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#16 Myra Bronstein

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 08:15 PM

Wow, this is a helluvan article Peter. It ties together so much. Thank you!

Ok, here's a quickie messy timeline of 70's-80's Flynt era events as I understand them (liberally plagiarizing anyone and everyone):

Early 70’s--The Realist magazine along with another hard hitting article linking the Symbionese Liberation Army to government/private mind control operations/MK Ultra. Lyndon Larouche's researchers also published a lot of frightening stuff in this early '70s period about these synthetic radical groups that very much coincides with Mae's research. Imagine who put up the significant amount of money for these articles to be researched and written by Mae and published in The Realist? John Lennon.

1972 to 1974--Watergate

November, 1975--1970's and the 1980's--Congressman Larry McDonald was the one who spearheaded the efforts against the Bush version of the New World Order. In 1976 he wrote the introduction to the "Rockefeller File", a book exposing the Rockefeller' financial holdings and secret intentions. The book supposedly revealed that the Rockefeller had as many as two hundred trusts and foundation type organizations, and that the actual number of such foundations controlled by the family might well number into the thousands. Such control IS possible because Rockefeller banks, such as Chase Manhattan, have become the trustees for many other U.S. foundations as well; possessing the right to invest and to vote the capital and common stock of these institutions--through the trust department of the bank.

McDonald did everything in his power to warn the American public. However, as usual, the attempt was to no avail. He stated unequivocally, that the Rockefeller intended to control "--first our own country, and then the world!" He went on to state. "Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, yes I do. I am convinced there is a plot, national and international." McDonald's warning was written on legal congressional letterhead and was dated November, 1975. During the ensuing years, frustrated by the media's refusal to report his findings, he began, like others, to take his message to the streets by speaking out against these forces publicly to anyone who would listen to him.

1978--The CIA was in a nervous state in 1978 because of the House Select Committee's investigations; all the spooks needed was some minor character in the conspiracy to surface and take Larry Flynt’s million dollar bait.

February 17, 1978--Enquirer had a large story about a Flynt press conference announcing his search for absolution to the JFK assassination. This article featured a photo of Flynt standing next to Robert Groden.

March 6, 1978—Larry Flynt and attorney shot, Flynt paralyzed

November 18, 1978--Leo Joseph Ryan, Jr., US Representative killed in Guyana shortly before the Jonestown Massacre. Famous for vocal criticism of the judicial excess of the CIA, authoring the Hughes-Ryan Amendment, which would have required extensive CIA notification of Congress about planned covert operations. Shortly after his death, the Amendment was quietly dropped. Ryan was also an early critic of L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientology movement and of the Unification Church of Sun Myung Moon.

Note: Mark Lane barely escaped death in Guyana.

Dec 8, 1980—Peace activist and truth funder John Lennon murdered before war-profiteers Bush/Reagan were inaugurated. (Oh, happy anniversary John…)

Early 80’s--Larry Flynt's Hustler magazine began sporting hard hitting and serious investigative anti-conspiracy journalism in its pages. Larry Flynt came into orbit with researcher Mae Brussell after she contacted him and explained who the personnel involved in the failed assassination attempt against him were which put Flynt permanently in a wheelchair.

1983, Flynt offered Brussell her own magazine, The Rebel, so she could get exposure outside of Hustler

Nov 22/83--The Rebel debuted. Flynt was essentially exposing the Iran Contra players three years before such a phrase existed and the ties of the present White House to the global fascist cartels and the victors and plotters of the Kennedy assassination.

The Reagan-Bush Whitehouse team sized Flynt up as a real threat and so trusty assets G Gordon Liddy and Gordon Novel dispatched themselves upon Larry's empire.

How did Novel get an in with Flynt? Allegedly by supplying him with covertly taken photographs of Republican congressman Larry MacDonald having sex with a woman other than his wife. Flynt published them in Hustler along with a lewd variation on "Old MacDonald Had A Farm."

