John Simkin Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 On 6th December, 1963, Paul Mandel wrote an article about the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Life Magazine. "The doctor said one bullet passed from back to front on the right side of the President’s head. But the other, the doctor reported, entered the President’s throat from the front and then lodged in his body. Since by this time the limousine was 50 yards past Oswald and the President’s back was turned almost directly to the sniper, it has been hard to understand how the bullet could enter the front of his throat. Hence the recurring guess that there was a second sniper somewhere else. But the 8mm film shows the President turning his body far around to the right as he waves to someone in the crowd. His throat is exposed – toward the sniper’s nest – just before he clutches it." Jim Marrs has argued: "The account is patently wrong, as anyone who has seen the film can verify. The reason for such wrongful information at such a critical time will probably never be known, as the author of this statement, Paul Mandel, died shortly afterward." His son is objecting to comments about his father here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-mandel/my-dad-and-jfk-assassinat_b_3294456.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Doug Horne's take (courtesy Bill Kelly): http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14986&p=176126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Roy Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 This goes to what I've been saying for a long time: These names that we throw around are or were real people, with real families, and some among us are too reckless with charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 This goes to what I've been saying for a long time: These names that we throw around are or were real people, with real families, and some among us are too reckless with charges. Stephen, your point is well taken. Do you think Doug Horne crossed a line? In his article, Mandel seemed resigned to the fact that private lives have become public. His larger point seems to be that we should stop studying the JFK murder. Since my dad was a small part of a piece of history, a chronicler of it, you can make a case that speculating about his motives and about his death is fair game. In a day and age when personal facts pop up at a click, we're all in the public domain. But on this anniversary, there is one thing I want to ask: When will Americans, we of middle age, especially, move on? Yes, we still feel the sting of that day, but shouldn't there be some sort of mental statute of limitations on traumas like these? In the absence of new witnesses or of other fresh and vital information, might it make sense to stop our chattering and to open files on the other parts of our lives? The effect of all the conspiracy talk on his family seemed to be minimal for almost fifty years. It was only when Mandel Googled his father's name did he discover his father's connection to assassination lore. But it wasn't until his name popped up in a Google search that an eerie, even ugly side of his JFK report became clear. My dad had, after all these years -- and without my family realizing it -- become a celebrity in the superheated world of conspiracy websites. He'd turned into nuclear fuel for a whole range of assumptions and arguments, a touchstone for angry postings and rapid-fire computer chat. What's absent from Mandel's article is the specific reason(s) his father's name became part of JFK assassination lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Roy Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Yes, Horne crossed a line. We should continue to study and ask questions, but be more circumspect with allegations/ Mandel goofed. I work in news. You try to get it right but you sometimes rely on what other people tell you, and this time Mandel goofed. But Horne throws around words like "lie" and wishes people (not Mandel) a place in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) Michael and Stephen, there is another dimension to this. What was Time-Life, Inc.? Paul Mandel's wife, Sheila,was employed as an editor at Life from 1957 to 1972. Paul W. Mandel was a Harvard Law grad and presumably knew what he was influencing in writing the article in question in the way he worded it and it the time he was sending it for publication in Life. Paul Mandel was experienced at what he was doing. He formerly editing "The Crimson." http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1953/4/10/paris-review-pjust-two-years-ago/ Paris Review On the Shelf By Michael J. Halberstam, April 10, 1953 Just two years ago this newspaper published a review of the Advocate in which the reviewer, Paul W. Mandel '51, attacked one of the magazine's writers, Donald Hall '51, for "technical obscurity," specifically the use of the word "Zeitgeist." Mandel complained that "this reviewer had to look it up and you might have to too." Well, Hall didn't like the review and he protested to the CRIMSON. A friend of his on the Lampoon named John P. C. Train didn't like it either, and wrote us a letter saying so. All of which is to lead up to the fact that a new literary magazine has been published, that both Hall and Train are on its staff, and that the magazine's manifesto proclaims that it will "strive to give predominant space to the fiction and poetry of both established and new writers, rather than to people who use words like Zeitgeist." The manifesto was written by William Styron, young author of the excellent novel "Lie Down in Darkness," whose pet phobia is the word, "Zeitgeist.".... http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1952/3/13/usa-confidential-pa-hearst-executive-once/ U.S.A. Confidential JACK LAIT and LEE MORTIMER, Crown Publishing Co., N.Y. By Paul W. Mandel, March 13, 1952 ....Far worse than the coverage of these reporters with their self-styled "Unique will and skill and guts" is the level of their research. Within the sidelines of the libel laws they make about every charge that can be made, always tailoring their material for that crucial, reader-pleasing evidence of Communism, New Dealism, Socialism, "Homosexualism," and the Mafia. They shift into overdrive when it is imposible to check them..... It comes down to the complaining of a privileged son (with apparent, privileged access at Huff Post) of a privileged couple who my research indicates were employed by a front organization masquerading as a mainstream, journalistic enterprise. The father wrote a controversial and inflammatory article very soon after the assassination of President Kennedy. There is continuing fallout as a consequence of the publication of this article. Deal with it. Andrew Heiskell was the boss of Sheila and Paul Mandel. ENEMY SURRENDERS IN BAGGAGE ROOM; Dejected Germans in Paris... New York Times - Aug 27, 1944 The corps commander (Gen. Leonard T. Gerow) talked ' with General yon Choltitz in theI presence of Lieut . Col. Robert LowI of 730 Park Avenue, New York City, who is a member of the Corps Commander's staff..... http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8381.msg243906.html#msg243906Lemme get this straight, NYT is a victim of unwarranted criticism from Russ Baker?http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/21/obituaries/c-l-sulzberger-columnist-dies-at-80.html?pagewanted=all&src=pmPublished: September 21, 