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#16 Robert Howard

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:10 PM

Well, one likes a friend who has friends...lol
What makes the whole Neville business such a farce on the part of the investigators
was that [the note on Western Union stationery], no-one seems to have a clue [hard to swallow] and it is full of ambiguities and raises many more questions than it answers at least in my mind.
Apparently, there is now much more to the document than what was initially discovered, it has grown significantly!
I don't believe it would be too hard to ascertain the identities of the two right wing Oklahoma individuals, that is
if they were in Oklahoma in November 1963. I seem to recall some Lee Oswald in Oklahoma documents......


Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/Oswald 201 File (201-289248)/Oswald 201 File, Vol 57/
NARA Record Number: 1993.06.24.16:03:26:460800
FBI SOURCE REPORT RE WESTERN UNION CABLE SIGNED L.H.OSWALD
https://www.maryferr...do?docId=112135
page 4
On April 5, 1973, a confidential source, who is a professional man, and is in a position to know, furnished a document which is described as follows:
A 4x5 inch piece of paper bearing a yellow letterhead with Western Union International Communications Cablegram imprinted thereon with the following message to one Jack
Nellville dated September 20, 1963, via Western Union Cables at Tulsa, Oklahoma.
“Meet me at Sheritan Hotel in Dallas at 4 on 9/21 PM room 567 stop expecting something big stop dash be on time dash signed L. H. Oswald.”
ADDRESSEE OF MESSAGE FROM LEE HARVEY OSWALD
Source advised he discovered this document while unloading a 14-volume set of medical books from his pick-up truck struck. Source was not certain whether this document had fallen from these particular books or had fallen into the truck from other books which he had recently collected. Source stated he had been collecting veterinary books
for the past several months in order to establish a veterinary library in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and that these books had all been contributed to him by various veterinarians in the Tulsa, Oklahoma, area. Source also advised he had previously recieved books from [ ] and [ ] both practicing veterinarians. [ ]
Tulsa, Oklahoma. Source advised that both [ ] [ ] are known to be “right-wingers” and at the local veterinary meetings these two individuals had requested to bring in speakers who would talk about Communism, law and order, and other topics completely unrelated to the veterinarian field.
Source stated they no longer attend the local veterinary meetings.
On April 5, 1973, Harold Anderson, Manager, Western Union, 15th W. 5th Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma, was shown the Western Union document without revealing its contents,
and he advised that this document appeared to him to be a Western Union memo form. Anderson stated he has been in the Western Union organization in Tulsa for 11 years, and this form became obsolete sometime during 1964 and it appears it had never been sent, or if it had been sent it may have been phoned into his office since it does not bear the Western Union stamp number or time sent. Anderson further advised that these forms may have at one time been given out for promotional purposes and also given to large companies who had extensive dealings with Western Union.
An official at Western Union, Minneapolis, Minnesota, advised on April 12, 1973 that Western Union is the central nationwide repository for Western Union money order records only. He further advised Western Union messages are not filed at any central location, but are maintained at the originating office for a period of 6 months to one year.
On April 13, 1973, John Fedak, Assistant Controller, advised the Sheraton Hotel was in existence in Dallas, Texas during 1963. He further advised registration cards from
the hotel are maintained for about 6 years. He stated there would be no registration cards from the Sheraton Hotel going back to September, 1963, and there were no
hotel records that would establish who occupied Room 567 on September 21, 1963.
A summary of residences, schools and employments for subject maintained at FBI Headquarters and the Dallas Division of the FBI, reflects information from Mrs. Ruth Paine, Irving, Texas, with whom Marina Oswald, wife of subject, was residing at the time of the assassination, who stated she drove Marina Oswald to New Orleans, Louisiana
on May 10-11, 1963 to be with subject and she returned from New Orleans with Marina Oswald on September 23, 1963.
Information from above file reflects that Mrs. Jesse James Garner, 4911 Magazine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, had substantiated that subject Lee Harvey Oswald
resided at 4905 Magazine Street from May 9, 1963 through September 23, 1963. It is also reflected that Subject file claim with the New Orleans Division of Employment
Security on both September 17, 1963 and September 24, 1963 in person.
The above file reflects that Lee Harvey Oswald was in New Orleans on September 21, 1963 but does not specifically indicate he was in that city on September 21, 1963.

