names
given were Pete Vallone and the Tamborrello family. Police records were
checked and confirmed that the Vallone and Tamborello families
were heavily invovled in narcotics, white slavery and other criminal activity.

Given the number of details which appeared to check out it is rather significant that the investigation was dropped simply because Rose had a record with the Houston police and they apparently told the agents that her allegations were untrue. Which is very strange given her actual record which clearly demonstrates that she had been very active as both a prostitute (white slavery) and a drug courier and there is no detail given as to how they could have checked her
story prior to the arrival of the ship?

Fruge himself said that he and the agents did verify a Luther on the ship but failed
to intercept him and were ordered back given the decision by higher level
customs officers to drop it based - it seems - simply on a lack of interest by Houston police.

-- Larry

 



Larry,

Interestingly, according to the Federal Bureau of Narcotics' Mafia Book, Mrs. Frances Vallone was a sister of Dallas Mafioso Joseph Ianni.  Ianni was a narcotics trafficker associated with, among others, Joe Civello of Dallas and Rocco Pellegrino, Carmine Pellegrino, and Peter Pellegrino of Westchester County, New York.  Frances (Ianni) Vallone's husband was Joseph Vincent Vallone (d. 1972 in Houston).  He had three brothers: Vincent (Jr.), Tony, and Benny Vallone.

 

Vincent Vallone, Sr, the father of Joseph, Vincent, Tony, and Benny, is mentioned in this excerpt from the May 1, 1959 Kefauver Report:

V. The importance of Carlos Marcello in New Orleans rackets

[...]

Whether or not he [Carlos Marcello] and his brother Anthony had boats running narcotics into New Orleans, it is a fact that Marcello had served time for dope peddling among other things and had asked and been refused a Presidential pardon. Toll calls connected Marcello with Harry Brooks, close associate of Mickey Cohen, Joe Civello, narcotics violator, and Sam Yarras, brother of Chicago hoodlum Dave Yarras, a prominent figure in the fight between the "mob" wire service and Continental Press. Also in touch with Marcello was Charles Gordon, a main cog in a national football betting syndicate. Carlos talked over the phone to one Vincent Vallone just before the latter was murdered in Houston, Tex., in a Mafia-type killing.

[...]
http://www.onewal.com/kef/kef3b.html

 

 

According to someone who posted on the following website, Vincent Vallone, Sr. "was famous as a Capo in the Piranio branch of the mafia, based in Dallas."  The same person says that Vallone made the May 26, 1938 New York Times (page 9) for having an indictment dismissed in Federal Court for conspiracy to violate narcotics laws:
http://www.findagrav...r&GRid=29119450

 

 

Regarding Joseph Ianni's sister, interested researchers can google:
"Frances Ianni Vallone"

--Tommy :sun

 

edited and bumped

 

PS  I wonder if whoever wrote the report on Rose Cheramie misheard her say "Piranio" or "Pellegrino" and wrote it down kinda phonetically as "Porerurillo" (sp?) ?.

 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:33 AM

Tommy, I really have no doubt from Rose's record that she worked both as a prostitute, in a number of hustles and scams and as a drug connection in the network that ran from Miami, though

New Orleans, into Texas, and which shuttled drugs up though Texas and Oklahoma into the mid-west.  I'm certain the drug deal was just as she described it, as I report in SWHT, the only reason

they didn't bust it and avoided it after the fact was that the DEA guy assigned to shadow the guy off the ship blew his assignment...after that DEA wanted to just drop the whole

embarrassing thing.

 

The big question, did Rose hear talk about threats against JFK, I suspect she did, that talk was common in a bunch of places she traveled through, including Miami, We have all sorts of reports

of such talk.  But was her trip involved int he actual Dallas plot, I don't think so, I think it was all about the drug deal...     Larry



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:39 AM

Tommy, I really have no doubt from Rose's record that she worked both as a prostitute, in a number of hustles and scams and as a drug connection in the network that ran from Miami, though

New Orleans, into Texas, and which shuttled drugs up though Texas and Oklahoma into the mid-west.  I'm certain the drug deal was just as she described it, as I report in SWHT, the only reason

they didn't bust it and avoided it after the fact was that the DEA guy assigned to shadow the guy off the ship blew his assignment...after that DEA wanted to just drop the whole

embarrassing thing.