Now, back to Gordon Novel and G Gordon Liddy. Could you imagine that Flynt has these two hanging out with him at his house and eating with him while working with Mae Brussell who had been exposing Liddy and Novel for years as dangerous operatives on behalf of the military industrial complex she and Flynt were hoping to resist? Mae repeatedly warned Flynt to "get these people out of your house." Flynt, a self-made man, thought he could handle them. After it was all over he admitted: "Mae, you were right, I never should have let these guys in."

After Liddy and Novel departed, Larry Flynt was almost vegetable, his wife dead from AIDS, and Hustler purged of its investigative articles and writing team and Rebel eliminated from existence altogether.

August 31, 1983—Larry McDonald's courageous efforts came to an abrupt end when he was killed aboard the Korean Airliner 007 flight, which "accidentally" strayed over Soviet airspace and was "accidentally" shot down.

He was on his way to the World Anti-Communist League meeting in South Korea, Senator Jesse Helms and 34 others in the delegation took one flight to the meeting, Larry was placed all alone on another flight: KAL 007, which was blown up in mid air when it intentionally entered Soviet airspace for two and a half hours as the pilot was instructed to do and was subsequently blown up. The pilot's wife doubled his life insurance policy just before the flight after he warned her that he was doing a risky flight. "

By early '84, Rebel was no more.--Mae said they'd given Flynt painkillers that fucked his judgement up and made him want to jump from an airplane to his death to protest the New York Times' refusal to let him buy a full page carrying his view of the KAL 007 disaster. Advertisers naturally wouldn't touch Rebel.


(Andy, I LOVE the operation of the bold function since the upgrade. Thank you! So much easier.)

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 08:21 PM

Premier issue....


Peter! Thank you!
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Ok, I can't stand it. I wanna see the contents. Peter, I'd be happy to pay for all expenses if there is any way you could get all the magazines, cover and contents, scanned for us. I understand if it's not feasible for you though...

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 10:20 PM

Myra, If you've only been working on these 'sorts' of things since 9-11, your going to be a force to deal with [in a positive way] in a few years...! Welcome to the Old Hands Who See All (they wish were not there to see) Club. Entry painful. No exit, until the Revolution.

On your request for the rest of the Rebel articles....they are not physically where I am, so would have to search internet for them...will try....but think not...anyone else have them at hand? Even most good libraries don't have them as Rebel only made it for four issues...but every single issue was a blockbuster...and they busted his block for it!

..and by the bye...Jonestown had its CIA mind-control connections IMO


Thanks Peter. I've actually been at it since the 2000 coup when the fascists didn't even bother to pretend it was a democracy. But 911 was just as blatant. I was friggen astounded that anyone bought it and failed to see the Reichstag burning in Manhattan. Well, at that point it also became obvious why the goosesteppers want to insure a bad education for one and all, especially in history.

Ok then. Let's all search the internet for The Rebel material. And ebay. If anyone finds stuff please share.

Yeah, I think the CIA was all over Jonestown. Gee, wouldn't a socialist commune make the US look bad, esp if they relocated to Russia as planned? But I can't find a decent book on it. I'm not even that impressed with Mark Lane's book, though I do find his premise that Jones was bonkers by that time and had everyone murdered believable. And then there's some other book on it, don't recall the title, that totally trashes Lane. Forget that one.

But Leo Ryan, arch enemy of the CIA, murdered in Guyana after the state department repeatedly assured him it was safe to go there? Puh-leeze.

HEY! Look what I just found!
http://en.wikipedia....nestown_Carnage
The Jonestown Carnage: a CIA Crime Godamn right.

