CIA's Remote Viewing Program and Watergate, The Parallel CIA Universes—1971, 1972, and Beyond Options

[Robert Charles-D...]

A pair of recent pieces bring us up to date on developments:

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/new...currentPage=all

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnist...ticles/1347305/

[Guest_David Guyatt_*]

Interestingly, something very similar to the Russian Mindreader 2.0 was deployed by the US against David Koresh at Waco. The BBC World Service footage that briefly showed this technology inn use, seemingly disappeared from the archives when I tried to get a copy. Fortunately, I already had a copy anyway.

Other Russian mind control technology, known as Acoustic Psycho-Correction, a device that transmits “command words” directly (and remotely) into the human mind (the technology dated back to the 1970’s btw), was focused on behaviour modification. This technology was shared with the US back in 1993 via a think-tank created by Ray Cline, former CIA DD.

What strikes me as likely about RV and RI, is that it has crept off into some quiet corner of the privatised world.

On the lie detector front, Computer Voice Stress Analysis (CVSA) is already in widespread use both by government and industry. Estimates surrounding irs reliability vary. Exponents claim up to 99% accuracy, whereas the American Polygraph Association (who have a vested interest, naturally) believe it is not better than tossing a coin in the air.

One may better judge the state of development of this class of technology by scrutinising records of the US Patent office. As an example, this little critter:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser...30+AND+AN/sony)

It has (had) it’s own news story too:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/fun.games/04/...ony.brain.reut/

David

This post has been edited by David Guyatt: Sep 25 2007, 10:08 AM

[Guest_David Guyatt_*]

I have just noticed that both the above links are either inactive or have been changed. I cached the full webpages of each item and can post here in the event anyone wishes to read them in detail.

David

[Michael Hogan]

A Brief History of Remote Viewing

by David A. Morehouse, Ph.D.

Excerpted:

So, what does all of this mean, and why this approach as a preface to a brief history of Remote Viewing? Simple. I want you to know that this is a version of the history. I want you to know that the history of Remote Viewing should be used to establish a degree of credibility for the art and science of it−and then let it go. The great reverence of the truth of Remote Viewing waits in the future of the human application of this great gift. Too much is wasted in the re-raking of the past, the reconstruction of how it was or how it could have been. Remote Viewing is the promise of what can be−of what is possible for humanity....

.... Remote Viewing is not a new phenomenon; the ability has been ours since the beginning of time. The formulation and systemization of theological doctrine as set forth in ancient records present us with countless examples of humanity's learned and inherent abilities to transcend the physical; to see in the mind's eye, people, places and events separate from their physical reality. From the ancient hieroglyphics carved into the walls of forgotten Egyptian tombs, to the "Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean, the Urantia Book, A Course in Miracles, the Old Testament, the Koran, the Kabbalah, the Talmud, and the New Testament−to name but a few−all give accounts of journeys out of the physical body, to night flights of soul, to projections of consciousness, et cetera. However, the most recent history began circa 1972 when the Central Intelligence Agency learned through various human intelligence sources that the Czechs, Chinese, Soviets, Germans, the Israelis and even the British, were all heavily involved in the study of various aspects of what would be called the "paranormal."

These investigations were in many ways the spawn of very bizarre programs initiated by the Nazi's during World War II. While exact details are a matter of historical debate, it is widely held that the Russians captured numerous documents and records held by Adolph Hitler's infamous Nazi Occult Bureau, after the fall of the Third Reich. Other documents partial and complete, became the property of various allied intelligence services who elected to study them further in the ensuing years or in some cases, totally ignore their potential.

When the CIA learned of these studies the obvious question was, ‘Do we have such a potential?' At this juncture, the United States did not have such a capability, nor had they ever really considered it−until now. If all these other "agencies" are involved, then why we not involved? It was clear that the principal intelligence agency for the United States needed to "catch up" to the intelligence collection efforts of the others−at least in this "alternative" method of gathering intelligence.

Late in 1972, CIA scientist Sidney Gottlieb, Chief of the Technical Services Division procured a rather large monetary endowment to initiate the research project that began it all. If the Soviets, and the others were as heavily involved in this research as was being reported−the National Security of the United States could be in jeopardy. Probably, the simple notion that this "eerie capability" might really be out there; and the possibility that we could do it as well, almost certainly drove the CIA's decision process. You have to admit−it does peek one's curiosity.

Stanford Research Institute International (SRI) in Palo Alto, California ultimately became the proving ground for what was to eventually be one of the intelligence services' most controversial, misunderstood and often feared Special Access Programs. The two men initially charged with responsibility to oversee this testing and evaluation program were Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff, Ph.D.; both laser physicists working at SRI.

