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#121 Scott Kaiser

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 11:37 PM

Mr. Kaiser,

It is a JFK Forum and most everyone is interested in good information, so present you case, write your book, build your thesis and we'll watch.

If you note, I am just being the bystander and observing. As do lots of others on EF. I well know the Cuba issues were a factor, just not the biggest one.


When it comes to JFK, the extent of the Buy-Ins are important and JFK sold the Zionists early on in 1960 with his political platform gestures, just as most of the US Congress does today and gets free junkets for a Middle East Vacation.

Several more things had to fall that protected JFK and one of the biggest was they had to subvert the highly Jewish controlled Democratic media in New York. What better way to do that than to have the NAZI's sponsor some Egyptian weapons work help that set off Ben Gurion. The Birchers knew the International Political turf very well, Hunt and Walker were NAZI players, and the last things to fall into place was JFK asking too many questions on the UFO incident connected to Roswell / White Sands / Ft. Bliss, so that certainly didn't have the NAZI's pulling too hard to JFK, but it did for LBJ who set up NASA.

Between too many UFO questions, too much support for peace with Russia that dumped the US into WWII, and not letting the Zionists have the Bomb---all that was needed to shut down both the Domestic Press and the International Press that would have wanted to out those that tried to frame Russia and Cuba. There was lots of leverage with the false Mockingbird techniques to start a war, if they didn't play their game.

In telling the larger perspectives on JFK, the intention is to expose all the crooked dealings and exploitations of America and other groups that more follow the games of the highly corrupted British Intelligence than the US CIA. Besides, Rockefeller started the CIAA, which was the model that became the OSS, the model that became the IG Farben, and the mess of Industrial diseases infecting the US in varied ways from health cover ups to political subversion of the US Constitution and control over the Money system.



So, basically what your saying is that it was a racist issue that killed JFK? Talking about NAZI's, Zionists, Egyptians and Russians? You have an incredible mind of which I would love to explorer and understand what it is that makes you think this.

I've watched the youtube video and it's presentation is well presented, I'm assuming you are the one who put it together? I have witnessed the amount of books, videos and hogwash many have put together for their own deceitful taste of pleasure. My mother has kept information never been made known to anyone and she now whats to come forward with the information my father was killed over. And if you think its not a personal vendetta I have against the CIA? After all it was the CIA that took the boat my father was killed and sunk it in the ocean.

Are you familiar to what extents the CIA would go to, to cover up their actions? Seriously Mr. Phelps, it was not the Mormons, Jews Zionists, NAZI or the KKK who assassinated JFK. However, you could write a good fiction book, not me.

Edited by Scott Kaiser, 18 September 2011 - 11:43 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:08 AM


Mr. Kaiser,

It is a JFK Forum and most everyone is interested in good information, so present you case, write your book, build your thesis and we'll watch.

If you note, I am just being the bystander and observing. As do lots of others on EF. I well know the Cuba issues were a factor, just not the biggest one.


When it comes to JFK, the extent of the Buy-Ins are important and JFK sold the Zionists early on in 1960 with his political platform gestures, just as most of the US Congress does today and gets free junkets for a Middle East Vacation.

Several more things had to fall that protected JFK and one of the biggest was they had to subvert the highly Jewish controlled Democratic media in New York. What better way to do that than to have the NAZI's sponsor some Egyptian weapons work help that set off Ben Gurion. The Birchers knew the International Political turf very well, Hunt and Walker were NAZI players, and the last things to fall into place was JFK asking too many questions on the UFO incident connected to Roswell / White Sands / Ft. Bliss, so that certainly didn't have the NAZI's pulling too hard to JFK, but it did for LBJ who set up NASA.

Between too many UFO questions, too much support for peace with Russia that dumped the US into WWII, and not letting the Zionists have the Bomb---all that was needed to shut down both the Domestic Press and the International Press that would have wanted to out those that tried to frame Russia and Cuba. There was lots of leverage with the false Mockingbird techniques to start a war, if they didn't play their game.

In telling the larger perspectives on JFK, the intention is to expose all the crooked dealings and exploitations of America and other groups that more follow the games of the highly corrupted British Intelligence than the US CIA. Besides, Rockefeller started the CIAA, which was the model that became the OSS, the model that became the IG Farben, and the mess of Industrial diseases infecting the US in varied ways from health cover ups to political subversion of the US Constitution and control over the Money system.



So, basically what your saying is that it was a racist issue that killed JFK? Talking about NAZI's, Zionists, Egyptians and Russians? You have an incredible mind of which I would love to explorer and understand what it is that makes you think this.

I've watched the youtube video and it's presentation is well presented, I'm assuming you are the one who put it together? I have witnessed the amount of books, videos and hogwash many have put together for their own deceitful taste of pleasure. My mother has kept information never been made known to anyone and she now whats to come forward with the information my father was killed over. And if you think its not a personal vendetta I have against the CIA? After all it was the CIA that took the boat my father was killed and sunk it in the ocean.

Are you familiar to what extents the CIA would go to, to cover up their actions? Seriously Mr. Phelps, it was not the Mormons, Jews Zionists, NAZI or the KKK who assassinated JFK. However, you could write a good fiction book, not me.

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Mr. Kaiser,

No, I didn't make any videos on JFK and don't know who did. I have zero videos on You Tube.

If your Mom has some good info---then get it out there in this book and we'll all kick the tires and see if it is a good fit.

The success or failure of your story is yours to perform, and I'll continue to watch and keep a low profile. But, do count on my theme for JFK being Birchers, Rockefellers, and all their associated Mob.

So, until you fit in the larger History of "Ike" Riding around with Khruchev and setting off the Russian Hate again, until your fit in the CIAA and Rockefellers cranked up long before there was a Castro causing problems, and the court in the Southern America was Rockefeller built, you are not going to get a lot of my attention for the fuller aspect per JFK and the Communism issues that Rockefeller was using the Birchers to set up to control foreign policy. The Control started under Ike, and they so alienated persons like Goldwater and Buckley they bailed out of the extreme Right Birchers that were doing lots of the Rockefeller biddings on foreign policy.

You do what you need to do for your story, and I'll watch.

But if all the others don't buy-in, it is your ability to sell the story and expose the issues that must come from your ball handling. It won't be me that makes or breaks your story. It may however be, this run on diatribe that happens on your threads because you can't block detractors.

I am just telling the Bircher issues that directly link to the Rockefeller goals for Foreign Policy and Banking Control.

But anyway, lets see this book and all your mom's secrets. Take your time and write a very good book. Don't be dupped into telling stories that make the book anti-climactic by those wooling your around on EF. Apply yourself to your book.

I am not going to toss you any insults in return for yours. Keep telling your story, but I do think it is obvious that it doesn't fit well into the Bircher theme.

I do hope you've said your peace here, and get back to work on your book. The truth always wins out, but when there is a great aversion to truth for money and polical power, it takes time to bubble up. So, get the point here: I am not going to debate your book issues here. Do that on your thread(s). I likely won't chime in, but watch occassionally.