The January 30, 1984 issue of Rebel Magazine carried a conspiracy-related article written by Flynt himself, "Reagangate: White House Connections to the Vicki Morgan Killing." According to Flynt, high-level Reagan administration personnel relied on Alfred Bloomingdale to procure sex partners for them. But when Bloomingdale's long-time mistress, Vicki Morgan, was murdered, this reportedly opened up a potentially scandalous situation that could have put the spotlight on the Reagan Gang. Bloomingdale had allegedly placed hidden video cameras throughout his amateur brothel and these cameras had apparently caught some Washington, D.C. big shots in embarrassing postures. Attorney Robert Steinberg held a press conference where he claimed "to have seen videotapes of high-ranking Reagan administration officials sexually involved with Vicki Morgan and others." Possessing copies of some of the videos, Henry Kissinger reportedly used the potentially explosive material to blackmail his way to great power over U.S. foreign policy. Set up to take the fall for the Morgan killing was Marvin Pancoast, who Flynt thinks was an innocent patsy.

As for the depth and breadth of articles on parapolitics in Hustler:
http://www.magazine-...gazine_1985.htm


Good lord that's porn!!! :D

Thx for the link. I'd sure love to read the articles. Not at $30 a pop though.

Edited by Myra Bronstein, 08 December 2006 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2006 - 10:28 PM

...
February 17, 1978--Enquirer had a large story about a Flynt press conference announcing his search for absolution to the JFK assassination. This article featured a photo of Flynt standing next to Robert Groden.

March 6, 1978—Larry Flynt and attorney shot, Flynt paralyzed
...


Just over two weeks later. Jeez...

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 11:19 PM

One could say Larry Flynt moved in circles where things knowable could be known


Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Screw, Flynt, Luce, LSD Leary, Rosset, Olaf Palme and the Contras

Larry Flynt trial
"Briefs of amici curiae urging reversal were filed for the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation et al. by Harriette K. Dorsen, John A. Powell, and Steven R. Shapiro; for the Association of American Editorial Cartoonists et al. by Roslyn A. Mazer and George Kaufmann; for the Association of American Publishers, Inc., by R. Bruce Rich; for Home Box Office, Inc., by P. Cameron DeVore and Daniel M. Waggoner; for the Law & Humanities Institute by Edward de Grazia; for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press et al. by Jane E. Kirtley, Richard M. Schmidt, David Barr, and J. Laurent Scharff; for Richmond Newspapers, Inc., et al. by Alexander Wellford, David C. Kohler, Rodney A. Smolla, William A. Niese, Jeffrey S. Klein, W. Terry Maguire, and Slade R. Metcalf; and for Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts, Inc., by Irwin Karp and I. Fred Koenigsberg.

LSD
http://www.cyberboxi...read.php?t=2594
"In the early days, LSD, too, was an élite drug. Many people unconnected with the counterculture “experimented” with it: Henry Luce and his wife, Clare Boothe Luce, were enthusiasts. (Mrs. Luce thought that LSD ought to be kept out of the hands of ordinary people. “We wouldn’t want everyone doing too much of a good thing,” she said.) Leary administered psilocybin to the founder of Grove Press, Barney Rosset, who didn’t like it (“I pay my psychiatrist fifty dollars an hour to keep this from happening to me,” he complained). Psychedelics were tried by Lenny Bruce, Groucho Marx, and Arthur Koestler (“I solved the secret of the universe last night, but this morning I forgot what it was,” he said)."

http://free-diet.diacot6.com/5386/
"While Goldstein, over the years, has been vilified, satirized and marginalized, he has also been one of America's more complex and interesting outlaws. His brushes with the law on First Amendment issues are legendary and significant. Even though he never had a case tried before the Supreme Court, he deserves at least the same cinematic treatment as Larry Flynt , the publisher of Hustler - a magazine Goldstein inadvertently sponsored, in his telling, since Flynt repeatedly "poached my editors over the years." (Then again, "I have always considered my employees to be like Kleenex - meant to be used and discarded.") Flynt had his Hollywood moment: after winning a free-speech case before the Supreme Court, which stemmed from a legal altercation with Jerry Falwell , and getting shot and paralyzed by a would-be assassin, he earned himself a critically acclaimed 1996 biopic directed by Milos Forman. That same year Goldstein, who has consistently played second fiddle to lesser outlaws, was the subject of a mediocre documentary, "Screwed: Al Goldstein's Kingdom of Porn."

