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#16 James Richards

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 12:19 AM

I should have elaborated on that loose connection between Shore and the movie, 'Pajama Party'.

It is via the guy who composed the score, Les Baxter. Baxter was a close friend of Sinatra's and did lots of big band arrangements for him. Baxter recorded 5 albums for Reprise during the 1962 - 64 period. Shore being the ad exec at Reprise was behind the industry push.

FWIW.

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 05:42 AM

Greg,  on a side note,  Belli's law partner has described receiving a call from the Desert Inn,  from a fellow he had known in Havana,  right after Ruby shot Oswald.  The call was for Belli and the caller wanted him to defend Ruby but under the condition that all payments would be represeted as  coming from Ruby's brother.

The caller was most likely Roselli. Hinckle and Turner identify Gruber as having associated with Roselli in L.A.  Peter Dale Scott identifies Grumer as a long time associate of Cohen.

Also,  on November 12th,  Ruby phoned Candy Barr and talked to her for 14 min.  She had been Cohen's favorite girl for awhile and there is good reason to supposed Cohen and several L.A. folks knew of Ruby through her, Ruby tried to intervene when she was sent up for drugs.  There was supposed to be a dynamite book on her a couple of years ago but supposedly it got pulled before publication.

I suggest somebody check Ruby's testimony on the Gruber call about this because I'm virtually certain he says he called Gruber about his media or film connections and that might indeed give a tie -- and that is something Kilgalen might have dug up and used as an introduction.  Hck,  Jack may have still had an idea he might end up in a book himself...hers.
 


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Larry, I checked. Here is his testimony on Gruber:

I still remained around the club there. I am sure I was crying pretty bad. I think I made a long-distance call to California. This fellow had just visited me, and I had known him in the days back in Chicago when we were very young, in the real tough part of Chicago. His name is Al Gruber. He was a bad kid in those days, but he is quite reformed. He is married and has a family, and I am sure he makes a very legitimate livelihood at this time.
He happened to come through a couple of nights prior to that to try to interest me, or 4 or 5 days prior to that, to interest me in a new kind--you follow the story as I tell it?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes.
Mr. RUBY. It is important, very important. It is on a new kind of machine that washes cars. You pay with tokens. It is a new thing. I don't know if it faded out or not. He tried to interest my brother, Sammy, because Sammy sold his washateria.
And my sister was in the hospital when he first came. I am going back a little bit. Sammy didn't go to the hospital, and we needed to tell Sammy about this particular thing, and that is the reason Al Gruber came into the picture, because he came to try to interest my brother, Sammy, in this new washateria deal to wash cars.
He left and went to California, but before he went to California I promised him my dachshund dog.
When this thing happened, I called him. He said, "Yes, we are just watching on television." And I couldn't carry on more conversation. I said, "Al, I have to hang up."


Do the records confirm this call, and the short length of it (according to the above)?

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 07:47 AM

So to recap and to put all the pieces of information together:

Sinatra co-founded Reprise. Baxter, Sinatra's friend recorded for Reprise. Mike Shore was employed by Reprise. Ruby knew Shore. Kilgallen and her kid appeared in a movie for which the score was composed Baxter.

Earl Ruby and Irwin Weiner went to school with Mike Shore. Earl and Mike were raising funds for the defence of Jack Ruby.

In any case there is a definite connection from Kilgallen to Shore to Ruby.

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 08:09 AM

We now have a good team of people willing to share their research. this thread is a good example of “community intelligence” (the original objective of Tim Berners Lee when he developed the web). He was concerned with scientific research but I think we are showing that it can be done with history.

Those people living in America might be interested in following up David B. Henschel’s research into Kilgallen. The three main people he interviewed in 1993 can be found here:

Ron Pataky, 5656 Hazelwood Rd., Columbus, Ohio 43229 614-436-6079

Ms. Lee Israel, 98 Riverside Dr. Apt. 2G, New York, New York 10024 212-724-1110

Mark Lane, 105 2nd St. NE Washington, DC 20002 202-547-6700

It is of course possible that they have moved since then. I don't think Henschel interviewed Pataky about his links with the CIA (he had not got this bit of the story). It would be interesting to discover the real reasons why Israel did not name Pataky in her book.

