Whatever Happened to Elsa Silbernagel?

[Dixie Dea]

For several years I subscribed to the Third/Fourth Decade Publications and have saved all my copies. I don't really know when I began subscribing, since I also got some earlier issues at ebay. Every once in awhile, I get them all out and reread a lot of the articles. I wonder sometimes why some of the writers have seemingly disappeared from JFK Research....but maybe they just got burned out or bummed out. Also sometimes i reread an artcle that I hadn't recalled reading before. The one below is one of them, but I believe that is because I have had more interest in the persons involved, more recently, then previously. Incidently, I met Jerry Rose, the Publsiher of this Publication, in Dallas in 2000, just before he closed shop. I had no idea he was fixing to do that though. He was a very nice man!. In The Third Decade.....Vol. 6 #4....May 1990.....Jerry had Part Two of his own articles called "Nut Country" Within Part II, is a .sub article called "Whatever Happened To Elsa Silbernagel?" This story may or may not have any real signiicance, but I did find it interesting and made me more curious and I also know that a whole lot of those having any connections at all, lied in some areas for some reason. ...although, some had their testimonies changed for them and again for some reason! But first, I found a couple of threads here, that will give some background on Larry Schmidt and Bernard Weissman. They also had a buddy named William Burley, who went to Dallas, with Weissman...and this story concerns Burley. (I didn't copy it out comp;ete;y word for word)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6397

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=660

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ELSA SILBERNAGEL?

...by Jerry D. Rose

Both Weissman and Burley made a quick exit from Dallas, after JFK was assassinated. Burley was finally interviewed by the FBI in Denver, on Dec 5th, 1963. The basic story is that Schmidt urged them to come from their homes in Mt Vernon, NY and Baltimore, MD. to exploit the publicity generated by the local demonstrators against Adlai Stevenson, in Nov 63. Burley told of his having lived with his wife, in Baltimore, after being separated from the army and how he was also separared from her, on learning she was four months pregnant, a month after his return from Germany. (12)

About Oct 25th, learning that a woman friend from Germany , Elsa Silbernagel, planned to immigrate" to the U.S, he went to NY to meet her. Shortly after her arrival, she and Burley were invited to stay at the Mt Vernon home of his old army buddy from Germany, Weissman. While there, Schmidt pursuaded them to join him in Dallas. On Oct. 31, Weissman, Burley and Silbernagel set off for Dallas, in Weissmans car. . Along the way, they stopped for Burley to visit his wife and Children in Baltimore and his parents, in Greensboro, NC.

On arriving in Dallas, on Nov. 5th, Silbernagel was put on a plane to Denver and the two solders joined their colleague, Schmidt, for a couple of nights before getting their own apartment, on Regier Street, in Dallas. There is no explanation of why Silbernagel was sent to Denver and no further mention of her. Burley simply explained that he took a bus to Denver on Nov 27th. and that he got a job as an encyclopedia salesman.

However, there is another FBI interview of Burley at Denver on Dec. 5th, which never found its way into the Warren Commission documents (13) This report says that Burley was "found" residing with Elsa's aunt, Lillian Prilling at 3353 W. 33rd Ave, in Denver. In this version of Burley's information, there is a slight variation of the Mt Vernon to Dallas itinerary. He was reported as saying that he left Mt Vernon ahead of the others, for his Baltimore visit and that Weissman and Silbernagel travelled together to pick him up in Baltimore, for the rest of the trip.

If Elsa Silbernagel is a shadowy figure in the FBI interview with Burley, she is almost invisible in the Secret Service reports on the matter. When Weissman was questioned by the Secret Service on Dec 11th, 63, he explained that Burley had, after the assassination, gone to Denver to visit a "cousin." (presumably Burley's) (14) There is no mention of Silbernagel, in this interview, nor in Weissmans later testimony to the Warren Commission. (15)

When the Secret Service finally interviewed Burley in Denver, On Jan.14th, 64, they got a totally revisionist account of Elsa Silbernagel. (15) Located still at the Prilling address, Burley told the Secret Service that, while he went to NY to meet Silbernagel, she did not arrive as scheduled and he went on to Mt Vernon to visit Weissman and that the two of them made the subsequent trip to Dallas. Burley went to Denver on Nov 27th, "since he had learned that his German friend, Elsa Silbernagel, was in Denver and living with her cousin, Lillian Prilling." Burley "took a room" with Mrs Prilling.