And yet when he and Jim Buckley founded Screw, nothing like it - not Hugh Hefner's Playboy or Ralph Ginzburg's Eros or Barney Rosset's Evergreen Review - had come close to addressing sex with such unvarnished candor and biting wit. Goldstein was an equal opportunity exploiter of men, women and art directors, but his raunchy humor raised the bar for porn from socially unredeemable smut to ironic social commentary. Sure, it was shocking, offensive and downright obscene - but as the motto on its early covers announced, Screw was "Best in the Field It Created."

Before founding Screw, Goldstein was a radio car driver for Walter Winchell, a photographer for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee (he was once jailed in Havana), a press photographer for Pakistan International Airlines (he accompanied Jackie Kennedy on her goodwill tour of Pakistan in 1962), and an industrial spy for a large corporation. He was also employed by the tabloid publisher of the "blood and guts" men's magazines Hush Hush News and The National Mirror. (He used his friends' names in stories with gory headlines like "Lover Shoves Icepick Up Lover's Nose.") As a respite from this sordid journalism, he approached The New York Free Press, an underground paper where I was art director, and sold us his guilt-ridden confessions of being an industrial spy, which I illustrated. He often railed about having to write such unremittingly gratuitous violence while sex, which his editors called "unmentionable acts," remained taboo. He deemed his employers "bottom-feeders" and decided to start a publication along the lines of Consumer Reports that would "detail sex, but never violence." He was also eager to experience his fair share of those unmentionable acts. And so, in 1968, Screw was born."

http://www.vnuemedia...tent_id=1878613
" "I Am Curious (Yellow)" comes with a five-minute introduction by Sjoman who reminisces about his career and explains how he came to make both films, which he calls 'parallel films.' There is a nice little nine-minute documentary about the fight over the film's distribution in the United States and how the distributors used that fight to their financial advantage. There is an additional 12-minute reminiscence by the two men spearheading that fight, lawyer Edward de Grazia and his client Barney Rosset, now both elderly but still proud of their contribution to the "crowbarring" of America's cinematic chastity belt. There are also brief text excerpts from the trial in which notable figures, such as Norman Mailer and John Simon, offer their opinion of the film's artistic worth."


"I am curious, Yellow" script
http://www.geocities...f4/curious.html
7. At the home of Olof Palme
The question leads directly to OLOF PALME, AGE 39, then MINISTER OF
TRANSPORT in the Social-Democratic government. In foreign affairs he is
known for his sharp criticism of the American role in the Vietnam war.
On domestic issues, he has been called "a fanatic about equality."

OLOF PALME
In many ways we still have some of the
characteristics of the old class system. We
have, as I think someone has said, a class
system by income, and you can see exactly why.
Rural workers have lower wages than urban
workers. Women earn less than men, and older
people less than the young. Education
perpetuates the class system. University
graduates get six to seven times more than
those who leave school and go straight to
work in the country.

Olof Palme lives in a little row house outside Stockholm. The film crew
is working in the backyard. Magnus happens to be present. He is sitting
beside Lena, which irritates Vilgot. The filming is also interrupted by
MÅRTEN (MOUSIE), AGE 5, who is banging against the wall from inside the
house.

VILGOT
(breaking off)
Come outside, Mousie! You see, if you make that
noise, it'll ruin the sound track.

The shooting has stopped. The boy crawls up onto Palme's knee. The
cameramen load the camera. Vilgot asks Palme how he became a Social
Democrat.

OLOF PALME
Well, this problem of class system in Swedish
society -- I feel very strongly about it.
That's what I've reacted against from the
beginning ...

VILGOT
What is your own background?

OLOF PALME
I come from a middle-class family. You learn a
lot through books, you observe a lot, and
suddenly it starts forming a pattern. This
happened to me sometime between the ages of
fifteen and twenty -- around the time when I
saw American society.

VILGOT
You traveled in the States? About what year was
that?

OLOF PALME
'47 to '48. I hitchhiked.

VILGOT
I see.

