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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:40 AM

Now the third, extrajudicial execution of a U.S. citizen not under any criminal indictment in a fourteen day period. How many U.S. citizens are required to be executed by a secret committee appointed by the U.S. Decider of the United States, operating in secrecy under secret protocol, before the Decider himself is charged under articles of impeachment, or am I too old-fashioned in my POV?

Is the son of a U.S. citizen who was killed while still a citizen because the State Department lawyers determined there was no legal mechanism to revoke his citizenship because of the nagging little matter of him not being charged with any criminal offense, still considered a U.S. citizen, or must we wait for the Decider to tell us what the new, tyrannical ruling on that question, is?

Nevermind....the son is executed now, too! (Remember back when NPR wasn't simply an outlet regurgitating propaganda, as it is here, in perfect Murdoch like puppetry?

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/15/141376623/officials-al-qaida-media-chief-in-yemen-killed

October 15, 2011

Tribal elders say the son of slain U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki has been killed in a U.S. missile strike along with six other al-Qaida militants, including the media chief of the terror group's Yemeni branch....


How long will it be until NPR describes the OWS volk as "the terror group's Manhattan branch"?

How long will it be before Cass Sunstein is appointed to hire government minders to shut threads and forums such as this one, down?

When will it be the moment to hang together, or choose to explain every new act of tyranny away, while some of us hang apart?

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:53 PM

A new thread was started to inform about a new book by Larry Hancock.

Larry Hancock's new book Nexus: The CIA and Political Assassination is out as a Kindle Edition e-book on Amazon for $9.99:

http://www.amazon.co...19093662&sr=1-2

A 208 page paperback copy is scheduled to be released on November 1, 2011 for $10.08:

http://www.barnesand...ions/1034946253

From the Amazon.com Product Description:
A historical study of how political assassination evolved within the Central Intelligence Agency. How did it start, how was it conducted (how will you recognize it when you see it), who gave the orders, and perhaps most importantly‚ who were the people actually involved in such actions as political assassination and even on a grander scale, “executive action” of senior political leaders during the 1950’s and 1960’s.....

....Everyone should support Larry Hancock's efforts. He's looked into dark corners where no other authors have.

-- Steve

Yeah, Steve...everyone should. If the overall reaction to this thread, especially to my last post, is an indication, Larry and I are in for a long wait. Isn't it all about relevance and priorities? (I read your related post on another thread, David Andrews, thank you for the mention.)

Larry is writing about atrocities with cobwebs on them. Are the four killed on an Ohio campus in 1970, for example, the government sponsored murders we should be actively protesting against today, or should we scream at our president here and now; holding him accountable for breaking his oath to preserve and protect the constitutional rights of all citizens?

Certainly we should be able to digest and to push back against more than one deeply troubling affront to our sensibilities at a time, but will it take Neal Young authoring a contemporary version of his Kent State massacre protest song, "Ohio" to influence most to recognize there is even a crisis, in that for three weeks now our president has been killing his own people?

I think my reaction to the tyrannical "excesses" Obama is responsible for, may be too feeble.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/singleton
Thursday, Oct 20, 2011
The killing of Awlaki’s 16-year-old son
By Glenn Greenwald

(updated below)

Two weeks after the U.S. killed American citizen Anwar Awlaki with a drone strike in Yemen — far from any battlefield and with no due process — it did the same to his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, ending the teenager’s life on Friday along with his 17-year-old cousin and seven other people. News reports, based on government sources, originally claimed that Awlaki’s son was 21 years old and an Al Qaeda fighter (needless to say, as Terrorist often means: “anyone killed by the U.S.”), but a birth certificate published by The Washington Post proved that he was born only 16 years ago in Denver. As The New Yorker‘s Amy Davidson wrote: “Looking at his birth certificate, one wonders what those assertions say either about the the quality of the government’s evidence — or the honesty of its claims — and about our own capacity for self-deception.” ..... There are two points worth making about this:

(1) It is unknown whether the U.S. targeted the teenager or whether he was merely “collateral damage.” The reason that’s unknown is because the Obama administration refuses to tell us. Said the Post: “The officials would not discuss the attack in any detail, including who the target was.” So here we have yet again one of the most consequential acts a government can take — killing one of its own citizens, in this case a teenage boy — and the government refuses even to talk about what it did, why it did it, what its justification is, what evidence it possesses, or what principles it has embraced in general for such actions. Indeed, it refuses even to admit it did this, since it refuses even to admit that it has a drone program at all and that it is engaged in military action in Yemen. It’s just all shrouded in total secrecy.