1993...The son of Leo Sulzberger, he was a nephew of Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of The Times from 1935 to 1961. He was also a first cousin of Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, publisher of the paper from 1963 to 1992 and still chairman of the Times Company.........The Times, after an extensive investigation, reported that the C.I.A. had counted a number of American journalists among its paid agents, but denied that Mr. Sulzberger had been among them. Mr. Sulzberger also denied that he ever worked for the C.I.A. or that he had used an agency briefing paper as a column....http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/27/nyregion/family-retains-control-of-times-after-iphigene-sulzberger-s-death.htmlFamily Retains Control of Times After Iphigene Sulzberger's DeathPublished: February 27, 1990....Despite the death of Iphigene Ochs Sulzberger, control of The New York Times and related properties remains with the Sulzberger family. It passes to her four children through the automatic termination of a trust established by her father, Adolph S. Ochs.........Four Children Are TrusteesMrs. Sulzberger's four children -each a trustee of all four trusts - are:* Marian Sulzberger Heiskell, a director of The New York Times Company and other companies. She is the widow of Orvil E. Dryfoos, who was president and publisher of The Times at his death in 1963. She is married to Andrew Heiskell, former chairman and chief executive of Time Inc.....http://www.google.com/search?q=robert+low+assistant&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapers#hl=en&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22robert+m+low%22+assistant+life&oq=%22robert+m+low%22+assistant+life&gs_l=serp.3...16796.18759.4.19055.2.2.0.0.0.0.1290.1290.7-1.1.0...0.0...1c..12.psy-ab.cskXWDpMUGc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46471029,d.eWU&fp=77d50f8645eb0a79&biw=1080&bih=539PersonnelNew York Times - Jan 23, 1952Robert M. Low has resigned as assistant to Andrew Heiskell, publisher of Life Magazine, to form the international public relations concern of Low, Shaw Co., Inc.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3591380/The-cost-of-treachery.htmlThe cost of treachery - Telegraphwww.telegraph.co.uk › Comment › LettersMay 16, 2003 – Sir - In 1949 a paramilitary operation took place to overthrow the communist dictatorship of Enver Hoxha and destabilise the encroaching Soviet empire.This Anglo-American operation was totally sabotaged by Kim Philby. My father, Robert Low, who was field officer, said "it was like playing poker ... What became of the Albanians who were caught does not bear thinking about....http://books.google.com/books?id=a3ncweUli9UC&pg=PA396&dq=robert+joyce+low+mike+burke&hl=en&sa=X&ei=C0SUUe3WG4Hq8wS-qIHYCg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=robert%20joyce%20low%20mike%20burke&f=falseCloak and Gown: Scholars in the Secret War, 1939-1961 - Page 396books.google.com/books?isbn=0300065248Robin W Winks - 1996 - Preview - More editionsRobert Joyce, liaison at the Department of State, shared Angleton's view. On the other hand Frank Wisner strongly favored ... s colleagues in OPC were gung-ho on the operation. Wisner chose first Robert Low, and soon after Michael Burke,http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,799896,00.htmlA Letter From The Publisher, Mar. 28, 1949Monday, Mar. 28, 1949Dear Time-ReaderFor Robert Low, TIME Inc.'s Eastern European Correspondent, the last three and a half years of reporting the news from both sides of the Balkans' gradually lowering Iron Curtain has been an excursion in incongruity. The Curtain is securely fastened now—except for Communist and fellow-traveling foreign journalists and Low has returned to the U.S. for a breather.Low's first-rate reporting job during his tour of duty is perhaps best exemplified by the now historic documents on the Tito-Stalin conflict, which ended in Moscow's excommunication of Marshal Tito. Low managed to get them in advance of general publication and, as printed in TIME'S August 23, 1948 issue, they were the first complete summary of this revealing correspondence. Other Low stories that you may recall include his account of the Communist guerrilla raid on the Greek town of Naousa (TIME, Jan. 31), and Patriot George Magalios and the American aid program for Greece (Jan. 3).http://books.google.com/books?id=_bV5ncXNke4C&pg=PA393&dq=%22*+Cyrus+Sulzberger+again+picked+up+information+on+this+%27disastrous&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tESUUeSOIYLe9ATstoCAAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22*%20Cyrus%20Sulzberger%20again%20picked%20up%20information%20on%20this%20%27disastrous&f=trueMi6: Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty's Secret Intelligence ... - Page 393books.google.com/books?isbn=0743217780Stephen Dorril - 2002 - Preview - More editionsCyrus Sulzberger again picked up information on this 'disastrous effort'. The few survivors who made it out told their friends and colleagues in Malta that Hoxha's security men had tightened their grip on the country and free movement was...https://www.google.com/search?q=+YUGOSLAVS+PLAN+BLOW+WITH+ALLIES%3B+People,+Enduring+Nazi+joyce&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapersYUGOSLAVS PLAN BLOW WITH ALLIES; People, Enduring Nazi ...New York Times - Jul 11, 1943... Including Greek Isles and Crete By CL SULZBERGER By Wireless to THE NEW ... once occupied by the secretary of the American legations, Robert Joyce.http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/21/obituaries/c-l-sulzberger-columnist-dies-at-80.html?pagewanted=1/C. L. Sulzberger, Columnist, Dies at 80......SpetsaiClose acquaintances, too, remembered him as a man who led a double life. There was a darker side to his personality, one that brooded in diaries about not having done more in life and that longed for the privacy of a fishing stream in the Colorado Rockies, where he went each summer, or his villa on the Greek island of Spetsai.....http://books.google.com/books?id=Gt1wP0rJnIMC&pg=PP143&dq=joyce+georgetown+wisner&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hCdpUeC7KIXQ9ATdiIHwCA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAw]http://books.google.com/books?id=Gt1wP0rJnIMC&pg=PP143&dq=joyce+georgetown+wisner&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hCdpUeC7KIXQ9ATdiIHwCA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAwThe Atlantic Century: Four Generations of Extraordinary Diplomats ...books.google.com/books?isbn=0786746300Kenneth Weisbrode - 2009 - Preview - More editionsGeorgetown died “dramatically with the suicides of Phil Graham [1963] and Frank Wisner [1965]. ... and even Jane and Bob Joyce's in Spetsai, featured many of the same people.61 The consensus forged in such places, as in Washington's .http://books.google.com/books?id=JokJ7K3b5fMC&pg=PA59&dq=%22robert+joyce%22+%22robert+low%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lyNpUdvsD4Xa9QTHlIGIDg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22robert%20joyce%22%20%22robert%20low%22&f=false Safe for Democracy: The Secret Wars of the CIA - Page 5955]books.google.com/books?isbn=1566635748John Prados - 2006 - Preview - More editions... Balkan expert at the embassy. Americans included Robert Joyce, ... The first OPC field officer assigned would be Robert Low, a veteran of OSS/Cairo, who as a journalist had recently reported from the Balkans. The British initially provided ...http://www.google.com/search?q=robert+low+assistant&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapers#hl=en&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22robert+m+low%22+assistant+life&oq=%22robert+m+low%22+assistant+life&gs_l=serp.3...16796.18759.4.19055.2.2.0.0.0.0.1290.1290.7-1.1.0...0.0...1c..12.psy-ab.cskXWDpMUGc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46471029,d.eWU&fp=77d50f8645eb0a79&biw=1080&bih=539PersonnelNew York Times - Jan 23, 1952Robert M. Low has resigned as assistant to Andrew Heiskell, publisher of Life Magazine, to form the international public relations concern of Low, Shaw Co., Inc.http://books.google.com/books?id=HecCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA88&dq=Hedley+Donovan+married+sulzberger&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3CVpUcmvLoWe8gTV4ID4Bg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Hedley%20Donovan%20married%20sulzberger&f=false New York Magazine - Oct 23, 1972 - Page 88books.google.com/books?id=HecCAAAAMBAJVol. 