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Did Robert Kennedy's Love/Sex Affair with Jackie cause him to be SILENT on JFK assassination?


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#31 Kathleen Collins

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 11:49 PM

One of Jackie's dear, dear friends was Truman Capote: "When Madame Queen Jackie heard about her sister's thespian plans ... she flew into a rage. Didn't Lee realize, she said, that they were merely using her? Didn't she understand how embarassing all this would be? Never mind that Madame Queen [Jackie Kennedy] was sleeping with her very married brother-in-law and concomitantly with none other than Aristotle Onassis, and that both were paying big money for her services. That did not count. All that mattered at the moment was that her younger sister was about to make her theatrical debut. Jackie couldn't take it." [Bobby and Jackie, pp. 131-132]

As for Truman Capote in the quote above, Jackie's very close friend is effectively calling Jackie a slut, a homebreaker and a high end prostitute sleeping with family. And that is from one of Jackie's best FRIENDS. You ought to read what Roy Cohn has to say about RFK!


Truman Capote was not Jackie Kennedy's dear friend. He favored her sister, Lee. When asked about the Gore-Vidal- Truman Capote lawsuit, Lee said, "Oh, everyone knows they're both fags." This hurt Capote very much. After all the years of trying to help her get an acting career.

Truman went on Stanley Siegel's NY show and read something sarcastic he wrote about Lee: "Ah, the Princess..." And when all the socialites turned against him due to "Answered Prayers," which he wrote about them, they dropped him cold. At someone's party afterward, Truman saw Jackie Kennedy Onassis there and said in a loud voice, "Why didn't you tell me that tramp was going to be here? I wouldn't have come." No, he did not like those 2 sisters. He also said about Jackie in People Magazine, "She has contempt for everything under the sun."

As for Roy Cohn, who believes anything from that fake? The man claimed to be heterosexual, but wasn't. He went after homosexuals legally. The man lived a lie. His jealousy of Robert Kennedy was well known.

Kathy C

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:23 AM

"The pastimes of great men are of very little importance. Too intelligent, in too much of a hurry, too hard-working, too enthusiastic, too generous,
John Kennedy also had too much vitality and too much heart. The national interest requires that the state be a cold monster. The weakness and the
hypocrisy of its citizens demand the same attitude of a Chief of State. Kennedy was treated with cortisone, but he hid this from the public, and he was
wrong. Eisenhower had suffered a heart attack and a serious operation, and the details were known to every American. Ordinary men take comfort in
the illnesses of the great. Kennedy took several baths a day and slept on a horsehair mattress with a bedboard, but he would have walked if he were
half dead. People distrust those who are not like themselves.

It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."
-- Farewell America

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:35 AM

"The pastimes of great men are of very little importance. Too intelligent, in too much of a hurry, too hard-working, too enthusiastic, too generous,
John Kennedy also had too much vitality and too much heart. The national interest requires that the state be a cold monster. The weakness and the
hypocrisy of its citizens demand the same attitude of a Chief of State. Kennedy was treated with cortisone, but he hid this from the public, and he was
wrong. Eisenhower had suffered a heart attack and a serious operation, and the details were known to every American. Ordinary men take comfort in
the illnesses of the great. Kennedy took several baths a day and slept on a horsehair mattress with a bedboard, but he would have walked if he were
half dead. People distrust those who are not like themselves.

It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."
-- Farewell America


Thanks for sharing that Greg!
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:09 AM


"The pastimes of great men are of very little importance. Too intelligent, in too much of a hurry, too hard-working, too enthusiastic, too generous,
John Kennedy also had too much vitality and too much heart. The national interest requires that the state be a cold monster. The weakness and the
hypocrisy of its citizens demand the same attitude of a Chief of State. Kennedy was treated with cortisone, but he hid this from the public, and he was
wrong. Eisenhower had suffered a heart attack and a serious operation, and the details were known to every American. Ordinary men take comfort in
the illnesses of the great. Kennedy took several baths a day and slept on a horsehair mattress with a bedboard, but he would have walked if he were
half dead. People distrust those who are not like themselves.

"It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."
-- Farewell America


Thanks for sharing that Greg!
Zach


You're more than welcome, Zach!

#35 David G. Healy

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 06:22 AM



One of Jackie's dear, dear friends was Truman Capote: "When Madame Queen Jackie heard about her sister's thespian plans ... she flew into a rage. Didn't Lee realize, she said, that they were merely using her? Didn't she understand how embarassing all this would be? Never mind that Madame Queen [Jackie Kennedy] was sleeping with her very married brother-in-law and concomitantly with none other than Aristotle Onassis, and that both were paying big money for her services. That did not count. All that mattered at the moment was that her younger sister was about to make her theatrical debut. Jackie couldn't take it." [Bobby and Jackie, pp. 131-132]

As for Truman Capote in the quote above, Jackie's very close friend is effectively calling Jackie a slut, a homebreaker and a high end prostitute sleeping with family. And that is from one of Jackie's best FRIENDS. You ought to read what Roy Cohn has to say about RFK!


Truman Capote was not Jackie Kennedy's dear friend. He favored her sister, Lee. When asked about the Gore-Vidal- Truman Capote lawsuit, Lee said, "Oh, everyone knows they're both fags." This hurt Capote very much. After all the years of trying to help her get an acting career.

Truman went on Stanley Siegel's NY show and read something sarcastic he wrote about Lee: "Ah, the Princess..." And when all the socialites turned against him due to "Answered Prayers," which he wrote about them, they dropped him cold. At someone's party afterward, Truman saw Jackie Kennedy Onassis there and said in a loud voice, "Why didn't you tell me that tramp was going to be here? I wouldn't have come." No, he did not like those 2 sisters. He also said about Jackie in People Magazine, "She has contempt for everything under the sun."

As for Roy Cohn, who believes anything from that fake? The man claimed to be heterosexual, but wasn't. He went after homosexuals legally. The man lived a lie. His jealousy of Robert Kennedy was well known.