Of course, the same thing happened with the killing of Awlaki himself. The Executive Branch decided it has the authority to target U.S. citizens for death without due process, but told nobody (until it was leaked) and refuses to identify the principles that guide these decisions. It then concluded in a secret legal memo that Awlaki specifically could be killed, but refuses to disclose what it ruled or in which principles this ruling was grounded. And although the Obama administration repeatedly accused Awlaki of having an “operational role” in Terrorist plots, it has — as Davidson put it — “so far kept the evidence for that to itself.”...

....UPDATE: Those who believe evidence and transparency in such matters are unnecessary because the government under Obama — unlike under Bush — would never issue false claims about such things and can be trusted without accountability should review this and this.



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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:07 PM

Yeah, Steve...everyone should. If the overall reaction to this thread, especially to my last post, is an indication, Larry and I are in for a long wait. Isn't it all about relevance and priorities? (I read your related post on another thread, David Andrews, thank you for the mention.)


Tom,

Quick question. And I hope you take this in the manner in which it's intended. But what are your expectations concerning membership reactions to what you have written? What would be an indicator that you have succeeded in reaching these expectations?

This is, after all, a JFK forum to debate ideas and not strictly a political activist forum. Is this the right venue for you to be receiving the "reaction" you seem to so desperately want?

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:52 PM

I don't know, Lee.... I thought there would be more of a concern about politically motivated assassination planned and done by the executive here in a forum about politically motivated assassination, 48 years ago, of the executive, than in most other places.

Why was there so much focus on plots by the U.S. government to assassinate Castro in the aftermath of the JFK assassination?

I hope you will agree that it is unlikely your UK or the Canadian PM would be killing citizens. You've still got courts in your country showing encouraging signs of normalcy, lawfulness. See http://en.wikipedia..../Binyam_Mohamed

I wouldn't expect you would react to the assassinations of the last three weeks in Yemen the way I am reacting to them. My concern is that I do not yet have a sense other Americans in any number even view what is happening as illegal, or wrong.

Have most of my countrymen gone mad? The president of the U.S. has set up and carried out a program of assassination of U.S. citizens located in countries where no U.S. forces are engaged, before these citizens are charged with any crime. I would expect more protest against this. I would expect less support or attempted justification for it.

If you read the early part of this thread, one poster wrote that the topic of this thread is not relevant to the theme of this forum, at least that is what I took his comments to mean. This same poster started a new thread shortly thereafter including no mention of the JFK assassination, or anything in his OP linking it to the theme of the forum.

I think we here in the U.S. are screwed, Lee. Sorry if I seem too shrill.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/singleton

....And although the Obama administration repeatedly accused Awlaki of having an “operational role” in Terrorist plots, it has — as Davidson put it — “so far kept the evidence for that to itself.”

This is all part and parcel of the Obama administration’s extreme — at times unprecedentedfixation on secrecy. Even with Senators in the President’s own party warning that the administration’s secret interpretation of its domestic surveillance powers under the Patriot Act is so warped and radical that it would shock the public if they knew, Obama officials simply refuse even to release its legal memos setting forth how it is interpreting those powers. As EFF’s Trevor Timm told The Daily Beast today: “The government classified a staggering 77 million documents last year, a 40 percent increase on the year before.” And as I wrote about many times, the Obama administration even tried — and failed — to force The New York Times‘ James Risen to reveal his source for his story about an inept, disastrous CIA effort to infiltrate Iran’s nuclear program, but as Politico‘s Josh Gerstein reports today, the Obama DOJ is now appealing the decision in Risen’s favor. Gerstein writes:

The executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Lucy Dalglish, said the appeal was troubling for First Amendment advocates, but not unexpected.

“I’m not surprised at all,” Dalglish said “The Obama administration has made it absolutely clear they detest leakers and they are going to be very aggressive against leakers.”

Since Obama took office, his administration has initiated five prosecutions of alleged leakers under the Espionage Act — a sum roughly equal to the total number of such prosecutions in all prior administrations combined. . . .
“It’s really looking like they want to put Risen in prison,” [the defendant's lawyer Edward] MacMahon said in a brief interview. . . . “For the journalists in the world, it’s quite a significant First Amendment appeal.”