5, No. 43 - Magazine - Full viewHedley Donovan, 58, has the title of editor-in- chief; Heiskell, 57, is chief executive officer as well as chairman of the ... By common agreement, Heiskell is very decent, very social — he is married to Marian Sulzberger Dryfoos, widow of the .http://books.google.com/books?id=JokJ7K3b5fMC&pg=PA59&dq=%22robert+joyce%22+%22robert+low%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lyNpUdvsD4Xa9QTHlIGIDg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22robert%20joyce%22%20%22robert%20low%22&f=falseProceedings of the annual get-together meeting - Volume 29 - Page 181books.google.com/books?id=DO3NAAAAMAAJExport Managers Club of New York - 1949 - Snippet view - More editionsBorn in Seattle, Washington; attended school in San Francisco ; went to Europe with his family and attended the University of Heidelberg. He was a newspaper reporter in San Francisco and in Washington. Served as Foreign Correspondent in Europe for eight years before the last war. During the war he became a Lt. Colonel in the First Army's Armored Force. Came to TIME three and a half years ago. (Incidentally, he speaks German and French.) He was in Iran, Iraq, Greece, Turkey, etc. For the past three years, Mr. Low's beat as a roving correspondent has been the Balkan and Near East countries which he has seen, one by one, fall behind the Iron Curtain and blacked out as news sources to the outside world. Sometimes I wonder how these correspondents save their heads. Mr. Low might tell us. He has watched the Communists take over power in five European countries and has been an eye witness of civil war in Greece. Has also covered the Russian penetration into Iran and the Middle East. In covering the Balkans and Middle East Mr. Low has become well acquainted with most of the government leaders. American correspondents have the faculty of sometimes giving us news before it actually happens. And you know I am not kidding about that. Ladies and gentlemen, it is a distinct pleasure and privilege indeed to introduce to you Mr. Robert Low, TIME, Inc., Eastern European Correspondent, who will give you some words on AN AMERICAN CORRESPONDENT REPORTS ON THE BALKANS AND THE NEAR EAST. Mr. Low. (Applause) Mr. Robert Low : Mr. Hoffmann, Ladies and gentlemen,.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3591380/The-cost-of-treachery.htmlThe cost of treachery - Telegraphwww.telegraph.co.uk › Comment › LettersMay 16, 2003 – Sir - In 1949 a paramilitary operation took place to overthrow the communist dictatorship of Enver Hoxha and destabilise the encroaching Soviet empire.This Anglo-American operation was totally sabotaged by Kim Philby. My father, Robert Low, who was field officer, said "it was like playing pokerhttp://books.google.com/books?id=w6TVdT-q7vcC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=robert+joyce+psychological+cd+jackson&source=bl&ots=k6ixyUjjzq&sig=_sBFMxnNxeeFXKKsfcAPp9tI6T0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bDRpUeycM4Tq9ATn4YGoCg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ Undermining the Kremlin: America's Strategy to Subvert the Soviet ... - Page 181 - Google Books Resultbooks.google.com/books?isbn=0801437113Gregory Mitrovich - 2000 - Political ScienceIt was a war fought, however, by non-military methods — psychological warfare and ... C. D. Jackson, Robert Joyce, Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner, C. Tracy Barnes, .http://books.google.com/books?id=_bV5ncXNke4C&pg=PA392&dq=athens+%22hod+fuller%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LEqUUfSoLoru9ASJgYGIDA&sqi=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=athens%20%22hod%20fuller%22&f=falseMi6: Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty's Secret Intelligence ... - Page 392books.google.com/books?isbn=0743217780Stephen Dorril - 2002 - Preview - More editionshttp://lewrockwell.com/orig13/janney1.1.1.htmlThis is the prologue to Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy To Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Their Vision for World Peace. by Peter Janney. Reprint permission courtesy of the author. Published by Skyhorse Publishing......During dinner that evening, my father mentioned that it was not too early to think about racing our sailboat from Annapolis to Newport again in the coming year. Sailing was a rite of passage for me, and I looked forward to continuing to master its intricacies under my father’s guidance. The previous summer had already extended my knowledge and experience with a small group trip down the Dalmatian coast from Venice to Athens on a seventy-seven-foot Rhodes ketch. Its colorful skipper, a gallant, distinguished former World War II Marine combat captain named Horace (“Hod”) Fuller, had been a delightful legend to sail with. An accomplished sailor, he sometimes kindly took me aside for tutorials on some of the idiosyncrasies of sailing in the Adriatic Sea.There were, however, a couple of instances during the trip that disturbed me. Late one night, I had awakened to the sound of Hod Fuller having what sounded like combat nightmares from his World War II experiences. No one else in our group wanted to acknowledge it. Years later, my father, a career CIA senior official, having had his usual “generous” intake of alcohol one evening, remarked that “Hod Fuller was one of the best damn assassins we ever had. . . .” A bit stunned, I curiously inquired as to how he went about his assignments. In at least one instance, my father said, Hod had taken his victim out in a rowboat and shot him in the back of the head and then dumped him overboard.....MRS. SARA VON STADE BRIDE OF HW FULLERNew York Times - Dec 7, 1946Mrs. Sara Worthington Clucas von Stade, widow of Lieut, Charles Steel von Stade, AUS, and daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Edward Welch Clucas of Whiteoakes, ..http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/18/obituaries/h-w-fuller-81-dies-decorated-ex-marine.html]http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/18/obituaries/h-w-fuller-81-dies-decorated-ex-marine.htmlH. W. Fuller, 81, Dies; Decorated Ex-MarinePublished: August 18, 1989Horace W. Fuller, a retired United States Marine Reserve brigadier general who served at Guadalcanal and with the French Resistance in World War II, died of cancer Wednesday in a clinic on the Greek island of Spetsai. He was 81 years old and lived on Spetsai.He