Gary Mack Explains

[John Dolva]

I agree but I would never name Cassius Clay>Cassius X>Mohammad Ali in this context, not just out of admiration for his sporting prowess but also the significant public roles he has played, with each of his names (no secret) being part of the evolution of an admirable guy.

[David G. Healy]

http://www.dallasnew...cy-theorist.ece

I particularly enjoyed the part of the above article which says that Gary Mack changed his name from Larry Dunkel to Gary Mack (probably way back in the 1970s sometime).

Unless I'm mistaken, that name-changing declaration will probably come as a big surprise to some conspiracy theorists, who I think have asserted in the past that Mr. Mack had simply MADE UP the name Larry Dunkel in order to pose as a different person when discussing the JFK case.

The CTers will still say that by using the name Dunkel, instead of Mack, it still served to "hide" his true identity. But I just think it's kind of funny to find out that Dunkel is Gary's REAL name--and Gary Mack is, in essence, a FAKE name. Interesting irony there, isn't it? :-)

It never ceases to amaze some that Bugliosi bought into your internet "PR expertise" whilst he was looking for assistance promoting his mega-flop "block busting" boat anchor **Reclaiming History**... You best sitdown before you exhaust yourself holding up Gary 'the-Dunk' Mack's jockstrap... Carry on, son!

[Guest Robert Morrow]

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” Upton Sinclair

John, that was beautiful!

Jack White, God rest his soul, must be rolling in his grave with Mack's hypocrisy. Inside the Target Car is so flawed, but beneficial in that Mack claims a wind speed of 20 mph facing the limo, but the "puff of smoke" in the Wiegman photo doesn't appear to be blowing away as it reaches the street....hmmm

And to think Mack sat in front of Gordon Arnold when he spoke on the assassination.

The wind was blowing from west to east, basically from the Triple Underpass up Elm and up Main Street. Look how Jackie's pill box almost got knocked off as the JFK limo took a right onto Houston Street from Main Street.

This is why the gunpower "nose witnesses" are so important and why it is highly likely that a shot or shots came from the Grassy Knoll. The wind took the Grassy Knoll gunpowder shot and basically blew it east and up Elm Street. Sen. Ralph Yarborough smelled it as did the wife of Mayor Cabell as did a policeman as did at least 3 others.

With a wind blowing 5-10-20 mph (take your gust speed) and blowing west to east up Elm St, there is NO WAY that gunpowder smoke from the 6th floor TSBD is going to be smelled by anyone in that motorcade.

The "gunpowder smell witnesses" and the wind direction is well covered Fred Newcomb's book "Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy:" http://www.amazon.co...der from within

From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:"

***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, "You could smell the gunpowder... you knew he wasn't far away. When you're that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you--you've got to be pretty close to them... you could smell the gunpowder... right there in the street."63 (Figure 3-7) "Nose" witnesses Sen. Ralph Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street64 and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.65 He later commented, ". . . you don't smell gunpowder unless you're shooting at something up wind and it blows it back in your face..."65-a As noted, the motorcade headed into a breeze--photographs show bystanders' skirts billowing in the wind. At Parkland Hospital Yarborough told reporters "the third shot may have been a Secret Service man returning fire".65-b Two cars behind Yarborough was the Cabell car. Elizabeth Cabell said she ". . . was acutely aware of the odor of gunpowder."66 She added Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also.67 According to press photographer Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he ". . . very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up to the corner [of Elm and Houston Streets]."68 Bystander Virgie Rackley stood in front of the depository building close to the street. "She recalled that after the second shot, she smelled gunsmoke..."69 At the time of the shots, patrolman Joe M. Smith moved from the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets toward the triple underpass.70 Patrolman Earle V. Brown, stationed 100 yards west of the underpass, heard the shots and then smelled gunpowder as the car sped beneath him.71 A police officer who was on the sixth floor of the depository shortly after the shooting failed to smell any gunpowder there.72 One newspaper summed it up: ". . . seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder."73 Shots from the sixth floor of the depository building would have caused no gunpowder smell in the street.

Edited March 6, 2013 by Robert Morrow

[Pat Speer]

I agree but I would never name Cassius Clay>Cassius X>Mohammad Ali in this context, not just out of admiration for his sporting prowess but also the significant public roles he has played, with each of his names (no secret) being part of the evolution of an admirable guy.

The comparison is apt, IMO, in that Dunkel's decision to change his name was a personal choice that his detractors have chosen to mock. It's like calling Cary Grant "Archibald Leach" each time he steps out of a car at a movie premiere. It's INCREDIBLY JUVENILE, IMO. I mean, SO WHAT. Gary was not his original name. It's not as if Dunkel had a criminal record, or anything that he was running from when he changed his name.