 

The big question, did Rose hear talk about threats against JFK, I suspect she did, that talk was common in a bunch of places she traveled through, including Miami, We have all sorts of reports

of such talk.  But was her trip involved in the actual Dallas plot, I don't think so, I think it was all about the drug deal...     Larry

 

Larry,

 

I think that, at least as far as the drug deal part of it was concerned, the Pete Vallone mentioned in the report you posted points us in the direction of Carlos Marcello (via mafiosos Joe Ianni and Joe Civello of Dallas) for the simple reason that 1) the narcotics deal that Cheramie was involved in was going to go down in Houston, 2) it involved a Houston "Pete Vallone," and 3) the sister of Civello's mafia associate, Joseph Ianni of Dallas, was married to Joseph Vincent Vallone of Houston whose father, Vincent Vallone, Sr., was murdered "mafia-style" in 1949 a short time after talking with Carlos Marcello on the phone, according to the 1959 Kefauver Report.  It has also been reported on the Internet that this Vincent Vallone, Sr. made page 9 of the May 26, 1938 New York Times for having had a narcotics indictment against him dropped.

 

This Vincent Vallone, Sr. is very probably the "Vincenzo Vallone, Houston" listed near the bottom of this 5/09/50 Federal Bureau of Narcotics list of "Mafia Suspects in Texas," as furnished to the FBI:

https://www.maryferr...398&relPageId=4

 (Thanks to Robert Howard for posting this link in an above post, this thread.)

 

 

Edit: 

 

I just noticed today (4/02/14) that this document on page 5 says that Joe Civello used the alias "Ciuerillo" in 1955 while flying back to Dallas after meeting with Carmine Pellegrino (son of Rocco Pellegrino) and narcotics king John Ormento in NYC.  I googled "Ciuerillo" and came up with only three "hits" and no people, so I think his alias should be spelled "Cuerello," instead.

 

So now I'm wondering if Rose Cheramie meant to say "Cuerillo" instead of "Poreurillo."

 

 

 

--Tommy  :sun


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:10 PM

I would only say that the following person[s]

would at least be a person of interest. Also

since the person "who was the drug courier"

irrespective of whether it was the person

below was even alive today, he would

not, I believe be charged for anything

because of the statute of limitations.....

 

NO TITLE pg 9
RIF#: 124-90093-10025   (11/06/69)   FBI#: CR 92-2801-75
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Nofio Pecora
NO 92-47 1969 red Ford registered to Hertz Rent-A-Car Company and rented by LUTHER D GILLIS Jordano Construction Company,.720 Hind Avenue Kenner Louisiana 1969 Cadillac bearing 1969 Louisiana license 247 B 451 registered to Perfecto Food Products, 3505 Gravier Street
PAUL TITUS advised that New Orleans Police Department units followed PALMISANO who was driving a red 1969 Ford registered to Hertz Rent-A-Car from Town and Country Motel to the Morning Call Coffee Shop, French Market, New Orleans. There were three individuals in this car, two of which could not be identified by the New Orleans Police Department. TITUS    observed that the two above individuals {LUTHER D GILLIS AND ANGELO PALMISANO}then sat in the Morning Call Coffee Shop with two unidentified individuals, one of which is believed to be FRANK NATASSA. TITUS advised that photographs of the five individuals were taken by New Orleans Police Department and he made available these pictures to the FBI   
TONY TOCCO son of WILLIAM “BLACK BILL” TACCO Detroit who is a first cousin to TONY ZERILLI, was also considered a possibly being identical with the TONY who visited New Orleans on February 18, 1969.
is identical with ANTHONY CARRADO.
page 11
NO-T-61 further advised that DOMINICK CORRADO, brother of ANTHONY CARRADO has close connection in New Orleans with CARLOS MARCELLO  


