TEN BIGGEST MISTAKES MADE IN THE JFK INVESTIGATION BY RESEARCHERS

10. Letting Lone-Nutters and SBT Morons to lead or set your agendas and waste your time.

9. Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.
(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally,
universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.) Then you follow THEIR lead and
start pointing fingers at THEIR list of Xenophobic Scapegoat targets: i) The Communists
instead of at the anti-Communists, ii) The Jews instead of at the anti-Semites (Michael C.
Piper), iii) The Italians and The Unions and The Mob instead of at the anti-Italians (The Drapers) and
the anti-Unionists and the anti-Mobsters like the Kohlers, the Harnishfegers, the Millikens,
the Drapers, the anti-Union Senators like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond. iv) The
Homosexuals instead of at the anti-Gay forces like Michael Valentine, The Religious Right
and the Rev. Jerry Falwell's, etc. v) The entire elected US Government instead of at the
anti-Government forces like the Militia Movements, the Right Wing Extremists, the Anarchists

8. Letting the first-line-of-defense volunteer deflectors and scapegoaters like Dr. Revilo
P. Oliver, Rev. Billy James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris actually
convince you that their list of suspects is the Right place to look. Shame on you for
being brainwashed so easily. Shame on you for being so stupid. Shame on you. These
guys were professional mind control experts and your brain was such an easy target.

7. Looking where the light is the brightest and where the dust has been stirred
instead of doing the digging, the interviewing and the research in the hard and
the inaccessible, dark places.

6. Wasting time on things like Guns and Gore which only have a slim hope of answering
the most trivial and binary sort of questions like: Was there "A CONSPIRACY OR NOT"?
Was there more than 1 shooter or NOT? Duhhhhh? Get real! You STILL don't know the
answer to those elementary questions? You MUST be easily influenced and swayed.
Or you must just enjoy Guns and Gore and engaging in Ritualized Circle Jerks and
never-ending, inconclusive, arguments.

5. Losing focus on what level of the conspiracy holds the most promise for a SOLUTION
as to the "IDENTITY OF THE CONSPIRATORS", their "MOTIVATIONS" and their "SPONSORS". These
are the ONLY things which are important. WHO PLANNED it out? WHO GUARANTEED the proper
levels of support for the cover-up? And Qui Bono? Who benefitted the most? Where is the
evidence of suspicious cash flows and profiting from the escalation of The Viet Nam War for
instance? Or where were their financial bailouts of an entire company and the ensuing
enrichment of the company performing the takeover? Who started 1964 with $5,000 and
ending up building a Right Wing Religious monument project in the Deep South costing over
$500,000.00 according to documents produced by his biographer?

4. Ignoring the newsreels, the newspapers and the major events of conflict and violence
in the late 1950's and the early 1960's which served as both the predecessors and successors
of the ultimate Act of Violence, Hate and Retribution. Ever hear of The Ole Miss Riots,
the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs, the Assassination of Medgar EVers, Jr., The
Bombing the 15th Street Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, The lynchings and murders
of blacks and Civil Rights workers in the Deep South, The Desegregation of the Little Rock
Arkansas School Dept., the death and demise of McCarthyism, The rumblings of The Cold War
saber rattlers? Examine the POLITICAL CLIMATES of EXTREMISM, VIOLENCE, REVENGE and
RETRIBUTION and you will find the common threads which run among all of these events
in the news in the early 1960's and it will be painfully obvious who killed JFK.

3. Ignoring the major beneficiaries as a result of the Death of JFK, what they HOPED to gain
for thier participation in the JFK plot is just as important as what some people actually
gained. Don't eliminate someone just because they didn't gain what they expected. And
certainly don't include someone unless you can FIND and PROVE a miraculous flow of funds
within a reasonable timeframe following the Assassination which defies all logic. For
instance WHERE did Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith get the $500,000 plus required to build his
Christ of The Ozarks Theme Park and Bible Museum in Eureka Springs, Arkansas starting in
the Spring of 1964? And WHY did Rockwell Standard (Rockwell International) advance Wickliffe
P. Draper and his family almost $100,000,000 in tax-favored Preferred Stock for a failing
Textile Machinery Company. Later Rockwell became one of the 2 largest beneficiaries of
The Viet Nam War becoming a multi-Billion dollar financial behemoth before being forced to
sell out to Boeing Corp when their ultimate motivations were revealed to the SEC.