I mean, was "Jack White" the researcher's real name? What about the musician? And what about "Jack Black," or "Frank Black," for that matter? Their "real names" don't matter. Unless they've changed their names to avoid a connection with their past selves. And has Gary done that? I don't think so.

[David Von Pein]

The comparison is apt, IMO, in that Dunkel's decision to change his name was a personal choice that his detractors have chosen to mock. It's like calling Cary Grant "Archibald Leach" each time he steps out of a car at a movie premiere. It's INCREDIBLY JUVENILE, IMO. I mean, SO WHAT. Gary was not his original name. It's not as if Dunkel had a criminal record, or anything that he was running from when he changed his name.

I totally agree with you, Pat.

And I want to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to Gary Mack for stirring up this "Mack/Dunkel" pot here at the Education Forum. (Although it was mentioned by others in this thread prior to my bringing it up.) But I dredged it up in an attempt to put a stop to what I thought at the time was another of the many myths that conspiracy theorists believe in.

But apparently most people here already knew that Gary had changed his name from Dunkel years ago. I, however, had no knowledge of that name change whatsoever. I always thought the CTers were accusing Gary of creating a fake name from whole cloth. But I see I was wrong.

But now I see that Jim DiEugenio has taken the opportunity to further ridicule Mr. Mack, with Jimbo scolding Gary and wondering why he doesn't go back to using his real name of Larry Dunkel since his days as a radio disc jockey are far behind him. I think I can speak for Mr. Mack when I type my next sentence, which seems most appropriate at this point:

Mind your own freakin' business, DiEugenio!

I mean, was "Jack White" the researcher's real name? What about the musician? And what about "Jack Black," or "Frank Black," for that matter? Their "real names" don't matter. Unless they've changed their names to avoid a connection with their past selves. And has Gary done that? I don't think so.

The Dallas Morning News article is quite clear about the reason for Gary's name change:

"In 1969, Mack had earned his degree in journalism. He was Lawrence Alan Dunkel then, and after graduation, he went into broadcasting. During his time as a disc jockey, he changed his name to Gary Mack at the request of his boss, who thought it would be catchier."

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/explore/20130302-gary-mack-and-the-evolution-of-a-jfk-conspiracy-theorist.ece

So, we can see it wasn't even Gary's/Larry's own idea to change his name. His boss encouraged it.

Edited March 9, 2013 by David Von Pein

[Randy Gunter]

Randy:

After long experience, I advise anyone to avoid getting into it with DVP. He uses all kinds of rhetorical techniques to dodge the issue, like the above, accusing you of a pot/kettle relationship with him.

If you saw Lincoln, arguing with him on this is sort of like the Tommy Lee Jones/Stevens character in that film arguing with the pro slavery advocates. Except, there one was allowed more latitude in language, and therefore more accuracy.

Consider this a friendly warning.

You will end up being quoted on is web site without permission.

My advice to Randy (and everyone else) is to NOT engage David von Pein, especially in juvenile back and forth comments. If you wonder why I suggest this, just email or PM me. Just ignore him.

Jim/Robert,

Thanks for the info. I knew something was rotten and it wasn't the cheese.

Randy

[J. Raymond Carroll]

I was astonished to read David Lifton's post and the article

in which Gary Mack claimed that Lee Oswald left a note

on the morning of 11/22.

I have heard many lies told about Lee Oswald

but this is the biggest

next to the lie that he was a killer.

I don't mind Gary promoting the official lie,

but now he has gone too far.

Assuming it was just his memory playing tricks

he has a duty to ensure that the newspaper prints a correction

and he owes a very big apology to Marina and the family.

According to the basic principles of American law

and indeed the law of every civilized country

Lee Oswald remains an innocent man.

Furthermore, it is a symptom of the utter bankruptcy

of the offical story that one of its chief spokespersons

has to make up NEW LIES

in order to convince himself

and others.

[Ian Kingsbury]

I agree but I would never name Cassius Clay>Cassius X>Mohammad Ali in this context, not just out of admiration for his sporting prowess but also the significant public roles he has played, with each of his names (no secret) being part of the evolution of an admirable guy.

John

I agree wholeheartedly Ali/Clay could not "hide" whatever his name was.

But he never wanted to hide his name change was a statement in itself

Where as those that hide behind an alias are not convinced by their own argument.

( I will hide in case I am wrong) .

I have encountered many ,many Warren supporters with aliases

But very few truth seekers hiding behind a pseud.

Perhaps it's something to do with our psychological make up .

I wonder if Dr Fetzer has a Pseudonym subconsciously rooting for

The other side.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

The online version of this article has been amended

to remove the false story about Oz leaving a note.