Kathy C


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 07:07 AM

The bottom line is this: Robert Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy were having an intense love/sex affair from 1964-1968. There is just to much evidence of this to ignore it.
I do think this RFK/Jackie love affair is extremely important to understanding them and their behavior. Many authors have commented on this torrid love affair, not just C. David Heymann.

Bobby and Jackie: A Love Affair by C. David Heymann:

http://www.amazon.co...96367496&sr=8-1

I think that Robert and Jackie turned to each other in grief and were physical, emotional and sexual lovers. They were also having affairs with multiple other people at this same time.

I do think that this affair played an extremely big part of RFK's life in the post JFK assassination period. Robert was once named Family Man of the Year and he had 11 children with Ethel. And he ran around on Ethel shamelessly like the sex addict that he was. I think as Ted Kennedy told George Smathers, that one big reason Robert did not do more to publicly (or privately) pursue his brothers' murderers was that he feared any undue attention on him or Jackie which might bust this affair out into the open.

Also, I don't think that glorifying the Kennedys or ignoring their very human flaws does any good on revealing truth in the 1963 Coup d'Etat. You should always seek the truth: whether it is good, bad or ugly.

And I think there is a very strong case (99%+) that Robert and Jackie Kennedy were having a love affair post JFK assassination.

Notes from Bobby and Jackie: A Love Affair by C. David Heymann:

p. Vii “Thereafter nearly every biographer of Bobby or Jackie, including volumes by Edward Klein, Christopher Anderson, Sarah Bradford, and Peter Evans, capitalized on my research and reported on the Bobby-Jackie affair, in certain instances adding new details to those already known.”

p. 8 Jack Valenti describes Bobby Kennedy as a man possessed as he entered Air Force One on 11/22/63 as he rushed to Jackie’s side. RFK ignored everyone else and rushed by them.

p.14 Jackie invites her future boyfriend Ari Onassis to the White House during the JFK mourning period.

p. 15-16 RFK and Jackie visit JFK’s grave at midnight at Arlington. They were holding hands.

p. 22 Hoovers bulging files on JFK’s wildly promiscuous life

p. 22 JFK was blatantly having sex with other women on his honeymoon. JFK collecting names and phone numbers. Then JFK picks up one of the better looking women. “They emerged twenty minutes later, looking flushed and spent.”

p. 23 1956 JFK and 3 friends with Scandanavian ladies on ship in Mediterranean. Meanwhile Jackie is back home going through a miscarriage. Bobby was there to comfort her and bury the baby.

p. 25 Bill Walton details Jackie’s affair with actor William Holden. She was doing it out of revenge to get even with JFK.

p. 25 Langdon Marvin admits JFK used to send him as an advance man on the 1960 campaign trail to line up women for Kennedy.

p.26 Pamela Turnure dating Kennedy since 1958. She is later placed as press secretary to Jackie.

p. 27 JFK’s orgies in the White House; naked swimming pool parties. Secret Service Marty Venker said JFK “could be screwing a woman in the basement of the White House one minute, and the next minute he’d be playing family man with his wife and kids – or he’d be in the Oval Office discussing strategy with the prime minister of England.”

p. 27 Marty Venker describes Jackie as “world’s greatest masochist.”

p. 28 Susan Sklover was hired as a physical therapist for JFK; only then did she find out it involved providing him sexual services. Said JFK would just lie on his back while she did all the activity …She quit after 6 weeks and was forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement and given $5,000.

p. 31 Truman Capote called relationship of Jackie and JFK going into White House as an “utter farce.” Says Jackie constantly turned to RFK for advice and support. “He served as her Rock of Gibraltar.”

p. 31 Peter Jay Sharp – went into a Carlyle suite in 1962 found all 3 Kennedy brothers with a different woman, Bobby laying on floor, Ted with his girl in the bathroom.

p. 33 “Why can’t Jack be more like Bobby?” – Jackie to Pierre Salinger

p. 34 Jackie and JFK have a physical scuffle on the White House staircase at the reception of 11/20/63. It looked like Jackie had grabbed a clump of his hair. Apparently, JFK had been with Mary Meyer that afternoon.

p. 42 Post JFK assassination, Jackie mental collapse, very depressed, would only see Bobby.

p. 48 William Manchester – Jackie drinking heavily in her grief. Jackie’s manic mood swings.

p. 50 RFK obsessed with secretly investigating JFK’s death. “He could talk about little else.” – Ken O’Donnell.

p. 52 Bobby spending more time with Jackie’s family than his own.

p. 56 Jackie tries to get Marlon Brando in bed … or maybe she did not because Brando was too drunk.

p. 57 Jackie tells Truman Capote that her sister Lee wants to have sex with Bobby.

p. 58 Chuck Spalding talking about RFK and Jackie canoodling. Holding hands, whispering in ears, Bobby on vacation with Jackie NOT his wife Ethel who gave him 11 kids. Chuck Spalding: “There was definitely something between them…You had to be dumb, deaf and blind not to sense it.”

p. 60 “I wish you were an amoeba, so you could multiply and there would be two or more of you.” Jackie to Bobby.

p. 60 Gore Vidal “I suspect that the one person Jackie ever loved … was Bobby. There was always something oddly intimate in her voice when she mentioned him to me.”

p. 61 Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. describes Bobby and Jackie disappearing below deck on the yacht Sequoia: “I have no idea what transpired between them, but when they returned, they looked as chummy as a pair of Cheshire cats.”

p. 61 Red Fay “Bobby was with her all the time.”

p. 63 Bobby tries to have sex with Joan Braden.

p. 65 RFK and Jackie at party … Bobby “hovered around Jackie like he owned her.” “electricity” between them.

p. 65 Susan Pollock “affair was an open secret.”

p. 67-68 “Bobby and Jackie practically flaunted their mutual affection, hugging and kissing on the beach and walking arm in arm into a local restaurant for dinner.”

