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#1 David Josephs

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 05:50 PM

If there is a way to get a question to Jim Marrs....

He mentions twice about "OTHERS" with Haire in the back alley... are these "others" ever identified
and do they coroborrate?

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Bernard J. Haire, owner of Bernie's Hobby House two doors from the theater,
walked out of his shop shortly before 2:00 pm, and saw police cars backed up to
Madison Street. He walked out front where the crowd had gathered, but he could
not see what was going on. (Haire can be seen at the edge of the crowd in front
in at least one photograph snapped as Oswald was taken out.) He walked through
his store into the back alley, which was also crowded with police cars.


Haire and others watched as the police escorted a man from the rear of the
Texas Theatre; the man wore a "white pullover shirt," and was very "flush" in
the face as though he had been in a struggle. Haire's description of this man
"white shirt" with a "flush face" is consistent with witness statements of
Tippit's killer before, during and after the shooting.


For twenty-five years, Mr. Haire and those he was with thought they had
witnessed the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald in the alley behind the Texas
Theatre. When informed by researcher Jim Marrs that Oswald had been brought out
the front of the theater, Haire asked, "Then who was the person I saw police
take out the rear of the theater, put in a police car, and drive off?" (Marrs,
Crossfire, 354)

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 08:42 PM

Sadly I come to find from Jim that Dave R is misquoting...

Haire never said anything about anyone else back there, according to Jim, who I think should know his own work....

In Jim D's review of Douglass we see it pop up again...
I don't see anything in Burrough's testimony supporting this... was it from something else?

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http://www.ctka.net/...nspeakable.html
Mather did high-security communications work for Collins Radio, a major contractor for the CIA. How major and sensitive? Collins had outfitted raider ships for sabotage missions off the coast of Cuba. They also installed communication towers in Vietnam. Further, Mather had installed electronics equipment on Air Force Two. (p. 297) After Wise's call, the Bureau wanted to talk to Mather. But Mather didn't want to talk to the Bureau. So they talked to his wife Barbara. She surprised the G-men by saying her husband had been a close friend of J. D. Tippit. How close? When Tippit was shot, his wife phoned them. Many years later, the HSCA also wanted to talk to Mather. He didn't want to talk to them either. They persisted. He relented upon one condition: he wanted a grant of immunity from prosecution. But he still had no explanation for how his license ended up on a car with an Oswald double in it right after Oswald's arrest. This is all interesting, even engrossing, on its own. But the author takes it further. Citing the valuable work of John Armstrong, he then builds a case that there were two Oswalds at the Texas Theater on November 22, 1963. One was arrested and taken out the front door. The second Oswald was hiding in the balcony and later escorted out the back by the police. Before anyone gets too dismissive, there are two Dallas Police Department reports that refer to Oswald being in the balcony of the theater. (p. 293) And there are two witnesses who saw an Oswald lookalike escorted out the rear: Butch Burroughs and Bernard Haire. (I should add here, in a 4/8/08 interview I did with Armstrong for this review, he said there was a sheriff's officer who also saw this second Oswald on the stairs between the mezzanine and the first floor.) The author postulates that the man who exited the rear is the man who ended up in the Falcon. He then wraps this up by saying that this double was ultimately flown out of Dallas on a military transport plane. This is based on the testimony of retired Air Force officer Robert Vinson. It is contained in a 52-page affidavit given to his attorney James P. Johnston of Wichita, Kansas.

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 12:59 AM

Sadly I come to find from Jim that Dave R is misquoting...

Haire never said anything about anyone else back there, according to Jim, who I think should know his own work....

In Jim D's review of Douglass we see it pop up again...
I don't see anything in Burrough's testimony supporting this... was it from something else?


In an interview with the author, Burroughs told Douglass about the second arrest. (See page 291) This is what James Douglass wrote about Haire on page 292:

http://books.google....theatre&f=false

You can check Douglass' sources in the Notes section, page 467. There he provides more details about his interview with Burroughs.

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 04:52 PM

Thanks Michael....

Douglass' book is something to commit to memory for sure....
I'm surprised I didn't remember that section about Burroughs...

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:33 AM

Sadly I come to find from Jim that Dave R is misquoting...

Haire never said anything about anyone else back there, according to Jim, who I think should know his own work....

In Jim D's review of Douglass we see it pop up again...
I don't see anything in Burrough's testimony supporting this... was it from something else?

Thanks
DJ

http://www.ctka.net/...nspeakable.html

Citing the valuable work of John Armstrong, he then builds a case that there were two Oswalds at the Texas Theater on November 22, 1963. One was arrested and taken out the front door. The second Oswald was hiding in the balcony and later escorted out the back by the police. Before anyone gets too dismissive, there are two Dallas Police Department reports that refer to Oswald being in the balcony of the theater. (p. 293) And there are two witnesses who saw an Oswald lookalike escorted out the rear: Butch Burroughs and Bernard Haire. (I should add here, in a 4/8/08 interview I did with Armstrong for this review, he said there was a sheriff's officer who also saw this second Oswald on the stairs between the mezzanine and the first floor.) The author postulates that the man who exited the rear is the man who ended up in the Falcon. He then wraps this up by saying that this double was ultimately flown out of Dallas on a military transport plane. This is based on the testimony of retired Air Force officer Robert Vinson. It is contained in a 52-page affidavit given to his attorney James P. Johnston of Wichita, Kansas.


Norman Mailer, whom everyone despises, also said in Oswald's Tale, that there was an Oswald taken out the front and one taken out back. Mailer may have came close to the theory of 2 Oswalds, but he missed it. Someone told me that Mailer was in trouble with the IRS and that after his book came out -- he didn't even notice Secret Service men avoiding the limo in which Kennedy rode (Zapruder and Love Field) -- his tax problems were over.

Which was a dasterdly deed. He knew there was a conspiracy and found nothing to prove that?

Unbelievable.

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