I just add to the boyancy effects per Birchers, Rockefellers, Money and Power. That is the theme here.

Edited by Jim Phelps, 19 September 2011 - 04:28 AM.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:20 AM



Mr. Kaiser,

It is a JFK Forum and most everyone is interested in good information, so present you case, write your book, build your thesis and we'll watch.

If you note, I am just being the bystander and observing. As do lots of others on EF. I well know the Cuba issues were a factor, just not the biggest one.


When it comes to JFK, the extent of the Buy-Ins are important and JFK sold the Zionists early on in 1960 with his political platform gestures, just as most of the US Congress does today and gets free junkets for a Middle East Vacation.

Several more things had to fall that protected JFK and one of the biggest was they had to subvert the highly Jewish controlled Democratic media in New York. What better way to do that than to have the NAZI's sponsor some Egyptian weapons work help that set off Ben Gurion. The Birchers knew the International Political turf very well, Hunt and Walker were NAZI players, and the last things to fall into place was JFK asking too many questions on the UFO incident connected to Roswell / White Sands / Ft. Bliss, so that certainly didn't have the NAZI's pulling too hard to JFK, but it did for LBJ who set up NASA.

Between too many UFO questions, too much support for peace with Russia that dumped the US into WWII, and not letting the Zionists have the Bomb---all that was needed to shut down both the Domestic Press and the International Press that would have wanted to out those that tried to frame Russia and Cuba. There was lots of leverage with the false Mockingbird techniques to start a war, if they didn't play their game.

In telling the larger perspectives on JFK, the intention is to expose all the crooked dealings and exploitations of America and other groups that more follow the games of the highly corrupted British Intelligence than the US CIA. Besides, Rockefeller started the CIAA, which was the model that became the OSS, the model that became the IG Farben, and the mess of Industrial diseases infecting the US in varied ways from health cover ups to political subversion of the US Constitution and control over the Money system.



So, basically what your saying is that it was a racist issue that killed JFK? Talking about NAZI's, Zionists, Egyptians and Russians? You have an incredible mind of which I would love to explorer and understand what it is that makes you think this.

I've watched the youtube video and it's presentation is well presented, I'm assuming you are the one who put it together? I have witnessed the amount of books, videos and hogwash many have put together for their own deceitful taste of pleasure. My mother has kept information never been made known to anyone and she now whats to come forward with the information my father was killed over. And if you think its not a personal vendetta I have against the CIA? After all it was the CIA that took the boat my father was killed and sunk it in the ocean.

Are you familiar to what extents the CIA would go to, to cover up their actions? Seriously Mr. Phelps, it was not the Mormons, Jews Zionists, NAZI or the KKK who assassinated JFK. However, you could write a good fiction book, not me.

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Mr. Kaiser,

No, I didn't make any videos on JFK and don't know who did. I have zero videos on You Tube.

If your mom has some good info---then get it out there in this book and we'll all kick the tires and see if it is a good fit.

The success or failure of your story is yours to perform, and I'll continue to watch and keep a low profile. But, do count on my theme for JFK being Birchers, Rockefellers, and all their associated Mob.

So, until you fit in the larger History of Ike Riding around with Kruchev and setting off the Russian Hate again, until your fit in the CIAA and Rockefellers cranked up long before there was a Castro causing problems, and the court in the Southern America was Rockefeller built, you are not going to get a lot of my attention for the fuller aspect per JFK and the Communism issues that Rockefeller was using the Birchers to set up to control foreign policy. The Control started under Ike, and they so alienated persons like Goldwater and Buckley they bailed out of the extreme Right Birchers that were doing lots of the Rockefeller biddings on foreign policy.

You do what you need to do for your story, and I'll watch.

But if all the others don't buy-in, it is your ability to sell the story and expose the issues that must come from your ball handling. It won't be me that makes or breaks your story. It may however be, this run on diatribe that happens on your threads because you can't block detractors.

I am just telling the Bircher issues that directly link to the Rockefeller goals for Foreign Policy and Banking Control.

But anyway, lets see this book and all your mom's secrets. Take your time and write a very good book. Don't be dupped into telling stories that make the book anti-climactic by those wooling your around on EF. Apply yourself to your book.

I am not going to toss you any insults in return for yours. Keep telling your story, but I do think it is obvious that it doesn't fit well into the Bircher theme.

I do hope you've said your peace here, and get back to work on your book. The truth always wins out, but when there is a great aversion to truth for money and polical power, it takes time to bubble up. So, get the point here. I am not going to debate your book issues here. Do that you your thread. I likely won't chime in, but watch occassionally.

I just add to the boyancy effects per Birchers, Rockefellers, Money and Power.




Okay, so if your going to point out the Bircher's and the Rockefeller, why not point out the Duponts and Chase Manhattan's too? And if the Control started under Ike then why not assassinate Eisenhower? Why wait to get to Kennedy?

#124 Jim Phelps

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 02:11 AM

Mr. Kaiser,

Read history. They jumped on Ike initially for letting Khruchev ride around with Pentagon Generals in parades, and it pretty much worked, and Ike learned what the Mil / Ind Network gang was. They were screwing with US Foreign Policy then and since that worked it grew bigger and more aggressive.

Round two, after the Ike warning to JFK, JFK didn't intend to get run over like Ike was run over.

The DuPonts had some investments in Cuba, but they didn't start the CIAA.

Kennedy went after the heads of the Beast---Ike didn't.

JFK went after the London International Bankers Money Machine /aka Fed.
JFK was going to shut down the free drug running out of Vietnam to the French Corsicans.
JFK was going to make peace with Cuba and Russia.
JFK was going to cut the big oil gangs free money--Oil Depletion.
JFK was going to muscle the Zionists on Nukes.
JFK was catching LBJ being a crook--Estes, Baker, Jaffee.
JFK was catching Hoover being a crooked lawman--taking pay-offs.
JFK was not going to be CIA / JCS baited into making a war.

Ike didn't do any of those things. Ike worked for Columbia University, sat in the IG Farbin HQ which was a Rockefeller design, and played ball with the Royalists. Ike assigned Nixon to appease the Mil / Ind Network (Birchers/Rockefellers/BigOil) with "Operation Mongoose".

JFK didn't. JFK made a bunch of fake statements to get elected, then went for the throats of the Beast. JFK disassembled Mongoose, which reversed the progress the Birchers and Rockefeller Foreign Policy meddling gained by political pressure on Ike. JFK screwed up the Birchers success story, and the Rockefeller long standing plans to Dominate the Americas and the Gulf.


If you had to ask that trivial a question, you do need to read about the issues of JFK on a much wider scale.

Anyway, no offence, but I am going to be moving on with adding more information and ignore your further questions that are fairly well covered in this thread previously, via the History restated, as well as lots of other books, etc..