p. 70 Bobby’s chauffeur Jim Fitzgerald describes regular overnight stays at Jackie’s, come out the next day “with a grin on his face and a twinkle in his eyes.”

p.70 Dave Powers – RFK spends lots of his time with Caroline and John John.

p. 73 RFK affair with Natalie Fell Cushing

p. 74 Jackie’s affair with architect John Carl Warnecke

p. 75 Coates Redmon: “ I’m 99% sure they were involved … they could have had a mad, morbid attraction to each other, and how this initial attachment continued to grow.”

p. 76 Ted tries to kiss Ethel …”Ethel pushed him away and said, ‘We’ll have none of that Bobby and Jackie stuff in this house.’” Katherine the maid heard this and told it to laundress Mary De Grace.

p. 77 Frankin Roosevelt, Jr. “Everybody knew about the affair …The two of them carried on like a pair of lovesick teenagers… I suspect Bobby would have liked to dump Ethel and marry Jackie.”

p. 77 Merribelle Moore – Ethel called her home all the time complaining about the Bobby/Jackie affair.

p. 78 Richard Burton encouraging Bobby and Jackie to get married!

p. 81 Mary Harrington – RFK and Barbara Marx had affair.

p. 82 then Bobby has affair with Mary Harrington!

p. 83 Mary Harrington spots Bobby and Jackie sunbathing “As they began to kiss he placed one hand on her breast and the other inside of her bikini bottom. After a minute or so, she stood up, wrapped a towel around her breasts and shoulders, and walked toward the house. Bobby followed. I was shocked. It was clear that Bobby was sleeping with his sister-in-law.”

p. 83 RFK replaces JFK as the “dad” of his kids.

p. 84 Renee Lutten aide to Dr. Henry Lax – Jackie spoke of her affair w/RFK with her confidant Dr. Henry Lax.

p. 86 Ari Onassis has sex with Jackie.

p. 87 Audrey Zauderer – “Absolutely!” there was an affair.

p. 87 Maud Shaw – Bobby and Jackie “making no secret of their dalliance”

p. 87-88 Bernard Hayworth – Bobby and Jackie on the beach – “He began massaging her back and kissing her neck. I felt like an intruder, so I stood up to leave, and that’s when he saw me. He froze and so did I. After what seemed an eternity, he started massaging Jackie again.”

p. 88 Mort Downey, Jr. RFK affair with Kim Novak, in the bed while a hotel fire alarm goes off.

p. 89 RFK has affair with Claudine Longet to get even with Jackie seeing Ari Onassis

p. 90 RFK dating 19 year old Candice Bergen

p. 92 RFK and Polly Bissell, clad only in bathing suits, ride off on a Harley. 5/25/65. Go to a wooded area to have sex. Police report of a couple copulating in public – no arrests.

p. 96 Sir Cecil Beaton – Jackie “in much love” with Bobby

p. 99 Bobby and Jackie sitting very close at a bar

p. 100 C. Douglas Dillon – walked in on Bobby and Jackie kissing in the back yard

p. 101 Carl Killingsworth – no photos of JFK in Jackie’s apartment; only a large framed photo of Robert Kennedy

p. 106 Jackie either steals or accidentally takes gold cigarette lighter.

p. 111 Jackie tells Angier Biddle Duke that she is involved with 2 men who she values and respects.

p. 112 RFK and Onassis both send Jackie flowers on her return home from a trip

p.113 Pierre Salinger calls Bobby “Jackie’s current lover”

p. 113 Chuck Spalding “Bobby and Jackie were extremely close.”

p. 114 Truman Capote recalls Lee Radziwell’s daily updates on the Bobby/Jackie Kennedy affair… “Bobby was addicted to sex and got it where and whenever it was offered to him.”

p. 114 Eunice Shriver to Ethel Kennedy – “Well, what are you going to do about it – Bobby’s spending an awful lot of time with the ‘widder.’” Ethel gave no response at all.

p. 115 Johnny Meyer – key aide to Onassis – Onassis was disturbed about the RFK/Jackie affair.

p. 115 Meyer present for this. Onassis: “Your boyfriend’s a little prick.” Jackie: “That doesn’t describe him anatomically.”

p. 117-118 Ted Kennedy tells George Smather about RFK/Jackie affair and says that is one big reason why Robert Kennedy did not aggressively publicly pursue the investigation of his brother’s death.

p. 118 Larry Rivers talks about affair.

p. 120 Roy Cohn (a homosexual who died of AIDS and expert in sexual blackmail) said that RFK and Rudolph Nureyev were having an affair. [Note from Robert Morrow – I doubt this…]

p. 120 Sam Murphy doorman saw RFK for Jackie in 1966 – saw RFK come by about 3 times/week usually for overnights. Aristotle Onassis very rarely and usually with lots of gifts for the kids.

p. 121 Kenneth McKnight walked into RFK’s office in July, 1966. – “I peeked in and there, on a sofa, sat Bobby Kennedy, and straddling his lap, her arms around his neck, was Jackie Kennedy. When they saw me they engaged and stood.”

p. 122 RFK tells McKnight that he saw and heard nothing “If I hadn’t agreed … I honestly believe he would’ve murdered then and there.”

p. 123 RFK’s affair with Margo Cohen

p. 125 Jackie affair with Charles Adams

p. 126 Dave Powers – RFK on trip, has staff send letters to Ethel, while RFK calls Jackie 3 times per day.

p. 128 RFK buys Jackie a $12,000 jade Buddha decanter. Says send $10,000 invoice to Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation.

p. 129 Ethel Kennedy household abuzz with talk of Jackie/RFK affair.


p. 131 Truman Capote – “Never mind that Madame Queen [Jackie] was sleeping with her very married brother-in-law [Bobby] and concomitantly with none other than Aristotle Onassis, and that both were paying big money for her service.”

p. 133 April 1967 London trip. Bobby and Jackie were sharing same hotel suite.

p. 135 Ken O’Donnell talks about RFK/Jackie affair.

p. 139 Jackie tells RFK to run for Senate. She was the trusted advisor who RFK trusted the most even for political advice. Jack Newfield – heard from MANY people that RFK/Jackie were lovers. “I heard many times from many people that they were lovers. I couldn’t tell. But I could see that they were extremely committed to each other.”