So who was Elsa Silbernagel and whatever happened to her? Which of the three versions of her relationship to Prilling is accurate: that Prilling was Burley's cousin or Silbernagel's aunt or cousin? Maybe these questions have little importance, yet if they were worth lying about, by Burley, Weissman or the FBI or Secret Service, there may well have been something worth concealing.

There is another close parallel with another mystery German woman and also named Elsa, no less. LAWRENCE MYERS, Jack Ruby's swinger buddy from Chicago (that brought the dumb accommodating blond to Dallas, just before the JFK Assassination) , and under questonable cercumstances. (17) Myers was questioned by the Warren Commission about a Elsa Hacker and Myers gave a characteristically hostile response: "How he hell would she get into this?" and Council dropped the matter. (18) Myers was a little more forthcoming in his interview by the HSCA, in 1978. He explained that he had maintained a long term affair with Hacker, a German woman, but they had separated and he had "sent her back" to Germany in 1963 or maybe a little earlier. Contradicting this (and perhaps the reason for the initial WC questioniing of Myers about the matter) wasthe record of a long distance call from Myers while on the road as a salesman, in South Dakota to Elsa Hecker, at the Michael Reece Hospital in Chicago. (20) The date of this call was Oct 25th, 63 and coincidentally the day that Elsa Silbernagel arrived (or failed to arrive) in New York City.

(12) Commission Document 133.4-15

(13) FBI File 62-109060-1961 From FOI releases to the Assn. Archives & Research Center..Wash. DC

(14) CD 349.816

(15) 5H487-535; 11H428-434

(16) CD 372-900

(17) see Jerry D. Rose, "You Don't Know Me But, You Will: The World of Jack Ruby," The Third Decade 4 #1, November 1987, pp. 10-11

(18) 15H639

(19) Appendix to Report on HSCA, Vol.9, pp 848-850

(20) HSCA IX 1098

_________________________

Dixie

[William Kelly]

For several years I subscribed to the Third/Fourth Decade Publications and have saved all my copies. I don't really know when I began subscribing, since I also got some earlier issues at ebay. Every once in awhile, I get them all out and reread a lot of the articles. I wonder sometimes why some of the writers have seemingly disappeared from JFK Research....but maybe they just got burned out or bummed out. Also sometimes i reread an artcle that I hadn't recalled reading before. The one below is one of them, but I believe that is because I have had more interest in the persons involved, more recently, then previously. Incidently, I met Jerry Rose, the Publsiher of this Publication, in Dallas in 2000, just before he closed shop. I had no idea he was fixing to do that though. He was a very nice man!. In The Third Decade.....Vol. 6 #4....May 1990.....Jerry had Part Two of his own articles called "Nut Country" Within Part II, is a .sub article called "Whatever Happened To Elsa Silbernagel?" This story may or may not have any real signiicance, but I did find it interesting and made me more curious and I also know that a whole lot of those having any connections at all, lied in some areas for some reason. ...although, some had their testimonies changed for them and again for some reason! But first, I found a couple of threads here, that will give some background on Larry Schmidt and Bernard Weissman. They also had a buddy named William Burley, who went to Dallas, with Weissman...and this story concerns Burley. (I didn't copy it out comp;ete;y word for word)

http://educationforu...?showtopic=6397

http://educationforu...p?showtopic=660

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ELSA SILBERNAGEL?