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#20 Larry Hancock

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 12:48 PM

Greg, I'm pretty sure the call was longer than that, three or four minutes
at a minimum. Also there is some other commentary somewhere on that
call, perhaps in his polygraphy test but certainly somewhere in which he
expounds a bit more and says that one of the reasons for the call was that he was thinking of sending Gruber one of his dogs.

Also:

He happened to come through a couple of nights prior to that to try to interest me, or 4 or 5 days prior to that, to interest me in a new kind--you follow the story as I tell it?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes.
Mr. RUBY. It is important, very important

....once again he telegraphs to Warren that this call to Gruber is "important,
very important" yet covers it up with reference to a new machine for a washiteria.
Somehow it seems a little strange to be telling a Chief Justice during an investigation of the murder of a President that a new device for a washiteria is "very, very important." Actually I don't think they were following Ruby's real
story very well at all.

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 03:10 PM

Larry,

Also there is some other commentary somewhere on that
call, perhaps in his polygraphy test but certainly somewhere in which he
expounds a bit more and says that one of the reasons for the call was that he was thinking of sending Gruber one of his dogs.

Alex Gruber's testimony before the HSCA is volume IX beginning on page 431 (page 439 in the online version).

http://www.history-m..._Vol9_0220a.htm

They refer to FBI interviews of Gruber in 1963 and 1964, but I don't spot them right away in the WC index of names. It's interesting that the HSCA notes that a letter Gruber sent Ruby several months after the shooting was missing from the Dallas Police Department files.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 08:16 AM

John - I noted your comment:

In reality, Monroe had been killed to implicate the Kennedy brothers in murder. At the time, the murderers must have been confident that JFK would be ousted from power.  

I'd be interested to know on what sources or on what information you base this statement.

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We know that the secret services had full knowledge of JFK and RFK relationship with Marilyn Monroe. In fact, RFK disclosed in a private interview in 1964 (not intended for publication) that Hoover regularly briefed him about the information that he had about the Kennedys. This is why JFK changed his mind and agreed that Hoover should not be forced to retire as head of the FBI.

Hoover therefore had to real reason to want JFK ousted. Right-wing elements in the CIA of course did want him out.

The timing of Dorothy Kilgallen’s story on JFK and Monroe is significant. Although she had it for a long time she never published it until the day before Monroe was found dead. Kilgallen had told friends that she would never publish stories about JFK’s affairs. Why did she change her mind? I suspect that she came under pressure from someone who wanted people to link the Kennedy’s with Monroe’s death. Other stories emerged that Robert Kennedy was seen close to Monroe’s home on the day she died. This story is included as fact in Donald Spoto’s book, Marilyn Monroe (1993). RFK was actually in San Francisco on the day she died (backed up by newspaper reports and the Bates family who provided him with accommodation for the night).

Other books by Donald Woolfe (The Assassination of Marilyn Monroe – 1998) and Sarah Churchwell (The Many Lives of Marilyn Monroe – 2004) suggest that there was a concerted effort to get the story of the Kennedy brothers affair with Monroe out into the public domain at the time of her death. This included the efforts of George Smathers, the Democratic senator for Florida. Smathers had close links to both the CIA and the anti-Castro groups based in Florida. Smathers had been a close friend of JFK (they used to chase girls together) but fell out over the president’s policy towards Cuba.

Another example of this smear campaign is the forged CIA document about Kilgallen and Monrow. Dated the 3rd August 1962, the document claims that Kilgallen was being provided with information by Howard Rothberg, a lawyer working for Marilyn Monroe. The report also covers conversations taking place between Monroe and Robert Kennedy. The CIA document claims that Monroe was threatening to tell secrets that she had obtained from her relationship with JFK. This included the claim that Monroe "knew of the President's plan to kill Castro". This document was dated two days before Monroe was found dead.

I believe that elements within the CIA believed that Monroe’s death would result in JFK being forced from office. When that plot did not work they were forced to seek more dramatic measures.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 06:47 PM

Frank Sinatra. In 1960 he co-founded Reprise Records, where he recorded exclusively after 1963. Any help?

