Evan Burton Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I found in this article our very own Jim Fetzer claiming that the ex-USN guided missile cruiser, the VINCENNES, is going to be used in a false flag operation against Iran: We beg to differ. There are major indications that the vessel of choice is to be the USS Vincennes. The fourth USS Vincennes (CG-49) is a US Navy Ticonderoga class Aegis guided missile cruiser. On July 3, 1988, the ship shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 civilian passengers on board, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. This would be an ideal vessel for the staged provocation as it could be easily sold to the world as having been Iranian retribution for the 1988 downing of Flight 655. That way the evident lack of motive for Iran to provoke the US and Israeli military will be replaced by a perceived "motive." No one will stop to ask themselves why Iran would thereby engage itself in a major war. If we were to believe the Wikipedia version of history the Vincennes has already been scrapped. The Wikipedia article for the Vincennes states, "The Vincennes was completely scrapped by 23 November 2011." If that were true it could not be used as the target of this "false-flag" attack. Yet we have photographic and testimonial evidence suggesting otherwise. The article goes on to say that the vessel was moved from Puget Sound "...in the dead of night about two months ago...". The article is dated 14 Jan 2012 which would mean the Vincennes left late October or early November 2011. So where is the Vincennes? Well, by April 2011 it was already being scrapped in Brownsville, Texas! (From site http://www.panoramio.../photo/51057065 ) You can even still see the 49 on her bow. Jim, can I suggest to you that your "reliable source" is anything but? With a little effort I am sure you could even interview people who scrapped her. BTW, your "reliable source" asks: "Why else would they move it when all the rest sit at a buoy here for months before they finally leave to be sunk?" That would be because it was sold for scrap. Other vessels continue to sit there, either awaiting sale, donation as museum ships, use as practice targets, or part of the 'mothball fleet', ready for reactivation if required. For instance, you can see three or four old aircraft carriers there. Other naval shipyards have similar 'mothball' fleets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Fetzer's tether to reality seems quite tenuous. How would the PTB explain the Vincennes being attacked if they had previously said it had been scraped? IIRC this is at least the 3rd time he has warned of a coming false-flag attack. As with the previous occasions the failure of his prediction to come true won't phase him, rather he'll take satisfaction in having prevented the 'attack'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 I guess they were going to claim the ship was other than Vincennes, one of the active ships of the class? I don't know. Like a lot of this type of conspiracy, it doesn't make sense. Yes, IIRC, Alex Jones was also promoting something along the same lines and, as always, it doesn't turn out to be correct. Still even a stopped clock is right twice a day; if you just keep on making predictions left, right and centre, you are bound to get something right every now and again. His followers seem to have selective memory loss and forget all the previous claims when a new one is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I guess they were going to claim the ship was other than Vincennes, one of the active ships of the class? I don't know. Like a lot of this type of conspiracy, it doesn't make sense. Yes, IIRC, Alex Jones was also promoting something along the same lines and, as always, it doesn't turn out to be correct. Still even a stopped clock is right twice a day; if you just keep on making predictions left, right and centre, you are bound to get something right every now and again. His followers seem to have selective memory loss and forget all the previous claims when a new one is made. No according to Fetzer's 'theory' it would have be acknowledged as Vincennes because revenge would the supposed motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 You're right, they do say that in the article. WTF? The government is going to claim an attack on a decommissioned vessel? The Navy register has it decommissioned, the Vincennes Association has it decommissioned and scrapped... everyone understands this except their "reliable source"! It not only does not make sense, it is nonsense. I presume, as always, that there won't be a correction to the article, confirming that the Vincennes has actually been scrapped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Fetzer's critical thinking "has left the building" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yep - six days and despite his error being noted by other people, no attempt at a correction is made. I really dislike such behaviour; when people refuse to acknowledge that they have made an error and just ignore reality, blindly going off on their own tangent. IMO it severely damages whatever credibility the person(s) had. In Jim's case, what other errors has he made in various subjects and refused to correct them? What conclusions has he drawn from assumptions or data that we know to be erroneous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 “I told this to a former 9/11 Truth person back when that ship got moved that it was likely to be used for a FALSE FLAG attack. Well, we'll soon see if I was right about this one.” Well, Mr Reliable Source, you were wrong. I'm still wondering why Jim or Mr Blakeney haven't corrected their errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) “I told this to a former 9/11 Truth person back when that ship got moved that it was likely to be used for a FALSE FLAG attack. Well, we'll soon see if I was right about this one.” Well, Mr Reliable Source, you were wrong. I'm still wondering why Jim or Mr Blakeney haven't corrected their errors. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ USS Enterprise Sets Off On Final Journey, Direction Iran. --------------oooo------------------------ Will It Be Used In A False Flag In The Persian Gulf? vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Yesterday at noon Eastern, the storied aircraft carrier Enterprise, aka CVN-65, left its home port of Naval Station Norfolk one final time for its final voyage with a heading: Arabian Sea, aka Iran. There in a week it will join CVN 72 Lincoln and CVN 70 Vinson, as well as LHD 8 Makin Island, all of which are supporting any potential escalation of “hostilities” in the Persian Gulf region. As a reminder, back in January we learned that the Enterprise’s final voyage will be in proximity to Iran, and in the meantime, the aircraft carrier held extended drills off the Florida coast to attack a “faux theocracy” consisting of fundamentalist “Shahida” states. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/15/israeli-warships-cross-suez-canal-headed-iran-96401/ Edited March 15, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 “I told this to a former 9/11 Truth person back when that ship got moved that it was likely to be used for a FALSE FLAG attack. Well, we'll soon see if I was right about this one.” Well, Mr Reliable Source, you were wrong. I'm still wondering why Jim or Mr Blakeney haven't corrected their errors. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ USS Enterprise Sets Off On Final Journey, Direction Iran. --------------oooo------------------------ Will It Be Used In A False Flag In The Persian Gulf? vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Yesterday at noon Eastern, the storied aircraft carrier Enterprise, aka CVN-65, left its home port of Naval Station Norfolk one final time for its final voyage with a heading: Arabian Sea, aka Iran. There in a week it will join CVN 72 Lincoln and CVN 70 Vinson, as well as LHD 8 Makin Island, all of which are supporting any potential escalation of “hostilities” in the Persian Gulf region. As a reminder, back in January we learned that the Enterprise’s final voyage will be in proximity to Iran, and in the meantime, the aircraft carrier held extended drills off the Florida coast to attack a “faux theocracy” consisting of fundamentalist “Shahida” states. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://blog.alexande...ded-iran-96401/ After the Basha of Tripoli had the honor of being the first to declare war against the United States, the first American warship to enter the Med was the first USS Enterprise, a schooner commanded by Lt. Sterrett, which came across the priate ship Tripoli engaged in the act of piracy against an American merchant ship. Sterrett had the Enterprise rake the Tripoli with broadsides three times before receiving return fire and totally humilated the pirate Captain, who feneighed surrender before actually surrendering and pushing his first officer overboard. Although Sterret could not take the Tripoli as a prize because the US had not declared war yet, the pirates got the message. Now, besides the Enterprise, there is the USS Sterrett engaged in counter-piracy patrols off Africa. May the final mission of the Enterprise be as successful as the first voyage of the schooner Enterprise in 1803 and the American officers conduct themselves as Sterrett. BK "Death to Tyrants" was the motto of Strrett's Navy and it holds true today. Remember the Intrepid: USS Enterprise v. Tripoli - Fighting Pirates Revolutionary Program: The Arab Spring Revolutions - For Beginners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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