...by Jerry D. Rose

Both Weissman and Burley made a quick exit from Dallas, after JFK was assassinated. Burley was finally interviewed by the FBI in Denver, on Dec 5th, 1963. The basic story is that Schmidt urged them to come from their homes in Mt Vernon, NY and Baltimore, MD. to exploit the publicity generated by the local demonstrators against Adlai Stevenson, in Nov 63. Burley told of his having lived with his wife, in Baltimore, after being separated from the army and how he was also separared from her, on learning she was four months pregnant, a month after his return from Germany. (12)

About Oct 25th, learning that a woman friend from Germany , Elsa Silbernagel, planned to immigrate" to the U.S, he went to NY to meet her. Shortly after her arrival, she and Burley were invited to stay at the Mt Vernon home of his old army buddy from Germany, Weissman. While there, Schmidt pursuaded them to join him in Dallas. On Oct. 31, Weissman, Burley and Silbernagel set off for Dallas, in Weissmans car. . Along the way, they stopped for Burley to visit his wife and Children in Baltimore and his parents, in Greensboro, NC.

On arriving in Dallas, on Nov. 5th, Silbernagel was put on a plane to Denver and the two solders joined their colleague, Schmidt, for a couple of nights before getting their own apartment, on Regier Street, in Dallas. There is no explanation of why Silbernagel was sent to Denver and no further mention of her. Burley simply explained that he took a bus to Denver on Nov 27th. and that he got a job as an encyclopedia salesman.

However, there is another FBI interview of Burley at Denver on Dec. 5th, which never found its way into the Warren Commission documents (13) This report says that Burley was "found" residing with Elsa's aunt, Lillian Prilling at 3353 W. 33rd Ave, in Denver. In this version of Burley's information, there is a slight variation of the Mt Vernon to Dallas itinerary. He was reported as saying that he left Mt Vernon ahead of the others, for his Baltimore visit and that Weissman and Silbernagel travelled together to pick him up in Baltimore, for the rest of the trip.

If Elsa Silbernagel is a shadowy figure in the FBI interview with Burley, she is almost invisible in the Secret Service reports on the matter. When Weissman was questioned by the Secret Service on Dec 11th, 63, he explained that Burley had, after the assassination, gone to Denver to visit a "cousin." (presumably Burley's) (14) There is no mention of Silbernagel, in this interview, nor in Weissmans later testimony to the Warren Commission. (15)

When the Secret Service finally interviewed Burley in Denver, On Jan.14th, 64, they got a totally revisionist account of Elsa Silbernagel. (15) Located still at the Prilling address, Burley told the Secret Service that, while he went to NY to meet Silbernagel, she did not arrive as scheduled and he went on to Mt Vernon to visit Weissman and that the two of them made the subsequent trip to Dallas. Burley went to Denver on Nov 27th, "since he had learned that his German friend, Elsa Silbernagel, was in Denver and living with her cousin, Lillian Prilling." Burley "took a room" with Mrs Prilling.

So who was Elsa Silbernagel and whatever happened to her? Which of the three versions of her relationship to Prilling is accurate: that Prilling was Burley's cousin or Silbernagel's aunt or cousin? Maybe these questions have little importance, yet if they were worth lying about, by Burley, Weissman or the FBI or Secret Service, there may well have been something worth concealing.

There is another close parallel with another mystery German woman and also named Elsa, no less. LAWRENCE MYERS, Jack Ruby's swinger buddy from Chicago (that brought the dumb accommodating blond to Dallas, just before the JFK Assassination) , and under questonable cercumstances. (17) Myers was questioned by the Warren Commission about a Elsa Hacker and Myers gave a characteristically hostile response: "How he hell would she get into this?" and Council dropped the matter. (18) Myers was a little more forthcoming in his interview by the HSCA, in 1978. He explained that he had maintained a long term affair with Hacker, a German woman, but they had separated and he had "sent her back" to Germany in 1963 or maybe a little earlier. Contradicting this (and perhaps the reason for the initial WC questioniing of Myers about the matter) wasthe record of a long distance call from Myers while on the road as a salesman, in South Dakota to Elsa Hecker, at the Michael Reece Hospital in Chicago. (20) The date of this call was Oct 25th, 63 and coincidentally the day that Elsa Silbernagel arrived (or failed to arrive) in New York City.