http://www.ancientfa...gillis/61736763


FBI Arrests Trio in Plot to Sell Arms to Castro;
WASHINGTON (UPI) 12-24-1959
FBI Agents Wednesday broke up a plot to sell $189,000
worth of military submachine guns to the Castro
government in Cuba by arresting two AWOL airmen and
a woman in North Carolina, the Justice Department
announced. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover said the
arrests followed a three-day investigation after FBI
agents in Miami, Fla., learned that two men in Air
Force uniforms had offered to deliver 540 of the
military-type weapons tp Cuba for $350 each.
The FBI identified the arrested persons as Jack
Barclay Frandsen 35, an AWOL Air-Force enlisted man
and Luther Douglas Gillis, 34, also AWOL from the
Air-Force and Mrs. Vivian Lake Fisher of New Orleans.
Gillis and Frandsen were arrested near the Camp
Lejeune Marine Corps base in North Carolina.
Mrs. Fisher was arrested by the FBI in Wilmington,
N.C. The arrests were based on a complaint by
the FBI in Miami charging the three with
conspiring to steal U. S. owned guns from Camp
Lejuene.
Hoover said the FBI’s investigation on this matter
began Dec. 20. The undercover agent flew with them
to Wilmington. He and Mrs. Fisher remained there
while the other two men left for Camp Lejeune
 in a rented truck. It was planned to fly the guns out of
Wilmington in a rented plane.
Frandsen and Gillis have been absent without leave
from Sheppard Air Force Base, Wichita Falls since
Dec. 8. Gillis 34, has a previous record for
drunkeness and carrying of concealed weapons, the FBI
said. Frandsen, 35, was born in Des Moines, Iowa. He
was arrested for defrauding by worthless checks at
Brownsville, Texas on Feb. 16, 1952 and received an
80-day sentence, the FBI said. Frandsen also has been
convicted of breach of peace, vagrancy and
intoxication. Last June 11, Frandsen was dropped
from the rolls by the Air Force as a deserter, However
on Sept. 2, he voluntarily returned to Sheppard Air Force
Base.
 

 

I also have to take exception, although I highly respect Larry Hancock

to the idea that the drug transaction is peripherally related to

the assassination, in the sense that one of the persons

in Oswald's lineups Daniel Lujan Gutierrrez, was according to

the maryferrell.org website arrested on 11/21/63; the charge

I am not able to ascertain, but he did serve a life sentence for heroin

possession, it was later appealed to higher court where the appeal

was denied see google scholar.

http://scholar.googl...=en&as_sdt=6,44

 

The testimony of Daniel Gutierrez Lujan was taken at 10:10 a.m., on April 9, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. BALL. Mr. Lujan, will you stand up and be sworn, please.
Hold up your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give to this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were asked to come in here and testify, were you not, in this matter? You were asked to come here?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you not?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And this Commission has been appointed to inquire into the facts and circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy.
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And we're informed that you--that there is certain information that might be of some value to the Commission in coming to their conclusion, and we have asked you to come in here and testify.
Are you willing to testify to whatever you know?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is Mr. Ely and my name is Ball. We are both staff officers with the Commission. Will you please state your name?
Mr. LUJAN. Daniel Gutierrez Lujan.
Mr. BALL. Where do you live?
Mr. LUJAN. I live 184 Lear.
Mr. BALL. Dallas?
Mr. LUJAN. Dallas, Tex.
Mr. BALL. What is your occupation?
Mr. LUJAN. I work in a meat company, butcher and general help.
Mr. BALL. I see. Where were you born?
Mr. LUJAN. Tyler, Tex.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to school there?
Mr. LUJAN. No; I went to school in San Antonio and here in Dallas.
Mr. BALL. In Dallas?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How far did you go through school?
Mr. LUJAN. Went to about seventh grade.
Mr. BALL. Then did you go to work?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go to work.
Mr. LUJAN. Palmer & Ray.
Mr. BALL. Red?
Mr. LUJAN. Ray & Palmer.
Mr. BALL. How long did you work there?
Mr. LUJAN. I worked there about 2 1/2 years.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go then?
Mr. LUJAN. Direct Delivery Service.