LEE HARVEY OSWALD
FBI Laboratory letter dated May 4, 1973, indicates typewriting on above noted telegram most closely resembles a Remington pica style of type used on a Cadet portable machine model 4 B. This style of type dates back to 1938. The age of this document could not be determined. FBI Laboratory letter dated May 8, 1973, noted no latent prints of value developed on submitted specimens.
May 18 1973 John M Adams Assistant Manager Washington District Office of Western Union Telegram Company (WUTC) 1405 G Street Northwest, Washington, D. C., advised that while above document could conceivably serve as a rough draft for a subsequent telegram and/or cablegram it, basically is a sheet from a Western Union International Communications type note pad then, (1963) readily available at hotels, Western Union offices, etc. But only up until, about October 23,1963, when Western Union Telegram Company was legally required to discontinue all cablegram operations, Western Union International, Inc., (WUI) came to be established as a separate company. Mr. Adams noted originating offices are required to hold file copies only to 7 months, or if charged thereafter, until paid.
On May 21, 1973, Mr. Henry G. Catucci, Vice-President for WUI Washington Operations, 2100 M Street, Northwest, Washington D,C. stated he was of the opinion such memo pads were generally available and questioned item could have been tendered as the actual text for a telegram and/or cablegram. He was of the opinion that the item in question, most likely, was simply a personal message typed for some unapparent reason and possibly passed along by some other means, rather than an actual WUTC telegram or cablegram.
On June 5, 1973, A Special Agent for the FBI contacted the following agencies regarding [ ] Jack NELLVILLE, [ ] with negative results
Pat Malloy, Records, Tulsa Police Department
Retta Cook, Records, Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office
Debra Williams, Records, Tulsa Credit Union
END

Robert: Then there is this little gem, from eight years earlier.

Home/Archive/Documents/JFK Assassination Documents/JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/Oswald 201 File (201-289248)/Oswald 201 File, Vol 53/
NARA Record Number: 1993.06.19.10:33:55:870000
WESTERN UNION SENDING BLANK FOUND IN ROOM 661, PLAZA HOTEL, NEW YORK C
https://www.maryferr....do?docId=97073
Mr. [Harold] Petersen advised he is an engineer with International Business Machine [IBM] and is in New York City attending an IBM award dinner [April 19, 1965]
https://www.maryferr...073&relPageId=4


IBM and the assassination yet again!

Edited by Robert Howard, 21 March 2012 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:07 AM

For those of you unfamiliar with this aspect of the case you'll be interested to know that C. A. Hamblen backed off his "spit image" identification of Oswald during his Warren Commission testimony. He suddenly became unsure and could not be certain one way or another.


What a pity for all the Oswald accusers on this forum.

Like the DPD, the Warren Commission, Jim GARRISON, etc, et al,
their accusations against Lee Oswald don't amount
to a warm bucket of spit.

Edited by J. Raymond Carroll, 23 March 2012 - 02:10 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:39 PM

On June 5, 1973, A Special Agent for the FBI contacted the following agencies regarding [ ] Jack NELLVILLE, [ ] with negative results
Pat Malloy, Records, Tulsa Police Department
Retta Cook, Records, Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office
Debra Williams, Records, Tulsa Credit Union
END


Robert, my attention is drawn to Jack L Neville, Sr., born 1898, aka "Flying Parson of the Panhandle Church of the Air", a 1930's Tulsa radio personality who also preached at tent revivals in Amarillo in the 40's, among other places. More likely is his son, Jack, Jr., who died in Rancho Cucamonga, CA in
2005. His son, Larry still is a church pastor there. http://larryneville.com click on "about" upper right.

ABOUT US - Praise Chapel International
http://www.praisecha...PCI/?page_id=21
Praise Chapel began with one church in Maywood, California in 1976, when Pastors Mike and Donna Neville moved to the Los Angeles area from Tulsa,...

http://en.wikipedia....tian_Fellowship

....After Michael Neville
....His widow Donna Neville became the pastor of the church now located in Huntington Park, California. http://www.praisechapelhp.org/

Larry Neville became the senior leader of the movement. Larry pioneered churches in the US, the Philippines and Singapore before returning to pastor in Rancho Cucamonga, California in 1993. Under his leadership the movement has grown around the world. The Fellowship of Churches has multiplied into a network of over 18 Fellowships in the USA and many more Internationally. Larry has written a number on Church Planting and how to structure a Global Movement.....
http://www.praisecha...com/PCI/?p=1014
June 19, 2011 By Larry

....I was blessed to have a very good dad. He had his priorities right as far as I am concerned. He raised my brother and I to live and serve the Lord. Money did not interest my dad. He was always content to have enough to live. Ministry was what his life was about. He was determined that his sons would follow in those steps....

http://www.praisecha...e/LN/ABOUT.html

Men who have impacted my life:

1.My Dad, Jack L. Neville ...