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Edited by Jim Phelps, 19 September 2011 - 05:22 AM.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:59 AM

Read history....

....Ike assigned Nixon to appease the Mil / Ind Network (Birchers/Rockefellers/BigOil) with "Operation Mongoose".

JFK didn't. JFK made a bunch of fake statements to get elected, then went for the throats of the Beast. JFK disassembled Mongoose.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 05:32 AM

Looks like the thread on JBS is zooming past 4,800 views today, averaging about 100 views per day.

Back to the JBS theme via Oliver's associations:

One of the most interesting of the Revilo P. Oliver pages is listed below. In these web pages Oliver gets highly into manipulations of religion, both Western Christianity and lots of Jewish issues.

It is an interesting read that takes lots of time, but reveals tons of rare information. This one has audio recordings of his rebel rousing for the JBS. It also has his photos through the years of his life. This is the "older" web page"


http://www.revilo-ol...m/indexold.html


This is the newer web page:


http://www.revilo-oliver.com/


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He also has a lot to say about the JFK assassination:

http://www.revilo-ol...ng_Kennedy.html




While Johnson was flying to Washington with Kennedy's corpse, he was informed from Washington (i.e., by McGeorge Bundy or Commander Hallet in the White House) that "no conspiracy" was concerned in the assassination--this at a time when no investigation had been made (Oswald had just been arrested and was being questioned, but denied that he was the assassin). Obviously, Johnson was being informed that the high command had decided to make the assassination the work of a 'loner'--and had probably also decided that Oswald was a suitable patsy and must be eliminated before he had a chance to made a formal statement. (9)



(9. Oswald prudently refused to make a statement before he had a lawyer to advise him. It is probable that he was also awaiting instructions from his employers, who may or may not have been agents of the F.B.I. He was in touch with a local agent of that organization named Hosty, and about two weeks before the assassination had left with the Special Agent in Charge in Dallas a memorandum or report that was torn up and flushed down a sewer after the event. He was in any case acting for some covert agency of the Federal government. There is an unsubstantiated but not implausible theory that he was thus employed while in Russia. However that may be, it is likely that his activities on behalf of Fidel Castro's Soviet outpost in Cuba were carried out while he was in the employ of some agency of the government in Washington, and that he was directed to make his attempt to murder General Edwin A. Walker, the most prominent anti-Communist in Dallas. (Had the attempt succeeded, it could have been argued that American patriots in Dallas assassinated Kennedy in revenge for the murder of Walker.) His rôle in the assassination, like that of Rubenstein, alias Ruby, with whom he seems to have acted in concert, is still undetermined. A possible element in the puzzle is the fact that the C.I.A. is legally forbidden to operate within the United States, so that its domestic agents commonly operate as, and may actually be, agents of the F.B.I. All these speculations may seem far-fetched to persons who have no knowledge of the secret operations of intelligence agencies.)



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(10. As is well known, Oswald, while handcuffed between two detectives, was murdered by a gangster from Chicago named Jacob Rubenstein, alias Jack Ruby, who thus acquired the distinction of being the first man to commit murder while being photographed by several television cameras. Rubenstein, who operated night clubs in Dallas, had been associated with Oswald in some transactions of which the nature is still uncertain. He had a criminal record and was a paid employee of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but Earl Warren naturally covered up for him in his report. Rubenstein had obviously been instructed to eliminate Oswald before he could made a formal statement. In Dr. Crenshaw's opinion, it might have been possible to save Oswald's life, if, within three minutes after he was shot, he had been given the treatment he received in the trauma room at Parkland; that, of course, would not have been possible, and the delay of fifteen minutes made death inevitable. Had Oswald lived, Johnson and his fellow conspirators would have had to devise some means of silencing him before he could talk. Mr. Shaw's summary does not mention the significant fact that Rubenstein in prison evidently decided to disclose some of the crucial facts to a female journalist, Dorothy Kilgallen, who delightedly told her friends that she was going to "blow sky high" the official story of the assassination, but was murdered before she could do so. Rubenstein was eliminated soon thereafter; the official story was that he had died of sudden cancer. It has been estimated that a total of some forty to fifty persons, witnesses to one or another crucial incident, were murdered to prevent them from contradicting the Warren Report. There are still many naïvely opinionated Americans who refuse to understand the character of the government that rules them.)


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Mr. Shaw believes that J. Edgar Hoover withheld evidence obtained by his Bureau because he was a friend of Lyndon Johnson. Informed opinion in Washington was to the effect that Hoover withheld incriminating evidence to prevent Johnson and "Bobby Sox" Kennedy from retiring him as head of the F.B.I. After Johnson was elected in November 1964, he replaced Kennedy with a Jew, Katzenbach, who had been officially Deputy Attorney General and, in all likelihood, actually Kennedy's supervisor, but Hoover remained the Director of the F.B.I. until his death in 1972. The evidence that he used to protect himself by political blackmail has not been revealed. It may be disclosed in 2039, when the files sealed by order of Lyndon Johnson may be opened--if, at that time, the rulers of the territory that is now the United States are interested in events of what will then be a dead past.


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'Kennedy...bypassed the Jewish Federal Reserve and issued government notes...as did President Abraham Lincoln a hundred years earlier and for which he, too, paid the ultimate price. ... On June 30, 1963, Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110, and further amended E.O. No. 10289 of September 19, 1952, thereby giving the President authority to issue the currency. He thereupon ordered the issue of $4,292,893,875.00. This was almost ten times as much as the $450,000,000.00 ["greenbacks"] printed by Lincoln during the Civil War. He evidently forced the then Secretary of the Treasury, C. Douglas Dillon, another name-changing Jew (Lapowski?), to sign the United States notes. Shortly thereafter...Kennedy paid the ultimate price and was shot, as was Lincoln. ... The first thing President Johnson did when he flew back to Washington was to reverse this order.'

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There appeared to be a real rift within the organization of our rulers (as distinct from dissent simulated to entertain the populace). A correspondent kindly informs me that he clearly remembers that, not long before Kennedy was expunged, Eisenhower appeared on television irately to denounce Kennedy for plans to tamper with the sacrosanct Federal Reserve, going so far as to regret that he had not campaigned for Nixon and thus assured his election in place of Kennedy. Since I almost never watch the Jews' picture-shows, I did not see that program. I do have vague recollections of very adverse criticism of Kennedy by the Super-Sheeny, Avraham ben Elazar, alias Dr. Henry Kissinger, (2) who was probably the Jewish satrap in charge of supervising the government in Washington. This seemed to indicate an internal struggle among our rulers, possibly a struggle between two factions of the ruling race. (3)



(2. The real name of Kissinger was disclosed by the Supreme Rabbinic Court of America when he was excommunicated from Jewry on 20 June 1976. The real reason for the excommunication has not been disclosed, and it would be a waste of time to consider conjectural explanations.)