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Mr. BALL. Direct to where?
Mr. LUJAN. Delivery Service.
Mr. BALL. Delivery Service?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How long did you work there?
Mr. LUJAN. I worked about 3 years.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. LUJAN. Then had to go to Huntsville. I went to Huntsville.
Mr. BALL. I didn't hear that.
Mr. LUJAN. I went to Huntsville Penitentiary.
Mr. BALL. You sent to Huntsville Prison?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. For what charge?
Mr. LUJAN. Possession of narcotics.
Mr. BALL. How long were you there?
Mr. LUJAN. Three years.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. LUJAN. I gout out and started working at Schepps. Schepps Wholesale Groceries.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go.
Mr. LUJAN. T. & W.
Mr. BALL. From Schepps? You're still there?
Mr. LUJAN. No; T. & W. Meat Co.
Mr. BALL. What?
Mr. LUJAN. T. & W.
Mr. BALL. How long did you work for Schepps?
Mr. LUJAN. Three and a half years?
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. LUJAN. T. & W.
Mr. BALL. I see. November 22, 1963, you were in jail, weren't you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What was the charge?
Mr. LUJAN. Investigation.
Mr. BALL. Of what?
Mr. LUJAN. Investigation of narcotics.
Mr. BALL. Of narcotics?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And when were you arrested?
Mr. LUJAN. I was arrested the day before that.
Mr. BALL. That is, November 22--21?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; day before the assassination.
Mr. BALL. Before the assassination?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How long did you stay in jail?
Mr. LUJAN. Until Sunday.
Mr. BALL. Then did they release you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You were not charged with anything?
Mr. LUJAN. No.
Mr. BALL. Now, are they--on Friday, November 22, 1963, did you take part in a showup?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What time of day was it?
Mr. LUJAN. It was--I don't recall, about 1 o'clock, probably in the afternoon.
Mr. BALL. Was it in the afternoon?
Mr. LUJAN. I don't remember.
Mr. BALL. Or What?
Mr. LUJAN. That was a Saturday.
Mr. BALL. Saturday, yes. You didn't take part in any showups on Friday?
Mr. LUJAN. No; just on showup and Saturday----
Mr. BALL. So, Saturday you took part in one showup?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.

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Mr. BALL. Who asked you to do that?
Mr. LUJAN. An officer went in there and told me to stand up and I stand up and he looked at me and said, "Come out."
So, I came out, and he went and got three more.
Mr. BALL. Got three more?
Mr. LUJAN. Got three more fellows.
Mr. BALL. Three more fellows from jail?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you know them?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen them before?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Have you ever seen them since?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did they look like?
Mr. LUJAN. About my size, darker.
Mr. BALL. What is your size? What is your weight?
Mr. LUJAN. Weight about 170.
Mr. BALL. What is your height?
Mr. LUJAN. About 5'8".
Mr. BALL. And your hair is dark?
Mr. LUJAN. Black.
Mr. BALL. It is black hair. And your eyes?
Mr. LUJAN. Brown.
Mr. BALL. And brown, and, your complexion?
Mr. LUJAN. Olive?
Mr. BALL. Are you of Mexican descent?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You are very fair in color for a Mexican.
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You have fair skin, haven't you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did the other man look like in the showup with you?
Mr. LUJAN. Oh, about my coloring, and about----
Mr. BALL. Same coloring?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Or anywhere near the coloring of Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You saw Oswald, didn't you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stand in the showup?
Mr. LUJAN. I was standing next to him, right next to him.
Mr. BALL. Right next to him?
Mr. LUJAN Were you handcuffed to him?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear him say anything?
Mr. LUJAN. He said he wanted a T-shirt. He wanted a T-shirt.
Mr. BALL. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. BALL. On the record. Let me see, did I ask you where you were standing in the lineup?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were what would be----
Mr. LUJAN. Right next to him.
Mr. BALL. Which was the right, to your right?
Mr. LUJAN. No; he was standing right here, handcuffed----
Mr. BALL. To the right?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were handcuffed to Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. He was complaining, was he?

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Mr. LUJAN. About having a T-shirt, and wanted a jacket or something.
Mr. BALL. How were you dressed?
Mr. LUJAN. I had a jacket and a shirt.
Mr. BALL. What color shirt?
Mr. LUJAN. I don't--kind of blue shirt and brown jacket.
Mr. BALL. Brown jacket?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Any tie on?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective ask you name?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And did you tell him your name?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he ask your occupation?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. LUJAN. Working for S. & F. Meat Co.
Mr. BALL. Ask you anything else?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; that's all. Phone number.
Mr. BALL. Phone number and your address?
Mr. LUJAN. Address, phone number.
Mr. BALL. Did he ask the other men any showup questions?
Mr. LUJAN. No; just asked my name and address and phone number is all.
Mr. BALL. That's all? Did he ask that of Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. No, he didn't ask Oswald nothing.
Mr. BALL. Oswald was doing some talking?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was he shouting loud?
Mr. LUJAN. He was shouting. He--he was shouting, said all of us had a shirt on and he had a T-shirt on. He wanted a shirt or something.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective say anything to you--or him?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; just took us out. They didn't have the showup. Left about a minute.
Mr. BALL. Then you left?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; took us out back to the cell.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean they didn't have a showup? They did have you in there and he did ask you questions?
Mr. LUJAN. He didn't ask questions. He started--he wanted a shirt, and that's all.
Mr. BALL. They asked you questions, didn't they?
Mr. LUJAN. No; they didn't ask nobody questions.
Mr. BALL. Oh, he asked you your name and address and asked the others their name and address?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did they ask Oswald his name and address?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes--I mean no, sir.
Mr. BALL. I think that is all, Mr. Lujan. You can leave.
Mr. LUJAN. All right.
Mr. BALL. Do you have a picture of yourself?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; not with me.
Mr. BALL. We have your address where you are working?
Mr. LUJAN. 2405 South Ervay.