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/HNTP-RZM
Name: Jack Neville Event:
Census Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Amarillo, Potter, Texas Gender:
Male Age: 6
Race: White Birthplace:
Oklahoma Estimated Birth Year: 1924

Household GenderAge
Parent Jack L Neville M 32
Parent Alma Neville F 25
Mary Neville F 9
Jack Neville M 6
Fredde Neville F 4


DUFLOT, JOSEPH LEO | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas ...
http://www.tshaonlin.../articles/fdu49
From there Duflot's teachings eventually reached the ears of Jack L. Neville, a fundamentalist preacher whose show was known locally as the "Flying Parson of the Panhandle Church of the Air."

Page 3, Fayetteville Daily Democrat, December 15, 1934 ...
newspaperarchive.com/fayetteville-daily-democrat/1934-12.../page-3
... Jack L Neville of Tulsa Radio begins series of services at Gospel Tabernacle p.m Methodist morning service over KUOA Judge Rutherford over .


NewspaperARCHIVE.com - Avalanche-Journal - 1942-03-22 ...
www.newspaperarchive.com/SiteMap/FreePdfPreview.aspx?img...
... church and has there Rev Jack L Neville Baptist minister of Tulsa will continue to fill the pulpit at thu Four square church Eighth street and Avenue Q daily at 10 .

https://www.google.c...iw=1440&bih=717
NewspaperARCHIVE.com - Avalanche-Journal - 1942-05-31

Forceful messages are livered by Rev Jack L Neville at the
tent revival Tenth street and Avenue R it is reported by Rev i Floyd Dawson pastor of the Four I Square Gospel church


Page 6, Northwest Arkansas Times, April 27, 1963 ...
newspaperarchive.com/northwest-arkansas-times/1963-04.../page-6
... day service at First Church of Christ Scientist TENT REVIVAL Devil Chasing ... JACK L NEVILLE on fire for God with hot soul-stirring ing messages Attend at .

Page 2, Northwest Arkansas Times, August 2, 1963 ...
newspaperarchive.com/northwest-arkansas-times/1963-08.../page-2
... ROOM TABLE SERVICE AVAILABLE JO am to 12 Midnight Dally NOW TENT REVIVAL WITH JACK L NEVILLE Dynamic Sold Out to God STARTING FRIDAY


First Name: Jack Middle Name: L Last Name: Neville Name Suffix: Birth Date: 10 August 1923 Social Security Number: 479-XX-XXXX Place of Issuance: Iowa Last Residence: San bernardino, California Zip Code of Last Residence: 91729 Death Date: 12 May 2005 Estimated Age at Death: 82

http://gravelocator..../servlet/NGL_v1

NEVILLE, JACK L Jr TEC 4 US ARMY WORLD WAR II DATE OF BIRTH: 08/10/1923 DATE OF DEATH: 05/12/2005 BURIED AT: BELLEVUE MEMORIAL PARK 1240 WEST G STREET ONTARIO, CA 91762


Edited by Tom Scully, 24 March 2012 - 02:17 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:15 AM

RE: Jack Neville of Tulsa. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

http://www.praisechapel.com/jlneville/LN/ABOUT.html

Larry Neville

....Where we have lived

Pomona, California

Kansas City, Missouri

Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Tulsa, Oklahoma

Phoenix, Arizona

Prescott, Arizona

Lancaster, Pennsylvania

Manila, Philippines

Tempe, Arizona

Singapore

Rancho Cucamonga, California


Men who have impacted my life:

1.My Dad, Jack L. Neville

2.Pastor Wayman Mitchell


3.Dr. John Holland


Document
http://z1.przeklej.p...15189/go-ye-pdf

....Following Heroux into Phoenix was a man named Larry Neville. His journey into the fellowship illustrates the flexibility needed to stay open to God's plan. Though not yet 30, Neville was an evangelist for more than a decade. With his brother, Mike, he started an independent evangelistic association when he was only 18.
It ran in the family. Their father, Jack Neville, is an evangelist, frequently heard in the fellowship. With his brother and later alone, Neville ran the gamut from tents o backwoods churches to large conventions and, finally, to India for mass crusades. Despite success, the year 1976 brought much change for Neville as God began to alter his ministry.....

slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse : Message: Re: Fwd: Potter's ...
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Jack Neville was Larry and Mike's father, who at one time had been a ... I do know that Larry Neville, was together with Wayman Mitchell for .....

Christian Fellowship founder answers to no one
http://www.rickross....oor/door21.html
Dec 10, 1995 The Christian Fellowship movement was started by Wayman Mitchell, who began his preaching career as a pastor for the International Church .....

Blind Faith 1 - News Investigation of Cults & Toxic Faith ie Wayman Mitchell CFMPotters House The Door This is part 1 of a 3 part series from a ...



http://news.google.c... mitchell&hl=en
North Slope Trial: Witness Tells Of 'shakedown .