(12) Commission Document 133.4-15

(13) FBI File 62-109060-1961 From FOI releases to the Assn. Archives & Research Center..Wash. DC

(14) CD 349.816

(15) 5H487-535; 11H428-434

(16) CD 372-900

(17) see Jerry D. Rose, "You Don't Know Me But, You Will: The World of Jack Ruby," The Third Decade 4 #1, November 1987, pp. 10-11

(18) 15H639

(19) Appendix to Report on HSCA, Vol.9, pp 848-850

(20) HSCA IX 1098

_________________________

Dixie

Here's a couple of links.

There's also the German hostess at the Quarum Club

http://educationforu...showtopic=12257

http://www.maryferre...754&relPageId=3

CE1811

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1811.pdf

Edited October 2, 2010 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

For several years I subscribed to the Third/Fourth Decade Publications and have saved all my copies. I don't really know when I began subscribing, since I also got some earlier issues at ebay. Every once in awhile, I get them all out and reread a lot of the articles. I wonder sometimes why some of the writers have seemingly disappeared from JFK Research....but maybe they just got burned out or bummed out. Also sometimes i reread an artcle that I hadn't recalled reading before. The one below is one of them, but I believe that is because I have had more interest in the persons involved, more recently, then previously. Incidently, I met Jerry Rose, the Publsiher of this Publication, in Dallas in 2000, just before he closed shop. I had no idea he was fixing to do that though. He was a very nice man!. In The Third Decade.....Vol. 6 #4....May 1990.....Jerry had Part Two of his own articles called "Nut Country" Within Part II, is a .sub article called "Whatever Happened To Elsa Silbernagel?" This story may or may not have any real signiicance, but I did find it interesting and made me more curious and I also know that a whole lot of those having any connections at all, lied in some areas for some reason. ...although, some had their testimonies changed for them and again for some reason! But first, I found a couple of threads here, that will give some background on Larry Schmidt and Bernard Weissman. They also had a buddy named William Burley, who went to Dallas, with Weissman...and this story concerns Burley. (I didn't copy it out comp;ete;y word for word)

http://educationforu...?showtopic=6397

http://educationforu...p?showtopic=660

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ELSA SILBERNAGEL?

...by Jerry D. Rose

Both Weissman and Burley made a quick exit from Dallas, after JFK was assassinated. Burley was finally interviewed by the FBI in Denver, on Dec 5th, 1963. The basic story is that Schmidt urged them to come from their homes in Mt Vernon, NY and Baltimore, MD. to exploit the publicity generated by the local demonstrators against Adlai Stevenson, in Nov 63. Burley told of his having lived with his wife, in Baltimore, after being separated from the army and how he was also separared from her, on learning she was four months pregnant, a month after his return from Germany. (12)

About Oct 25th, learning that a woman friend from Germany , Elsa Silbernagel, planned to immigrate" to the U.S, he went to NY to meet her. Shortly after her arrival, she and Burley were invited to stay at the Mt Vernon home of his old army buddy from Germany, Weissman. While there, Schmidt pursuaded them to join him in Dallas. On Oct. 31, Weissman, Burley and Silbernagel set off for Dallas, in Weissmans car. . Along the way, they stopped for Burley to visit his wife and Children in Baltimore and his parents, in Greensboro, NC.

On arriving in Dallas, on Nov. 5th, Silbernagel was put on a plane to Denver and the two solders joined their colleague, Schmidt, for a couple of nights before getting their own apartment, on Regier Street, in Dallas. There is no explanation of why Silbernagel was sent to Denver and no further mention of her. Burley simply explained that he took a bus to Denver on Nov 27th. and that he got a job as an encyclopedia salesman.