spent five years on active duty with the Marines during and after World War II, rising to lieutenant colonel and earning French and American decorations. He retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a brigadier general in 1954.Horace Williams Fuller was born in Brookline, Mass., and earned an B.S. degree from Harvard College in 1930.Over the years, General Fuller had homes in New England and in Greece, where he was active in shipping and other businesses, retiring in 1970.His 1947 marriage to Sarah Clucas von Stade ended in divorce in 1951. He married Dosia Karaiskakis of Spetsai in 1952. She died in 1981......"Hod" Fuller's first wife Sarah Clucas von Stade was a first cousin of the two Clucas brothers described below:http://deepinthewoods.me/doc/Tree041812/wc01/wc01_450.htmSara Worthington Clucas married a professional polo player who was killed in action during World War II. Their daughter, Frederica von Stade, is the renowned and beloved American singer....According to Frederica von Stade's biography, her family traveled and periodically lived abroad in her youth because her mother worked as a secretary for the Central Intelligence Agency. This included extended stays in Italy and Greece. http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-04/entertainment/ca-2832_1_von-stadeJenny Rebecca Elkus - Oh, the Life of the Diva : 20 years since ...Mar 4, 1990 ... 20 years since her debut, Frederica von Stade finds herself at the ... She was named for her maternal grandmother, Frederica Clucas, ..http://www.google.com/search?q=george+bush+Frederica+von+Stade&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aAll the best, George Bush: my life in letters and other writings - Google Books ResultGeorge Bush - 1999 - Biography & Autobiography - 640 pagesI got a letter from F. Von Stade.* He was on a 14 day furlough at Aiken [sC] ... a family friend and uncle to the opera singer Frederica Von Stade. .http://deepinthewoods.me/sitemap/the-clucas-family/lowell-melcher-clucas-jr.htmlLowell Melcher Clucas, Jr 1917-2002Lowell M Clucas, Jr. had a career of which spy novels are written. He may have been our only family member to be denounced by Senator Joseph R McCarthy as a "card-carrying Communist," and appearing as #26 on the senator's infamous list in a speech before Congress on February 20, 1950.Lowell Melcher Clucas, Jr was born in Bridgeport, Connecticut, on July 14, 1917. He was the son of Lowell Melcher Clucas, Sr and Frances Potter Tileston Clucas. He was the eldest of the couple's three children. His sister, Frances Potter "Sissie" Clucas was born in 1918 and a brother, Charles Clucas was born in 1919.Lowell Melcher Clucas, Jr. graduated from Yale University in 1939. He was a member of “Skull and Bones,” and was the managing editor of the “Yale Daily News.”........During World War II, he served with the Office of War Information. He served as an editor, 1942-44, a field rep, 1944; chief of section 1945.Lowell was transferred to the Department of State as chief of radio feature section CAF-12, Jan 1, 1946; he was assistant chief of English section, CAF-13, Jan 12, 1947; and assistant chief of the news section CAF-14, Dec 26, 1948.....”Did Lowell Clucas work for the CIA? Google search turned up a reference to his work as noted in the “Peter Grose Papers” (Princeton Library). The Peter Grose Papers document Grose’s research on Allen Dulles and the Soviet Union. The papers include writings, subject files consisting of research notes and photocopied sources, as well as a small number of photographs. Of note is the Central Intelligence Agency’s declassified history of Allen Dulles' tenure at the CIA. There is a reference to Lowell Clucas in “Series 1: 1942-1999.” It reads: “Clucas, Lowell, 1942-1954.” It can be found in Box 3, Folder 12.Lowell Clucas's brother, Charles, married George DeMohrenschildt's ex-wife, the daughter of CIA's Walter Washington,:http://deepinthewoods.me/doc/Tree041812/wc15/wc15_268.htmhttp://news.google.com/newspapers?id=l4IhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pYsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3215,2416794&dq=cholly+knickerbocker+clucas&hl=enCholly Knickerbocker .Palm Beach Daily News - Feb 1, 1959NOTEBOOK A divorce on grounds ofintolerable cruelty habitual intemperance and misconduct obtained by chemical exec Charles Clucas from Mrs Phyllis Washington Clucas in Connecticut may sound pretty final.However, Mrs. Clucas, the former Baroness de Mohrenschildt says it is only the beginning....(she says she has letters and other evidence) concerning Mr. Clucas's interest in a very-much married New York lady socialite... 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Stephen Roy Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Michael and Stephen, there is another dimension to this. What was Time-Life, Inc.? Paul Mandel's wife, Sheila,was employed as an editor at Life from 1957 to 1972. Paul W. Mandel was a Harvard Law grad and presumably knew what he was influencing in writing the article in question in the way he worded it and it the time he was sending it for publication in Life. Paul Mandel was experienced at what he was doing. He formerly editing "The Crimson." It comes down to the complaining of a privileged son (with apparent, privileged access at Huff Post) of a privileged couple who my research indicates were employed by a front organization masquerading as a mainstream, journalistic enterprise. The father wrote a controversial and inflammatory article very soon after the assassination of President Kennedy. There is continuing fallout as a consequence of the publication of this article. Deal with it. Andrew Heiskell was the boss of Sheila and Paul Mandel. Tom: You're bringing in irrelevant material and you're making unwarranted presumptions. I think you're wrong. SR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Heiskell's "assistant" was a covert operations officer commanding assassin Hod Fuller while fronting as a journalist. Psy Ops chief, CD Jackson was running the Life "organ". Stolley was buying the Zapruder film to suppress it and two weeks later, Harvard lawyer Mandel was penning much more than a "news" piece on the recent assassination. Let us not even get into Frank Pace and "Tex" Moore of both Time, Inc, and General Dynamics. You're correct, Stephen, look only at the man with the three walnut shell halves moving swiftly across the table top. Absolutely no hint that Time-Life was an intelligence and Op Mockingbird front, or that the contested award of the most expensive single government contract ever awarded has anything to do with two Time-Life board members, one a brother-in-law of Henry Luce, could possibly be related to Paul Mandel's prelude to the WC's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) ........................................ .............................. Tom: You're bringing in irrelevant material and you're making unwarranted presumptions. I think you're wrong. SR Stephen, forgive my tongue in cheek tone in my last reply. It is no excuse, but I reacted to your accusation of "bringing in irrelevant material and ...making unwarranted presumptions. You stated those points as if they were fact. You cannot know that. Of course, you can think I am wrong. I am aware I might be wrong. As Jim agreed. Mr. & Mrs/ Paul W. Mandel were of privileged background. Best of the Day in Pictures Daily Boston Globe - Sep 24, 1948 MISS SHEILA EMSLIE Montpelier, Vt. "Fair" Radcliffe Freshmen Show What the Well Dressed College Girl Should Wear MISS MARTHA MARTIN Philadelphia .... PAUL MANDEL WEDS SHEILA REID EMSLIE New York Times - Aug 21, 1956 ... of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas B. Emslie of Montpelier, Vt., became the bride yeterday morning of Paul William Mandel, son of Mr. and Mrs. H. Robert Mandel of 201 West Sixteenth Street..... BOOK ON MANAGEMENT; H. Robert Mandel Is Author of Volume... New York Times - Oct 16, 1938 Real Estate Management is the title of a new book by H. Robert Mandel, vice president of the Chelsea Management Corporation, just published by the Realty REAL ESTATE NOTES New York Times - May 24, 1945 H. Robert Mandel, president of Abbott Adams, Inc., testified as an expert for the city and Harry Zamore was attorney. LA Kissling acted as expert for the relator REAL ESTATE NOTES New York Times - Jun 8, 1946 H. Robert Mandel, president of Abbott Adams, Inc., appeared as expert for the city and Eugene Moses of Braislin, Porter Baldwin, Inc., was real estate expert for Broker Is Elected Head Of Abbott Realty Fund New York Times - Aug 23, 1962 Broker Is Elected Head Of Abbott Realty Fund H. Robert Mandel The Abbott Realty Fund, Inc., a national realty investment company, has elected H. Robert . Public Housing Backed; Realtors Say Only Government Can... New York Times - Mar 21, 1964 DANIEL A. BRENER,J. CLARENCE DAVIES Jr.,H. ROBERT MANDEL,ADRIAN H . PHILLIPS,RICHARD RAVITCH,ALEXANDER RAPPAPORT,DAVID TISHMAN. City Does Much Business With Just a Few Appraisers New York Times - Jul 22, 1977 Three real-estate appraisers who share office space have received more than $1 million in fees in the last three years by acting as expert witnesses for the city in So...the son of a man who has been deceased 48 years bitches about reaction on the internet to his father's 50 years old article. I am more irritated than he is. I want answers, accountability, he wants the same thing his father was working toward.... shutting down discussion and investigation. I could care less about alleged associated mysterious deaths or about CIA involvement. It is undisputed that the corporation Peter Mandel's father and mother were employed by had purchased the Zapruder film on 23 November, 1963, and that David W. Mandel wrote an article for release less than two weeks later, drawing directly from information viewable in the frames of the Zapruder film. Problems are that the corporation, Time-Life, Inc., purported to be a journalistic and publication holding company of several, integrated branches, bought the Zapruder film and the exclusive rights to it, not with the intent to make it widely available for viewing by the public, but for the opposite intent, to suppress most of it and to exclusively "interpret" segments of it, as Paul W. Mandel was doing as he wrote a description of what it showed and what it meant, in Life Magazine's first week of December, 1963, issue. If you believe successful, influential people make their own breaks, and luck does not figure much into the equation, consider this time line.: Personality: A Colonel Upholds Autonomy; Henry Crown Heads... New York Times - Feb 21, 1960 Henry Crown of Chicago's Material Service Corporation is a man who started ... of building materials, was merged into the General Dynamics Corporation six weeks ago... "with General Dynamics I hope to become interested in their situation purely as a di- rector, not as an officer. I'll continue to operate Material Service. I have no plans for it other than to continue building the company. It now is an au- tonomous operation of General Dynamics. "Nothing has changed as a result of the merger except that we have three directors on the General Dynamics eighteen-man board. For our stock in Ma- terial Service we have received a preference issue of General Dynamics that eventually can be converted into a 16 percent common stock interest." HOTEL MAN IN NEW POST; Hoy Becoming President of Material... New York Times - Mar 31, 1960 His appointment was announced jointly yesterday by Frank Pace Jr., chairman of General Dynamics, and Henry Crown, chairman of Material Service. Mr. Hoy had been scheduled to move to New York as presi-j dent of Zeckendorf Hotels Corporation, which recently acquired the Sherman and Ambassador' Hotels. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13835&p=240254 One common trait of both LCN and Richard Cain was ambitious compulsion to over reach. Did the Chicago outfit obtain and defend the TFX contract award, and did they get inside the WC through Earl Warren, Tom Clark, Howard Willens, Albert Jenner, Jr., et al? I submit the strong suspicion that Richard Cain knew the answers to some of these questions better than anyone outside of the Chicago Outfit's highest echelon. Cain even claimed an association with Life Magazine. ................................................................. Displaying two of the seven pages.: Highlights: (Richard Cain is also involved in the "investigation".) It begins with mobsters talking about the first paragraph of the above article, related to White and the dismissed drunken driving charge. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=136523&relPageId=2 Or....: http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6176/6191263194_9b48b0d708_b.jpg Sid Korshak is instructed to contact Pat Hoy, General Dynamics V.P. to contact the Hilton and instruct employees there not to cooperate with the investigation.: Crown's Material Service Corp. was a worthless shell. Crown immediately brought in Chicago mob affiliated Patrick Hoy, an executive with no experience related to his new responsibilities, and Frank Pace gave his approval. Frank Pace was married to the sister of the personnel director of the CIA, Wistar Janney. 'Tom Scully', on 15 Dec 2011 - 05:53 AM, said: Only one, oh really? https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=783 Frank Pace Jr. Joins Time Inc. Directors Hartford Courant - Apr 25, 1960 Frank Pace Jr., chairman ot the board and chief executive officer ot General Dynamics ... A joint announcement from Time Inc. Editor-in-Chief Henry R. Luce and. ... https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=783 Luce Aides: 'No Drastic Changes'; 3 He Picked to Run Empire... New York Times - Mar 6, 1967 Luce last Monday, the day before he died in Phoenix, Ariz. ... Paul G. Hoffman, Samuel Meek, Maurice T. Moore and Frank Pace Jr. ' Mr. Luce, who was also on . https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=781 Evidence Implies Order Expected by Dynamics Hartford Courant - Nov 21, 1963 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate probers produced evidence Wednesday that a top executive of the General Dynamics Corp., claimed "reasonably strong indications" far in advance that the firm would win the huge, disputed TFX warplane... tract. Frank Pace, who has since resigned, was named as the . Deputy Secretary of Defense Roswell L. Gilpatric, testifying before the Senate Investigations subcommittee, swor he had no idea where Pace could have received such information. Former Legal Adviser Gilpatric is a former legal adviser to General Dynamics whose role in the TFX contract negotiations is under senatorial fire. He described Pacej as his close friend. Earlier in the day. Chairman John L. McClellan. D-Ark., told Gilpatric that he should have disqualified himself from having anything to do with the contract award, to avoid