Edited by Robert Morrow, 30 January 2011 - 08:14 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 07:55 AM


If everybody was so absolutely blackmailable - then why were bullets ultimately necessarily?


Blackmail couldn't be blamed on Castro. Neither could poison or a small plane crash or (to quote Nixon) "so forth and so on." Shooting from a distance with high-powered rifles, now that sounds like Castro (or the Russians or so forth and so on).

Blackmail also doesn't send any message to others, other than don't play around or take bribes.


Sorry not to have gotten back to this earlier. Ron Ecker is, of course, quite right on every point. That's what happened. My distinction was: At the "ultimate" moment, bullets were chosen over blackmail, or over the ballots that would be swayed by revealing the Kennedys' blackmail-attracting conduct. Why?

I've said, in posts past, that I don't believe that JFK and RFK were innocents of any sort, except in their perceptions of the danger cast by the forces and personalities arrayed against them. I believe JFK was a serial adulterer making political hay from an arranged marriage, and that he may, in his youth, have married another woman and had it annulled by mutual consent of their families. He was never known to bring home the first-lady type of woman, and vetting a bride for him from among the Kennedy circle was a part of his grooming. Even without Seymour Hersh, or books by the Giancana descendants, there is too much reportage and anecdote to believe in Family Man Jack - some of it by or about Dave Powers, some in Jackie's biographers, and other of it appearing in literary sources such as Gore Vidal's work.

Anecdotally, RFK is placed suspiciously close to the Marilyn Monroe death scene, by wiretappers and Teamster sources and a food chain of opportunistic authors. Jackie may have loved Jack, but after her miscarriage and purported disenchantment with his infidelity, she took long, spiteful vacations in the Mediterranean with Gianni Agnelli and Aristotle Onassis (their marraige being the QED). These interludes, under-reported at the time, leave a taste unlike that of visiting quilting bees and Bible circles in West Virginia.

We have no evidence that they did - but after losing Jack, would either RFK or Jackie have scrupled at having an affair within the moral latitudes created by Old Joe's example and the climate of assassination? It would have happened under the sort of blend of nihilism and compassion, mutual regard and narcissism, in which the participants can imagine that a dead husband and brother would approve of the affair.

But it could not have happened - because we have so much more verifiable product of research into what happened. And it happened for the reasons Ron Ecker describes, and because an assassination not only provides revenge but allows tacit policy changes, such as the reversal of Kennedy's Vietnam action, to appear seamless over the change of regimes. Knocking JFK and Bobby out with a sex scandal would not only reset the bar for reporting the considerable peccadilloes of their opponents, but make any successor seem even more like a reverser of policy than LBJ was perceived as being. Cuba disappeared as a front-burner issue, and a war in Vietnam became a necessary development under the cover of a nuclear threat-avoiding democratic transference of power. You couldn't pull that off through blackmail or scandalous revelation at that time and with that executive: the best outcome would not be a Kennedy reversing himself on Vietnam, but a Kennedy refusing the nomination in 1964, and then left outside the tent to micturate inward forevermore.

One would think that, on lesser grounds than the Hershes and Heymanns recount, this family could have been taken down like so many Gary Harts, even in a way that set bad precedent for the culture of adultery in politics. The feasibility of that move is more complicated, the variables too threatening to the perpetrators. What they wanted was a smooth and timely transition into war - out of the Caribbean and back into Asia. They weren't secure about their chances of getting it through blackmail. And they hated JFK, and attracted associates who hated him - shall we say - locally rather than globally, and so wanted him dead in their backyard.

While I am never prepared to accept the Kennedys as moral icons, I am very interested in separating the lies, canards, and propaganda regarding the Kennedys' moral vulnerability from establishable facts. Jim DiEugenio struck a formidable blow against the Kennedy smear industry in his two-part article. Any ad hoc committee of researchers could create a top-ten list of Kennedy slurs and myths to be investigated - Monroe, Mary Meyer, Judy Campbell, Onassis as assassination sponsor. This, though, would distract us from what happened.

Edited by David Andrews, 31 January 2011 - 05:50 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 07:57 AM

Wow, Cohn claimed to be straight?

What a fraud.

Roy Cohn despised Bobby. First for leaving McCarthy and then switching sides, and then going after him as AG. In fact, in the really good film about Cohn with James Woods, RFK's ghost is pictured as haunting the dying Cohn.

Wow, Heymann is truly a bottom feeder.


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"Romantic" is not the first word that comes to mind when referring to Robert McNamara, but the 88-year-old former defense secretary is a dove when it comes to love. McNamara will wed his Italian-born sweetheart, Diana Masieri Byfield, next week in a ceremony in Italy....

...Byfield was born in Aviano, Italy, and still has a thick accent, although she came to the United States more than 40 years ago. As a teenager she showed horses and drove rally cars. She was married for more than three decades to Ernest Byfield, a former OSS officer and public relations executive.