However, there is another FBI interview of Burley at Denver on Dec. 5th, which never found its way into the Warren Commission documents (13) This report says that Burley was "found" residing with Elsa's aunt, Lillian Prilling at 3353 W. 33rd Ave, in Denver. In this version of Burley's information, there is a slight variation of the Mt Vernon to Dallas itinerary. He was reported as saying that he left Mt Vernon ahead of the others, for his Baltimore visit and that Weissman and Silbernagel travelled together to pick him up in Baltimore, for the rest of the trip.

If Elsa Silbernagel is a shadowy figure in the FBI interview with Burley, she is almost invisible in the Secret Service reports on the matter. When Weissman was questioned by the Secret Service on Dec 11th, 63, he explained that Burley had, after the assassination, gone to Denver to visit a "cousin." (presumably Burley's) (14) There is no mention of Silbernagel, in this interview, nor in Weissmans later testimony to the Warren Commission. (15)

When the Secret Service finally interviewed Burley in Denver, On Jan.14th, 64, they got a totally revisionist account of Elsa Silbernagel. (15) Located still at the Prilling address, Burley told the Secret Service that, while he went to NY to meet Silbernagel, she did not arrive as scheduled and he went on to Mt Vernon to visit Weissman and that the two of them made the subsequent trip to Dallas. Burley went to Denver on Nov 27th, "since he had learned that his German friend, Elsa Silbernagel, was in Denver and living with her cousin, Lillian Prilling." Burley "took a room" with Mrs Prilling.

So who was Elsa Silbernagel and whatever happened to her? Which of the three versions of her relationship to Prilling is accurate: that Prilling was Burley's cousin or Silbernagel's aunt or cousin? Maybe these questions have little importance, yet if they were worth lying about, by Burley, Weissman or the FBI or Secret Service, there may well have been something worth concealing.

There is another close parallel with another mystery German woman and also named Elsa, no less. LAWRENCE MYERS, Jack Ruby's swinger buddy from Chicago (that brought the dumb accommodating blond to Dallas, just before the JFK Assassination) , and under questonable cercumstances. (17) Myers was questioned by the Warren Commission about a Elsa Hacker and Myers gave a characteristically hostile response: "How he hell would she get into this?" and Council dropped the matter. (18) Myers was a little more forthcoming in his interview by the HSCA, in 1978. He explained that he had maintained a long term affair with Hacker, a German woman, but they had separated and he had "sent her back" to Germany in 1963 or maybe a little earlier. Contradicting this (and perhaps the reason for the initial WC questioniing of Myers about the matter) wasthe record of a long distance call from Myers while on the road as a salesman, in South Dakota to Elsa Hecker, at the Michael Reece Hospital in Chicago. (20) The date of this call was Oct 25th, 63 and coincidentally the day that Elsa Silbernagel arrived (or failed to arrive) in New York City.

(12) Commission Document 133.4-15

(13) FBI File 62-109060-1961 From FOI releases to the Assn. Archives & Research Center..Wash. DC

(14) CD 349.816

(15) 5H487-535; 11H428-434

(16) CD 372-900

(17) see Jerry D. Rose, "You Don't Know Me But, You Will: The World of Jack Ruby," The Third Decade 4 #1, November 1987, pp. 10-11

(18) 15H639

(19) Appendix to Report on HSCA, Vol.9, pp 848-850

(20) HSCA IX 1098

_________________________

Dixie

Here's a couple of links.

There's also the German hostess at the Quarum Club

http://educationforu...showtopic=12257

http://www.maryferre...754&relPageId=3

CE1811

http://www.aarclibra...H23_CE_1811.pdf

So let me get this straight. A couple of American soldiers, Burley, Schmidt and Weissman, sitting around drinking beer in Germany, decide to follow their former commander back to the USA, infiltrate his organization, and help promote the cause of Conservatism like its a religion. When one of them gets home and finds his wife pregnant, he leaves her and gets a German girlfriend Elsa Sibernagel to come to be with him in USA. She arrives and the ex-solders drive a 57 Ford to Dallas, via stops on the way, and as soon as they get to Dallas they put Elsa Sibernagel on a plane to Denver. Then they hook up with the local YAFers and John Birchers, especially Bob and Joe Grinnan, and they talk them into taking the Welcome To Dallas Mr. President Hate Ad out in the Dallas Morning News, which sparked JFK to say "We're in Nut Country now."