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Interestingly, Kilgallen had a long running dispute with Sinatra. It all started in October, 1952 when she revealed that Ava Garner was “living it up North of the Rio Grande”. Eight days later reported he was contemplating suicide over the break-up with Garner.

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It is Ava Gardner...not Garner.

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 07:55 AM

According to Lee Israel the journalist Thayer Waldo discovered that Jack Ruby, J. D. Tippet and Bernard Weismann had a meeting at the Carousel Club eight days before the assassination. Waldo, who worked for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, was too scared to publish the story. He had other information about the assassination. However, he believed that if he told Lane or Kilgallen he would be killed. Kilgallen's article on the Tippit, Ruby and Weissman meeting eventually appeared on the front page of the Journal American.

I have found out a bit of information about Thayer Waldo. By 1963 he had been a journalist for 24 years. He joined the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in 1962. Interestingly, before that he had worked as a foreign correspondant in Mexico and Cuba. He told the Warren Commission he had left Cuba after Fidel Castro gained power.

Waldo was also the first journalist to arrive at Dallas Police Station after the assassination. He was there when they brought in the rifle found in TSBD. Later he watched them bring in Oswald. Walso told the Warren Commission that he had an important informant in the Dallas Police. His name was Lieutenant George Butler. According to Michael Benson, Butler was an associate of H. L. Hunt. Butler was also the man in charge of Oswald's transfer when he was killed by Ruby. Surprisingly, Butler was never asked to testify to the Warren Commission.

Did Waldo ever publish any of this information he had in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram? Anyone else got information on Waldo and Butler?

What happened to Butler? Benson claims that Butler also provided information to Penn Jones. This included the claim that 50% of the DPD were also members of the KKK.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 12:26 PM

Here's something I came across on the net. It's an interesting article which puts together a bunch of information from various biographies, books, statement and facts.

If most of the stuff in this article is true, it reinforces the connections between Sinatra, Monroe, Giancana and the Kennedy's, all through Marilyn. If the facts are straight, Marilyn wasn't the only lady JFK, Giancana and Sinatra shared (Judyth Exner was the other).

Now, if we take the connections back through the people mentioned above, we have links from Giancana to Sinatra to Shore to Ruby.

Any thoughts on the article below. I tried to clean up the rough language...

http://archive.salon...01/16/cal_neva/

A seedy resort in Lake Tahoe hosted Monroe, Sinatra and the Kennedys -- sometimes all at once.
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By Jack Boulware