It now reads:

“When he woke up the next morning, he left behind on the dresser bureau almost every dollar he had, and he left his wedding ring,” Mack said. “When a man does that, he’s made a major life-changing decision. He’s decided to do something drastic and dramatic"

Lets think about that for a moment.

In my experience, if a man leaves something on the dresser

it means he intends to come back later to pick it up.

If he doesn't want something he will probably throw it away.

By coincidence I happen to be reading the autobiography

of Sam Torrance, the great Scottish golfer who captained

the winning European team in the Ryder Cup.

Sam grew up in a working-class district,

and he tells how the typical working man of the time

who was paid in cash, would give most of his pay to his wife

and keep just enough for himself for a Friday night in the pub

with his mates.

So now we have Gary Mack explaining

that when a man leaves most of his money with his wife

it means he is about to become a murderer.

Would someone please tell me:

What has become of the United States of America?

[Pat Speer]

I agree with your last point, Raymond. It's upsetting to see Gary regurgitate this tidbit about Oswald and his money without stopping to think. Oswald lived in a boarding house. He didn't have a bank account. OF COURSE, he gave his money to his wife... WHAT ELSE was he gonna do with it...stuff it in his mattress?

Those harping on this point, moreover, miss out on the other side of this issue. When the DPD searched Oswald's room, they found approximately twelve bucks in cash. That may not sound like much, but that was the rough equivalent of a hundred bucks today. That's a LOT of money for a minimum wage employee going on the lam to leave behind. So why did he leave it?

Could it be...that he was hoping to come back?

[J. Raymond Carroll]

When the DPD searched Oswald's room, they found approximately twelve bucks in cash. That may not sound like much, but that was the rough equivalent of a hundred bucks today. That's a LOT of money for a minimum wage employee going on the lam to leave behind. So why did he leave it?

Could it be...that he was hoping to come back?

I think, if memory serves, that he had the twelve bucks in his pocket, not in his room.

There is no evidence that he was going on the lam,

despite all the false accusations against him.

And I see nothing suspicious or even curious

about a working man

with $100 in his wallet today.

A hundred bucks doesn't buy that much these days

just as twelve bucks wouldn't buy that much

in 1963.

But I am not sure what your point is.

Edited March 10, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Karl Kinaski]

Quote Mack-Interview:

“When he woke up the next morning, he left behind on the dresser bureau almost every dollar he had, and he left his wedding ring,” Mack said. “When a man does that, he’s made a major life-changing decision. He’s decided to do something drastic and dramatic"

If one believes the JVB-Story, and Oswalds plan to disappear for a while, if not forever, in Mexico/Cancun after the events in Dallas in which he was involved, not as a shooter, but as a member of an "abort-team", the above behavior makes perfect sense.

KK

[Pat Speer]

When the DPD searched Oswald's room, they found approximately twelve bucks in cash. That may not sound like much, but that was the rough equivalent of a hundred bucks today. That's a LOT of money for a minimum wage employee going on the lam to leave behind. So why did he leave it?

Could it be...that he was hoping to come back?

I think, if memory serves, that he had the twelve bucks in his pocket, not in his room.

There is no evidence that he was going on the lam,

despite all the false accusations against him.

And I see nothing suspicious or even curious

about a working man

with $100 in his wallet today.

A hundred bucks doesn't buy that much these days

just as twelve bucks wouldn't buy that much

in 1963.

But I am not sure what your point is.

They found $13.87 in his room. This suggested that he'd planned on returning. I mean, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If his leaving some money for his wife can be used to suggest he was up to something, his leaving money in his room can be used to suggest he planned on coming back.

Right, Gary?

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Right, Gary?

This thread already demonstrates

that evidence

means nothing

to the curator

of the Sixth floor museum.

Gary has his own opinions,

and he also has his own facts,

sad to say.

[David Von Pein]

They found $13.87 in his room. This suggested that he'd planned on returning.

Why are you misrepresenting the evidence, Pat? There was no money found in Oswald's room on Beckley. The $13.87 was found IN OSWALD'S POCKETS when he was arrested. [see WR, Page 745, below.]

I think it's ironic that certain conspiracy theorists are raking Gary Mack over the coals for making a mistake about the note, and here we have Pat Speer making a similar mistake--claiming some money was found somewhere where it definitely was not. Nice hunk of irony there indeed.

And you and Raymond are totally missing the boat regarding Oswald leaving behind his wedding ring and nearly all his cash ($170.00) in Irving on November 22.

How many times had Lee EVER done such a thing prior to 11/22? Answer: Never.

Doesn't that suggest something to you, Pat/J. Raymond?

Edited March 10, 2013 by David Von Pein