Then after the assassination, they all go move in with Elsa in Denver, where the FBI eventually catches up with them, but never bothers to interview Elsa, who we never hear from again.

Is that the basic story line here?

BK

Edited October 3, 2010 by William Kelly

[Dawn Meredith]

For several years I subscribed to the Third/Fourth Decade Publications and have saved all my copies. I don't really know when I began subscribing, since I also got some earlier issues at ebay. Every once in awhile, I get them all out and reread a lot of the articles. I wonder sometimes why some of the writers have seemingly disappeared from JFK Research....but maybe they just got burned out or bummed out. Also sometimes i reread an artcle that I hadn't recalled reading before. The one below is one of them, but I believe that is because I have had more interest in the persons involved, more recently, then previously. Incidently, I met Jerry Rose, the Publsiher of this Publication, in Dallas in 2000, just before he closed shop. I had no idea he was fixing to do that though. He was a very nice man!. In The Third Decade.....Vol. 6 #4....May 1990.....Jerry had Part Two of his own articles called "Nut Country" Within Part II, is a .sub article called "Whatever Happened To Elsa Silbernagel?" This story may or may not have any real signiicance, but I did find it interesting and made me more curious and I also know that a whole lot of those having any connections at all, lied in some areas for some reason. ...although, some had their testimonies changed for them and again for some reason! But first, I found a couple of threads here, that will give some background on Larry Schmidt and Bernard Weissman. They also had a buddy named William Burley, who went to Dallas, with Weissman...and this story concerns Burley. (I didn't copy it out comp;ete;y word for word)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6397

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=660

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ELSA SILBERNAGEL?

...by Jerry D. Rose

Both Weissman and Burley made a quick exit from Dallas, after JFK was assassinated. Burley was finally interviewed by the FBI in Denver, on Dec 5th, 1963. The basic story is that Schmidt urged them to come from their homes in Mt Vernon, NY and Baltimore, MD. to exploit the publicity generated by the local demonstrators against Adlai Stevenson, in Nov 63. Burley told of his having lived with his wife, in Baltimore, after being separated from the army and how he was also separared from her, on learning she was four months pregnant, a month after his return from Germany. (12)

About Oct 25th, learning that a woman friend from Germany , Elsa Silbernagel, planned to immigrate" to the U.S, he went to NY to meet her. Shortly after her arrival, she and Burley were invited to stay at the Mt Vernon home of his old army buddy from Germany, Weissman. While there, Schmidt pursuaded them to join him in Dallas. On Oct. 31, Weissman, Burley and Silbernagel set off for Dallas, in Weissmans car. . Along the way, they stopped for Burley to visit his wife and Children in Baltimore and his parents, in Greensboro, NC.

On arriving in Dallas, on Nov. 5th, Silbernagel was put on a plane to Denver and the two solders joined their colleague, Schmidt, for a couple of nights before getting their own apartment, on Regier Street, in Dallas. There is no explanation of why Silbernagel was sent to Denver and no further mention of her. Burley simply explained that he took a bus to Denver on Nov 27th. and that he got a job as an encyclopedia salesman.

However, there is another FBI interview of Burley at Denver on Dec. 5th, which never found its way into the Warren Commission documents (13) This report says that Burley was "found" residing with Elsa's aunt, Lillian Prilling at 3353 W. 33rd Ave, in Denver. In this version of Burley's information, there is a slight variation of the Mt Vernon to Dallas itinerary. He was reported as saying that he left Mt Vernon ahead of the others, for his Baltimore visit and that Weissman and Silbernagel travelled together to pick him up in Baltimore, for the rest of the trip.