(3. We must remember that although God's Race presents a united front against our race, which they both despise and hate, there are often violent disagreements about the expediency of some policy and consequently frequent, if not constant, quarrels between factions within the Self-Chosen People. For a good example, see Lenni Bremmer, The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir (London, Zed Books, 1984). Needless to say, the "revisionism" mentioned in the title has nothing to do with the "revisionism" of honest historians who are now trying to expose the Jews' great Holohoax. Zionist "revisionism" deals with changes in policies for putting and keeping the goyim in their servile place. Bremmer particularly reprehends Shamir and his party of Zionists for attempts to enter into a military alliance with Adolf Hitler to expedite his "ultimate solution" of the Jewish problem in Germany by transferring the Jews in Germany to Palestine. Cf. Liberty Bell, March 1991, pp. 1-3; April-May 1991, pp. 108-114.)


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(4. The "Great Emancipator" seems to have had one real principle, dislike of niggers, whom he wished to export from American territory. In the "emancipation proclamation" he made provision for shipping the niggers back to Africa or some more convenient place in the Caribbean or Central America, and he did export at least five thousand of them to Haiti. That is the number exported, at a cost of $50.00 a head, under contract by Leonard Jerome, a financier, thought to have been partly Jewish, whose daughter married Lord Randolph Churchill and became the mother of the notorious Winston Churchill. On Lincoln's character, see especially the article by Sam G. Dickson, "Shattering the Icon of Abraham Lincoln," in the Journal of Historical Review, VII (1986), pp. 319-344.)

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The apparently documented attribution of an Executive Order for fiat currency to Kennedy was so plausible that many intelligent Americans, ignoring the more obvious motive for the highly successful assassination that I have mentioned above, leaped to the conclusion that Kennedy had been assassinated to prevent the issuance of currency on which the country would not have to pay usury to the Federal Reserve. And the supposed purport of Executive Order 11110 is mentioned in the campaign speeches of the American candidate for the Presidency, Colonel James "Bo" Gritz, who, although you would never know it from the jewspapers and boob tubes, is on the ballot in some twenty states as the candidate of a Populist Party and could receive 'write-in' votes in all but seven of the remaining states. In his speeches he elaborates on what he said in Called to Serve, that Kennedy "prepared his own death warrant" because, inter alia, "he actually minted [!] non-debt money." (8)


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Now Kennedy's Executive Order 11110, by authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to continue issuing silver certificates and minting silver coins, including silver dollars, could be construed as countering the Act of Congress of the same date, for, on its face, it certainly does not conform to the policy of gradually taking silver certificates and silver dollars from the boobs. If that was his purpose, it was certainly commendable. But we must note that the actual issuance of real money was left to the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury, a Jew who called himself Dillon, and one cannot be certain of the intended effect of the order without a detailed knowledge of the secret tensions and intrigues within the Administration.

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(13. One of the most audacious hoaxes was devised when the filthy mongrel called Eisenhower was President. The hoaxer printed letterheads of a Mamie Stover Foundation, headed by the Communist Kike on the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter, and sent out on that letterhead form letters that solicited contributions to establish a memorial for the mulatta who was Eisenhower's mother. The hoaxer thought that a good way to call public attention to the fact that "dear old Ike" was part nigger (as well as part Jew). Although he covered his track so well that the F.B.I. could find no valid evidence against him, he very seriously embarrassed the publisher with whom he was then associated. Another hoax involved quotations from a book supposedly written by a Jew, but of which no trace could be found. When the hoaxer was confronted with this fact, he defended himself by pleading that "Any stick is good enough to beat a Jew." He evidently could not understand that a stick that breaks in one's hand is not only useless, but dangerous and likely to wound the hand that wields it. To the extent that he was believed by persons on our side, he had done--unintentionally I hope--the work of an agent provocateur.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 02:10 PM

This thread is the story of how the John Birch Society were the "Ring Leaders" of the hit on JFK. There are some that don't want this much solving for the JFK assassination to be aired, but the "Birchers" were the "Ring Leaders" on the JFK hit.

The information in this thread pretty well puts all those writing poor books on the JFK assassination and misleading the public's information on what plot killed JFK out of business. Those making money from misleading and partial truth story books on the misfortune of a Dead President are just as bad as the plotters themselves.

The Birchers plot Succeeded in killing JFK and getting away with it, but threw the US more deeply into Fascist control that is exploiting the US into near destruction today.

I learned of this association on Nov. 22, 1963 from connections within the Oak Ridge Y-12 Nuclear Weapons Plant that had connections with this group in Dallas. The Oak Ridge hate for JFK was greater than that for Dallas. Oak Ridge was involved with the CIA and the LHO hit on Castro with Cancer method, and the last thing Oak Ridge wanted was Peace with Communist Russia and Cuba.


In the 60s this JBS link to the JFK assassination was highly covered up, but once everyone realizes the culprits were known about the very day it happened, then one can easily find the cover up pattern today and tons of information on the Internet that supports the JBS "Ring Leader" associations and basically solve the JFK assassination in short order. Solving the JFK assassination isn't difficult, if one follows that association.




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Robert Welch in 1958 predicting Insiders plans to destroy America



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4&feature=related



Did JFK pay close attention?

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http://www.spartacus...k/JFKwelchR.htm

In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNarmara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair.


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Robert W. Welch died on 6th January, 1965

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Why does government have to be 100% Capitalism or 100% Communist or 100% Socialism. As far as the Communists go I don't endorse them and I don't want them in my country. But maybe some kind of blend of Capitalism and Socialism. There are always going to be unfortunates in the world, handicapped people, schizophrenics who live on the street. We can't kill these people as Hitler would, but we can help them with various programs. Why don't we realize this and help these people -- not illegal immigrants -- but the true people of America? And bring back our soldiers from overseas. And spend our money on America. America should come first. People seem to forget we have a Constitution.

Kathy C

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    The JFK assassination was more than just a domestic plot, it had Foreign Elements in the Murder.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:45 PM

Why does government have to be 100% Capitalism or 100% Communist or 100% Socialism. As far as the Communists go I don't endorse them and I don't want them in my country. But maybe some kind of blend of Capitalism and Socialism. There are always going to be unfortunates in the world, handicapped people, schizophrenics who live on the street. We can't kill these people as Hitler would, but we can help them with various programs. Why don't we realize this and help these people -- not illegal immigrants -- but the true people of America? And bring back our soldiers from overseas. And spend our money on America. America should come first. People seem to forget we have a Constitution.

Kathy C


Hello Ms. Kathy,

I think your insights are on target for a well run and not exploited American People, where the Govt. isn't high jacked from the Jeffersonian and Constitutional Values everyone wanted. The US fought their war of Independence because they didn't want to be a Colony and exploited by England's Royalist Power. But due to the corruption of Capitalism, the US is again under the exploitation of the London Bankers, the Masons that are loyal to London (like Ben Frankin), and the US is exploited to the point of near economic slavery to promote these wars for power and control over the world for these overbearing International Crooks. Some claim they are benovolent, but they seem to well miss that mark as they seem to fit the issues for the Beast of Revelations.