Edited by Robert Howard, 22 December 2013 - 01:38 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:45 PM

I would only say that the following person[s]

would at least be a person of interest. Also

since the person "who was the drug courier"

irrespective of whether it was the person

below was even alive today, he would

not, I believe be charged for anything

because of the statute of limitations.....

 

NO TITLE pg 9
RIF#: 124-90093-10025   (11/06/69)   FBI#: CR 92-2801-75
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Nofio Pecora
NO 92-47 1969 red Ford registered to Hertz Rent-A-Car Company and rented by LUTHER D GILLIS Jordano Construction Company,.720 Hind Avenue Kenner Louisiana 1969 Cadillac bearing 1969 Louisiana license 247 B 451 registered to Perfecto Food Products, 3505 Gravier Street
PAUL TITUS advised that New Orleans Police Department units followed PALMISANO who was driving a red 1969 Ford registered to Hertz Rent-A-Car from Town and Country Motel to the Morning Call Coffee Shop, French Market, New Orleans. There were three individuals in this car, two of which could not be identified by the New Orleans Police Department. TITUS    observed that the two above individuals {LUTHER D GILLIS AND ANGELO PALMISANO}then sat in the Morning Call Coffee Shop with two unidentified individuals, one of which is believed to be FRANK NATASSA. TITUS advised that photographs of the five individuals were taken by New Orleans Police Department and he made available these pictures to the FBI   
TONY TOCCO son of WILLIAM “BLACK BILL” TACCO Detroit who is a first cousin to TONY ZERILLI, was also considered a possibly being identical with the TONY who visited New Orleans on February 18, 1969.
is identical with ANTHONY CARRADO.
page 11
NO-T-61 further advised that DOMINICK CORRADO, brother of ANTHONY CARRADO has close connection in New Orleans with CARLOS MARCELLO  


http://www.ancientfa...gillis/61736763


FBI Arrests Trio in Plot to Sell Arms to Castro;
WASHINGTON (UPI) 12-24-1959
FBI Agents Wednesday broke up a plot to sell $189,000
worth of military submachine guns to the Castro
government in Cuba by arresting two AWOL airmen and
a woman in North Carolina, the Justice Department
announced. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover said the
arrests followed a three-day investigation after FBI
agents in Miami, Fla., learned that two men in Air
Force uniforms had offered to deliver 540 of the
military-type weapons tp Cuba for $350 each.
The FBI identified the arrested persons as Jack
Barclay Frandsen 35, an AWOL Air-Force enlisted man
and Luther Douglas Gillis, 34, also AWOL from the
Air-Force and Mrs. Vivian Lake Fisher of New Orleans.
Gillis and Frandsen were arrested near the Camp
Lejeune Marine Corps base in North Carolina.
Mrs. Fisher was arrested by the FBI in Wilmington,
N.C. The arrests were based on a complaint by
the FBI in Miami charging the three with
conspiring to steal U. S. owned guns from Camp
Lejuene.
Hoover said the FBI’s investigation on this matter
began Dec. 20. The undercover agent flew with them
to Wilmington. He and Mrs. Fisher remained there
while the other two men left for Camp Lejeune
 in a rented truck. It was planned to fly the guns out of
Wilmington in a rented plane.
Frandsen and Gillis have been absent without leave
from Sheppard Air Force Base, Wichita Falls since
Dec. 8. Gillis 34, has a previous record for
drunkeness and carrying of concealed weapons, the FBI
said. Frandsen, 35, was born in Des Moines, Iowa. He
was arrested for defrauding by worthless checks at
Brownsville, Texas on Feb. 16, 1952 and received an
80-day sentence, the FBI said. Frandsen also has been
convicted of breach of peace, vagrancy and
intoxication. Last June 11, Frandsen was dropped
from the rolls by the Air Force as a deserter, However
on Sept. 2, he voluntarily returned to Sheppard Air Force
Base.
 