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I repeat: I think it is 99%+ that Robert and Jackie Kennedy were having an intense love affair, among other flings, from 1964 to 1968.

http://www.dailymail...kie-lovers.html

REVEALED: The FBI's top secret Kennedy files that showed Bobby and Jackie were loversBy C. David Heymann

Last updated at 10:55 AM on 12th July 2009

On the evening of November 25, 1963, the widowed Jackie Kennedy walked through Arlington National Cemetery, near Washington DC, with her brother-in-law Bobby. At the grave of Jackie's husband John, who had been assassinated three days previously, the pair dropped to their knees and prayed.
Afterwards, Jackie placed lilies of the valley on the earth. Then, holding hands, the widow and younger brother of John Fitzgerald Kennedy returned to their car.
They were joined in grief, but soon their relationship went beyond shared sorrow - becoming a clandestine affair that ended only when Bobby decided to run for President in 1968.
Jackie with her son John Jr and Bobby Kennedy in Hyannis Port, Cape Cod, in 1964
The romance was always doomed, punctuated by flings on both sides. And all the time waiting on the sidelines was the shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis, plotting to possess Jackie and destroy Bobby.
I first heard whispers of a romantic involvement between Robert and Jacqueline Kennedy while researching and conducting interviews for A Woman Named Jackie, my 1989 biography of the former First Lady. Because Jackie was still alive, my interviewees were reluctant to discuss the romance in detail.
Following Jackie's death in 1994 - and after I had begun work on RFK, my biography of Robert Kennedy - interview subjects, old and new, were more eager to explore the topic.
After the publication of RFK in 1998, I continued to probe the subject, collecting more material. I was aided in part by the release in 2007 of a set of previously unavailable reports and briefs prepared by the Secret Service and the FBI, released to me under the American Freedom of Information Act.
Covering the years 1964 to 1968, when the liaison took place, these documents confirmed what I had already ascertained in hundreds of hours of personal interviews - there had indeed been an affair.