2. Spending too much time on exploring the thoroughly sanitized background of Lee Harvey
Oswald while putting on blinders regarding the reasons WHY he could have been both The
Perfect Patsy in the JFK hit AND A Programmed Mind Controlled Assassin in previous hits.
If you think Guns and Gore were fruitful arenas for examination, you just must love digging
through LHO's garbage. Ignoring the realistic possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was only
inserted into the plot BECAUSE of his background as a TRAINED, PROGRAMMED ASSASSIN.

1. Focusing on Triangulation of Fire in Dealey Plaza instead of on the Triangulation of
Logic exposed by 5 or more different lines of reasoning from 5 or more different persons
who were WELL POSITIONED to KNOW. All of these people, while operating independently and
by using distinct means and methods all reached roughly the SAME CONCLUSIONS and came up
with the SAME LIST of GUILTY SUSPECTS. i) Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate (1958)
(John Birch Society, Draper-led Eugenicists and The American Security Council) ii) Dwight
D. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address (1960) (Military Industrial Complex
and private organizations like The American Security Council) iii) Jack Ruby in his WC
Testimony (The Dallas John Birch Society and anti-Semites) iv) Bill Turner and Mae Brussell
(Robert J. Morris and Charles A. Willoughby (of The Dallas John Birch Society and The
American Security Council) (1983) v) Dick Russell and his informant in The Man Who Knew Too
Much (Charles A. Willoughby of The Dallas John Birch Society and The American Security
Council and Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur and unknown influences of The Manchurian Candidate)
(1994)

1. Continuing to debate the conspiracy/no conspiracy, or "how" question.

Each and every presentation we make must begin and end with this statement of fact: Conspiracy in the death of JFK is the truth and has been demonstrated beyond all doubt. To engage in debate on this question is, by definition, to play into the hands of the assassins.

Anyone with reasonable access to the JFK evidence who does not conclude conspiracy is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime. It's that simple.

2. Refusing to segregate the "how," "who," and "why" questions.

The layman's natural inclination is to jump to the second and third issues, and by definition to infer that, absent certitude regarding "who" and "why," the "how" must remain in doubt.

3. Failing to understand that we are at war with the killers of JFK.

The rest are, in the words of Hyman Roth, small potatoes.

Charles

Whoops... almost forgot one of the major additional oversights or mistakes. Forgetting that
philosophical descendants of the first response interlopers like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Rev. Billy
James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris are or were recently active in
posting deflective and defective responses on Usenet groups and Forums like this very one.
That list would include the recently departeds such as Nathaniel Weyl, Fletcher Prouty,
Philip J. Corso and Marvin Liebmann as well as some hangers-on who were either founders
or members or employees of The John Birch Society, The Liberty Lobby, Young Americans
For Freedom, The Militia Movements, The Minutemen, The World Anti-Communist League,
The White Citizens Councils, The Council For National Policy and The Mississippi Sovereignty
Commission (a/k/a The KKK). In other words there are still those among you still posting
their BS lines of argument and threads who are card-carrying members of those groups
who CLAIM to be searching for the Truth, who CLAIM to be honest Conspiracy Theorists
and who CLAIM to be on The Trail of the Assassins who are in fact never going to point
the finger at their philosophical brethren. Do you all know who had parents who raised
him on the literature of The John Birch Society, for instance, while hosting meetings at this
home for a John Birch Society cell and who was once a member of Young Republicans and
Young Americans For Freedom? Or which infamous research duo took a young researcher
and graphics artist on a "Racist Walking Tour of Dallas" on the way to the ARRB hearing room?
Or which COPA conference attendee once said: "Colonel Prouty is just like us on all the Nigger
issues?" Well just suffice it to say that almost 50% of "JFK Researchers" are either card
carrying members of Far Right Extremist Organizations or have been so thoroughly brain
washed by the continual drumbeat of propaganda spouted by these card carrying members
of the Reich Wing that they have been essentially rendered into Stepford Wives clones of the Far Right
without even knowing it. Sad, but true. And to not know that you are surrounded by the very brainwashers
from the Religious Right, the Political Right, the Military Right, the Education Right and the Business Right
who were both the Character Assassins and the Physical Assassins of John F. Kennedy is evidence
of terminal obtuseness and/or outright complicity with The Far Reich.

This is not, I submit a seminar, I shall move it to the JFK section, where more People will be able to respond. Also please be careful of the language you use here, even when quoting others.