 

I also have to take exception, although I highly respect Larry Hancock

to the idea that the drug transaction is peripherally related to

the assassination, in the sense that one of the persons

in Oswald's lineups Daniel Lujan Gutierrrez, was according to

the maryferrell.org website arrested on 11/21/63; the charge

I am not able to ascertain, but he did serve a life sentence for heroin

possession, it was later appealed to higher court where the appeal

was denied see google scholar.

http://scholar.googl...=en&as_sdt=6,44

 

The testimony of Daniel Gutierrez Lujan was taken at 10:10 a.m., on April 9, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. BALL. Mr. Lujan, will you stand up and be sworn, please.
Hold up your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give to this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were asked to come in here and testify, were you not, in this matter? You were asked to come here?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you not?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And this Commission has been appointed to inquire into the facts and circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy.
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And we're informed that you--that there is certain information that might be of some value to the Commission in coming to their conclusion, and we have asked you to come in here and testify.
Are you willing to testify to whatever you know?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is Mr. Ely and my name is Ball. We are both staff officers with the Commission. Will you please state your name?
Mr. LUJAN. Daniel Gutierrez Lujan.
Mr. BALL. Where do you live?
Mr. LUJAN. I live 184 Lear.
Mr. BALL. Dallas?
Mr. LUJAN. Dallas, Tex.
Mr. BALL. What is your occupation?
Mr. LUJAN. I work in a meat company, butcher and general help.
Mr. BALL. I see. Where were you born?
Mr. LUJAN. Tyler, Tex.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to school there?
Mr. LUJAN. No; I went to school in San Antonio and here in Dallas.
Mr. BALL. In Dallas?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How far did you go through school?
Mr. LUJAN. Went to about seventh grade.
Mr. BALL. Then did you go to work?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go to work.
Mr. LUJAN. Palmer & Ray.
Mr. BALL. Red?
Mr. LUJAN. Ray & Palmer.
Mr. BALL. How long did you work there?
Mr. LUJAN. I worked there about 2 1/2 years.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go then?
Mr. LUJAN. Direct Delivery Service.

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Mr. BALL. Direct to where?
Mr. LUJAN. Delivery Service.
Mr. BALL. Delivery Service?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How long did you work there?
Mr. LUJAN. I worked about 3 years.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. LUJAN. Then had to go to Huntsville. I went to Huntsville.
Mr. BALL. I didn't hear that.
Mr. LUJAN. I went to Huntsville Penitentiary.
Mr. BALL. You sent to Huntsville Prison?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. For what charge?
Mr. LUJAN. Possession of narcotics.
Mr. BALL. How long were you there?
Mr. LUJAN. Three years.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. LUJAN. I got out and started working at Schepps. Schepps Wholesale Groceries.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go.
Mr. LUJAN. T. & W.
Mr. BALL. From Schepps? You're still there?
Mr. LUJAN. No; T. & W. Meat Co.
Mr. BALL. What?
Mr. LUJAN. T. & W.
Mr. BALL. How long did you work for Schepps?
Mr. LUJAN. Three and a half years?
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. LUJAN. T. & W.
Mr. BALL. I see. November 22, 1963, you were in jail, weren't you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What was the charge?
Mr. LUJAN. Investigation.
Mr. BALL. Of what?
Mr. LUJAN. Investigation of narcotics.
Mr. BALL. Of narcotics?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And when were you arrested?
Mr. LUJAN. I was arrested the day before that.
Mr. BALL. That is, November 22--21?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; day before the assassination.
Mr. BALL. Before the assassination?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How long did you stay in jail?
Mr. LUJAN. Until Sunday.
Mr. BALL. Then did they release you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You were not charged with anything?
Mr. LUJAN. No.
Mr. BALL. Now, are they--on Friday, November 22, 1963, did you take part in a showup?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What time of day was it?
Mr. LUJAN. It was--I don't recall, about 1 o'clock, probably in the afternoon.
Mr. BALL. Was it in the afternoon?
Mr. LUJAN. I don't remember.
Mr. BALL. Or What?
Mr. LUJAN. That was a Saturday.
Mr. BALL. Saturday, yes. You didn't take part in any showups on Friday?
Mr. LUJAN. No; just on showup and Saturday----
Mr. BALL. So, Saturday you took part in one showup?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.