I don't doubt that some will remain sceptical that Bobby and Jackie were romantically involved. In the course of writing four books on the Kennedys and another on Washington's female power brokers, I met individuals who still deny the rampant womanising of JFK. Indeed, it took The New York Times 30 years to admit that JFK had affairs outside his marriage.
Moreover, if Bobby and Jackie had an affair, how did they manage to keep it out of the public eye? The answer is that in the Sixties the private lives of public figures were simply not covered by the media - certainly not to the extent they are today. It was also easier to suppress newspaper stories 40 years ago.
Yet Bobby had always been the Kennedy relative Jackie felt most comfortable with. In fact, it was Bobby who convinced his elder brother John to marry Jacqueline Bouvier in 1953. Bobby saw Jackie as a potentially invaluable political weapon, with her finishing-school polish and academic prowess.
Bobby had wed Ethel Skakel, daughter of a coal magnate, in 1950: by the time of JFK's murder, the couple already had eight children.
Despite his family commitments, Bobby was close to Jackie. Writer Truman Capote, a great friend of Jackie's, said Bobby served a crucial role for her: 'As First Lady, she constantly turned to RFK for advice and support.'
This continued after John's death, as Jackie began to burnish her unfaithful husband's image for posterity. The former First Lady's education had given her a fine sense of history. It was she who came up with the notion of Camelot, likening her husband's presidency to King Arthur's court, with its high morals and ideals.
Bobby's rival: Jackie Kennedy with Aristotle Onassis in 1968
But if JFK had been Arthur, then Bobby was increasingly playing Lancelot to Jackie's Guinevere, especially when it came to helping raise her offspring. Bobby was soon spending more time with Jackie, and her children, Caroline and John Jr, than he did with his own large family.
He'd show up at Jackie's Washington home early in the morning and sit with the children while they had breakfast. He played games with them, read bedtime stories to them and spoke to them about their father, constantly reminding them what a great man he had been.
The ballerina Dame Margot Fonteyn, Jackie's guest at her Washington home in January 1964, confirmed that Bobby was often around.
'They seemed uncommonly close,' she told me in an interview before her death, 'no doubt drawn to one another by their shared loss'.
Another visitor to Jackie's house in that period was Aristotle Onassis, who had resumed his romance with Jackie's younger sister, Lee Radziwill. To Bobby's annoyance, the tycoon provided Jackie, then 34, with financial assistance.
However, things were moving fast between 38-year-old Bobby and Jackie. Over Easter 1964, Ethel took Jackie's children and her own on a ski trip, while Bobby, Jackie, Lee and JFK's friend Chuck Spalding went to Antigua.
It didn't take much to see Bobby and Jackie were developing something more than friendship. They held hands, touched, whispered into each other's ears. Every morning they took a long walk together along the shore.
At night they huddled on a veranda and gazed at the starlit sky. 'There was definitely something between them,' said Spalding. 'You had to be dumb, deaf and blind not to sense it.'
Despite Bobby Kennedy's often rough, tough, hard-nosed veneer, Jackie had always felt compassion and tenderness for him. Ken O'Donnell, one of JFK's closest aides, recalled how the former First Lady had expressed her affection for her brother-in-law.
'I wish you were an amoeba, so you could multiply and there would be two or more of you,' she once told Bobby.
At first though, their relationship was furtive. Two months after returning from Antigua, Bobby took Jackie and Ethel on a dinner cruise around the Potomac River on the presidential yacht.
At one point, Bobby and his sister-in-law disappeared below deck alone.
'I have no idea what transpired between them,' JFK's speechwriter Arthur Schlesinger, a fellow guest, told me. 'But when they returned, they looked as chummy and relaxed as a pair of Cheshire cats.'
Family secrets: Jackie with John F. Kennedy, then a senator, and their daughter Caroline in 1960
Inevitably, Ethel Kennedy began to resent the gradually increasing chatter among family, friends and gossip columnists that her husband was spending too much time in the company of his brother's widow.
It reached the point where she confronted David Ormsby-Gore, British ambassador to the United States during the Kennedy administration, and asked what, if anything, he knew about the relationship.
She posed the same question to Hervé Alphand, the former French ambassador. Neither of the men proved helpful in providing Ethel with the information she sought.
In August 1964 Bobby announced he would move to New York to run for the Senate. Jackie, too, made plans to relocate to Manhattan. Meanwhile, Ethel stayed with her children at the Kennedy home in Hickory Hill, Virginia.
Once in Manhattan, the records show the romance intensified. It was often turbulent, with both Bobby and Jackie seeking revenge for the other's indiscretions.
When Bobby became involved with the daughter of a New York socialite, the former First Lady initiated an affair with a San Francisco architect. She jettisoned him after less than a month and went back to Bobby, supporting his New York senatorial campaign.
By now, Jackie was one of the most recognisable women in the world and was more than happy to lend her fame to Bobby's bid for political office, even allowing her children to participate.
Indeed, it was Jackie who enlisted the help of Lyndon B. Johnson, who took over as President after JFK's assassination - no mean feat given the hostility that existed between Bobby and the President.
So deep was that resentment that Johnson ordered the FBI to spy on Bobby during the 1964 Democratic Convention, fearing the younger Kennedy would attempt to wrest the presidential nomination from him. But Bobby appeared to have other things on his mind.
In a restricted file that I have been shown, FBI boss J. Edgar Hoover reported: 'The subject seems to spend all his free time with Mrs John F. Kennedy. Although it can't be confirmed at this time, they appear to be sharing the same hotel suite.'
Similar intimacies existed in New York: Bobby's official driver would drop his boss in front of Jackie's Fifth Avenue apartment building around midnight, retrieving him the next morning.
'He'd stride out of the building with a grin on his face and a twinkle in his eye,' said the driver.
Tragic tie: Bobby and Jackie Kennedy hold hands as they leave John F. Kennedy's grave. Soon the two were having an affair
It was hard for the couple to hide their mutual affection. A friend recalled a weekend during Bobby's campaign when he visited Ethel at Hickory Hill.
'There was this great snapshot of Jackie and I commented on it. Ethel looked at it, but didn't utter a word. Bobby took a look. "She is beautiful, isn't she?" he commented.
'"She's an attractive woman," Ethel conceded. "Thank you for saying so," replied Bobby. You could have cut the tension in the room with a knife. After another minute or two, Ethel rose and left the room.'
In autumn of 1964, Jackie told officials she did not need Secret Service protection at her apartment overnight. Former White House Press secretary Pierre Salinger suggested another, more obvious motive: it meant Bobby could come and go without having to log in with Secret Service personnel.
Many Secret Service files on Jackie from this period have mysteriously disappeared. But one, from October 1964, reveals that Bobby and Jackie shared a bedroom on at least one occasion at a relative's New York apartment. Another says they stayed in a hotel suite together.
By now their affair was one of New York's worst-kept secrets. Franklin Roosevelt Jr, son of the former President, told me he was amazed Bobby and Jackie's romance had remained under wraps.
'The two of them carried on like a pair of lovesick teenagers,' said Roosevelt. 'I suspect Bobby would've liked to dump Ethel and marry Jackie, but of course that wasn't possible.'
During Christmas 1964, after Bobby won his Senate seat, Mary Harrington, a former lover, was staying in a house overlooking the Kennedy estate in Palm Beach, Florida.
One morning she saw Jackie sunbathing topless on the grass. Bobby walked out and knelt by Jackie's side and started kissing and fondling her.
'After a minute or so, she walked toward the house. Bobby followed. I was shocked. It was clear Bobby was sleeping with his sister-in-law,' said Harrington.
Being a single woman once again, Jackie represented a tremendous threat to all the married women in her social circle. With her fame, beauty and fashion sense, she had only to enter a room for the conversation to come to a halt.
Men would rush over to speak to her, while those who didn't approach were intrigued but also intimidated. She intimidated men and made women jealous.
It therefore took a certain kind of man to become romantically involved with somebody as famous as Jacqueline Kennedy. One such man was Aristotle Onassis, whose audacity, tenacity and wealth finally won Jackie over - up to a point.
Camelot: The term for the Kennedy White House was coined by Jackie, seated here in front of Bobby in a family photo on JFK's 1960 victory
She and JFK first met Onassis in 1960, when they attended a banquet aboard his yacht. Three years later, Onassis and Lee Radziwill began their highly publicised affair.
Bobby Kennedy could barely disguise his hatred of Onassis, who was 25 years his senior.
'I've known that b*****d for years,' Bobby once told a friend. 'He was a snake then and he's still a snake. Other than his bankroll, I don't understand what Jackie sees in him.'
On another occasion Bobby said: 'If it were up to me, I'd sink his f****** yacht - and the goddamn Greek with it.'
The former First Lady joined Onassis aboard that yacht on a five-day cruise to Nassau in February 1965. Although she had no intention of embarrassing Bobby politically by becoming involved with Onassis, Jackie realised that if she didn't accede to Onassis's sexual demands, she risked losing his patronage.
A friend of Onassis said Jackie was the most money-hungry woman she had ever met. 'She lusted after money and craved the kind of lifestyle only he could provide. Whenever Ari saw her he handed her an envelope full of cash. He was used to paying for sex.'
John Meyer, an Onassis aide who I interviewed, told me his boss had boasted: 'You'll be happy to know I finally bagged the queen.'
'Bobby,' he went on, 'just sees me as the rich p**** moving in on his brother's widow. Sooner or later, it'll come to a test of wills.'
Onassis was indeed a threat to Bobby's ambitions. The tycoon boasted he could 'bring down' the senator by revealing his affair with his sister-in-law.
'I could bury that sucker,' said Onassis, 'although I'd lose Jackie in the process. But can't you just see the headlines?'
Jackie carried on juggling both affairs at the same time.
On one occasion she returned from a trip abroad to find two imposing bouquets waiting for her. They were accompanied by identically worded cards saying 'welcome home'. The first was from Bobby, the second Onassis. She was expert at playing one lover off against the other.
When Jackie heard that one of Bobby's office workers had 'fallen in love' with the senator, she retaliated by turning to Onassis again, visiting him at his townhouse in Avenue Foch, Paris.
Opera diva Maria Callas, Onassis's 'official' companion, appeared unannounced and a row ensued. Onassis told an aide: 'The two of them nearly came to blows. I had to separate them.' Before Maria left, she called Jackie a 'geisha girl'.
Despite such hiccups, Jackie's affair with Onassis continued. After her children began the new school year in autumn 1967, Jackie spent five days on Skorpios, Onassis's private Greek island. According to an aide, Onassis proposed to her during the visit, but she put him off.
Bobby understood that Jackie would marry another man but he couldn't bear the thought of it being his arch-enemy. When Pierre Salinger brought up the subject, Bobby said: 'She'll marry that man over my dead body.'
Of course, Onassis, then 61, wanted to wed Jackie immediately, but he understood it wouldn't happen until after the 1968 presidential election. 'She's worth the wait,' he told an associate. 'There's something mystifying about her. She possesses a carnal soul.'
In March 1968, Bobby announced he would be seeking the Democratic presidential nomination.
'Won't it be wonderful when we're back in the White House?' Jackie asked at a family gathering. Ethel replied: 'What do you mean "we"? You're not running. This is our moment in the sun.'
Although inured by this time to Ethel's bluntness, Jackie knew that if Bobby were to become President, Ethel would indeed be made First Lady. Jackie had to come to terms with reality and accept that her future lay outside Washington politics.
For all the love that had flowed between them, Bobby and Jackie's four-year affair finally came to an end.
Jackie, though, still had an important role in the presidential campaign.
As an American heroine, she could make or break the Kennedy clan's efforts to secure Bobby's victory. For that reason Jackie assured Bobby that she would not announce her marriage to Onassis until after the election in November, if she married him at all.
In March 1968, Lyndon B. Johnson shocked the nation by announcing he would not seek his party's nomination for another term in office.
By dropping out, Johnson appeared to have paved the way for Bobby's victory.
Jackie should have been thrilled by the news but suddenly she began to question Bobby's presidential quest.
'Do you know what I think will happen to Bobby?' she asked Arthur Schlesinger. 'The same thing that happened to Jack. There is so much hatred in this country and more people hate Bobby than hated Jack. That's why I don't want him to be President.'
Her words were to prove appallingly prescient.