any possible allegations of conflict of in-i terest. I The subcommittee is investi-. gation whether favoritism' steered the contract to General Dynamics last December. Gilpatric and others in the Defense Department's civilian command overruled military I evaluations that a rival design and bid by the Boeing Co. of Seattle promised a better, cheaper version. Costly Project The Pentagon estimates the TFX project will cost between $5 billion and $7.5 billion. This would make it the largest in Pentagon history . I The subcommittee produced a! document dated "July 1961" in! which Pace, top official of Gen-; eral Dynamics' Fort Worth, \ Tex., division, told its top management: "There are reasonably strong indications that Fort Worth's proposed -: ration offers the only approach] that can satisfy both Air Force and Navy requirements" for (or the TFX. ! McClellan said this was "a, month and seven days" before the Pentagon had even complet-1 ed a statement of design re-! " Where," he demanded, "was the source of these reasonably strong indications? .......................................... http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=%22McClellan+contended+Gilpatric+had+left+an+earlier+impression+that+the+merger+*%22&btnG=Search+Books#hl=en&ds=n&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=general+dynamics+%22maurice+t.+moore%22&cp=17&qe=Z2VuZXJhbCBkeW5hbWljcyAibWF1cmljZSB0LiBtb29yZSI&qesig=MVZqi8ETaZ7waIiqZW8U8w&pkc=AFgZ2tnBF3WR7Tzl75v4b5c80PF4WJAXFu4zKgiWK7Zt9IWuRLsx-yxdntPPihIUy7jsk1d-6tbbmE7mbjs2fNKqKHaoD5fCzg&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Car%3A1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=general+dynamics+%22maurice+t.+moore%22&pbx=1&fp=537f1e892d64f77a # New Director Named By General Dynamics $3.95 - New York Times - Jan 7, 1963 Maurice T. Moore, special counsel to the executive committee of the General Dynamics Corporation's board of directors, has been elected a director of tha ... TFX Inquiry Gets Hotter Pay-Per-View - Wall Street Journal - Mar 21, 1963 In the case of General Dynamics. for example, the Cravath tom advises on certain ... Maurice T. Moore of the taw firm said Mr. Gilpatnc hadn't any financial ... ... McClellan, Gilpatric Clash in TFX... - Chicago Tribune all 26 news articles » http://www.google.co...11449ec20a1000f Business week: Issues 1783-1790 1963 - The subcommittee also brought out that Gilpatric personally chose Maurice T. Moore to take over the General Dynamics account when he left the law firm. Moore became a director of General Dynamics shortly after the TFX contract was... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18364&p=238310 http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IJtFAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d7wMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6863,3052138&dq=gilpatric+leave+of+absence&hl=en Claim Gilpatric Should Have Disqualified Self The Telegraph-Herald - Nov 18, 1963 ...When Gilpatric, deputy sec-retary of defense claimed that attorney general Robert F. Kennedy's Justice Department said he was not involved in a violation of the law, McClellan snapped: "They cleared Korth, too." unquote http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=gilpatric+material+service&btnG=Search+Books Lions in the street: the inside story of the great Wall Street law firms - Page 14 Paul Hoffman - Law - 1973 - 244 pages Gilpatric himself had an office in General Dynamics' headquarters in Rockefeller Center and had advised the company on its acquisition of Material Services ... Stanley C. Vance - 1968 - 261 pages - Snippet view allegation of collusive action by pointing out that one of Gilpat- rick's former law partners, Maurice T. Moore, became a director of General Dynamics a month after the Defense Department gave the TFX contract to the corporation... What changed between the third week of November, 1963, and the middle of December that resulted in the prospects of two Time-Life directors and a Defense Contractor tycoon looking so dramatically brighter? http://www.google.com/#q=tfx+ended&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,cd_min:1963,cd_max:1963,cdr:1&prmd=ivns&source=lnt&fp=537f1e892d64f77a TFX Inquiry Seems Ended as McClellan Delays Hearings... - New York Times - Dec 15, 1963 It now appears likely that Senator McClellan may end the investigation with one or ... Dynamics plans to do most o! the TFX production work) at its Convair . ... http://hosted.ap.org...ford/ford03.PDF Ford reported to DeLoach that at a top-secret meeting of the commission held on December 16, 1963 the commission’s general counsel, J.Lee Rankin, had been empowered to retain to “so-called technicians.” The two who were under consideration were Francis W.H. Adams, a former New York City police commissioner, and Albert E. Jenner, Jr., a Chicago lawyer. Ford, the documents disclose, could only remember the last names of the two men. The FBI then began an investigation to determine who “Adams” and “Jenner” were. DeLoach, who was the number three man in the FBI, ranking just uner Hoover and his friende Clyde Tolson, reported, “I told Congressman Ford in strict confidence that apparently Chief Justice Warren was quite close to Drew Pearson (a leading syndicated columnist) and obviously used Pearson from time to time to get his thoughts across as the percentage of the facts in the articles that were absolutely false.” Henry Crown's / General Dynamic's attorney Albert E. Jenner, Jr. was now also positioned to minimize any risk from the possible investigation of any of several facets of General Dynamics' Industrial Security Manager, I.B. Hale, his wife, Virgnina, and his son, Robert. Tom Clark's law clerk in the 1956 SCOTUS term was Henry Crown's son, John. In 1963, John Crown was in his fourth year at Jenner's law firm. Tom Clark signed off on Jenner's appointment to the WC by Earl Warren. Tom Clark's sister-in-law, Mary Ann Collins was the sister of Jack Ruby supporter, Hal Collins. No speculation in this post, about mysterious deaths or any of the other excuses described in Peter Mandel's Huff Post complaints. Only reports of privileged people who experienced almost instant reversals of fortune after the Assassination of JFK and the Time-Life purchase of the Zapruder film and the subsequent exploitation of the images on its film frames. Edited May 22, 2013 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Gallup Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 In the New York Times a few days after the assassination, Kemp Clark is quoted as saying that Kennedy was struck by 2 bullets, and he specifically mentions one bullet that entered the throat ,"ranged downward and did not exit." This corroborated Perry's thrice mentioning that the throat wound was one of entrance at the Parkland press conference. Mandel might have been referencing Clark's remarks and took them as gospel, at least so far as the throat wound was concerned. He may have then reasoned that Kennedy must have been turned around to receive the throat wound, since he also took as gospel that all shots were fired from the sixth floor. IF MANDEL REGARDED BOTH ASSUMPTIONS AS TRUE-- AND AT THAT EARLY TIME AFTER THE ASSASSINATION ONE COULD HARDLY BLAME HIM FOR THAT--WHAT ELSE would he be EXPECTED TO SAY? So far as the head shot, if he assumed the shot came from the sixth floor, then he is reading into the Parkland testimony a meaning not present in any of the contemporaneous record; he