OLOF PALME
Thirty-four states. Three months without money.



In 1986 Olaf Palme was assassinated.

http://www.blogigo.c...-Olof-Palme/47/
Are there reasons to suspect American involvement in the Palme assassination? Yes, if you consider former CIA agents reliable sources. First, according to former CIA agent Gene 'Chip' Tatum, Palme 'was murdered on behalf of a hidden organization, the OSG, which had a certain colonel Oliver North in a leading role. North's ultimate superior was Vice President George Bush.' In early 1999, a Swedish-American investigator obtained a snippet from a 1997 interview in which Tatum 'disclosed how Palme had been set up and murdered.' (SOURCE) A short part of the interview can be heard here. That Tatum disappeared in 2000 and hasn't been heard of since seems an indication that after he left the CIA he made too many inconvenient disclosures for his own good.

Second, an Italian investigation has established that the matter was related to Iran-Contra:

'In late June-early July ... interviews with [former CIA agents Richard Brenneke and Ibrahim Razin] were broadcast in four parts by [Italian state television] TG1. The most explosive element of what they said, was that three days before Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme was assassinated, Licio Gelli, Grand Master of the Propaganda 2 (P-2) Freemasonic lodge, had sent a telegram to Republican Party representative Philip Guarino, an intimate of George [H. W.] Bush, announcing that "the Swedish tree will be felled.'' In his sequence, Razin claimed that the text of the telegram exists in the archives of the National Security Agency, and that the FBI has opened an investigation into this. Razin added that he knew of the existence of such a telegram from a high representative of the American mafia, and that Palme was assassinated because he knew about the illegal weapons trade in connection with the Iran-Iraq war. As Brenneke put it, Palme had become a "fly in the ointment'' for those responsible for the dirty doings.'

So an intriguing mix of culture, counter-culture and assassinations.
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 02:04 AM

[quote name='Peter Lemkin' post='84364' date='Dec 8 2006, 10:10 PM']Myra, If you've only been working on these 'sorts' of
As for the depth and breadth of articles on parapolitics in Hustler:
http://www.magazine-...gazine_1985.htm[/quote]
[/quote]

Damn damn. Look at the articles they have in just the few months in '78 after Mr. Flynt was shot:

September 1978
"Conspiracy Against Truth -- The Shooting of Larry Flynt" by Ron Ridenour.

October 1978
"The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy -- How the CIA Set Up Oswald" by Mark Lane.

November 1978
"The Assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (Was James Earl Ray a Patsy?)" by Mark Lane.

December 1978
"The Assassination of Malcolm X (Government and NYPD Conspiracy?)" by Eric Norden.

Each issue is $30-100. Not feasible.

C'mon now folks. If ya got old issues fess up. No one will tease you... much.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 07:52 AM

[quote name='Myra Bronstein' post='84391' date='Dec 9 2006, 02:04 AM'][quote name='Peter Lemkin' post='84364' date='Dec 8 2006, 10:10 PM']Myra, If you've only been working on these 'sorts' of
As for the depth and breadth of articles on parapolitics in Hustler:
http://www.magazine-...gazine_1985.htm[/quote]
[/quote]

Damn damn. Look at the articles they have in just the few months in '78 after Mr. Flynt was shot:

September 1978
"Conspiracy Against Truth -- The Shooting of Larry Flynt" by Ron Ridenour.

October 1978
"The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy -- How the CIA Set Up Oswald" by Mark Lane.

November 1978
"The Assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (Was James Earl Ray a Patsy?)" by Mark Lane.

December 1978
"The Assassination of Malcolm X (Government and NYPD Conspiracy?)" by Eric Norden.

Each issue is $30-100. Not feasible.

C'mon now folks. If ya got old issues fess up. No one will tease you... much.
[/quote]


I wish I had some , Myra!

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 02:22 PM

Assassinations of progressives FAR, FAR outwieigh those of persons on the 'right'....strange isn't it....it makes one wonder who 'really' 'won' WW2. I was talking to someone from a former Communist East European country and they remarked how the War didn't end 'really' in their country until the fall of the Communism. I replied that I agreed, but sadly in my country the nighmare legacy of the War still has not 'ended'.