She was determined to seduce Brando

Tryst: Marlon Brando found himself chased by Jackie Kennedy
Marlon Brando was another visitor to Jackie's home after her husband's death in 1963. The star included several pages on Jackie in the first draft of his 1994 autobiography, but they were removed before publication. A close friend of Brando's showed me the first draft.
In February 1964, Jackie, then 34, and her sister had dinner with Brando and his business manager. After dinner, the two sisters were joined at Jackie's house by their dinner companions.
Jackie and Brando danced and drank together. While dancing, Jackie, who was deeply attracted to Brando, 'pressed her thighs' suggestively into his. They sat down and began to 'make out'.
In Brando's words: 'From all I'd read and heard about her, Jacqueline Kennedy seemed coquettish and sensual but not particularly sexual.
'If anything, I pictured her as more voyeur than player. But that wasn't the case. She kept waiting for me to try to get her into bed.
'When I failed to make a move, she took matters into her own hands and popped the magic question, "Would you like to spend the night?" And I said, "I thought you'd never ask."'
A week later, Jackie again saw Brando. Commenting on Jackie's 'boyish hips' and 'muscular frame', the actor said: 'I'm not sure she knew what she was doing sexually, but she did it well.'
After that second meeting, Jackie pursued Brando no further.
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I repeat: I think it is 99%+ that Robert and Jackie Kennedy were having an intense love affair, among other flings, from 1964 to 1968.

http://www.dailymail...kie-lovers.html

REVEALED: The FBI's top secret Kennedy files that showed Bobby and Jackie were loversBy C. David Heymann

Last updated at 10:55 AM on 12th July 2009

On the evening of November 25, 1963, the widowed Jackie Kennedy walked through Arlington National Cemetery, near Washington DC, with her brother-in-law Bobby....



Wow, Cohn claimed to be straight?

What a fraud.

Roy Cohn despised Bobby. First for leaving McCarthy and then switching sides, and then going after him as AG. In fact, in the really good film about Cohn with James Woods, RFK's ghost is pictured as haunting the dying Cohn.

Wow, Heymann is truly a bottom feeder.


http://www.time.com/...85043-2,00.html

[i].."Dick always worked the dark side," says Rudy Moore, a Clinton aide in Arkansas, "so Bill could move toward the light." In a series of exclusive, wide-ranging interviews with Time, Morris put it this way: "He shaped me into his tool. He looked at his life and saw what he needed, and I became that."...

Robert, since your posts are almost exclusively related to sexual themes, you are probably the best person to ask whether or not Dick Morris intended a sexual metaphor, as quoted in the Times magazine excerpt, above?

Besides Ron Paul and maybe his son, Sen. Rand, do you consider any prominent politician in any other context than what amounts to a sexual activity related litmus test?

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    I would bet my house, my car, and my bank account that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer for Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denying the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The Clinton thugs then stole the tapes. Watch the "New Clinton Chronicles" and go to minute 48 for the Gary Johnson interview.

Posted 30 January 2011 - 09:13 AM


I repeat: I think it is 99%+ that Robert and Jackie Kennedy were having an intense love affair, among other flings, from 1964 to 1968.

http://www.dailymail...kie-lovers.html

REVEALED: The FBI's top secret Kennedy files that showed Bobby and Jackie were loversBy C. David Heymann

Last updated at 10:55 AM on 12th July 2009

On the evening of November 25, 1963, the widowed Jackie Kennedy walked through Arlington National Cemetery, near Washington DC, with her brother-in-law Bobby....



Wow, Cohn claimed to be straight?

What a fraud.

Roy Cohn despised Bobby. First for leaving McCarthy and then switching sides, and then going after him as AG. In fact, in the really good film about Cohn with James Woods, RFK's ghost is pictured as haunting the dying Cohn.

Wow, Heymann is truly a bottom feeder.


http://www.time.com/...85043-2,00.html

[i].."Dick always worked the dark side," says Rudy Moore, a Clinton aide in Arkansas, "so Bill could move toward the light." In a series of exclusive, wide-ranging interviews with Time, Morris put it this way: "He shaped me into his tool. He looked at his life and saw what he needed, and I became that."...