may have simply deduced that the doctors must have believed that because, well, the shots came from behind. All this is a bit slippery of him, but who would know at that early date how convoluted this case would become? He did get his hand caught in the cookie jar, but the anomalies of the case weren't understood when he wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I agree, Daniel, that Mandel was trying to make the statements of the Parkland witnesses fit the widespread belief (at least among the media) that three shots were fired--all from the sniper's nest. What you seem to miss, along with Mandel's son, is that he made these claims AFTER studying the Zapruder film. That's right, he claimed the Zapruder film SHOWED Kennedy turn around in his seat and face the school book depository before the first shot. And that's absolute hooey. Such hooey, in fact, that it seems certain that Mandel either 1) did not actually study the film, or 2) deliberately lied about the contents of the film. Most researchers suspect 2. The question is WHY? And who put him up to it. I have my own suspicions... Mandel wasn't, after all, the first to claim Kennedy turned his head mid-shooting. From patspeer.com, chapter 1: Another 11-23 UPI article would prove even more confusing in light of subsequent developments. This article attempted to clarify the president's wounds by announcing "An authoritative White House source said one bullet entered Kennedy's head and another penetrated the 'neck and chest.' The source said White House officials did not know until this morning about the second wound." This is more than a bit strange. The wound discovered at the autopsy was a small back wound. The existence of this wound would have been brought to the attention of the White House after the autopsy was completed that morning. While Dr. Humes and his autopsy team had reportedly been unaware of the throat wound described the day before until making a phone call this morning, there is no reason to believe he turned around and called the White House to report his belated knowledge of a wound mentioned in all the morning papers. The neck wound in the story would therefore appear to be a reference to the back wound discovered at the autopsy. Since the Warren Commission would also come to misrepresent this back wound as a "neck" wound, and as this first misrepresentation of the back wound as a neck wound came from an "authoritative White House source" it's not unreasonable to suspect this migration of the wound came under direction of the White House. The use of the word "penetrated," however, implies the bullet did not exit, and since the only entrance mentioned at the press conference the day before was the throat wound, the article implies to its readers, regardless of the White House or FBI's intentions in leaking the story, that the bullet entered Kennedy's throat and continued down into his chest, and that the shot came from the front. Who was this "White House source?" An 11-24 UPI article (found in the Dallas Times Herald) helps clarify the confusing article from the day before. This article, apparently based on the the same 11-23 conversation, states "President Kennedy was shot twice yesterday by an assassin, White House sources said yesterday. First reports said the president was killed by one bullet. It was learned today that the information given the White House was that two bullets entered Kennedy's body. Staff doctors at Parkland Hospital in Dallas said only that the sniper's bullet pierced the mid-section of the front part of his neck and emerged from the top of the skull. White House sources said they understood that one bullet hit Kennedy in the neck area. He bent forward, turned his head and was struck in the skull by the second bullet." This confirms that these "White House sources" knew nothing of the back wound, and were revealing only that the President had been hit twice, and not once, a distinction left open by Dr.s Perry and Clark at the 11-22 Parkland press conference. These articles are nevertheless interesting in that they suggest the shots came from in front of Kennedy (why else mention that Kennedy turned his head before the head shot other than to explain how a wound on the back of his head could have been caused by someone firing from in front of him?) well after it was apparent to others that, at the precise moment the shots were fired, Oswald's workplace was behind Kennedy. Scratch that. The juxtaposition of the Parkland claim the throat wound was an entrance wound with the description of the shooting by "White House sources" created the appearance the "White House sources" also believed the shot came from the front. When they quite possibly did not. An 11-23 penned article in the 11-24 Los Angeles Herald-Examiner by Warren Rogers also presents the views of these "sources." It relates: "A White House source said it appeared the President was slain by two bullets, instead of one as originally reported. This source said one bullet entered Kennedy's head and, as he turned, the other penetrated his neck and chest." Well, I'll be. This White House source was claiming the first shot hit Kennedy in the back of the head, while the one talking to UPI had said the first shot hit him in the front of the neck. Hmmm... It seems quite possible from this that they were in fact the same source, and that this source had no insight on the shot sequence, but was simply stressing to its media contacts that having an entrance wound in Kennedy's throat and entrance wound on the back of his head DID NOT mean there were two shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kingsbury Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 So is this thread about a lie or supporting the authenticity of the Zfilm?. I.e the limo stopped Chaney rode forward JFK turned backwards Just in case Mr Mandela Jr is tuned in!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Gallup Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I agree, Daniel, that Mandel was trying to make the statements of the Parkland witnesses fit the widespread belief (at least among the media) that three shots were fired--all from the sniper's nest. What you seem to miss, along with Mandel's son, is that he made these claims AFTER studying the Zapruder film. That's right, he claimed the Zapruder film SHOWED Kennedy turn around in his seat and face the school book depository before the first shot. And that's absolute hooey. Such hooey, in fact, that it seems certain that Mandel either 1) did not actually study the film, or 2) deliberately lied about the contents of the film. Most researchers suspect 2. The question is WHY? And who put him up to it. I have my own suspicions... Mandel wasn't, after all, the first to claim Kennedy turned his head mid-shooting. From patspeer.com, chapter 1: Another 11-23 UPI article would prove even more confusing in light of subsequent developments. This article attempted to clarify the president's wounds by announcing "An authoritative White House source said one bullet entered Kennedy's head and another penetrated the 'neck and chest.' The source said White House officials did not know until this morning about the second wound." This is more than a bit strange. The wound discovered at the autopsy was a small back wound. The existence of this wound would have been brought to the attention of the White House after the autopsy was completed that morning. While Dr. Humes and his autopsy team