In all my reading on George DeMohrenschildt, I have not been able to validate this information on him:
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[DeMohrenschildt] claimed that he was involved in a pro-Nazi plot to kill Joseph Stalin.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm
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Can anyone give me the source on this one? I e-mailed John at spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk and he had this to say:
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Hi Eric,
I wrote the page several years ago and cannot remember where I got the information from. However, if you post the question on the forum, I am sure someone will know.
John
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Can anyone help? Thanks!
Full Version: DeMohrenschildt's pro-Nazi plot to kill Joseph Stalin
QUOTE (Eric Carlson @ Jun 7 2007, 11:56 PM) 
In all my reading on George DeMohrenschildt, I have not been able to validate this information on him:
----QUOTE ON-----
[DeMohrenschildt] claimed that he was involved in a pro-Nazi plot to kill Joseph Stalin.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm
----QUOTE OFF----
Can anyone give me the source on this one? I e-mailed John at spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk and he had this to say:
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Hi Eric,
I wrote the page several years ago and cannot remember where I got the information from. However, if you post the question on the forum, I am sure someone will know.
John
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Can anyone help? Thanks!
----QUOTE ON-----
[DeMohrenschildt] claimed that he was involved in a pro-Nazi plot to kill Joseph Stalin.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm
----QUOTE OFF----
Can anyone give me the source on this one? I e-mailed John at spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk and he had this to say:
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Hi Eric,
I wrote the page several years ago and cannot remember where I got the information from. However, if you post the question on the forum, I am sure someone will know.
John
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Can anyone help? Thanks!
It sounds like disinformation to me... although as always, I'd keep an open mind and look out for actual evidence.
This is an extract from David Irving's Hitler's War, FWIW.
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The sheer complexity of that (Hitler's) character is evident from a comparison of
his brutality in some respects with his almost maudlin sentimentality and
stubborn adherence to military conventions that others had long abandoned.
We find him cold-bloodedly ordering a hundred hostages executed for every
German occupation soldier killed; dictating the massacre of Italian officers
who had turned their weapons against German troops in 1943; ordering
the liquidation of Red Army commissars, Allied commando troops, and
captured Allied aircrews; in 1942 he announced that the male populations
of Stalingrad and Leningrad were to be exterminated. He justified all these
orders by the expediencies of war. Yet the same Hitler indignantly exclaimed,
in the last week of his life, that Soviet tanks were flying the Nazi swastika as
a ruse during street fighting in Berlin, and he flatly forbade his Wehrmacht
to violate flag rules. He had opposed every suggestion for the use of poison
gases, as that would violate the Geneva Protocol; at that time Germany
alone had manufactured the potentially war-winning lethal nerve gases Sarin
and Tabun. In an age in which the governments of the democracies
attempted, engineered, or condoned the assassinations, successfully or otherwise,
of the inconvenient* – from General Sikorski, Admiral Darlan, Field
Marshal Rommel, and King Boris of Bulgaria to Fidel Castro, Patrice
Lumumba, and Salvador Allende – we learn that Hitler, the world’s most
unscrupulous dictator, not only never resorted to the assassination of foreign
opponents but flatly forbade his Abwehr to attempt it. In particular he
rejected Admiral Canaris’s plans to assassinate the Red Army General Staff.
his brutality in some respects with his almost maudlin sentimentality and
stubborn adherence to military conventions that others had long abandoned.