I agree with most of your observations, Charles, particularly No. 2 re segregating the how, who and why issues.

And thanks for the gratuitous Hyman Roth quote.

I find myself quoting Godfather I and II lines with some frequency.

John B. "Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.
(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally, universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.)"

Amen. (ditto to much of the rest.). One reason I regularly quote (bearing in mind the topic heading portion re self-examination, perhaps one of the least explored aspect of the universe as it is filtered/reacted to or against, through the sense organs to the mind. (IOW. the world as one believes it to be due to various filterings, pavlovian responses and self denial expedites the blinkering to the truth as it is, as opposed to how one may 'wish' it to be.)) the Rolling Stones song "Sympathy for the Devil" particularly "...who am I...what's my name...I rode a Tank when the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank...I shouted out "Who Killed the Kennedy's" when after all it was you and me...". IOW the base Human attributes of Inhumanity that everyone separates from their selves in order to find some semblance of absolution.

As you point out it is by looking at the instinctive, perhaps intuitive, recognition of the perspective the assassins came from and dealing with self in the process the focus can be maintained on that which is obvious, but loaded with gateways facilitating an externalisation of said base aspects of self and thus lubricating the paths of misdirections as listed.

Through an eqanimous analysis occams razor leads straight to the suspect elements as olutlined. (IMO) (FWIW)
Thank you.

(And, Stephen, thank you for moving it here.)

Thanks for your response and insights. About the only sign of hope I see in this entire conundrum is the fact that other
unsolved "Civil Rights" murders are being pursued to their ultimate conclusion in the Deep South. And I truly believe
that the perps made the murder of JFK fall into this category. How do I know? Because Roy Hargraves, one of "Nellie's
Boys" from South Florida, in a moment of candor, confessed this fact to Mary Ferrell. And Mary considered Roy to be one
of her best and most trustworthy confidantes with some inside information regarding how it all went down. He also
fingered Col. Robert F. Baird and Mitch Werbell III, Capt. Medric Johnson of Walker's American Vigilante Group, and an
enigmatic figure who allegedly worked for the Boston Metals Processing Company in Baltimore, MD by the name of
Harold B. Chait, who was identified by Robert Maxwell from The Bank of Maryland as a CIA agent working for a CIA
front. Maxwell was an Iran Contra whistle blower who made some headway in identifying another account at the Bank
of Maryland involved in funneling money for gun running into Nicaragua. Chait is deceased now and so are the others.
Baird and Johnson died after being shot "execution style" shortly after the JFK hit. And Werbel, the son of a former
Czarist cavalry officer, like Vonsiatsky joins a long list of Czarists longing for the return of pre-Bolshevik Revolution
monarchist rule to the Russian scene. Even Warren DeBreuys (sp?) the FBI agent was related to former Czarists as
well as George DeMohrenschildt whose wife Jeanne was born under Czarist exile in Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko).
Their motivation as staunch anti-Communists is more patently obvious. But the Walker, Morris and Willoughby ASC
crowd convinced the Mississippi racists to pull the trigger using the Medgar Evers, Jr. murder as an example of how
you could get away with murder with a little help from your friends. They also cited various lynchings and the 15th
Street Baptish Church bombing as examples of how easy it was to perform a hit and run murder and be exonerated.

I would add to the list:

1. Failing to focus on Jack Ruby's assassination of LHO, his own mob contacts, and his travel and associations before the assassination.

I keep getting back to the point of how the LN's explain away why a low life strip joint owner (redundancy alert) with former mod connections would gratuitously throw his own life away to ensure that the First Lady doesn't have to take the stand in LHO's trial.

The only explanation for this is that there was a conspiracy and that people with a lot to lose were afraid LHO would talk.

I plan to read Posner's book on this point, but it is completely inexplicable in the absence of some type of conspiracy.

2. The deaths of so many people connected to the assassination.

These are similarly inexplicable in the absence of some type of conspiracy.

And who was proficient at making people go away? The mob and the CIA.

3. If LHO really was the only participant in the assassination, then, 44 after the assassination, why won't the Federal government release all of its JFK assassination records?

The LN's take the position that we should trust the government's first (WC) conclusion on the matter and accept the fact that it has some bona fide, but undisclosed, reason for keeping the records under lock and key. Are they serious? If the records supported the government's position on this matter, do you really think that it would not have released the records by now?