You can offer the ability to citizens to choose from one of the two parties and elect their leaders as much as you want. But “democracy” is an illusion — a sham — if the most significant acts taken by those leaders are kept concealed from the citizenry. .....



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Posted 20 October 2011 - 11:39 PM

Mr. Tom "They Should Make A Movie About You and Call It A Beautiful Mind" Scully,

It should be obvious to you by now that I am CIA. It should also be obvious to you that, since I attended Texas Christian University for one year (1967) and visited Pat Kirkpatrick's The Cellar one night with my college buddies (we were both disappointed and relieved that Pat cancelled the promised "live sex act" at the last moment), I take my orders indirectly from (TCU alum) David Atlee Phillips, through a mutual cutout of ours who in turn, we suspect, has a cutout in Raleigh, North Carolina, and that this cutout has a special "connection" with someone's gardner, who, when WE last checked, was still residing in Hades, Arkansas and has a cousin (or a nephew; we're not exactly sure; it does tend to get a bit confusing at times, doesn't it?) working at the notorious Minot (North Dakota) airport (which to us sounds suspiciously like Mena Airport), and whose landlady's great great great grandmother was a founding member of The Daughters Of The American Revolution!!!


Well now, regarding the topic of this thread, all I can say is "Get a room", i.e. move it to a more appropriate venue. Last time I checked, this particular forum was dedicated to "debating" the JFK assassination...


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expanded and "bumped"

Edited by Thomas Graves, 21 October 2011 - 12:37 AM.


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Posted 21 October 2011 - 03:11 PM

I don't know, Lee.... I thought there would be more of a concern about politically motivated assassination planned and done by the executive here in a forum about politically motivated assassination, 48 years ago, of the executive, than in most other places.

Why was there so much focus on plots by the U.S. government to assassinate Castro in the aftermath of the JFK assassination?

I hope you will agree that it is unlikely your UK or the Canadian PM would be killing citizens. You've still got courts in your country showing encouraging signs of normalcy, lawfulness. See http://en.wikipedia..../Binyam_Mohamed

I wouldn't expect you would react to the assassinations of the last three weeks in Yemen the way I am reacting to them. My concern is that I do not yet have a sense other Americans in any number even view what is happening as illegal, or wrong.

Have most of my countrymen gone mad? The president of the U.S. has set up and carried out a program of assassination of U.S. citizens located in countries where no U.S. forces are engaged, before these citizens are charged with any crime. I would expect more protest against this. I would expect less support or attempted justification for it.

If you read the early part of this thread, one poster wrote that the topic of this thread is not relevant to the theme of this forum, at least that is what I took his comments to mean. This same poster started a new thread shortly thereafter including no mention of the JFK assassination, or anything in his OP linking it to the theme of the forum.

I think we here in the U.S. are screwed, Lee. Sorry if I seem too shrill.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/singleton

....And although the Obama administration repeatedly accused Awlaki of having an “operational role” in Terrorist plots, it has — as Davidson put it — “so far kept the evidence for that to itself.”

This is all part and parcel of the Obama administration’s extreme — at times unprecedentedfixation on secrecy. Even with Senators in the President’s own party warning that the administration’s secret interpretation of its domestic surveillance powers under the Patriot Act is so warped and radical that it would shock the public if they knew, Obama officials simply refuse even to release its legal memos setting forth how it is interpreting those powers. As EFF’s Trevor Timm told The Daily Beast today: “The government classified a staggering 77 million documents last year, a 40 percent increase on the year before.” And as I wrote about many times, the Obama administration even tried — and failed — to force The New York Times‘ James Risen to reveal his source for his story about an inept, disastrous CIA effort to infiltrate Iran’s nuclear program, but as Politico‘s Josh Gerstein reports today, the Obama DOJ is now appealing the decision in Risen’s favor. Gerstein writes:

The executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Lucy Dalglish, said the appeal was troubling for First Amendment advocates, but not unexpected.

“I’m not surprised at all,” Dalglish said “The Obama administration has made it absolutely clear they detest leakers and they are going to be very aggressive against leakers.”

Since Obama took office, his administration has initiated five prosecutions of alleged leakers under the Espionage Act — a sum roughly equal to the total number of such prosecutions in all prior administrations combined. . . .
“It’s really looking like they want to put Risen in prison,” [the defendant's lawyer Edward] MacMahon said in a brief interview. . . . “For the journalists in the world, it’s quite a significant First Amendment appeal.”