Jan. 16, 2001 | LAKE TAHOE, Calif. -- I'm standing in the circular bar of the Cal-Neva Resort, which is nestled on the rocky North Shore of Lake Tahoe. Built in the 1930s, the chalet-style main building boasts of being America's first licensed casino. But thanks to former co-owners Frank Sinatra and Sam Giancana, it's best known as a mobster and celebrity getaway. The bartender gestures out the windows to three little cabins on a slope just above the lake.
"There you see 3, 4 and 5," she points. "Three was where Marilyn stayed. It had the circular bed, and that's where she got it on with JFK. There's all sorts of catacombs underneath here. When I first started working here I stepped in the wrong place and fell 6 feet through the floor."
"Was there anything down there?" I ask.
"No," she replies, "but I broke two of my toes."
Lake Tahoe is the third-deepest alpine lake in North America, a puddle of endless mysteries. Many have drowned in its freezing water over the years, but their bodies are never found. Perhaps through osmosis, the Cal-Neva is also endlessly mysterious, a creepy ghost from America's alternative history. From the 1940s through the 1960s, the place jumped with movie stars, politicians and hoodlums. In later years, it sat boarded up and neglected, until a Southern California businessman bought it in 1985 and reopened it as a resort and spa. The original casino tables and wagon wheel light fixtures remain, and the gift shop sells Rat Pack memorabilia. But underneath all the scrubbing, the air still reeks of gangsters and sex.
The buildings sit off the main road, back in the trees, and were constructed on the very border of California and Nevada. A painted line bisects the fireplace of the Indian Room, and extends across the floor, out the window, through the swimming pool and into the lake. In the years before air travel became Greyhound with wings, Cal-Neva was where you whisked away your mistress and caught a show by Lena Horne or Red Skelton. While picking up the family Christmas tree at Lake Tahoe each year, Joe Kennedy reportedly brought along his secretary for surreptitious scrumps.
According to various biographies, Sinatra bought the place in 1960, in partnership with Giancana, and reserved three bungalows with the best views of the lake -- one for himself, the other two for broads and pals. He added on the Frank Sinatra Celebrity Showroom, installed a helicopter pad on the roof and hired Skinny D'Amato to be manager, and for the next three years, the horses were out of the chute.
Those titillated by the most recent wave of Rat Pack-era nostalgia -- including the Kevin Costner film "Thirteen Days," about the Cuban missile crisis, and an upcoming Marilyn Monroe miniseries based on Joyce Carol Oates' latest tome -- will be happy to hear that the 350-seat showroom is still in use today. The hallway leading to the room is lined with memories of drinking and other high jinks, including photos of Monroe, Sinatra and other members of the Rat Pack. One shot is of Sinatra in a laughing crowd, wearing a Cal-Neva Shriner fez while a blond in a low-cut dress looks on. Another shows Sinatra chatting with a smiling Monroe, their table bristling with liquor bottles and glasses.
I climb onto the stage of the empty room and clap my hands. The acoustics are perfect. I imagine the man swaggering around with the band cooking behind him, a paisano on his home turf, in his prime -- not merely crooning like that pxxxy Perry Como. Sinatra knew how to swing dxxk and give 'em a show. Razzle-dazzle horn section, a few slow heartbreakers for the chicks and naughty patter in between -- like this boozy one-liner Sinatra tossed out during a gig recorded in 1962:
"This is a new concoction we whipped up yesterday afternoon when we were out here rehearsing. It's, ah, it's half prune juice and a touch of Tang; it's called a prune-tang."
After the shows, Ol' Blue Eyes had his choice of backstage bxxx jxxx. Dino (Dean Martin) himself once said, "When Sinatra dies, they're giving his zipper to the Smithsonian."
What a place the Cal-Neva must have been: goons opening the doors of big sedans at the entrance, high rollers coming to Tahoe to lose their shirts, bxxx a couple of hookers and catch the last scraps of pre-rock 'n' roll showbiz. Audiences often saw Monroe in the front row, cackling into her Dom Perignon, her breasts spilling out of her dress. Those were the days when entertainers got sxxxfaced in public like good Americans -- before the dawn of "Entertainment Tonight" and the rest of the sniggering media pests. It was a time when the biggest singer in the world could sing a lyric right to the twinkling eyes of the international sex icon, sharing a look that said, "I'll see you back at bungalow No. 3."
With Monroe's insatiable desire to be the best and have the best, it's no surprise she would link up with the chairman of the board. Their affair was hot and cold for years, and she believed he would actually propose to her.