Communism is the extreme left form of Socialism, and seems to come to that extreme when the capitalists attempt to subvert Socialism. Communism typically bans religion so that can't be used to promote many of the games for capitalism that were instilled in religion since the times of Rome, King James, and so forth to sanitize the issue that the Essene and Jesus folks were Socialistic. Communism makes all things the property of the state, so you can't have greedy capitalists trying to amass great wealth and power to take over the Govt. Communism tends to be one ditch, and extreme right capitalism the other ditch, and the game is to steer Govt. by and for the People down the middle of the road.

There are things that work better under socilistic control and other things that work better under limited capitalist methods. And really, there needs to be some dynamic regulation of either method's uses to keep matters going down the center of the road and not in the ditch of extreme fascist capitalism oligarchic controls, and away from the other ditch of Communism. It takes an educated public to understand this middle of the road approach to have a rising tide lift all boats, as JFK would say. IF extreme right capitalism is held in check, there would likely be no need for the other extreme called Communism. Middle of the road streering comes from an educated America that understands the need to beat back fascism in wealth, and not become the pawns of the extreme right capitalist wealth as the JBS became.

Good Govt. is a blend of things that work well with moderate capitalism and socilaism. Limited capitalism, where small businesses make tons of jobs and keep people working are good for America. However, massive conglomerates, on the model of IG Farbin that Rockefeller taight Germany, that have so much wealth that they buy the Congress, get them elected or unelected is not good for America.

Capitalism to the extent of a Private Greedy Banker Federal Reserve is not good for America, and plots wars, extracts usury, and needs to be eliminated so that proper Federal Banking is run by the Govt., so there does not exist usury and if it does slightly, all the profits returned to the People's better use. No shares of the Peoples money needs to be diverted toward the Private International Bankers purpose or use, and if that happened, declair it as war on America, and those so involved need to be nuked.

Social Security is a necessary thing, and the crooks of the capitalistic controlled House and Congress need to be tossed out of Govt. permanently and their pensions cancelled for not seeing to it that SS was well run and not gutted by their reckless rackets in Govt. malfeasance.

The US has not been served by the Mega-Wealth types that conspired as the JBS did to control the Govt., further the control of Foreign Policy for the Rockefeller CIAA, etc.

While the US has some rules over monopoly, these do not extend to International issues, as the US is controlled in big banking via International Bankers and their huge Industry Conglomerate held wealth, and that is the root of today's problems in the US and really the world. It is going to have to become an International Effort to break up these groups that seek to overpower Govts., make continual wars, and exploit everything for their greater power and control. That might be the ultimate message for Revelations, as this massive problem will bring back the messeage of the Essene to be good stewards of the planet, make sure everyone is well and cared for, and their system was a socialistic design.

Perhaps that is the extreme right capitalists biggest fear, as the truth will be told as the world continues to fall apart under the wrong system of values. Their system of values has been one to undermine the truth, but the truth will always bubble up to the top and even if it takes a great war--the target needs to be those that really caused it--those that managed by deceit and treachery. One of the old indicators is when all around you is lies, you have reached the definition for Hell. So, enought of the lies, enough of the exploiters, time for truths, time for nukes not aimed at the People but those that exploited and corrupted even religion for their satanic goal.

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Edited by Jim Phelps, 20 September 2011 - 04:36 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2011 - 04:27 AM

Looks like the thread is zooming past 5,000 views and the rate better than a hundred a day.

It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.

OK, We have looked at one of the main Bircher "Mouthpieces", Revilo Oliver. Now, lets take a look at the NAZI supporting Texas Billionair "Billionaire Money Bags" for the Birchers, HL Hunt. Hunt appears one of the NAZI types that likes to bring in the Jewish types for the JFK hit and LHO hit. Yeah, LHO was a Bircher hit too, an informant on the dirty out of control Bircher gang intent on killing JFK.

Hunt would be using Ruby to knock off LHO and also using Nagy's big International hit squad, PERMINDEX run by Bloomfield, to kill JFK. Dallas based Nagy's PERMINDEX services were for sale to the CIA, as well as to these Hunt and Rockefeller CIAA and Intelligence efforts. Knowledge of this led to Joseph Milteer's bragging openly on the JFK hit before it happened and fingering the "Big Jew" as being responsible.

"Mega-Bircher" HL Hunt and his oil billions link up to Rockefellers of Standard Oil that set up the JBS and lots of the other big US oil types, many of whom are Birchers also. That aligns well with the Jackie and RFK "Big Oil" theme on who killed John, but they didn't say Birchers. However, Ms. Lincoln was not afraid to point at the Birchers in her list of suspects written on AF1 coming back from Dallas with the Dead President. It was likely her first entry and top suspect, as the ink color was different for the John Birch listing.

One of the better writings to expose the Hunt's billionare games is "Yellow Roses" by David Reitzes and parts of his writing is online these days, at:

http://www.acorn.net...e/03/JA/DR.html

http://www.acorn.net...A/DR/.dr01.html


But, lets check out this page on the topic of the Hunts below. Keep in mind the Hunts put together a large security and intelligence network and also tried some killers on demand from General Walker, also a Bircher. Hunt, Walker, Rousellot are on record for plotting to kill JFK as Birchers.

LHO interestingly appears concerned for his position in Dallas and writes to one of the Hunts. Now why would LHO be asking of his position with the Bircher crowd out of control in Dallas and LHO reporting the Bircher crooks to the FBI.


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A decade after LBJ's death, a friend of Estes, a federal marshal, talked
Estes into coming forward with what he knew about Henry Marshall's death.
Then on August 9, 1984, following Billie Sol Estes' grand jury testimony
regarding Mac Wallace's murder of Henry Marshall, Estes' attorney,
Douglas Caddy sent a letter to Stephen S. Trott, Assistant Attorney
General, Criminal Division, of the US Department of Justice. The letter
reads:


Dear Mr. Trott:

My client, Mr. Estes, has authorized me to make this reply to your letter
of May 29, 1984.

Mr. Estes was a member of a four-member group, headed by Lyndon Johnson,
which committed criminal acts in Texas in the 1960s. The other two,
besides Mr. Estes and LBJ, were [White House aide] Cliff Carter and Mac
Wallace. Mr. Estes is willing to disclose his knowledge concerning the
following criminal offenses:

1. Murders

1. The killing of Henry Marshall 2. The killing of George Krutilek 3. The
killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary 4. The killing of Harold Orr 5.
The killing of Coleman Wade 6. The killing of Josefa Johnson 7. The
killing of John Kinser 8. The killing of President J. F. Kennedy

Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that
he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who
executed the murders. In the cases of murders nos. 1-7, Mr. Estes'
knowledge of the precise details concerning the way the murders were
executed stems from conversations he had shortly after each event with
Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace.