You can offer the ability to citizens to choose from one of the two parties and elect their leaders as much as you want. But “democracy” is an illusion — a sham — if the most significant acts taken by those leaders are kept concealed from the citizenry. .....


I don't think you are being too shrill, Tom and the part of the question I was interested in hearing your answer to was concerning your expectations on a forum such as this.

I totally see the relevance of the thread in the wider context of the JFK assassination and I totally agree that the concept of "democracy" is an illusion. Keeping Western society bound at the illusory centre point of a false-dichotomy that has Soacialism/Communism on the left and Fascism/National Socialism on the right being the great game of the last century.

But the cracks within the true political system, capitalism and corporatism, are growing deeper and wider. Events in Greece are escalating and the European Union can't print money quick enough to stop the collapse and the cuts that that country is facing will completely demoralise the entire nation for decades. I may be going a little bit Alex Jones here but the erosion of civil liberties and rights that we have seen in this country, and you in yours, over the last 10-15 years are specifically designed to contain what is undoubtedly on the horizon. A mass economic collapse, followed by mass unemployment, followed by mass national strikes, followed by mass riots, followed by mass arrests, followed by martial law. All to protect an idea that has never really worked for anyone other than the interests of handful of people.

It reminds me of the scene in Oliver Stone's Nixon, when after visiting the Lincoln Memorial in the dead of night, Richard Nixon is surrounded by a gang of students:

Female Student:
You don't want the war.
We don't want the war.
The Vietnamese don't want the war.
So why does it go on?

Bob:
We should be going Mr. President

Nixon:
Ok.

Bob:
Please.

Female Student:
You can't stop it, can you?
Even if you wanted too.
Because it's not you, it's the system.
The system won't let you stop it.

Nixon:
There's more at stake here than what you want or what I want.

Female Student:
Then what's the point? What's the point of being President? You're powerless!

Nixon:
No! No I'm not powerless.
Cos', because I understand the system.
I believe I can, uh, control it maybe, not control it totally, but uh, tame it enough so it can do some good.

Female Student:
Sounds like your talking about a wild animal.

Nixon:
Maybe I am.

Bob:
You really must go, Mr. President, Please.

Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, LBJ - all puppets of the men behind the curtain. In the last 50 years, the only two presidents who concerned themselves with what could potentially happen if this economic situation wasn't addressed, were JFK and Jimmy Carter. One was killed, and the other was turned into a laughing stock.

Douglas Adams hit the nail on the head when he said, "For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much — the wheel, New York, wars and so on — whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man — for precisely the same reasons.
The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish."

Edited by Lee Farley, 21 October 2011 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:41 AM

When it finally sinks in to the majority of the sheeple that the United States is under the control of volk who are more or less indistinguishable morally from the accused in the Nuremberg trials, it will probably be a tad too late to exit the country all that easily.

However, there will be signs that observant, sane individuals can use as confirmation, (as if any further signs are even necessary) that it is past the time to exit. One of those signs took place yesterday.

On Monday, the U.S. Attorney General gave an Alice in Wonderland speech. "First the sentence, then the verdict," said the Queen.:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/eric-holder-drone-speech-7124146
How We Can Help President Obama Today
By Charles P. Pierce
at 10:38PM March 5, 2012
This is going to be a more than occasional series on the blog from now until whenever the administration leaves office. So this is the first entry. We can help President Obama today by explaining as LOUDLY as we can that he shouldn't lead this country so far into the quagmire of extrajudicial killing that it never finds its way out again.

Attorney General Eric Holder's appearance at Northwestern on Monday, during which he explained the exact circumstances under which the president can order the killing of just about anyone the president wants to kill, was not promising. The criteria for when a president can unilaterally decide to kill somebody is completely full of holes, regardless of what the government's pet lawyers say. And this...

"This is an indicator of our times," Holder said, "not a departure from our laws and our values."

...is a monumental pile of crap that should embarrass every Democrat who ever said an unkind word about John Yoo. This policy is a vast departure from our laws and an interplanetary probe away from our values. The president should not have this power because the Constitution, which was written by smarter people than, say, Benjamin Wittes, knew full and goddamn well why the president shouldn't have this power. If you give the president the power to kill without due process, or without demonstrable probable cause, he inevitably will do so. And, as a lot of us asked during the Bush years, if you give this power to President George Bush, will you also give it to President Hillary Clinton and, if you give this power to President Barack Obama, will you also give it to President Rick Santorum? To continue:
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http://www.aclu.org/...killing-program
ACLU Comment on Eric Holder Speech on Targeted Killing Program
March 5, 2012

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NEW YORK – In a speech today at Northwestern University School of Law, Attorney General Eric Holder spoke on national security issues and addressed the government’s targeted killing program.