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Mr. BALL. Who asked you to do that?
Mr. LUJAN. An officer went in there and told me to stand up and I stand up and he looked at me and said, "Come out."
So, I came out, and he went and got three more.
Mr. BALL. Got three more?
Mr. LUJAN. Got three more fellows.
Mr. BALL. Three more fellows from jail?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you know them?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen them before?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Have you ever seen them since?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did they look like?
Mr. LUJAN. About my size, darker.
Mr. BALL. What is your size? What is your weight?
Mr. LUJAN. Weight about 170.
Mr. BALL. What is your height?
Mr. LUJAN. About 5'8".
Mr. BALL. And your hair is dark?
Mr. LUJAN. Black.
Mr. BALL. It is black hair. And your eyes?
Mr. LUJAN. Brown.
Mr. BALL. And brown, and, your complexion?
Mr. LUJAN. Olive?
Mr. BALL. Are you of Mexican descent?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You are very fair in color for a Mexican.
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You have fair skin, haven't you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did the other man look like in the showup with you?
Mr. LUJAN. Oh, about my coloring, and about----
Mr. BALL. Same coloring?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Or anywhere near the coloring of Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You saw Oswald, didn't you?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stand in the showup?
Mr. LUJAN. I was standing next to him, right next to him.
Mr. BALL. Right next to him?
Mr. LUJAN Were you handcuffed to him?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear him say anything?
Mr. LUJAN. He said he wanted a T-shirt. He wanted a T-shirt.
Mr. BALL. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. BALL. On the record. Let me see, did I ask you where you were standing in the lineup?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were what would be----
Mr. LUJAN. Right next to him.
Mr. BALL. Which was the right, to your right?
Mr. LUJAN. No; he was standing right here, handcuffed----
Mr. BALL. To the right?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were handcuffed to Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. He was complaining, was he?

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Mr. LUJAN. About having a T-shirt, and wanted a jacket or something.
Mr. BALL. How were you dressed?
Mr. LUJAN. I had a jacket and a shirt.
Mr. BALL. What color shirt?
Mr. LUJAN. I don't--kind of blue shirt and brown jacket.
Mr. BALL. Brown jacket?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Any tie on?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective ask you name?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And did you tell him your name?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he ask your occupation?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. LUJAN. Working for S. & F. Meat Co.
Mr. BALL. Ask you anything else?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; that's all. Phone number.
Mr. BALL. Phone number and your address?
Mr. LUJAN. Address, phone number.
Mr. BALL. Did he ask the other men any showup questions?
Mr. LUJAN. No; just asked my name and address and phone number is all.
Mr. BALL. That's all? Did he ask that of Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. No, he didn't ask Oswald nothing.
Mr. BALL. Oswald was doing some talking?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was he shouting loud?
Mr. LUJAN. He was shouting. He--he was shouting, said all of us had a shirt on and he had a T-shirt on. He wanted a shirt or something.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective say anything to you--or him?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; just took us out. They didn't have the showup. Left about a minute.
Mr. BALL. Then you left?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; took us out back to the cell.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean they didn't have a showup? They did have you in there and he did ask you questions?
Mr. LUJAN. He didn't ask questions. He started--he wanted a shirt, and that's all.
Mr. BALL. They asked you questions, didn't they?
Mr. LUJAN. No; they didn't ask nobody questions.
Mr. BALL. Oh, he asked you your name and address and asked the others their name and address?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did they ask Oswald his name and address?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes--I mean no, sir.
Mr. BALL. I think that is all, Mr. Lujan. You can leave.
Mr. LUJAN. All right.
Mr. BALL. Do you have a picture of yourself?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; not with me.
Mr. BALL. We have your address where you are working?
Mr. LUJAN. 2405 South Ervay.

 

Robert,

 

I can see how Nofio Pecora might be a person of interest in the Rose Cheramie Incident.

 

Question:  Was William "Black Jack" Tocco's name misspelled "Tacco" in the original document?

 

I don't think the inclusion of drug addict (and/or drug dealer) Lujan in one of Oswald's lineups is suspicious.  He was in jail, and therefore convenient, at the time.

 

How do you see Frandsen and Gillis tying into the Rose Cheramie Incident or the JFK assassination?

 

--Tommy  :sun


Edited by Thomas Graves, 22 December 2013 - 09:13 PM.





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