You cannot simply view a thorough investigation of the assassination through a myopic focus on whether LHO could have fired 3 shots. You can't ignore that issue, but it is one of many which need to be resolved in any investigation of the assassination.

Hi, John
You and the other posters on the subject here are on track. My own past associations
prove your direction, some examples are;
{1} I was always an active Republican
{2} also a Minuteman {Southern California}
{3} Member John Birch Society, knowing well Gen. Walker
Robert Welch, and several fringe followers of that philosophy
with which at one time I agreed {until the actual death of JFK}
{4}only 'some' of these experiences are outlined under my name
on the Simkin Forum and may be of interest to you and others?

H. Dean

I for one would like to hear your personal insights into persons like Revilo Oliver,
Edwin A. Walker, Robert J. Morris, Robert Welch (part of the N.C. Unitarian connection)
and even one Wickliffe P. Draper who was allegedly a financial sponsor of the California
Minutemen in addition to MKULTRA, The Pioneer Fund, The Mississippi Sovereignty
Commission, The John Birch Society, Human Events, The Liberty Lobby, the First
World Eugenics Conference, the persecution of Alger Hiss and Sacco and Vanzetti,
HUAC, The Draper Committees on Eugenics and Immigration, etc. ad nauseum.
Ever hear of Wickliffe Draper or Ulius Amoss or Carleton Coon in your travels?

The fanatical right made only one tangible gain from JFK's murder---a stay of execution on the oil depletion allowance.

On the other side of the ledger, they got civil rights legislation for their trouble.

If you want to focus on cui bono, there were bigger winners than southern right-wing church groups:

1. The MIC got a decade of profitable warfare.

2. Israel had their military aid from the US increased from zero to over $200 million by 1967. They also recieved a cozy nod and wink deal from the US about Dimona (in fact, they were so confident that LBJ would not press them on this issue, they offered to host an American inspection team a few days after JFK's death). They got a free pass on the Liberty in 1967. They got to surround LBJ with advisors and confidantes. Jack Valenti even got Hollywood.

3. LBJ got an eleventh hour reprieve from humiliation and prison and a bonus prize--the White House.

These are the front runners, imo.

John

Among those listed above that I did know, along with others that I did not, I can
say most were of the same mind, the same fear, of the Kennedy administration
giving the US. over to Communism, or of blending the two systems. The main fear
was that our so-called Conservative/free enterprise ideals would be forever
lost/destroyed under that international socializing threat.
Therefore the deadly serious life-or-death struggle was in the works by a vast
number of 'convinced' patriotic people via the 'hypnotic definitions' spread mainly
by the umbrella organization of the Robert Welch John Birch Society et al.
This reached as well to many powerful influencial, and political persons in place,
and some patriotic fringe radical followers. Such were comforted in knowing
that whoever killed the internal enemy Kennedy would never be exposed or
detected as the powerful 'New Americanist' system quickly taking power would
and did, protect their unsung patriots.

H. Dean

The FIRST and most obvious winner in the Manna from Heaven contest goes to Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith
who was at the Winnipeg Airport Incident when he went from a $4,687.84 ending balance as of 12/31/1963
according to his biographer, Glenn Jeansonne, to building Christ of the Ozarks near Eureka Springs, Arkansas
in the Spring of 1964, when he also bought a $100,000 antebellum mansion as well near that $1,000,000
tourist trap. How do you figure he pulled that off?

The NEXT winner was Anastase Vonsiatsky whose millionaire wife had just died after cutting him off from
the family fortune. He retired a millionaire as well.

The BIGGEST winner was Wickliffe P. Draper who fronted the cash to Smith and Vonsiatsky then cashed in
after Rockwell got all the Viet Nam contracts after JFK's death.

The actual cash flow within the MIC went from Rockwell International to the Draper Company on
3/22/67 when Rockwell bought an essentially bankrupt Draper Corp. for $100 million dollars.

Ray S. Cline and Harold Chait also became millionaires shortly after the JFK hit and Cline took over
the Murder, Inc. started by Ulius Amoss and Carleton Coon called ISI in Baltimore, MD and Chait rose
to VP of a Baltimore Metals Processing Company later active in Iran Contra money laundering throught
Maryland National Bank.