“While the speech is a gesture towards additional transparency, it is ultimately a defense of the government’s chillingly broad claimed authority to conduct targeted killings of civilians, including American citizens, far from any battlefield without judicial review or public scrutiny,” said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project. “Few things are as dangerous to American liberty as the proposition that the government should be able to kill citizens anywhere in the world on the basis of legal standards and evidence that are never submitted to a court, either before or after the fact. Anyone willing to trust President Obama with the power to secretly declare an American citizen an enemy of the state and order his extrajudicial killing should ask whether they would be willing to trust the next president with that dangerous power.”

The ACLU has filed a lawsuit to enforce its Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking information about the targeted killing program, but the Justice Department and the CIA have responded to the request by saying they can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any records.

“The government has told the courts that its targeted killing program is so secret that even its existence can’t be acknowledged, but that proposition can no longer be taken seriously. If the attorney general can discuss the targeted killing program at a law school, then the administration can surely release the legal memos it uses to justify its claimed killing authority, and also defend its legal justifications in court,” Shamsi said. “The targeted killing program raises profound legal and moral questions that should be subjected to public debate, and constitutional questions that should be considered by the judiciary.”


The latest "canary in the coal mine" is that the decider and tyrant in chief, Barack Obama gave his first press conference Since NOVEMBER, a day after Eric Holder's "Alice in Wonderland" speech. and no question was asked by any member of the press on the subject of Obama's claim to a right to "kill his own people" outside the authority of any constitutionally recognized, or even publicly published procedure exclusive to the executive branch of the United States government.:

You can read the transcript 0f the Obama press conference here:

http://www.whitehous...nce-presidentcx

It is now no longer possible to reside in this country and maintain self respect, and almost every indication is that it is not worth risking life and limb to attempt to turn back what has happened, and that is the least that it would take. Judging by the reaction to these developments, it is not worth attempting to save the constitution because the people obviously seem willing to surrender all authority to the tyrant, the opposite of the purpose of the constitution and the concerns that formed the intent of those who authored it.

Edited by Tom Scully, 07 March 2012 - 08:46 AM.


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

I actually agree with Tom that the “targeted killing” policy is morally objectionable the notion that this makes the Obama “more or less indistinguishable morally from” the Hitler regime is absurd hyperbole, worse he arrogantly calls those who differ “sheeple” who are NOT “observant, sane individuals”.

So if he really feels that way why does he do anything about it besides posting on the EF? Should he be organizing some sort of White Rose resistance group?

Worse he continues to flaunt forum rules by posting on this thread in a section of the forum where it is totally off topic. How can he enforce the forum rules when he doesn’t follow them himself? Speaking of which why don’t any of the forums mods/admins move this thread? Do the rules NOT apply to them?

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:13 PM

I also agree that the extra judicial killing of American citizens is morally repugnant.

And I agree that this thread needs to be moved out of the JFK assassination research section ASAP, because it is off topic.

Thank-you.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:26 PM

looks like i am in the minority on this. What President Obama did was right. al-Awlaki & Kahn threaten to do terrorist attacks on their fellow American Citizens. In that since they foreated that Citizenship and became targets for attack themselves. I knew i will get alot of feed back on this. I am ready for that.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 06:51 PM

looks like i am in the minority on this. What President Obama did was right. al-Awlaki & Kahn threaten to do terrorist attacks on their fellow American Citizens. In that since they foreated that Citizenship and became targets for attack themselves. I knew i will get alot of feed back on this. I am ready for that.



So- if you yourself threaten to attack another American, you feel that your Citizenship as an American is forfeit? The CIA should be able to blow you away from a distance if they "think" you have threatened another American, with no trial?

Isn't this exactly the reason we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights, to keep our rights to a fair trial, and the "decisions" that effect us spread out into the hands of three different parts of the Government, so that no one group or person can decide our fate?

Since you are ready for the feedback, I'd enjoy hearing your careful exploration of what you just said. And President Obama didn't "do" this. He listened to people in the shadows working outside the Constitution make the judgement that these persons were guilty of a crime, and with no trial, he gave the same persons permission to then execute from the shadows at a distance the accused American, who was offered no defense council, had no opportunity to speak in their own defense, and who is a member of no country we are at war with.

