Lee Harvey Oswald and Gerry Hemming Options

[John Simkin]

According to a CIA memo written by Marguerite D. Stephens, Lee Harvey Oswald's CIA file was numbered MS-11165. We know that other American defectors had similar numbers: Joseph Dutkanicz (MS-10724), Vladimir Sloboda (MS-10565) and Libero Ricciardelli (MS-8295). However, another American defector, Robert E. Webster, had the number: EE-18854. Gerry Patrick Hemming had the number EE-29229.

Does anyone know what MS or EE stand for?

[Jack White]

According to a CIA memo written by Marguerite D. Stephens, Lee Harvey Oswald's CIA file was numbered MS-11165. We know that other American defectors had similar numbers: Joseph Dutkanicz (MS-10724), Vladimir Sloboda (MS-10565) and Libero Ricciardelli (MS-8295). However, another American defector, Robert E. Webster, had the number: EE-18854. Gerry Patrick Hemming had the number EE-29229.

Does anyone know what MS or EE stand for?

Please clarify...do you suggest that Hemming was a defector?

Jack

[John Simkin]

Please clarify...do you suggest that Hemming was a defector?

No, but he might be able to tell us what he has in common with Robert E. Webster.

John Newman suggests that MS stands for military service. However, as Gerry was a former marine, why did he not get a MS number.

[James Richards]

John,

I don't know if this is in the context of the numbers assigned, but MS does stand for Military Support. It was assigned by Department of Defense officials who ran Military Intelligence training. The numbers were carried over after assignment.

The EE prefix was designated to Security Files. I don't know if it stood for anything.

FWIW.

James

[John Simkin]

I don't know if this is in the context of the numbers assigned, but MS does stand for Military Support. It was assigned by Department of Defense officials who ran Military Intelligence training. The numbers were carried over after assignment.

The EE prefix was designated to Security Files. I don't know if it stood for anything.

According to John Newman's "Oswald and the CIA" the CIA have always refused to explain what MS and EE stand for.

[John Simkin]

In John Newman’s book, Oswald and the CIA, he argues that there is a close connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and Gerry Hemming. Newman quotes a document in Hemmings’s CIA Office of Security file as saying that he “served in Japan with a U.S. Marine Air Wing”. The only Marine Air Wing that served in Japan was Marine Air Squadron One (MACS-1). This squadron based in Atsugi was the same one that Oswald served in.

Gerry Hemming denies he served in Japan and according to Newman (page 101) he claims he was in the Third Marine Air Wing in Hawaii. As far as I know, the Marine Corps have never released Gerry’s entire service record.

In a 1976 CIA internal memo it states “Gerald Patrick Hemming is well known to this Agency, the Office of Security Miami Field Office, and JMWAVE. On numerous occasions since at least the early 1960s, Hemming has claimed Agency affiliation when in fact there had been none… Gerald Patrick Hemming is a long-time cohort of Frank Anthony Sturgis (SF353459), aka Frank Fiorini, of Watergate notoriety who also has a long-time record of falsely claiming Agency affiliation.”

A 1977 CIA Security Office memo states: “The Office of Security file concerning Hemming which is replete with information possibly linking Hemming and his cohorts to Oswald”.

Another 1977 CIA memo points out that: “Extensive testimony contained in the Warren Commission hearings by Oswald’s fellow Marines at Santa Ana contain a theme that Oswald was interested in going to Cuba to join Castro (upon his discharge) in early 1959 and that in early 1959 Oswald allegedly made some contact with the Cuban Consul’s Office in Los Angeles.”

In an article published in Argosy (April, 1976) Gerry Hemming is reported as saying in an interview: “I ran into Oswald in Los Angeles in 1959, when he showed up at the Cuban Consulate. The coordinator of the 26th of July Movement called me aside and said a Marine officer had shown up, intimating that he was prepared to desert and go to Cuba to become a revolutionary.” Gerry was asked: “What was your impression of him? Was he sincere? He replied: “I thought he was a penetrator (of pro-Castro forces). I told the 26th of July leadership to get rid of him. I thought he was on the Naval Intelligence payroll at the time.”

In another part of the interview Gerry said that he believed Oswald was a patsy. It would be interesting to know if Gerry still feels Oswald was a patsy.

[John Simkin]

The release of FBI files has revealed that they had an informer within Interpen. His code name was MM T-1. In one document dated 16th June, 1961, said the person had “been connected with Cuban revolutionary activities for the past three years”. One document dated 12th May, 1961, claims that Allen Lushane of Miami “had made a trip to Texas to recruit Americans for some future military action against the Government of Cuba”. The document adds that the “first training camp was established by Gerald Patrick Hemming with Dick Watley and Ed Colby running the camp.”

In an interview that he gave to John Newman on 6th January, 1995, Hemming claims that this informer was Justin Joseph “Steve” Wilson.

Does anyone know anything about Allen Lushane?

[John Simkin]

The release of FBI files has revealed that they had an informer within Interpen. His code name was MM T-1. In one document dated 16th June, 1961, said the person had “been connected with Cuban revolutionary activities for the past three years”. One document dated 12th May, 1961, claims that Allen Lushane of Miami “had made a trip to Texas to recruit Americans for some future military action against the Government of Cuba”. The document adds that the “first training camp was established by Gerald Patrick Hemming with Dick Watley and Ed Colby running the camp.”

In an interview that he gave to John Newman on 6th January, 1995, Hemming claims that this informer was Justin Joseph “Steve” Wilson.

Does anyone know anything about Allen Lushane?

Is it true that the “first training camp was established by Gerald Patrick Hemming with Dick Watley and Ed Colby running the camp.”

Was Steve Wilson really a FBI spy?

[Thomas Graves]

[...] Was Steve Wilson really a FBI spy?

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Interesting question, John.

I haven't read Larry Hancock's "Someone Would Have Talked" yet, but his website has some interesting photos of Steve Wilson juxtaposed next to photos of LHO so that one can see the strong facial resemblence between them. I think Larry is suggesting that Wilson might have been impersonated Oswald at some time or other... Interesting.

--Thomas

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[James Richards]

Was Steve Wilson really a FBI spy? (John Simkin)

I do indeed think that Wilson was reporting to the FBI.

According to this document below, he wasn't the only one.

James

[Thomas Graves]

[quote name='James Richards' post='98937' date='Apr 4 2007, 10:18 PM']Was Steve Wilson really a FBI spy? (John Simkin)

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(I just realized that GPH lives just 1821 miles from me. (John Simkin, would you please please please delete my photo?) LOL

--Thomas

P.S. If any of you on the Forum find the memorandum that James posted a bit confusing, as did, just take the time to google "Steven I Kuhn"......


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[Thomas Graves]

[quote name='Thomas Graves' post='98978' date='Apr 5 2007, 04:43 AM'][quote name='James Richards' post='98937' date='Apr 4 2007, 10:18 PM']Was Steve Wilson really a FBI spy? (John Simkin)

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(I just realized that GPH lives just 1821 miles from me. (John Simkin, would you please please please delete my photo?) LOL

--Thomas

P.S. If any of you on the Forum find the memorandum that James posted a bit confusing, as did, just take the time to google "Steven I Kuhn"......


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OK now chillin', let's do da bump-de-bump! Here we goes now.....

Damn, don't anyone wanna dance???

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