If Elsa Silbernagel is a shadowy figure in the FBI interview with Burley, she is almost invisible in the Secret Service reports on the matter. When Weissman was questioned by the Secret Service on Dec 11th, 63, he explained that Burley had, after the assassination, gone to Denver to visit a "cousin." (presumably Burley's) (14) There is no mention of Silbernagel, in this interview, nor in Weissmans later testimony to the Warren Commission. (15)

When the Secret Service finally interviewed Burley in Denver, On Jan.14th, 64, they got a totally revisionist account of Elsa Silbernagel. (15) Located still at the Prilling address, Burley told the Secret Service that, while he went to NY to meet Silbernagel, she did not arrive as scheduled and he went on to Mt Vernon to visit Weissman and that the two of them made the subsequent trip to Dallas. Burley went to Denver on Nov 27th, "since he had learned that his German friend, Elsa Silbernagel, was in Denver and living with her cousin, Lillian Prilling." Burley "took a room" with Mrs Prilling.

So who was Elsa Silbernagel and whatever happened to her? Which of the three versions of her relationship to Prilling is accurate: that Prilling was Burley's cousin or Silbernagel's aunt or cousin? Maybe these questions have little importance, yet if they were worth lying about, by Burley, Weissman or the FBI or Secret Service, there may well have been something worth concealing.

There is another close parallel with another mystery German woman and also named Elsa, no less. LAWRENCE MYERS, Jack Ruby's swinger buddy from Chicago (that brought the dumb accommodating blond to Dallas, just before the JFK Assassination) , and under questonable cercumstances. (17) Myers was questioned by the Warren Commission about a Elsa Hacker and Myers gave a characteristically hostile response: "How he hell would she get into this?" and Council dropped the matter. (18) Myers was a little more forthcoming in his interview by the HSCA, in 1978. He explained that he had maintained a long term affair with Hacker, a German woman, but they had separated and he had "sent her back" to Germany in 1963 or maybe a little earlier. Contradicting this (and perhaps the reason for the initial WC questioniing of Myers about the matter) wasthe record of a long distance call from Myers while on the road as a salesman, in South Dakota to Elsa Hecker, at the Michael Reece Hospital in Chicago. (20) The date of this call was Oct 25th, 63 and coincidentally the day that Elsa Silbernagel arrived (or failed to arrive) in New York City.

(12) Commission Document 133.4-15

(13) FBI File 62-109060-1961 From FOI releases to the Assn. Archives & Research Center..Wash. DC

(14) CD 349.816

(15) 5H487-535; 11H428-434

(16) CD 372-900

(17) see Jerry D. Rose, "You Don't Know Me But, You Will: The World of Jack Ruby," The Third Decade 4 #1, November 1987, pp. 10-11

(18) 15H639

(19) Appendix to Report on HSCA, Vol.9, pp 848-850

(20) HSCA IX 1098

_________________________

Dixie

Hey Dixie: It is my understanding that Jerry Rose got very spooked over something after the deaths of Bud Fensterwald and Larry Howard and stopped JFK research, or at least his publication. I used to get The Third Decade also, in the 80's I think, also Gary Mack's "Cover-ups". I have heard two different stories re Jerry- both involving TX connection angles. Perhaps Jack can shed some light on this.

I miss all the different mags, especially Probe which was my favorite. A friend got me a subscription until Lisa and Jim ceased publication. Of course they still write online which is even better, for conserving trees.

Very interesting story you posted. This case gets stranger every time I read something. THE most complex murder case of all time I believe.

Dawn

[Dixie Dea]