She played the sex card early and often, and while her sultry bitch-in-heat image turned every male into a slobbering wolf, she focused her energies on the picks of the litter. Her affairs embraced the most powerful men in the free world: Sinatra, the King. Marlon Brando, the actor's actor. Yves Montand, the sexy Frenchy. Joe DiMaggio, the best-loved player baseball ever produced. Arthur Miller, the Pulitzer-winning playwright. The Kennedy brothers, president of the free world and the nation's top cop. Before the insanity was over, she was even sneaking into the White House and calling the president at home. You don't have to be famous to succumb to crazy love, but it seems to help.
Biographers always linger on the fact that Monroe was not considered a great lover. For her, sex was clearly something else, something from deep inside her past, perhaps a horribly wrong experience from childhood. She masked it with a hunger for knowledge, a quest for control. In that sense, Sinatra the bully was her perfect match. At the dawn of the 1960s, both were at the top of their game, having the time of their lives, yet too famous to have anything approximating normal lives. Both possessed depressive and lethargic personalities when not performing, and needed an audience to give them meaning and purpose. Their public personas were transparent enough to keep the broken part of them visible, where all classes of people could see their own insecurities. The sexpot and the saloon singer were together because in some sick way they deserved each other. And in Tahoe, they were just two doors apart.
Little of this information, of course, came to light until many years later. If Monroe and Sinatra and the Kennedys were alive today, exposing butt thongs and staining dresses, it wouldn't hold. Our piranha tabloid culture would instantly smell the blood, and the Cal-Neva casino would be swarmed with reporters, the roads lined with TV trucks, the skies covered with choppers.
It's very quiet in the Lakeview Restaurant. A waitress says that Sinatra's favorite table was the third booth from the entrance. I stand there and observe a postcard scene out the plate-glass windows. Sinatra made it a point to bring his latest girl home to Jersey to taste his mom's special home-cooked pasta. No doubt the chef at the Cal-Neva was instructed to cook it the same way. I can see Sinatra nuzzling a broad in this booth, the special marinara sauce untouched in front of them, other diners sneaking glances at the mating dance.
I'm eventually introduced to Mike, the resort's security guard. We chat a bit and he agrees to take me on a tour of the secret underground tunnels. We descend a flight of stairs and end up in a walkway that leads out from the kitchen and splits into two paths. One ended up in Sinatra's cabin -- No. 5; the other led to Monroe's cabin -- No. 3. We walk down the Monroe tunnel, a cement-floor corridor lined with cinder blocks, until it stops in a dead end. It has been sealed off for years, Mike says.
"After he died, we had all the 'Hard Copy' TV shows down here filming it." Mike indicates a life-size cardboard cutout of Monroe, leaning against the wall. Spice it up for the cameras, what the hell.
I try to picture the scene 40 years ago: Monroe clipping down this tunnel in a skintight dress and high heels, a bottle of champagne in her hand. Is that Sinatra chasing behind her, squeezing her ass? Or is it a Kennedy?
Mike says the cabins are due to be torn down this year to make room for condos. He doesn't have the keys to Sinatra's room, so we peek inside the windows. I can see portraits of the singer and the original cheap wicker furniture. Bad puns come to mind. Was this where he "did it his way," where he came for a little "Ring-a-ding-ding"?
Mike has a key to the Monroe cabin, and we walk inside. There's a framed portrait of her on the wall. The bed is round and tiny. She was small, maybe 5-foot-5. It looks like a snug fit for one person, let alone two. I sit on it and bounce for a moment. The action this mattress must have seen -- journalists and conspiracy theorists have gone nuts attempting to trace the inhabitants of this bed. Maybe she even boffed Peter Lawford here, the Kennedys' loser bagman, just to throw him a bone. And there were undoubtedly nights when she just crawled into the bed by herself, drunk and depressed, pulling the sheet over her head to try to block out the demons that dwell inside the empty cacophony of fame.
"Pretty damn short, isn't it?" says Mike. He opens her closet and points to the floor, where it's believed the tunnel culminated in a secret trapdoor.
In 1963 the FBI yanked Sinatra's casino license because known criminals like Giancana were frequenting the Cal-Neva. But the lodge really reached its historical apex a year earlier, at the end of July 1962, the last weekend of Monroe's life -- a weekend about which Skinny D'Amato would later say: "There was more to what happened than anyone has told."
Monroe hadn't been seen in public for a few months, since the infamous "Happy Birthday" ditty for JFK at New York's Madison Square Garden in May and a baseball appearance in June. Sinatra invited her up for the weekend of July 28, on the pretense of celebrating her new Fox movie deal and discussing an upcoming film starring them both. And she could also catch Martin in the Celebrity Showroom. Monroe took a break from the set of "Something's Got to Give," and flew up to Tahoe with Lawford in Sinatra's private plane with the heated toilet seats. As she checked in under a fake name she knew that Sinatra would be there, but she hadn't anticipated visits from both Giancana and her ex-husband, DiMaggio.