Anchorage Daily News - Mar 21, 1989
Hughes directed him to fly from Fairbanks to Anchorage for a late afternoon ... The night he left, a church member called Paron to tell her that Aaron was with him. ... According to Rick Ross, ex-church members across the US have told him ... The organization was founded in about 1970 by a man named Wayman Mitchell. ....

http://www.nytimes.c...rom-a-cult.html
Review/Television; Trying to Pry a Youth Away From a Cult
By WALTER GOODMAN
Published: June 01, 1989

Tonight's edition of ''48 Hours,'' on Channel 2 at 8 P.M., offers a close-up of the ''deprogramming'' of a 14-year-old who, his mother believes, has been brainwashed by a religious cult. ''I want my son back,'' she pleads. The program's correspondent, Victoria Corderi, accompanied the deprogrammer, Rick Ross, from Arizona to Anchorage to work on young Aaron.

Most of the hour is given to Mr. Ross's efforts to persuade Aaron that the Potter's House, his church or cult, is ''a destructive Bible-based group'' bent on taking control of its members' lives. Using videos of other preachers laying on hands and pocketing cash, Mr. Ross provokes a two-day argument aimed at making the boy question the honesty and intentions of the keepers of the Potter's House. A formidable-looking weightlifter assists Mr. Ross in lugging equipment and keeping Aaron from running out of the apartment.

The hour, produced by Catherine Lasiewicz, has considerable force, as Aaron resists the alliance of his divorced mother, who tearfully repents having originally introduced him into the fundamentalist church, his older brother and the deprogrammer. But it does little to illuminate the group's appeal for Aaron, who has a troubled history of drug use and expulsion from school. The closest it comes is a teacher's comment that he went ''from the high of drugs to the high of God.'' A former member says that Aaron was being groomed to be a preacher, but the boy does not seem to be articulate enough to explain what he found at the Potter's House, much less to preach about it.

The program reaches a bit beyond Aaron's case to a once-over-lightly pro-and-con discussion of the legality and morality of deprogramming. Since church officials refused to be interviewed or to permit the ''48 Hours'' crew to film their services, all we get from inside the Potter's House are fragments of surreptitiously taped devil-bashing sermons and a few comments by apparently happy parishioners.

After two days of deprogramming, Aaron is apparently persuaded that the Potter's House may not be all that he believed and that his mother is not possessed by Satan. Mother and son embrace tearfully. Mr. Ross, who was paid $350 a day and expenses, announces that the crisis is over and goes back to Arizona.

Three weeks later, Ms. Corderi pays another visit to Anchorage, where she is assured by a psychologist that Aaron ''is back in the land of the living now.'' But it is hard to believe that Aaron's troubles are quite over. ''48 Hours'' settles for a dramatic episode from a complicated life.



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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:50 PM

Robert, my attention is drawn to Jack L Neville, Sr., born 1898, aka "Flying Parson of the Panhandle Church of the Air", a 1930's Tulsa radio personality who also preached at tent revivals in Amarillo in the 40's, among other places.


Not for nothing, Tom, but could you please enlighten us on the RELEVANCE
of this stuff to Lee Oswald and Western Union
or even to the JFK asassination.

Edited by J. Raymond Carroll, 24 March 2012 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:08 PM


Robert, my attention is drawn to Jack L Neville, Sr., born 1898, aka "Flying Parson of the Panhandle Church of the Air", a 1930's Tulsa radio personality who also preached at tent revivals in Amarillo in the 40's, among other places.


Not for nothing, Tom, but could you please enlighten us on the RELEVANCE
of this stuff to Lee Oswald and Western Union
or even to the JFK asassination.

Yes, Tom; I see what you are getting at. I think you have a point, to say the least.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:24 PM

Yes, Tom; I see what you are getting at. I think you have a point, to say the least.


Yes Robert, I think I get it also.

The Oswald accusers would like to use a phoney story
about a phoney telegram
to incriminate him
in the assassination.
Q.E.D.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:23 AM


Robert, my attention is drawn to Jack L Neville, Sr., born 1898, aka "Flying Parson of the Panhandle Church of the Air", a 1930's Tulsa radio personality who also preached at tent revivals in Amarillo in the 40's, among other places.


Not for nothing, Tom, but could you please enlighten us on the RELEVANCE
of this stuff to Lee Oswald and Western Union
or even to the JFK asassination.


Well Let's see, it is dated before the assassination, names the person accused of assassinating President Kennedy, provides a room at the hotel in Dallas where the Dallas White House Communications Center was established and gives us the names of a few other persons who we have never heard of before.

No one is accusing Oswald of anything more than being named in this document by others who we know nothing about and should know more.

While Oswald is generally recognized as the pre arranged Patsy, that doesn't make those who implicated him innocent, and every lead should be followed to where ever it goes.

Can anyone tell me what room at the Sheraton the WHCA set up their Communications Post?

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