In my opinion, it is Targ and Puthoff who are clearly the early heroes in all of this. These two men (with others) risked their professional reputations to test and evaluate the possibility that human beings can transcend space and time for the purpose of "viewing" persons, places and things, remote in space and time, and collect useable intelligence information on the same. Certainly the vast majority of their colleagues would have loved it if this federally sponsored project had consumed its funding and six years of study only to conclude that there was nothing to it−that it was all worthless and the project should be abandoned. However, this was not the case; instead, the answer was just quite the opposite, there was something to this. This phenomenon was credible, it was measurable and definable and trainable. It was certainly not one hundred percent accurate, but then again, neither was anything else in the intelligence collection assets, they all had their limitations. As long as one understood the limits of the technology, then the technology could be employed as another collector of information−another provider of ‘pieces' of the jigsaw puzzle that was truth in the espionage game. In short, the CIA was handed a new intelligence collection methodology−psychic spies.

To digress briefly, a New York City artist, author and gifted natural psychic, Ingo Swann became one of Dr. Puthoff's first test subjects. According to Mr. Swann, he initially participated in a number of pioneering experiments performed under the auspices of the American Society for Psychical Research. Upon being recruited into the project, Mr. Swann worked with Dr. Hal Puthoff at SRI-International's Radio Physics Laboratory in Menlo Park, California. It was here that Puthoff and Swann−and a number of others−conducted a series of ever-more sophisticated experiments, developing the protocol or structure they ultimately christened "Remote Viewing," opting for this term over the much debated label of "Remote Sensing."

According to Mr. Swann he was tasked by the CIA to train ‘others' in the art and science of Remote Viewing, men who he claimed were bizarre in their manner, mechanistic and cold in their approach to learning Remote Viewing. In a sense, they were there for the training, and then they were gone, never to be seen or heard of again. I use this as one evidence that other Remote Viewing elements existed in the government intelligence agencies. I cannot accept in any way the notion that only one Remote Viewing program existed; this would go against all philosophies and practices within the military and government intelligence agencies to ‘never put all of your eggs in one basket.' Who would spend tens of millions of dollars on a program that existed in one place and had only one life to live−I assure you, nobody in the intelligence community.

Recognizing the potential for controversy and public ridicule (if ever discovered), the CIA did what it has always done−distance itself in word and deed from the project. There is an old adage in ‘the community' that I continually struggled with, ‘Always keep someone between you and the potential problem.' Therefore, the project(s) was handed off to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), under the program code name ‘Grill Flame.' It is assumed that the other programs continued to thrive under the oversight and administration of other military services and intelligence agencies. However, the Army's program, which was originally begun as a counter-intelligence effort was allegedly doing so well that its mission was destined to morph into something else.

The original mission was to evaluate through ‘reverse engineering' how vulnerable to ‘psychic spying' U.S. intelligence agencies and their secrets were. This was done to such a degree of accuracy that Department of Defense and Army officials decided to change the emphasis from assessing friendly vulnerabilities to actively collecting intelligence information against America's Cold War adversaries. Unfortunately, but expectedly, the Remote Viewers had their detractors among many generals, such as Major General Bill Odom, and later Lieutenant General Harry Soyster; upper-level bureaucrats in the Department of Defense and the CIA, and politicians within the White House, Congress and the Senate.....

http://www.davidmorehouse.com/

Despair not, you too can Remote View, just like the boys in the Company: http://store.soundstrue.com/af00840d.html

[Ashton Gray]

A Brief History of Remote Viewing

by David A. Morehouse, Ph.D.

Excerpted:
So, what does all of this mean, and why this approach as a preface to a brief history of Remote Viewing? Simple. I want you to know that this is a version of the history.

Yes, it is a version. I'll give Mr. Morehouse that. It is a version, and anywhere that the truth just won't do—like, f'r'instance an education forum—this version is a fine specimen of "a version" that has as little truck with truth as possible, and therefore should be posted without inspection, criticism, or analysis.

Quoting Morehouse (why, I couldn't say or guess):
I want you to know that the history of Remote Viewing should be used to establish a degree of credibility for the art and science of it—and then let it go.

No. Open the damned black files of the CIA that the cowardly lying thieving murdering scum are still hiding about Remote Viewing.

Quoting Morehouse (why, I couldn't say or guess):
...[T]he most recent history began circa 1972 when the Central Intelligence Agency learned through various human intelligence sources that the Czechs, Chinese, Soviets, Germans, the Israelis and even the British, were all heavily involved in the study of various aspects of what would be called the "paranormal."

Snakefeathers. Barn carpet. Rank, stank, crank CIA disinformation, and buckets of it.

There are CIA records as early as Monday, 7 January 1952 indicating an intense CIA interest in what was pervasively called at the time "ExtraSensory Perception" (ESP)—which the term "Remote Viewing" is nothing but a synonym for. See Martin Ebon's "Amplified Mind Power Research In The Former Soviet Union."

On or about Wednesday, 6 August 1952, Alexander Puharich delivered a lecture to a Pentagon conference entitled "On the Possible Usefulness of Extrasensory Perception in Psychological Warfare."

As early as 19 June 1964, the CIA had to admit (in the coy language of the pinworm Richard Helms) that it was painfully aware that the Soviets had been using the word "cybernetics" since 1960 to embrace a wide swath of disciplines and technologies of the mind, and that "some of the more esoteric techniques such as ESP or, as the Soviets call it, 'biological radio-communication'" were "receiving some overt attention with, possibly, applications in mind for individual behavior control under clandestine conditions."