What the President did was "right"? Have we fallen so far into fascist like control that just being the "leader" now makes anything he does fine, because the "leader" happens to be the American President?

In my opinion, we need to start thinking with our brains, and not hide behind the American Flag letting some sick, misplaced nationalistic 21st century sense of manifest destiny lead to a gestapo run state- which is exactly what is happening with these recent events.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:49 PM

Al-Awlaki's name came up in a dozen terrorism plots in the U.S., UK, and Canada. The cases included suicide bombers in the 2005 London bombings, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2006 Toronto terrorism case, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2007 Fort Dix attack plot, the jihadist killer in the 2009 Little Rock military recruiting office shooting, and the 2010 Times Square bomber. In each case the suspects were devoted to al-Awlaki's message, which they listened to on laptops, audio clips, and CDs

al-Awlaki had contacts with Nidal Malik Hasan the fort hood shooter here is what he said about Nidal Malik Hasan
Nidal Hassan is a hero.... The U.S. is leading the war against terrorism, which in reality is a war against Islam..... Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done? In fact the only way a Muslim could Islamically justify serving as a soldier in the U.S. army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal.

The fact that fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right—­rather the duty­—to fight against American tyranny. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims. The American Muslims who condemned his actions have committed treason against the Muslim Ummah and have fallen into hypocrisy.... May Allah grant our brother Nidal patience, perseverance, and steadfastness, and we ask Allah to accept from him his great heroic act. Ameen

Al-Awlaki and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the suspected al-Qaeda attempted bomber of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on December 25, 2009, had contacts according to a number of sources. In January 2010, CNN reported that U.S. "security sources" said that there is concrete evidence that al-Awlaki was Abdulmutallab's recruiter and one of his trainers, and met with him prior to the attack.[150] In February 2010, al-Awlaki admitted in an interview published in al-Jazeera that he taught and corresponded with Abdulmutallab, but denied having ordered the attack.[151][152][153]

Representative Pete Hoekstra, the senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said officials in the Obama administration and officials with access to law enforcement information told him the suspect "had contact [with al-Awlaki

In 2010, cartoonist Molly Norris at Seattle Weekly had to stop publishing, and at the suggestion of the FBI change her name, move, and go into hiding due to a Fatwā calling for her death issued by al-Awlaki, after Everybody Draw Mohammed Day

The Guardian and The Daily Telegraph reported that U.S. and British counter-terrorism officials believe that al-Awlaki was behind the cargo plane PETN bombs that were sent from Yemen to Chicago in October 2010.

When you have a person like Al-Awlaki calling for the dead of Americans like Molly Norris that is when he gave up his rights as a U.S Citizen

Some of the terrorist attacks in which he help do or inspired others to do is a act of war.

Basically he declared War on his own County and he did not care who was killed.

What would you do? You have some American like Al-Awaki is hiding in some county calling for the death of his fellow Americans and training people to do that? Do say we will ketch you and try to you on trial. Al awail he is out there still training and spreading his words to kill his fellow Americans. no telling how many more will die before you can get your hands on him. Would you want to take that chance?

Or with one missile strike he is no longer spreading his hate.

You decide The Chance more will die or his death

Edited by Mark Wengler, 07 March 2012 - 09:50 PM.


#43 David G. Healy

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:22 PM

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What would you do? You have some American like Al-Awaki is hiding in some county calling for the death of his fellow Americans and training people to do that? Do say we will ketch you and try to you on trial. Al awail he is out there still training and spreading his words to kill his fellow Americans. no telling how many more will die before you can get your hands on him. Would you want to take that chance?
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simple, blow the miserable pr**k away! Good riddance to bad rubbage!

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:15 AM

My feelings are actually mixed on this. I think such killings are justified but only in extraordinary circumstances when apprehending the target is not a viable option and there is compelling evidence that leaving them free will lead to the deaths of innocent civilians. Besides the the moral questions one problem is that others will take the place of those killed. I guess in Tom's wrapped view that makes me no better than Borman and Goring.

Edited by Len Colby, 08 March 2012 - 02:18 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 03:03 AM

Me personally i would say no Len. You have a right to voice your opinion as everyone here does.
These two people ( I use that word people loosely ) were beyond the reach of us getting them and bringing them to trail. Yes that law does worry me.

But there are times when such things need to be done in that way. I hope that this is very far and few that things are done in such a matter. I would rather see such persons brought to trial and have their fate decided there.




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