That night, Dino took the stage, churning through his ballads about big pizza pies and evenings in Roma, but although he was costarring in her next film, Monroe wasn't sitting at a table with her champagne. She was back in her room by herself, making phone calls, too depressed to move and too afraid to leave. And here's where history gets murky. Everyone agrees she was seen standing barefoot by the swimming pool, looking up the hill to where DiMaggio was standing, watching her. Neither spoke. They were still close. Earlier that year he had helped her make a down payment on her new house. He had flown out from San Francisco to meet her, perhaps in response to her call. But Sinatra had barred him from the club this weekend. Crazy love.
Most sources say she overdosed on pills that night. But in his 1999 book "The Last Days of Marilyn Monroe," Donald Wolfe claims she was invited there specifically to be scared into silence. The noose was tightening around every neck involved. Monroe, the Kennedys, Sinatra, the mob, the FBI -- all the links were crumbling. Desperate times, desperate measures.
According to Wolfe, Sinatra and Giancana took Monroe into one of the rooms, drugged her into unconsciousness and had photos taken of her being sexually abused. The idea was to have solid blackmail material to shut her up. The result was a sordid scenario that foreshadowed the end of Camelot and the Rat Pack.
Photos were snapped, with Sinatra and Giancana in the room, while the rest of the Cal-Neva guests partied away. Although he'd once been in love with Monroe, Sinatra was done, finished with her, the Kennedys, Lawford and all of it. He'd started his own Reprise record label, won the 1961 Grammy. He'd slept with Ava Gardner, Kim Novak, Juliet Prowse. There were more broads to come, and he didn't need this one hanging over his head, even if he did once give her a pet poodle.
Giancana also was through with Joe Kennedy and his spoiled sons. He didn't need this broad either. He'd started with Al Capone, spent 10 years in the can and returned to run all of Chicago. He personally pulled strings to squeeze JFK past Richard Nixon and into the White House, and shared a chick -- Judith Exner -- with both JFK and Sinatra. Shit, they held the meetings with Joe Kennedy right there at the Cal-Neva. And now RFK was making noise about bringing down the heat on organized crime. Everybody needed to stop talking.
As the weekend came to a close, Sinatra's plane flew Monroe and Lawford back to Los Angeles, and she was reportedly so dazed that she walked off the plane barefoot to her waiting limo. The next week, on Aug. 5, she was found dead in her home in Brentwood, in a suspicious suicide that will never fully be explained.
According to Wolfe's interview with photographer Billy Woodfield, who worked for both Sinatra and Monroe, after the Cal-Neva weekend, Sinatra supposedly handed Woodfield a roll of film. Woodfield developed the images and realized they were of an unconscious Monroe essentially getting raped. Sinatra was delivered the prints and negatives, but by that time the point was moot. Corpses can't be blackmailed.
Soon after Monroe's death, an FBI wiretap recorded a conversation between Giancana and mobster Johnny Roselli, discussing a sex orgy at the Cal-Neva. On the tape, Roselli told Giancana, "You sure get your rocks off xxxxxxx the same broad as the brothers, don't you?"
DiMaggio arranged for his ex-wife's funeral, barring Sinatra and the rest of Hollywood from the service, and sent roses to her grave for the next 20 years. Crazy love.
Three weeks after her death, Sinatra and Dino returned to the Cal-Neva to perform for two nights, and a month after that, Sinatra, Dino and Sammy Davis Jr. appeared in Chicago to help Giancana open a new club. The show must go on.
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The security guard walks me outside and around to the front of the Cal-Neva. To current employees, the club's gangster history is just part of the folklore, harmless trivia that tickles a tourist for a few seconds. We end up in a parking lot off to one side. Next to the rear loading door of the Celebrity Showroom, two parking spaces are reserved. Above each is painted the one word "Sinatra."
This sad sexual circle eventually came to a close, with everybody involved dead at last -- none with a smile on his or her face. Monroe, face down on her bed. JFK and RFK, assassinated by who knows. Giancana, gunned down in Chicago, shot once in the head and five times in the mouth. Lawford, a sad, broken alcoholic. Sinatra, robbed of his voice, dying of a final heart attack in a hospital. And the enigmatic DiMaggio, signing baseballs to the end.
All that's left are the mountains of biographies and FBI files -- and the Cal-Neva. Gambling and live shows add little to the Cal-Neva bankbook these days, but sex still perfumes the hallways. The resort's primary income now derives from weddings, sometimes as many as 12 in one day.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 06:43 PM