had reportedly been unaware of the throat wound described the day before until making a phone call this morning, there is no reason to believe he turned around and called the White House to report his belated knowledge of a wound mentioned in all the morning papers. The neck wound in the story would therefore appear to be a reference to the back wound discovered at the autopsy. Since the Warren Commission would also come to misrepresent this back wound as a "neck" wound, and as this first misrepresentation of the back wound as a neck wound came from an "authoritative White House source" it's not unreasonable to suspect this migration of the wound came under direction of the White House. The use of the word "penetrated," however, implies the bullet did not exit, and since the only entrance mentioned at the press conference the day before was the throat wound, the article implies to its readers, regardless of the White House or FBI's intentions in leaking the story, that the bullet entered Kennedy's throat and continued down into his chest, and that the shot came from the front. Who was this "White House source?" An 11-24 UPI article (found in the Dallas Times Herald) helps clarify the confusing article from the day before. This article, apparently based on the the same 11-23 conversation, states "President Kennedy was shot twice yesterday by an assassin, White House sources said yesterday. First reports said the president was killed by one bullet. It was learned today that the information given the White House was that two bullets entered Kennedy's body. Staff doctors at Parkland Hospital in Dallas said only that the sniper's bullet pierced the mid-section of the front part of his neck and emerged from the top of the skull. White House sources said they understood that one bullet hit Kennedy in the neck area. He bent forward, turned his head and was struck in the skull by the second bullet." This confirms that these "White House sources" knew nothing of the back wound, and were revealing only that the President had been hit twice, and not once, a distinction left open by Dr.s Perry and Clark at the 11-22 Parkland press conference. These articles are nevertheless interesting in that they suggest the shots came from in front of Kennedy (why else mention that Kennedy turned his head before the head shot other than to explain how a wound on the back of his head could have been caused by someone firing from in front of him?) well after it was apparent to others that, at the precise moment the shots were fired, Oswald's workplace was behind Kennedy. Scratch that. The juxtaposition of the Parkland claim the throat wound was an entrance wound with the description of the shooting by "White House sources" created the appearance the "White House sources" also believed the shot came from the front. When they quite possibly did not. An 11-23 penned article in the 11-24 Los Angeles Herald-Examiner by Warren Rogers also presents the views of these "sources." It relates: "A White House source said it appeared the President was slain by two bullets, instead of one as originally reported. This source said one bullet entered Kennedy's head and, as he turned, the other penetrated his neck and chest." Well, I'll be. This White House source was claiming the first shot hit Kennedy in the back of the head, while the one talking to UPI had said the first shot hit him in the front of the neck. Hmmm... It seems quite possible from this that they were in fact the same source, and that this source had no insight on the shot sequence, but was simply stressing to its media contacts that having an entrance wound in Kennedy's throat and entrance wound on the back of his head DID NOT mean there were two shooters. Thanks Pat for the additional citations--most interesting indeed. I would have liked to think that Mandel never really studied the Z-fim, that is, option 1. If he had studied the film and told a whopper, it must have been his conviction that the film would never be made public, and he could therefore say anything he wanted about it. Also, just read Paul Rigby's post on the related thread -- a magnificent gathering of information and analysis. Yes Pat, it seems incontrovertible that Mandel saw the film, and adjusted his remarks to harmonize with the Dallas' observations with regard to the neck wound. Edited May 22, 2013 by Daniel Gallup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Paul Mandel is accountable for the garbage that he wrote about a critical piece of evidence in the JFK assassination. The LBJ-CIA governmental murderers of John Kennedy had to camouflage that John Kennedy was shot twice from the front - once in his throat and the head kill shot to his front right temple. They were trying to blame it all on Oswald who was *supposed* to be sitting in a sniper's nest 88 yards to the rear in the TSBD. So Paul Mandel's son Peter wants to whine in Huffington Post that JFK researchers find his father's work to be absurd and an enabling factor in the cover up of the JFK assassination. LIFE Magazine on 11/22/63, with RFK’s assistance, was preparing a story with a SWAT team of reporters that would have knocked LBJ out of the vice presidency and maybe into jail. LIFE Magazine on 11/24/63 was pretty much immediately beginning the cover up of the JFK assassination by buying the rights to the Zapruder Film, sitting on it, and hiding the fact that JFK’s head was getting knocked backward from a front right head kill shot. You ought to read what LIFE did after the Warren Report was released in September 1964 and they broke the plates on their presses twice to make 3 different issues to get the propaganda and photos just right. Read: “JFK: How the Media Assassinated the Real Story” By Robert Hennelly and Jerry Policoff. Scroll down to the section about LIFE. http://www.ctka.net/policoff.html “But it is not the articles in that edition of Life that are so extraordinary, but the pictures, and the pains that were taken to rework them so they fit the Warren report perfectly. The October 2, 1964, issue underwent two major revisions after it hit the stands, expensive changes that required breaking and resetting plates twice, a highly unusual occurrence.” Edited May 22, 2013 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Then, I return to my question: Why did his son not to do some research first on the subject instead of attacking those goofy Conspiracy Theorists, who happen to be exactly right about his. Maybe the son is not just a writer of children's books, as the byline says he is. I didn't read the article as an attack, FWIW. It was more like a call for peace. Peter Mandel was disturbed to find that his long-dead father has been implicated in some conspiracy theories. He apparently thinks (or wants to believe) these theories are groundless. But he didn't insinuate or claim that everyone holding these theories is mentally ill, etc, or should be shunned, a la some of the rave reviews of Bugliosi's book. He just said we should all move on. I took the opportunity to add to the story in the comments sections, as did David Lifton. The article, in total, if one reads the comments, then, presents a relatively balanced discussion of a son asking people to leave his dead father alone, and researchers explaining why this is so hard to do. And that's about as much as we can hope for from the Huffington Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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