We find him cold-bloodedly ordering a hundred hostages executed for every
German occupation soldier killed; dictating the massacre of Italian officers
who had turned their weapons against German troops in 1943; ordering
the liquidation of Red Army commissars, Allied commando troops, and
captured Allied aircrews; in 1942 he announced that the male populations
of Stalingrad and Leningrad were to be exterminated. He justified all these
orders by the expediencies of war. Yet the same Hitler indignantly exclaimed,
in the last week of his life, that Soviet tanks were flying the Nazi swastika as
a ruse during street fighting in Berlin, and he flatly forbade his Wehrmacht
to violate flag rules. He had opposed every suggestion for the use of poison
gases, as that would violate the Geneva Protocol; at that time Germany
alone had manufactured the potentially war-winning lethal nerve gases Sarin
and Tabun. In an age in which the governments of the democracies
attempted, engineered, or condoned the assassinations, successfully or otherwise,
of the inconvenient* – from General Sikorski, Admiral Darlan, Field
Marshal Rommel, and King Boris of Bulgaria to Fidel Castro, Patrice
Lumumba, and Salvador Allende – we learn that Hitler, the world’s most
unscrupulous dictator, not only never resorted to the assassination of foreign
opponents but flatly forbade his Abwehr to attempt it. In particular he
rejected Admiral Canaris’s plans to assassinate the Red Army General Staff.
Thanks Sid!
That quote you sent is probably accurate, but it does not rule out the possibility DeM claimed he was in a pro-Nazi plot against Stalin. Wherever that story came from, I really want to see what the original says. Whatever he claimed could give a glimse into DeM's mind. Perhaps he aspired to be an accomplice in political assassination.
Any one else have the source? You will be my hero. Thanks!!
That quote you sent is probably accurate, but it does not rule out the possibility DeM claimed he was in a pro-Nazi plot against Stalin. Wherever that story came from, I really want to see what the original says. Whatever he claimed could give a glimse into DeM's mind. Perhaps he aspired to be an accomplice in political assassination.
Any one else have the source? You will be my hero. Thanks!!
Nice to see you hear Eric.
I'd take anything Irving said with a shaker full of salt he is an infamous Hitler apologist and isn't taken very seriously by historians. He has been known to be rather careless with the facts
That said the story reeks of BS to me and I suspect that either DeM never said it or if he did he made it up.
Len
I'd take anything Irving said with a shaker full of salt he is an infamous Hitler apologist and isn't taken very seriously by historians. He has been known to be rather careless with the facts
That said the story reeks of BS to me and I suspect that either DeM never said it or if he did he made it up.
Len
QUOTE (Len Colby @ Jun 8 2007, 11:20 PM)
Nice to see you hear Eric.
I'd take anything Irving said with a shaker full of salt he is an infamous Hitler apologist and isn't taken very seriously by historians. He has been known to be rather careless with the facts
That said the story reeks of BS to me and I suspect that either DeM never said it or if he did he made it up.
Len
I'd take anything Irving said with a shaker full of salt he is an infamous Hitler apologist and isn't taken very seriously by historians. He has been known to be rather careless with the facts
That said the story reeks of BS to me and I suspect that either DeM never said it or if he did he made it up.
Len
Nice to hear you sea, Len.
Nice also to confirm that we have agreement on some topics, if not all.
QUOTE (Eric Carlson @ Jun 7 2007, 09:42 PM)
Any one else have the source? You will be my hero. Thanks!!
Hi Eric,
Bruce Campbell Adamson will probably be able to answer your question. The link to his email address is at the very bottom left of his website. Good luck.
http://www.ciajfk.com/demohrenschildt.html
Wasn't DeMohrenschildt involved in the Vlasov group or the ABN ant-communist group at one point?
QUOTE (Sid Walker @ Jun 8 2007, 07:56 PM)
QUOTE (Len Colby @ Jun 8 2007, 11:20 PM)
I'd take anything Irving said with a shaker full of salt he is an infamous Hitler apologist and isn't taken very seriously by historians. He has been known to be rather careless with the facts
Len
Nice... to confirm that we have agreement on some topics, if not all.Len
Agreed!!
Hey Len! Yeah, I finally thought to just write to John and he let me on the board personally. Thanks for the warning on Irving, I'd never heard of him before. I want to get to the bottom of this, even if DeM was lying. It would show that DeM at least thought about political assassinations enough to fabricate stories in which he was a conspirator.
Also, I doubt John would just make this up. It had to come from somewhere. I just wrote to Bruce Adamson. If anyone knows, he will.
Also, I doubt John would just make this up. It had to come from somewhere. I just wrote to Bruce Adamson. If anyone knows, he will.
