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#1 John Simkin

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Posted 31 December 2006 - 03:05 PM

I have noticed that the newspapers over the last few days have attempted to link Saddam Hussein with other dictators such as Adolf Hitler. One even went as far to say that it was noticeable that all the worst dictators in history were all non-Christians.

It is a common myth that Hitler was not a Christian. In fact, he always made it clear that he was a Roman Catholic. In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. Once he gained power he got the support of both the Protestant and Catholic churches. The anti-semitism on which the Nazi movement was built was fostered by the main churches. It was this support which made Nazism so acceptable to respectable people.

Even as late as 1941 Hitler told one of his generals: I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so.

 

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 10:37 PM

I have noticed that the newspapers over the last few days have attempted to link Saddam Hussein with other dictators such as Adolf Hitler. One even went as far to say that it was noticeable that all the worst dictators in history were all non-Christians.

It is a common myth that Hitler was not a Christian. In fact, he always made it clear that he was a Roman Catholic. In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”. Once he gained power he got the support of both the Protestant and Catholic churches. The anti-semitism on which the Nazi movement was built was fostered by the main churches. It was this support which made Nazism so acceptable to “respectable” people.

Even as late as 1941 Hitler told one of his generals: “I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so.”


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HITLER WAS A NUN !

I urge all to read the material contained herein:

http://www.straightd...rchristian.html

Though characteristically blithe, it nonetheless quickly rises above the rouge-necked, knee-jerked, dismissively bigoted and willfully ignorant generalities dashed off by our Fuhrer. The perspective of selective history delivered in simplistic, declarative prose is irony that is not lost below the horizontal line here. Keep in mind that this comes to us from a purported scholar. It usually does.

Somebody's Weltanschauung is showing...

JG

Edited by John Gillespie, 03 January 2007 - 10:59 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2007 - 01:18 PM

Though characteristically blithe, it nonetheless quickly rises above the rouge-necked, knee-jerked, dismissively bigoted and willfully ignorant generalities dashed off by our Fuhrer. The perspective of selective history delivered in simplistic, declarative prose is irony that is not lost below the horizontal line here. Keep in mind that this comes to us from a purported scholar. It usually does.


Is this the Fuhrer that gives you the freedom to call him a Fuhrer? They don't make Fuhrers like they used to.

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 02:43 PM

Though characteristically blithe, it nonetheless quickly rises above the rouge-necked, knee-jerked, dismissively bigoted and willfully ignorant generalities dashed off by our Fuhrer. The perspective of selective history delivered in simplistic, declarative prose is irony that is not lost below the horizontal line here. Keep in mind that this comes to us from a purported scholar. It usually does.


Is this the Fuhrer that gives you the freedom to call him a Fuhrer? They don't make Fuhrers like they used to.

Wasn't Stalin a lapsed, [or in today's parlance recovering Catholic] too? I'm not sure I understand what the reasoning is behind Hitler's Catholicism re this thread

Edited by Robert Howard, 05 January 2007 - 02:45 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2007 - 07:19 PM

I'm not sure I understand what the reasoning is behind Hitler's Catholicism re this thread


I think it's all about a current debate in the UK about religion. Some of the apologists for religion are claiming that the mass murderers are all atheists. The fact that Adolf Hitler was a Catholic doesn't fit in with this theory, which is why it's necessary to bring this fact to light.

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 08:17 PM

I have noticed that the newspapers over the last few days have attempted to link Saddam Hussein with other dictators such as Adolf Hitler. One even went as far to say that it was noticeable that all the worst dictators in history were all non-Christians.

It is a common myth that Hitler was not a Christian. In fact, he always made it clear that he was a Roman Catholic. In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”. Once he gained power he got the support of both the Protestant and Catholic churches. The anti-semitism on which the Nazi movement was built was fostered by the main churches. It was this support which made Nazism so acceptable to “respectable” people.

Even as late as 1941 Hitler told one of his generals: “I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so.”


____________________________

HITLER WAS A NUN !

I urge all to read the material contained herein:

http://www.straightd...rchristian.html

Though characteristically blithe, it nonetheless quickly rises above the rouge-necked, knee-jerked, dismissively bigoted and willfully ignorant generalities dashed off by our Fuhrer. The perspective of selective history delivered in simplistic, declarative prose is irony that is not lost below the horizontal line here. Keep in mind that this comes to us from a purported scholar. It usually does.

Somebody's Weltanschauung is showing...

JG


Dear oh dear - John Simkin as "Fuhrer"? I doubt the trains would have run on time!

"I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so"
A Hitler 1941

For more see url which follows

http://skeptically.o...igion/id13.html

#7 John Simkin

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 03:39 PM

In the original programme of the Nazi Party drawn up by Adolf Hitler, Anton Drexler and Gottfried Feder in February, 1920, promised religious freedom for all those religions except those which endangered the German race.