Robert, since your posts are almost exclusively related to sexual themes, you are probably the best person to ask whether or not Dick Morris intended a sexual metaphor, as quoted in the Times magazine excerpt, above?

Besides Ron Paul and maybe his son, Sen. Rand, do you consider any prominent politician in any other context than what amounts to a sexual activity related litmus test?


A politician's sex life tells a LOT about them. It offers a key insight into their motivations, their weaknesses, their character or lack thereof, their trustworthiness, whether they are compromised, if they are blackmailed or blackmailable, if they have an addictive behavior.

A lot of people and politicians have double lives or secret lives: some are closet homosexuals (Republicans are more desperate to cover this up), or cheating with their secretary, or are wildly promiscous, seeing prostitutes, etc.

If you want to find out what a powerful man is REALLY doing then talk to his mistress or his secretary; usually it is a woman who the man has a close bond with whether or not he is having sex with her. Some men are more close to their mistresses (the case of Robert Kennedy and Jackie is a perfect example) than they are to their wives. Ditto secretaries.

Some people call these people secretaries, others call them the powerful man's chief enabler. Bill Clinton's secretary certainly functioned in this fashion.

Besides sex life, a politician's drug or alcohol use, or misuse and abuse give key insights to the person. Also, worth watching is watch the politician does to COVER UP their dysfunctional or socially unacceptable sex, drug or alchol life. Do they hire private detectives to intimidate women, threaten reporters, or even use the intelligence agencies to kill investigators (see Franklin Scandal, Omaha 1991, case of Gary Caradori for one example).

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 09:46 AM

The Acton Syllogism:

a.) Power corrupts
b.) Absolute power corrupts absolutely
c.) The Kennedys were not absolutely corrupt

#43 Robert Morrow

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    I would bet my house, my car, and my bank account that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer for Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denying the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The Clinton thugs then stole the tapes. Watch the "New Clinton Chronicles" and go to minute 48 for the Gary Johnson interview.

Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:00 PM

An author has been proven to actually put words in dead people's mouths. That is not enough.

An author has been proven to actually fake interviews with live people. That is not enough.

An author was almost indicted by the local DA for fraud. That is not enough.

An author then fled the country to escape legal action. That is not enough.

An author's publisher then had to pulp 60,000 copies of a book. That is not enough.

An author then does a deal with the Mossad to gain reentry into the USA. That is not enough.

After such a deal, said author now begins to write almost exclusively on the Kennedys, or Kennedy related. That is not enough.

The author then uses all of his previous techniques, in addition to just making stuff up completely. That is not enough.

One might ask, as many are, what is enough to accept a writer as discredited?

If Heymann admitted all of the above in a signed affidavit, would that do the trick?


Correct. There is just too much stuff out that Robert and Jackie Kennedy were having an affair. And I think that is an important thing to understand. In fact, I think the evidence is overwhelming of it and I do not think that Heymann fabricated his whole book. If half of it is true, or even 1/4 of it, then RFK and Jackie were having a big time affair.

Vii “Thereafter nearly every biographer of Bobby or Jackie, including volumes by Edward Klein, Christopher Anderson, Sarah Bradford, and Peter Evans, capitalized on my research and reported on the Bobby-Jackie affair, in certain instances adding new details to those already known.”

p. 113 "Chuck Spalding, who remained close to the clan, told John F. Kennedy biographer Nigel Hamilton that Bobby and Jackie were involved almost to the end of Bobby's life, and that their liaison had helped to restore the First Lady's emotional health."

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 10:19 PM

DA: Anecdotally, RFK is placed suspiciously close to the Marilyn Monroe death scene, by wiretappers and Teamster sources and a food chain of opportunistic authors.

This is pure balderdash.

RFK was in no way "suspiciously close to the MM death scene". Unless 600 miles is "suspiciously close". The guy was near San Francisco visiting a friend of his while speaking at a lawyers' function. There were witnesses to what he was doing at the time.


According to Don Wolfe's book on Marilyn Monroe (and it is a very good book, written by a careful researcher) RFK was here in Los Angeles that night, and that is not a rumor or an urban legend. Wolfe's book starts with the incident of RFK and two others being pulled over on Sunset Boulevard for speeding (RFK was a passenger). Of course, that is just an assertion by an author, and so I followed up on the matter. Matters changed for me when I met the law partner of one of the car's passengers. I have known him for about a decade now and he is perfectly credible. His law partner, now deceased, was in that car. With Bobby. The officer pulled them over for speeding, saw that it was Bobby Kennedy, and let them go.

Wolfe's book starts with this incident. And it moves on from there.

(FYI: Don Wolfe had no idea that this corroboration existed when he wrote his book. Wolfe was relying on the police officer interviews that he had; and I assume that you are aware that there are one or more police officers who maintain that to be the case).

Make of all this what you will. I am no "Marilyn Monroe" expert. But I don't see how the combined accounts of both the police officer(s) and the attorney, whose partner was in the car, can be easily discounted. Rather, I am somewhat skeptical of the RFK friend, in northern California, who was used as an alibi witness to place him up there, that entire evening.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 10:40 PM

...and the plot thickens:

"As the Attorney General of the United States, Robert F Kennedy, was making his escape after having murdered movie star legend, Marilyn Monroe, with a poison suppository--his escape vehicle was pulled over on a routine traffic stop. In their haste, the accomplices--particularly the driver of the escape vehicle--were careless. The driver was speeding from the scene of the crime due to anxiety created from his participation in the crime. However, the Los Angeles Police Department's patrolman who pulled them over noticed that one of the occupants was the US Attorney General. Since the LAPD all loved and respected RFK so much--as evidenced by the thorough investigation they did into his murder in 1968--the officer let the driver go with only a warning."

Sorry, for the dripping sarcasm, David. No offense intended, but I'm not buying it at all.




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