I don't know, Lee.... I thought there would be more of a concern about politically motivated assassination planned and done by the executive here in a forum about politically motivated assassination, 48 years ago, of the executive, than in most other places.
Why was there so much focus on plots by the U.S. government to assassinate Castro in the aftermath of the JFK assassination?
I hope you will agree that it is unlikely your UK or the Canadian PM would be killing citizens. You've still got courts in your country showing encouraging signs of normalcy, lawfulness. See http://en.wikipedia..../Binyam_Mohamed
I wouldn't expect you would react to the assassinations of the last three weeks in Yemen the way I am reacting to them. My concern is that I do not yet have a sense other Americans in any number even view what is happening as illegal, or wrong.
Have most of my countrymen gone mad? The president of the U.S. has set up and carried out a program of assassination of U.S. citizens located in countries where no U.S. forces are engaged, before these citizens are charged with any crime. I would expect more protest against this. I would expect less support or attempted justification for it.
If you read the early part of this thread, one poster wrote that the topic of this thread is not relevant to the theme of this forum, at least that is what I took his comments to mean. This same poster started a new thread shortly thereafter including no mention of the JFK assassination, or anything in his OP linking it to the theme of the forum.
I think we here in the U.S. are screwed, Lee. Sorry if I seem too shrill.
....And although the Obama administration repeatedly accused Awlaki of having an “operational role” in Terrorist plots, it has — as Davidson put it — “so far kept the evidence for that to itself.”
This is all part and parcel of the Obama administration’s extreme — at times unprecedented — fixation on secrecy. Even with Senators in the President’s own party warning that the administration’s secret interpretation of its domestic surveillance powers under the Patriot Act is so warped and radical that it would shock the public if they knew, Obama officials simply refuse even to release its legal memos setting forth how it is interpreting those powers. As EFF’s Trevor Timm told The Daily Beast today: “The government classified a staggering 77 million documents last year, a 40 percent increase on the year before.” And as I wrote about many times, the Obama administration even tried — and failed — to force The New York Times‘ James Risen to reveal his source for his story about an inept, disastrous CIA effort to infiltrate Iran’s nuclear program, but as Politico‘s Josh Gerstein reports today, the Obama DOJ is now appealing the decision in Risen’s favor. Gerstein writes:
The executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Lucy Dalglish, said the appeal was troubling for First Amendment advocates, but not unexpected.
“I’m not surprised at all,” Dalglish said “The Obama administration has made it absolutely clear they detest leakers and they are going to be very aggressive against leakers.”
Since Obama took office, his administration has initiated five prosecutions of alleged leakers under the Espionage Act — a sum roughly equal to the total number of such prosecutions in all prior administrations combined. . . .
“It’s really looking like they want to put Risen in prison,” [the defendant's lawyer Edward] MacMahon said in a brief interview. . . . “For the journalists in the world, it’s quite a significant First Amendment appeal.”
You can offer the ability to citizens to choose from one of the two parties and elect their leaders as much as you want. But “democracy” is an illusion — a sham — if the most significant acts taken by those leaders are kept concealed from the citizenry. .....
I don't think you are being too shrill, Tom and the part of the question I was interested in hearing your answer to was concerning your expectations on a forum such as this.
I totally see the relevance of the thread in the wider context of the JFK assassination and I totally agree that the concept of "democracy" is an illusion. Keeping Western society bound at the illusory centre point of a false-dichotomy that has Soacialism/Communism on the left and Fascism/National Socialism on the right being the great game of the last century.
But the cracks within the true political system, capitalism and corporatism, are growing deeper and wider. Events in Greece are escalating and the European Union can't print money quick enough to stop the collapse and the cuts that that country is facing will completely demoralise the entire nation for decades. I may be going a little bit Alex Jones here but the erosion of civil liberties and rights that we have seen in this country, and you in yours, over the last 10-15 years are specifically designed to contain what is undoubtedly on the horizon. A mass economic collapse, followed by mass unemployment, followed by mass national strikes, followed by mass riots, followed by mass arrests, followed by martial law. All to protect an idea that has never really worked for anyone other than the interests of handful of people.
It reminds me of the scene in Oliver Stone's Nixon, when after visiting the Lincoln Memorial in the dead of night, Richard Nixon is surrounded by a gang of students:Female Student:
You don't want the war.
We don't want the war.
The Vietnamese don't want the war.
So why does it go on? Bob:
We should be going Mr. President Nixon:
Please. Female Student:
You can't stop it, can you?
Even if you wanted too.
Because it's not you, it's the system.
The system won't let you stop it. Nixon:
There's more at stake here than what you want or what I want. Female Student:
Then what's the point? What's the point of being President? You're powerless! Nixon:
No! No I'm not powerless.
Cos', because I understand the system.
I believe I can, uh, control it maybe, not control it totally, but uh, tame it enough so it can do some good. Female Student:
Sounds like your talking about a wild animal. Nixon:
Maybe I am. Bob:
You really must go, Mr. President, Please.
Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, LBJ - all puppets of the men behind the curtain. In the last 50 years, the only two presidents who concerned themselves with what could potentially happen if this economic situation wasn't addressed, were JFK and Jimmy Carter. One was killed, and the other was turned into a laughing stock.
Douglas Adams hit the nail on the head when he said, "For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much — the wheel, New York, wars and so on — whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man — for precisely the same reasons.
The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish."
Edited by Lee Farley, 21 October 2011 - 03:34 PM.