Once Hitler gained power he was quick to express his hatred of the Jews. Based on his readings of how blacks were denied civil rights in the southern states in America, Hitler attempted to make life so unpleasant for Jews in Germany that they would emigrate. The campaign started on 1st April, 1933, when a one-day boycott of Jewish-owned shops took place. Members of the Sturm Abteilung (SA) picketed the shops to ensure the boycott was successful.

The hostility of towards Jews increased in Nazi Germany. This was reflected in the decision by many shops and restaurants not to serve the Jewish population. Placards saying "Jews not admitted" and "Jews enter this place at their own risk" began to appear all over Germany. In some parts of the country Jews were banned from public parks, swimming-pools and public transport.

Germans were also encouraged not to use Jewish doctors and lawyers. Jewish civil servants, teachers and those employed by the mass media were sacked. Many Jewish people who could no longer earn a living left the country. The number of Jews emigrating increased after the passing of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. Under this new law Jews could no longer be citizens of Germany. It was also made illegal for Jews to marry Aryans.

The Jehovah's Witnesses were also persecuted in Nazi Germany as they refused to do military service. Nazis also hated the sect because they believed in the imminent return of a Messiah. The rejection that this was not Adolf Hitler led to its members being sent to Germany's concentration camps.

Leaders of the Protestant and Catholic churches remained silent throughout this period. The main opposition to Hitler came from a group of young pastors led by Martin Niemöller, Dietrich Bonhoffer and Heinrich Gruber. Initially the main complaint was the decision by Adolf Hitler to appoint Ludwig Muller, as the country's Reich Bishop of the Protestant Church. With the support of Karl Barth, a professor of theology at Bonn University, in May, 1934, these rebel pastors formed what became known as the Confessional Church. Over the next few years hundreds of these pastors were sent to concentration camps and some were executed.

In 1934 Michael von Faulhaber, the Archbishop of Munich, published Judenum, Christentum, Germanentum, that defended the principles of racial tolerance and humanity and called for the people of Germany to respect the Jewish religion. However, Faulhaber, and other Catholic bishops, made no open protest against the atrocities being committed against the Jews in Germany.

Faulhaber occasionally condemned racial intolerance in his sermons and during Crystal Night he provided a truck for the Chief Rabbi of Munich to salvage religious objects from his synagogue before it was destroyed by the Nazis in November, 1938.

In 1938 Faulhaber supported Anschluss and the invasion of Czechoslovakia. He also held a special mass in November 1939 to celebrate Hitler's escape from Johann Elser's assassination attempt.

Pope Pius XI condemned the Nuremberg Laws in July, 1938, and was preparing an encyclical against anti-Semitism, but died in 1939 before it could be completed. His successor, Pius XII decided not to speak out against the atrocities being carried out in Germany.

In 1941 August von Galen, the Archbishop of Munster, spoke out in a sermon against the Nazi practice of euthanasia (the killing of those considered by the Nazis as genetically unsuitable). Adolf Hitler wanted Galen arrested but Joseph Goebbels warned against this as Galen was a popular religious leader. It is claimed that Galen's sermon inspired the formation of the anti-Nazi White Rose group.

Martin Niemöller spent the Second World War in Dachau Concentration Camp. As he was a First World War hero Adolf Hitler gave orders for him to be left alive. His colleague, Dietrich Bonhoffer, was arrested in April, 1943 and was charged with planning the July Plot. He was held in Buchenwald Concentration Camp until being executed in April, 1945.

On 5th June 1945 Niemöller gave a press conference in Naples. He admitted that he had offered to join the German Navy in 1939. He also confessed that he had "never quarrelled with Hitler over political matters, but purely on religious grounds". This resulted in a savage attack on Niemöller from those newspapers that had presented him as a symbol of resistance to Hitler's government.

In 1946 Niemöller wrote a poems that illustrated the role that the Church played in the development of Nazi Germany:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.


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Posted 06 January 2007 - 05:44 PM

"The New Christianity - 100% Aryan" Philip Zec, Daily Mirror (16th May, 1941)

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 09:40 PM

Many high profile Nazis were Catholics- including one Claus Von Stauffenberg. But far from being anti-Fascist, the elements of the Vatican helped escaping nazis at the end of WWII, to freedom in S.America.

Ironically, Magda Goebbels father-inlaw was jewish, and she herself once dated a jew- Haim Arsoloff, who became a prominent Zionist and was assassinated in Palestine in 1933.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:15 AM

The URL for Adolf Hitler has changed:

http://spartacus-edu...m/GERhitler.htm



#11 Len Colby

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 11:23 PM

Many high profile Nazis were Catholics- including one Claus Von Stauffenberg. But far from being anti-Fascist, the elements of the Vatican helped escaping nazis at the end of WWII, to freedom in S.America.

Ironically, Magda Goebbels father-inlaw was jewish, and she herself once dated a jew- Haim Arsoloff, who became a prominent Zionist and was assassinated in Palestine in 1933.

 

I think you meant her stepfather.





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