In addition, a short time after Mr. Estes was released from prison in
1971, he met with Cliff Carter and they reminisced about what had
occurred in the past, including the murders. During their conversation,
Carter orally compiled a list of 17 murders which had been committed,
some of which Mr. Estes was unfamiliar [sic]. A living witness was
present at that meeting and should be willing to testify about it. He is
Kyle Brown, recently of Houston and now living in Brady, Texas. . . .


It continues for several more pages, detailing many other crimes Estes
had knowledge of, including illegal cotton allotments and payoffs.

Estes' testimony was conditional on certain demands, including immunity
from prosecution, a full pardon, and absolution of past income tax debts.
Talks between the Justice Department and Billie Sol Estes broke off later
in the year.

On June 19, 1992, US Marshall Clint Peoples told a friend of his that he
had documentary evidence that Mac Wallace was one of the shooters in
Dealey Plaza. On June 23rd, Peoples, a former Texas Ranger and a onetime
friend of Henry Marshall, was killed in a mysterious one-car automobile
accident in Texas.

Investigator Harrison Livingstone spoke to Kyle Brown, named as a witness
in the above letter, at length in 1993, and Brown backed up everything
Livingstone had heard. Kyle Brown, to this day, is one of Billie Sol
Estes' closest friends.

On March 12, 1998, a 1951 fingerprint of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was
positively matched with a copy of a fingerprint labeled "Unknown," a
fresh print lifted on November 22, 1963, from a carton by the southeast
sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. This carton was
labeled "Box A," and also contained several fingerprints identified as
those of Lee Harvey Oswald. The identification was made by A. Nathan
Darby, a Certified Latent Print Examiner with several decades experience.
Mr. Darby is a member of the International Association of Identifiers,
and was chosen to help design the Eastman Kodak Miracode System of
transmitting fingerprints between law enforcement agencies. Mr. Darby
signed a sworn, notarized affidavit stating that he was able to affirm a
14-point match between the "Unknown" fingerprint and the "blind" print
card submitted to him, which was the 1951 print of Mac Wallace's. US law
requires a 12-point match for legal identification; Darby's match is more
conclusive than the legal minimum. As cardboard does not retain
fingerprints for long, it is certain that Malcolm E. Wallace left his
fingerprint on "Box A" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book
Depository early on November 22, 1963.

The FBI currently has custody of the Mac Wallace fingerprint, Nathan
Darby's sworn affidavit, and several hundred pages of corroborative
evidence developed by Texas research group which is currently remaining
anonymous. Brown has received permission from the group to release the
name of one eyewitness to some of the covert business dealings between
Lyndon B. Johnson and members of the assassination plot. This is Barr
McClellan of Houston, Texas, onetime attorney for the law firm led by Ed
Clark, which had represented Lyndon B. Johnson in the 1960s.

Biographer Robert A. Caro, author of two volumes to date in the
groundbreaking series *The Years of Lyndon Johnson* writes:

"Because Lyndon Johnson would have been only sixty-seven years old, when,
in 1975, I began my research on his life, most of his contemporaries were
still alive. This made it possible to find out what he was like while he
was growing up from the best possible sources: those who grew up with
him. And it also makes it possible to clear away . . . the misinformation
that has surrounded the early life of Lyndon Johnson.

"The extent of this misinformation, the reason it exists, and the
importance of clearing it away, so that the character of our thirty-sixth
President will become clear, became evident to me while researching his
years at college. The articles and biographies which have dealt with
these years have in general portrayed Johnson as a popular, even
charismatic, campus figure. The oral histories of his classmates
collected by the Lyndon Johnson library portray him in the same light. In
the early stages of my research, I had no reason to think there was
anything more to the story. Indeed, when one of the first of his
classmates whom I interviewed, Henry Kyle, told me a very different
story, I believed that because Kyle had been defeated by Johnson in a
number of campus encounters, I was hearing only a prejudiced account by
an embittered man, and did not even bother typing up my notes of the
interview.

"Then, however, I began to interview other classmates. . . . When I found
them, I was told the old anecdotes that had become part of the Lyndon
Johnson myth. But over and over again, the man or woman I was
interviewing would tell me that these anecdotes were not the whole story.
When I asked for the rest of it, they wouldn't tell it. A man named
Vernon Whiteside could have told me, they said, but, they said, they had
heard that Vernon Whiteside was dead.

"One day, however, I phoned Horace Richards, a Johnson classmate who
lived in Corpus Christi, to arrange to drive down from Austin to see him.
Richards said that there was indeed a great deal more to the story of
Lyndon Johnson at college than had been told, but that he wouldn't tell
me unless Vernon Whiteside would too. But Whiteside was dead, I said.
"Hell, no," Richards said. "He's not dead. He was here visiting me just
last week.

". . . I traced Mr. Whiteside to a mobile home court in Highland Beach,
Florida . . . flew there to see him, and from him heard for the first
time many of the character-revealing episodes of Lyndon Johnson's years
at San Marcos at which the other classmates had hinted. And when I
returned to these classmates, they confirmed Whiteside's account;
Richards himself added many details. And now they told additional
stories, not at all like the ones they had told before . . . [a]nd the
portrait of Lyndon Johnson at San Marcos that finally emerged was very
different from the one previously sketched.

"The experience was repeated again and again during the seven years spent
on this book. Of the hundreds of persons interviewed, scores had never
been interviewed before, and the information these persons have provided
-- in some cases even though they were quite worried about providing it
-- has helped form a portrait of Lyndon Johnson substantially different
from all previous portraits" (Caro, The Years of Lyndon Johnson: The Path
to Power, 769-70).

This passage demonstrates the power that Lyndon Baines Johnson wielded
over people; even people who hadn't seen him in fifty years; even people
who knew nothing of him but his childhood and teen years -- people who
knew no secrets of state, no political ammunition, little more than
gossip; people who continued to fear him and "his people" even after
Lyndon Baines Johnson, in fact, was dead.

Caro continues:

"Prior to his entrance into campus politics at San Marcos, 'no one,' as
another student recalled, 'cared about campus politics.' Elections -- for
class offices or the Student Council -- were casual affairs. But Johnson
saw in those elections an opportunity to obtain a measure of control,
small but pivotal, over the fate of some of his fellow students. At this
'poor boys' school,' a diploma was for many students the only hope of
escape from a life of poverty and brutal physical toil on their families'
impoverished ranches and farms, and in the Depression, campus jobs, with
their tiny cash stipends, represented the only means by which these young
men could stay in school and obtain their diplomas. Johnson saw a method
by which the victors in campus politics could obtain authority to
dispense those jobs. And to obtain this power that no one else had
focused on, he did what no one else on the sleepy campus had done:
created, out of a small social club, a disciplined and secret political
organization. And when, because of his personal unpopularity, the club
could not, despite his organizing, win elections, he taught
unsophisticated farm boys how to steal elections (and how to win them by
other methods: 'blackmailing' a popular rival woman candidate out of a
race over a meaningless indiscretion, for example; 'things we would never
have dreamt of if it hadn't been for Lyndon'). College Hill's pattern was
repeated on Capitol Hill in 1933 and 1934. The 'Little Congress' of
congressional aides was a social organization. But Lyndon Johnson saw in
its presidency a means of entree to men of power. Again there were
repeated complaints, this time from fellow Little Congress members, that
he had 'stolen' elections ('Everyone said it: "In that last election that
damn Lyndon Johnson stole some votes again"'). When, in 1933 and 1934,
Johnson was accused of 'stuffing' a ballot box, he was not yet
represented by Abe Fortas, and his accusers succeeded in accomplishing
what Fortas prevented Johnson's 1948 accusers from accomplishing: opening
the ballot box. When the Little Congress box was opened, it was found
that the accusations against Johnson were true. Again, as at college,
what he had done was unprecedented: no one had ever stuffed a Little
Congress ballot box before. (And, perhaps no one would ever stuff one
again, for after his departure the organization quickly reverted to its
easygoing social role; 'My God, who would cheat to win the presidency of
something like the Little Congress?') In his first campaign for the
Senate, he stole thousands of votes, and when they proved insufficient
('He ['Pappy' O'Daniel] stole more votes than we did, that's all'), his
reaction was to try to steal still more, and his failure in this attempt
was due only to [an] irredeemable tactical error, not to any change in
the pattern . . . At each previous stage of his career, then, Johnson's
election tactics had made clear not only a hunger for power but a
willingness to take (within the context of American politics, of course;
the coups and assassinations that characterize other countries' politics
were not and never would be included in his calculations) whatever
political steps would be necessary to satisfy that hunger. Over and over
again, he had stretched the rules of the game to their breaking point,
and then had broken them, pushing deeper into the ethical and legal
no-man's-land beyond them than others were willing to go. Now, in 1948 .
. . he was operating beyond the loosest boundaries of prevailing custom
and political morality. What had been demonstrated before was now
underlined in the strongest terms: in the context of the politics that
was his life, Lyndon Johnson would do whatever was necessary to win. Even
in terms of the most elastic political morality -- the political morality
of 1940s Texas -- his methods were amoral" (Robert A. Caro, *The Years of
Lyndon Johnson: Means of Ascent,* 397-98).

Lyndon Johnson could not have acted without the assistance of his best
friend, the most powerful law enforcement agent in the world, J. Edgar
Hoover, Director of the FBI. An operation such as this could not be run
without enormous cash reserves, businesses in which to launder funds and
transmit orders, to set up trusts for beneficiaries at a later date; the
kind of money that H. L. Hunt had; the kind of money that Clint Murchison
had. In 1963, oilman H. L. Hunt was literally one of the richest men in
world, estimated to be worth five billion dollars.

H. L. Hunt had the kind of money that could buy trucks, jeeps, guns, and
explosives for the Minutemen and the John Birch Society; could fund a
radio station making daily broadcasts interpreting the day's news in
light of the terrible "Communist threat" in the inner corridors of
Washington; could build munitions plants and helicopter factories just in
case a war should suddenly erupt; could keep active men with valuable
connections such as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Jack Ruby on the payroll.

Hunt and his sons had a private intelligence agency up and running to
combat the Communist threat, having hired intelligence agents away from
their government positions to charge for their loyalties by the hour.
Their man in charge was Paul Rothermel, an ex-FBI agent presiding over a
host of ex-FBI agents, and ex-CIA assets could also be counted on to keep
their mouths shut. Hunt's top aide for many years, John Curington,
eventually left the organization, fed up playing cops and robbers without
a badge.

He told Harrison Livingstone that not only was Lamar Hunt chatting with
Ruby on November 21st, but shortly after Oswald's arrest, H. L. himself
requested that Curington personally take a stroll over to DPD
headquarters to see how tight security was around the suspect. He added
that Curington should make a point to check out the elevators they were
using to transport the prisoner. Curington strode into the building, rang
for the elevator, and when the doors opened he found himself face to face
with Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald's police escort introduced the two men
(Livingstone, *Killing the Truth,* 502). His employer was pleased to
learn that security around the prisoner was rather lax.

Curington saw Marina Oswald depart from a private meeting with H. L. Hunt
one evening in December 1963. "Hunt asked me to lock everything up and
prevent anyone from coming upstairs on the elevator. As I waited, an
elevator came down and Marina Oswald came out of it, left the building,
and got into a waiting car. I'm absolutely sure it was her" (Livingstone,
501). Marina first denied the story, but has conceded that she met with
many people she didn't know after the assassination.

Eventually, the Hunt "security" agency became so intricate that the
billionaire's billionaire son, Nelson Bunker Hunt, would feel the need to
institute his own counterintelligence program to weed out intruders and
turncoats; it would cost him. Paul Rothermel, the former G-man, went
public with incredible charges against the younger Hunt, whom, Rothermel
charged, asked him to help start a private army to be called the American
Volunteer Group (AVG), drawn from the ranks of General Edwin A. Walker's
John Bircher brigade. Hunt's goal was a top-secret paramilitary based in
southern California that could be called upon to act when Communists and
liberals got too pushy. Like father, like son; just before November 22,
1963, H. L. Hunt told a gathering of compatriots that the only way to get
Communists like the Kennedy brothers out of office is to "shoot 'em out."

When Rothermel refused to participate, he found himself spied upon and
his phone tapped. Nelson Bunker Hunt would eventually plead guilty "to a
misdemeanor stemming from a massive wiretapping conspiracy in which he'd
hired a Houston detective agency to eavesdrop upon his own security
force, a force composed largely of former FBI agents" (Jim Hougan,
*Spooks,* 74-75). Hunt denied the AVG charge, however, journalist Peter
Noyes confirmed that the AVG was up and running for at least a brief
period of time. His sources were a number of active California Minutemen,
a group which had been tapped by the Hunts for recruits, but who found
the Hunts a bit extreme even for their taste (Hougan, 75).

H. L. Hunt once wrote a novel called Alpaca, about a utopian democracy
that based citizenship rights on property ownership and educational
qualifications. (Hunt dropped out of school in the sixth grade.)
Elections in this best of all possible worlds were determined by the
amount of taxes one paid; the more you pay, the more votes you get.

A source requesting anonymity told Harry Livingstone, "H. L. had every
lawyer in Dallas doing something for him. He'd give them all a little
piece of the pie, and nobody could find a lawyer big enough to stand up
to him." Madeleine Brown - Lyndon B. Johnson's longtime mistress and
mother of his illegitimate son Steven, as well as a personal friend of
the Hunts for a number of years -- said, "If they didn't play his game,
they went in and took it. They pulled no punches. The had no morals. They
had no rules. It was strictly power. They were absolutely ruthless"
(Livingstone, 496-7). Madeleine has come to regret merely standing by and
watching.

John Curington told Livingstone that H. L. Hunt had a personal line to
Lyndon Johnson through their mutual friend Boothe Mooney (Livingstone,
500).