Bruce Campbell Adamson, one of the foremost researchers on De Mohrenschildt has never heard of this claim by De Mohrenschildt. That really makes it dubious in my mind. Here is Bruce's response to me:
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DeM's nephew was a Communist; Stalin's daughter corresponded with
Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt...
Never heard of it; should I check it out ?
Bruce
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Eric wrote:
Here are exerpts from the Adamson Report: (Nothing earth shattering here)
Stalin’s daughter [wrote] to
Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt in the
very year she defected to the United
States in 1967. In the Spring of the
following year Dimitri Von
Mohrenschildt, Bertram D. Wolfe
and Allen Dulles’ sister Eleanor
Lansing Dulles signed a protest
against the Communists annual
meeting. Svetlana refused to stand
up against the Communists.
On March 25, 1968 Svetlana
Alliluyeva wrote Dimitri thanking
him for material sent. Dimitri Von
Mohrenschildt, the brother of Lee
Harvey Oswald’s closest friend had
known Svetlana well enough to ask
her if she would also sign the protest.
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Recently this author uncovered
evidence that Dimitri Von
Mohrenschildt had a
son in Soviet
Russia who,
unlike Dimitri,
seems to have
believed in the
Communist
way of life. In
researching the
life of Dimitri this
author uncovered a letter dated
October 10, 1991 from Dimitri’s son
who called himself “Sharma.”
Sharma called Dimitri “Dad.”
Sharma [possible nick name] wrote
his father: “There is a lot to talk about
the happenings in Soviet Union. I am sure
that aspect you are keeping well up to date
with but one small item in the papers which
has drawn my attention is regarding socialistic
pattern of society in the light of Sri
Aurobindo. I remember having discussed
the matter with Mr. MP Pandit and he also
of the opinion that Communism per se is
not bad provided personal liberties and
spiritual aspirations of the people are not
curbed and he even went to the extent of
saying that if the Bolsheviks had allowed
the practice of religion the Soviet pattern of
Communism perhaps could have been a
best model for peace and prosperity on the
earth. May be the concept of “village of
cosmic Communism... I can almost imagine
you chuckling with that quizzical look in
your eyes.” 12
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DeM's nephew was a Communist; Stalin's daughter corresponded with
Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt...
Never heard of it; should I check it out ?
Bruce
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Eric wrote:
Here are exerpts from the Adamson Report: (Nothing earth shattering here)
Stalin’s daughter [wrote] to
Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt in the
very year she defected to the United
States in 1967. In the Spring of the
following year Dimitri Von
Mohrenschildt, Bertram D. Wolfe
and Allen Dulles’ sister Eleanor
Lansing Dulles signed a protest
against the Communists annual
meeting. Svetlana refused to stand
up against the Communists.
On March 25, 1968 Svetlana
Alliluyeva wrote Dimitri thanking
him for material sent. Dimitri Von
Mohrenschildt, the brother of Lee
Harvey Oswald’s closest friend had
known Svetlana well enough to ask
her if she would also sign the protest.
--------------------------
Recently this author uncovered
evidence that Dimitri Von
Mohrenschildt had a
son in Soviet
Russia who,
unlike Dimitri,
seems to have
believed in the
Communist
way of life. In
researching the
life of Dimitri this
author uncovered a letter dated
October 10, 1991 from Dimitri’s son
who called himself “Sharma.”
Sharma called Dimitri “Dad.”
Sharma [possible nick name] wrote
his father: “There is a lot to talk about
the happenings in Soviet Union. I am sure
that aspect you are keeping well up to date
with but one small item in the papers which
has drawn my attention is regarding socialistic
pattern of society in the light of Sri
Aurobindo. I remember having discussed
the matter with Mr. MP Pandit and he also
of the opinion that Communism per se is
not bad provided personal liberties and
spiritual aspirations of the people are not
curbed and he even went to the extent of
saying that if the Bolsheviks had allowed
the practice of religion the Soviet pattern of
Communism perhaps could have been a
best model for peace and prosperity on the
earth. May be the concept of “village of
cosmic Communism... I can almost imagine
you chuckling with that quizzical look in
your eyes.” 12
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