Hi Dawn.....I had never heard that about Jerry Rose, becoming spooked...slthough it might hsve been true. I do know he wrote a lot about the far right. Although I had interest in studying about the JFK Assn., I never had much access to any books or info, for a long time....and no one I knew, who shared my same interest. I lived in a small town, with no book stores and only a small library. I read all they had on the subject, in no time. If I did read like in a newspaper about some new book, I had no idea how to obtain it. When we went shopping in a larger area, I would go to the book stores and mostly found Harrison Livingstons books. I also noticed in the back, he had names of the various publicatons. So, I immediately sent Jerry Rose a subscription inquiry letter, which he answered right away and I subscribed, But, even though I also sent one to Lisa and Jim for Probe...actually three times..they never did send me a reply. From that, I had assumred they only wanted known subscribers.I was not aware of Gary Macks Pubs. back in those days. Later I did subscribe to Walt Browns Pub and also Lancer's. But with Jerry's Pubs. I was able to finally see names of some who were involved in the JFK Research and the various theories too. The only person that I had to converse with, at that time, was my husband ( now my former husband), but even though he had some interest, he knew less about any of it, then I did, since I was the one reading about it, when I was able to find anything to read. But Jerry's Pubs sorta opened up info for me and I always wished it was a monthly Pub. rather then a quarterly pub. It was many years later, when I finally advanced to the computer era and found some JFK forums to join. That opened up a whole new JFK research world to me...just what I had been wanting and needing for so many years. Plus I was then finally able to order books on the internet. I had read about Mark Lane traveling around making talks and I wished I was able to attend someplace near me. I read about Jim Garrison and from al I was reading, I believed he was on the right track and couldn't figure out why the Media was trashing him as they did. I was not aware, then, of how the media is, on the JFK Assn. I was also later able to find David Lifton's, Best Evidence book and was stunned. I just didn't know if his book was true or not and kept hoping to find some comments from the JFK Researchers about it, but didn't for quite some time. It seemed to be true, yet it was too shocking to me, which did cause me to wonder about it...since I wasn't wanting to be gullible. But, I believe my biggest shock was when I read about the Warren Comm. conclusions. I just somehow had sensed that something was rotten in Denmark, when Ruby shot Oswald....and that is when my interest actually began.

Dixie

[Dixie Dea]

That is about it Bill...except for this part.... "Then after the assassination, they all go move in with Elsa in Denver, where the FBI eventually catches up with them, but never bothers to interview Elsa, who we never hear from again." Far as I know, only Burley went to Denver, to join Elsa.

Dixie

Edited October 3, 2010 by Dixie Dea

[Guest Tom Scully]

(I'm sorry that this information has not reached Dixie in time for her to consider it and respond. I hope someone will submit Dixie's obituary to an administrator to edit into her forum biography.)

Thanks to Greg, Peter and John for additions to the list, and as for Wim, I removed him from the list, though I thought he was German living in Netherlands. Maybe he can straighten us out.

Here's more on Gerry Droller/Frank Bender:

http://educationforu...amp;#entry21663

BK

Bill, here's another - Elsa Silbernagel.

Jerry Rose article about her here:

http://www.maryferre...amp;relPageId=3

And I seem to recall a flap some time ago about another German female?

Elsa Silbernagel and William Milton Burley III married and lived happily ever after. Elsa passed away in 2009. Here they are with William's four children, and presumably his American wife's other child, and his child with Elsa pictured in between the couple. If he is the natural father of Elsa's child, the information I have is that she is 51 years of age, and this child would have been born in 1962 or 1963. Elsa is described in an FBI report as a "Naturalized" German citizen. Since Larrie Schmidt is from German from Russia stock, and this Burley child states proficiency in German and Russian languages, and Elsa was presumably originally a native of somewhere other than Germany, indications are that the Russian dimension in events in Dallas is even greater than already accounted for.

Undated family photo. Names of all who are pictured are available. William and Elsa are on the right :

Photo is captioned, me, William, my mother, and David (The mother is almost certainly, IMO, Elsa Silbernagel Burley)

In the photo visible at this link, Baltimore police detective William M. Burley IV is described as standing third from the left.:

http://mysite.verizo...detectives1.jpg

The detective seems to closely resemble the man described as William, standing second from the right in the photo above.

China White Baltimore | 9 convicted in China White case tied to 30 ...

articles.baltimoresun.com/.../1993065052_1_fentanyl-lewis-china-w...

Mar 6, 1993 – More than 100 of those calls were played to the jury, with Baltimore Police Detective William M. Burley IV as the key witness. Detective Burley

Edited July 28, 2012 by Tom Scully