If Hunt and LBJ were birds of a feather, Johnson also flocked around his
close friend J. Edgar Hoover's generous benefactors, the family of oil
baron Clint Murchison. Murchison is now well known to have hosted the FBI
director for any number of paid vacations both to his home and private
race track as well as other glamorous jaunts, often hobnobbing with the
gangsters the FBI would presumably be prosecuting were they not devoting
all their manpower to fighting the Red Menace. Hoover had been arguably
the most powerful man in Washington for some decades, and it was common
knowledge that JFK was going to put him out to pasture following the 1964
election, just as Kennedy was going to do to Lyndon.

Lyndon's scandalous wheeling and dealing with Bobby Baker from his Senate
days were catching up with him even faster than the Billie Sol Estes
affair, and it would bring the whole Democratic party down with it if the
key players weren't thrown overboard. Estes and to a lesser degree
Johnson were the primary benefactors of their doings, while everyone on
Capitol Hill knew Bobby Baker, and every lawyer, lobbyist, and lawmaker
wanted a piece of the action -- and Bobby was LBJ's boy. The dealings had
been too many to keep quiet with a quick "Texas suicide." LBJ wasn't just
looking at the end of his political career; he was looking at hard time.

Within 24 hours of the assassination, Lyndon Johnson called Captain Will
Fritz, chief of the Homicide Bureau of the DPD, and personally informed
him he had his man in custody and the investigation was over. Johnson
aide Cliff Carter phoned the same message to Texas DA Waggoner Carr, who
was none too pleased to receive it. When Lee Harvey Oswald lay dying in
Parkland Hospital on November 24, 1963, Dr. Charles Crenshaw was
astonished to pick up a phone call and find himself talking to the
President of the United States, who said he wanted a confession from
Oswald; he didn't get it. Johnson created the Warren Commission, which
answered only to him, thereby preempting the numerous proposed
investigations in Texas and on Capitol Hill. Then Johnson locked up as
much of the evidence as he could, all with the help of J. Edgar Hoover,
who buried or destroyed any evidence that threatened to upset the apple
cart; the Hunts and Murchisons and their enormous cash and influence, and
certain rogue elements of the intelligence community who resented Kennedy
for both his foreign policy and his attempts to curb the CIA's massive
and wholly unconstitutional power.

The intelligence community has long hidden in the shadows of the
assassination, between the more obvious suspects as well as the "false
sponsors" they intentionally drew into the operation to shield themselves
-- Castro, the anti-Castro Cubans, the Mob. That was their most important
contribution; though they routinely interfaced with the Texans and
undoubtedly played a role in the events of Dealey Plaza, their most
valuable asset was the one which was needed most: the unfathomed
capability of certain of their ranks to confuse and deceive. More than
getaway planes and unmarked cars, the plotters needed smoke and mirrors
to blind and mislead, to confuse and disorient. They had planned for such
a need; they had masters of propaganda at key points, allies in the
press, and for their greatest trick, a certain "Harvey" rabbit to produce
from a hat and then make disappear on cue.

It may be pure conjecture, but given Hunt's organizational ties and
unholy alliances, his personal spies and private law, one wonders if it
doesn't strain credulity to the breaking point to think there wasn't
someone else we know to have been in Dallas who couldn't have somehow
stumbled into this snakepit; someone who Hunt's chief staff assistant
John Curington admitted he "had run across . . . before the
assassination" (Dick Russell, "The Man Who Knew Too Much,* 317). It was
John Curington who turned over a previously unknown slip of paper to the
FBI, a brief note the handwriting of which has been authenticated by
numerous independent handwriting analysts. The only part of the note
disputed is the signature, which appears to be misspelled. But the
purported author was not immune to misspelling his own name, even on a
very deliberately executed, typewritten document (CE 908, 18 H 97); see
Reitzes, "Alik and Marina."




Nov. 8, 1963

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding [sic] my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the
matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.
Thank You,
Lee Harvy [sic]
Oswald*

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 05:02 PM

It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.



Ummmm? NO! Inquiring minds want to know, but I think your still way off on the Birchers, Mormons, Hitler, DuPont's, Jews, Afghans or anyone else your going to conjure up. Seriously Mr. Philhps! UGH!!!!!



Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding [sic] my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the
matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.
Thank You,
Lee Harvy [sic]
Oswald*




This letter is still under investigation as to whether its a hoax or not. Some beleive that this letter was not written by LHO.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 05:03 PM

And BTW (YOU) now have your 5,000 views!!!

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 06:04 PM

It appears that collecting all the Bircher issues into one thread area is forming an overwhelming case for the Birchers being the Ring Leaders on the JFK hit.



Ummmm? NO! Inquiring minds want to know, but I think your still way off on the Birchers, Mormons, Hitler, DuPont's, Jews, Afghans or anyone else your going to conjure up. Seriously Mr. Philhps! UGH!!!!!



Dear Mr. Hunt,

I would like information concerding [sic] my position.

I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the
matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else.
Thank You,
Lee Harvy [sic]
Oswald*




This letter is still under investigation as to whether its a hoax or not. Some beleive that this letter was not written by LHO.


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That is 5,028 views now. You have misleading and inaccurate assertions with the DuPonts, Afghans, and such----those are your attempts to mislead and invent that which is not. Even the Mormons left the Birchers, as they became so extreme right and not representative of Constitutional Values.

Seriously, most don't buy your story and the best you have is a little book of names.

There is lots to support the Dallas Birchers, while your theme has nill support. Garrison and the Kennedys themselves support this them on the Birchers (Loaded with Big Oil Types) and even Ms. Lincoln's belief.

I do think your theme is about as distracting as the James Files story from the ponographer in Mossad Office Land. IMHO

I listened, watched, and still not impressed with your little black book.

You can't spell well, can't turn up data for your case, and I doubt there will come a book of substance. You are speculating for your theme way out on the thinnest of air.

The JFK Assassination was just solved before your very eyes. And the extended little black book theme disintegrated before your eyes.

So, keep acting disgruntled that nobody is impressed with your research efforts or your theme.


You just got put on Blocked from this end. Go play with your only EF fan, who doesn't support you either, making reference to "Phony" plots.

I won't be looking at your stuff any longer, zero support from this end, and will be seeking distancing.

Edited by Jim Phelps, 20 September 2011 - 07:01 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:39 PM

Seriously, most don't buy your story and the best you have is a little book of names.




Key word MOST, are these the people who are being mislead by your accusations? And, what is my story?

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:55 PM

You can't spell well



So because you are a professor of spelling I guess that is what makes your case right?



can't turn up data for your case, and I doubt there will come a book of substance. You are speculating for your theme way out on the thinnest of air.




I don't base my material on hearsay, theory or because Abraham Lincoln and his wife said so.



The JFK Assassination was just solved before your very eyes. And the extended little black book theme disintegrated before your eyes.




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