By 14 December 1965, Stephen I. Abrams, the Director of the Parapsychological Laboratory, Oxford University, England, under the auspices of CIA's Technical Services Division (later to become the Office of Technical Services [OTS]), and their Project MKULTRA, had a confidential review article entitled "Extrasensory Perception" which claimed ESP has been demonstrated, but was not understood or controllable.

And this "expert" <SPIT!>, Morehouse, is going to "educate" us that CIA suddenly woke up "circa 1972," like some latter-day Sleeping Beauty, eyelids all aflutter, and suddenly realized that there was something called the "paranormal"?

That's some verson of "history" you got going there. I won't waste another second of my time bothering to document the rest of the lies in it, because they already are thoroughly documented elsewhere in this forum and in The Remote Viewing Timeline.

But if we're going to be water-carriers for the CIA's disinformation divisions, why don't we just lobby to change the name to "The Disinformation Forum" and be done. Then we can all relax and be a clipping service for this kind of swill, like Caddy.

Ashton

[Michael Hogan]

But if we're going to be water-carriers for the CIA's disinformation divisions, why don't we just lobby to change the name to "The Disinformation Forum" and be done. Then we can all relax and be a clipping service for this kind of swill, like Caddy.

Ashton, sorry you took umbrage at my post. I was not endorsing Morehouse's points of view. My primary motivation in posting them was to elicit your comments. Thank you for those.

I had no idea I was acting as a water carrier. I guess that means I won't be getting paid. And thanks for likening me to someone else. I take that as a sign to stay out of your threads in the future.

[Ashton Gray]

But if we're going to be water-carriers for the CIA's disinformation divisions, why don't we just lobby to change the name to "The Disinformation Forum" and be done. Then we can all relax and be a clipping service for this kind of swill, like Caddy.

Ashton, sorry you took umbrage at my post. I was not endorsing Morehouse's points of view. My primary motivation in posting them was to elicit your comments. Thank you for those.

No umbrage taken, Michael. I've always valued your input, and not for a moment do I think you posted Morehouse's apologetic as an endorsement.

You aren't the target of my ire; the creators of these pre-packaged lies are.

But then there comes the matter of individual responsibility. And that's where they have the upper hand in the game. Which brings me to your next paragraph.

I had no idea I was acting as a water carrier. I guess that means I won't be getting paid.

Well, the "water carrier" allusion may be rightfully considered as hyperbole on an arc reaching all the way up (or down, depending on one's viewpoint) to Original Sin by anyone who knows you and your posting record and your fundamental views.

On the other hand, taken in a vacuum by some pilgrim wandering this way for the first time, your post could not possibly appear as anything but an endorsement. And the only point I am trying to make, however unkindly, is that without just such grass-roots propagation, the lies would dribble down their chins.

We do become the "water carriers" every time we do their work for them by propagating their lies without documenting the truth.

I appreciate your wanting to "elicit my comments," but, frankly, I don't need anybody generating more work for me. And if I hadn't called attention to at least a few of the blatant falsehoods in what you posted, who would have? Would you? Why aren't you documenting the lies by documenting the truth yourself as you post it? Why leave it to me? You have access to the same information sources that I have access to.

And thanks for likening me to someone else. I take that as a sign to stay out of your threads in the future.

Welllllll...

Okay.

Maybe that was a little over the top.

(But it got your attention, dinnit?)

Ashton

[Guest_David Guyatt_*]

Last I heard Ashton had stomped off the forum in a huff -- although he may be back now. Dunno.

Ashton and I clashed on this subject, so the following is obviously one-sided (as caveats go that is).

I maintain what I believe to be common sense, namely that L Ron Hubbard got his knowledge of "higher conscious knowledge" from his occult studies and purloined this as his own discovery. I don't buy into the argument (assuming I have the argument correct in the first place) that he stumbled upon it either accidentally or miraculously.

Not a chance in hell that ever happened, imo.

[Peter Lemkin]

Last I heard Ashton had stomped off the forum in a huff -- although he may be back now. Dunno.

Ashton and I clashed on this subject, so the following is obviously one-sided (as caveats go that is).

I maintain what I believe to be common sense, namely that L Ron Hubbard got his knowledge of "higher conscious knowledge" from his occult studies and purloined this as his own discovery. I don't buy into the argument (assuming I have the argument correct in the first place) that he stumbled upon it either accidentally or miraculously.

Not a chance in hell that ever happened, imo.

Sadly, to my mind, Ashton has left the Forum and [I doubt] will be back. He's not even been seen 'lurking'. He has a book to be out on Watergate any day now and it will likely get into the 'details' on much of this. Personally, I'm skeptical about 'RV' being a viable technique - but open to being proven wrong. I will agree with most here that intelligence communities, including CIA, have had intense interest in it - how better to spy without detection, after all. By the way, Ashton, last I looked, was posting on his publisher's Forum.