Interesting posting. Personally I am not convinced about the Mafia was responsible for the death of Marilyn Monroe. I think this was part of a CIA disinformation plot.

After publishing her story about Monroe, Kilgallen told friends that the information came from a photographer close to the actress. Maybe it was the same one used at Cal-Neva.

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 10:40 AM

To set the record straight, in his autobiography Chief, ex-LAPD chief Daryl Gates acknowledges that undercover agents at Los Angeles International Airport track the comings-and-goings of celebrities and political figures, and that Robert F. Kennedy WAS in Los Angeles on the day of Monroe's death. He goes on to explain that he was never a suspect because they never believed she was murdered.

Of course, he also insisted there was no evidence of a conspiracy in RFK's death, and offers lame excuse after lame excuse as to why so much of the RFK evidence disappeared.

Edited by Pat Speer, 21 September 2004 - 10:41 AM.


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Posted 21 September 2004 - 10:51 AM

To set the record straight, in his autobiography Chief, ex-LAPD chief Daryl Gates acknowledges that undercover agents at Los Angeles International Airport track the comings-and-goings of celebrities and political figures, and that Robert F. Kennedy WAS in Los Angeles on the day of Monroe's death.  He goes on to explain that he was never a suspect because they never believed she was murdered.

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According to a report in the Los Angeles Times RFK was in San Francisco on the day Monroe died. RFK later confirmed that was the case. This was supported by the Bates family who claimed that RFK was with them when Monroe died. It is of course possible that the Bates family lied to protect RFK. However, if RFK had been involved in planning Monroe's murder, he would have been unlikely to have been caught near the scene of the crime.

JFK and RFK would have been mad to have been involved in Monroe's death. Hoover had told both brothers he was fully aware of their relationship with Monroe. They would never have got away with it. Anyway, they did not have a motive. They had not told Monroe any state secrets. If Monroe knew about JFK's plot to kill Castro, it would have come from Kilgallen, not RFK. The story of Monroe's diary was part of the smear story spread by the CIA as part of the original plot to get rid of JFK. This did not work and so they had to resort to other measures.

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Posted 01 October 2004 - 07:08 AM

What happened to Butler? Benson claims that Butler also provided information to Penn Jones. This included the claim that 50% of the DPD were also members of the KKK.

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Interesting posting by Steve Thomas on JFK Lancer about George Butler:

He became the first President of the Dallas Police Association.

You can read about it here:

http://www.dallaspa....ce_GEButler.asp

On December 9, 1963 he approached Detective H.M. Hart and Lt. Jack Revill with information he (Butler) had, that LHO was Jack Ruby's illegitimate son.

To: Mr. J.E. Curry
December 9, 1963
re: Lieutenant George Butler

Sir:

On December 9, 1963, the undersigned officers were approached by Lieutenant Butler and he related that he had information that Lee Harvey Oswald was the illegitimate son of Jack Ruby.

Lieutenant Butler further stated that he had information that Jack Ruby had applied for a visa to Mexico about the same time that Lee Harvey Oswald visited that country. He suggested that we contact the Mexican Consul to confirm this information.

Respectfully Submitted,

Jack Revill, Lieutenant
H.M. hart, Detective

Dallas Police Archives, Box 5, Folder# 7, Item# 36
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

Later, there was a follow-up phone call from an anonymous source who asked why the Police Department had not contacted the Mexican consulate about an alleged Ruby trip to Mexico.

I suspect this anonymous caller was Butler.

Steve Thomas

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 06:27 PM

I have managed to obtain a copy of the CIA report on the “Plots to Assassinate Fidel Castro” by the CIA’s Inspector General, J. S. Earman (declassified in 1994). The report was commissioned as a result of an article by Drew Pearson on 7th March, 1967, about the CIA involvement in the plot to kill Castro.

In his account of one meeting that took between James O’Connell, Robert Maheu and Johnny Roselli about the proposed assassination of Castro at a night club in New York, Earman mentions the presence of Dorothy Kilgallen and Phyllis McGuire (Sam Giancana’s girlfriend).

This is an interesting coincidence as Kilgallen was the first person to break the story of a CIA/Mafia plot to kill Castro (New York Journal American (15th July, 1959).




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