Peter:

Since about 1973 I have not "wonder(ed) about who really won WW 2". Fascism came to American in the name of National Security. (To paraphrase Garrison in his Playboy interview).

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 03:17 PM

Since about 1973 I have not "wonder(ed) about who really won WW 2." Fascism came to American in the name of National Security. (To paraphrase Garrison in his Playboy interview).


A little more from that interview:


Garrison: What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.

In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.

I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.



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Posted 09 December 2006 - 04:42 PM

Assassinations of progressives FAR, FAR outwieigh those of persons on the 'right'....strange isn't it....it makes one wonder who 'really' 'won' WW2. I was talking to someone from a former Communist East European country and they remarked how the War didn't end 'really' in their country until the fall of the Communism. I replied that I agreed, but sadly in my country the nighmare legacy of the War still has not 'ended'.



Peter:

Since about 1973 I have not "wonder(ed) about who really won WW 2". Fascism came to American in the name of National Security. (To paraphrase Garrison in his Playboy interview).

Dawn


And now a few important words from the titular founder of fascism:The concept of freedom is not absolute because nothing is ever absolute in life. Freedom is not a right, it is a duty. It is not a gift, it is a conquest; it is not equality, it is a privilege. The concept of freedom changes with the passing of time. There is a freedom in times of peace which is not the freedom of times of war. There is a freedom in times of prosperity which is not a freedom to be allowed in times of poverty.

...In our state the individual is not deprived of freedom. In fact, he has greater liberty than an isolated man, because the state protects him and he is part of the State. Isolated man is without defence.

...The Ministry of Corporations is an institution in virtue of which, in the centre and outside, integral corporation becomes an accomplished fact, where balance is achieved between interests and forces of the economic world. Such a glance is only possible within the sphere of the state, because the state alone transcends the contrasting interests of groups and individuals, in view of co-coordinating them to achieve higher aims. The achievement of these aims is speeded up by the fact that all economic organizations, acknowledged, safeguarded and supported by the Corporative State, exist within the orbit of Fascism...

...We have constituted a Corporative and Fascist state, the state of national society, a State which concentrates, controls, harmonizes and tempers the interests of all social classes, which are thereby protected in equal measure.

—Benito Mussolini (in speeches and publications, 1924-1932)
Ashton Gray

Edited by Ashton Gray, 09 December 2006 - 04:46 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2006 - 07:28 PM

Assassinations of progressives FAR, FAR outwieigh those of persons on the 'right'....strange isn't it....it makes one wonder who 'really' 'won' WW2. I was talking to someone from a former Communist East European country and they remarked how the War didn't end 'really' in their country until the fall of the Communism. I replied that I agreed, but sadly in my country the nighmare legacy of the War still has not 'ended'.



Peter:

Since about 1973 I have not "wonder(ed) about who really won WW 2". Fascism came to American in the name of National Security. (To paraphrase Garrison in his Playboy interview).

Dawn


"When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the American flag." --Huey Long

On edit: Also, "Sure we'll have Fascism here, but it will come as an anti-Fascism movement." --Huey Long

Edited by Myra Bronstein, 09 December 2006 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2006 - 09:22 PM

So now that we've gotten each other all depressed with the reality of the 'F'word come to pass as reality, what are we going to DO about it?!



Well I attempt to discuss these matters with as many people as I can, but most are just not interested. I discovered many years ago that the "higher" a person's position in the system the less likely he or she is to be interested in the truth. They have too much of a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Attempts at informing people of our lack of a free press and the reality of Operation Mockingbird are greeted with wide-eyed grins and the word "paranoia" falls from their dismissive lips. I have never let this dissuade me however, as I believe it is our duty as citizens to continue to try to educate the populace, especially the unwilling to learn.

"We are all co-responsible for the way in which we are governed"
-Carl Jaspers
German philosopher


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