As to the largesse you describe for Israel and the Mossad, well... The Yankees went on a World Series tear
after 1963 but they had nothing to do with the JFK hit either and Bill Gates sowed the seeds of Microsoft
when he bought a pocket calculator with his newspaper route money, but he was too young to even vote.
Why do people insist that Israel and the Mossad had something to do with the JFK

• QUOTE (Mark Stapleton @ Dec 15 2007, 07:54 PM)
  The fanatical right made only one tangible gain from JFK's murder---a stay of execution on the oil depletion allowance.
  
  On the other side of the ledger, they got civil rights legislation for their trouble.
  
  If you want to focus on cui bono, there were bigger winners than southern right-wing church groups:
  
  1. The MIC got a decade of profitable warfare.
  
  2. Israel had their military aid from the US increased from zero to over $200 million by 1967. They also recieved a cozy nod and wink deal from the US about Dimona (in fact, they were so confident that LBJ would not press them on this issue, they offered to host an American inspection team a few days after JFK's death). They got a free pass on the Liberty in 1967. They got to surround LBJ with advisors and confidantes. Jack Valenti even got Hollywood.
  
  3. LBJ got an eleventh hour reprieve from humiliation and prison and a bonus prize--the White House.
  
  These are the front runners, imo.
  
  
  The FIRST and most obvious winner in the Manna from Heaven contest goes to Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith
  who was at the Winnipeg Airport Incident when he went from a $4,687.84 ending balance as of 12/31/1963
  according to his biographer, Glenn Jeansonne, to building Christ of the Ozarks near Eureka Springs, Arkansas
  in the Spring of 1964, when he also bought a $100,000 antebellum mansion as well near that $1,000,000
  tourist trap. How do you figure he pulled that off?
  
  The NEXT winner was Anastase Vonsiatsky whose millionaire wife had just died after cutting him off from
  the family fortune. He retired a millionaire as well.
  
  The BIGGEST winner was Wickliffe P. Draper who fronted the cash to Smith and Vonsiatsky then cashed in
  after Rockwell got all the Viet Nam contracts after JFK's death.
  
  The actual cash flow within the MIC went from Rockwell International to the Draper Company on
  3/22/67 when Rockwell bought an essentially bankrupt Draper Corp. for $100 million dollars.
  
  Ray S. Cline and Harold Chait also became millionaires shortly after the JFK hit and Cline took over
  the Murder, Inc. started by Ulius Amoss and Carleton Coon called ISI in Baltimore, MD and Chait rose
  to VP of a Baltimore Metals Processing Company later active in Iran Contra money laundering through
  Maryland National Bank.
  
  As to the largesse you describe for Israel and the Mossad, well... The Yankees went on a World Series tear
  after 1963 but they had nothing to do with the JFK hit either and Bill Gates sowed the seeds of Microsoft
  when he bought a pocket calculator with his newspaper route money, but he was too young to even vote.
  Why do people insist that Israel and the Mossad had something to do with the JFK hit, anyway? You must be a big fan of Fletcher Prouty and Michael Piper and those of their ilk, right?

The other gains of the Radical Right which have somehow evaded scrutiny include the fact that they got
away with the murders of Medgar Evers, Jr. and Chaney, Schwerner and Goodman and the choir members
of the 16th Street Baptist Church because no one wanted to confront them after the JFK hit. Plus, did you
forget, they got the courage and the funding to kill MLK and RFK, too? That was in ALL the papers. Then
they got Richard Nixon and later Ronald Reagan elected because there were no more Kennedys left who wanted
to run and they got to go after the Commies full bore to bring down the Iron Curtain. Remember that? Then
they started the World Anti Communist League and went after the Commies in Latin America and South America
and in Europe, too.

And they used Human Events, Right Magazine and The Spotlight of The Liberty Lobby to go after the Jews,
the Mossad and the money lenders. Surely, you did not miss that effect, right? You might have jumped on
that bandwagon at that time as well, am I right? Or are you right?

You see these Right Wing fanatics had lots of enemies and ALL of them were used as JFK scapegoats or pillory
victims at one or another right after JFK died... The Jews, the Mob, the Commies, the Gays, the Civil Rights activitists, the Blacks, the Chicanos, you name it they were either pilloried or scapegoated by the Right, right after the JFK murder go check it out it was even on TV, in the papers and in the literature from that day forward. No one could possibly have missed it unless they just wanted to ignore it on purpose.

time or another

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Very true, Harry, but the part sometimes overlooked is that anti-Communist and anti-Integrationist
sentiments came from the very SAME sources within the Radical Right. Closely followed by
anti-Semitism and anti-Immigrationism if there is such a term, all the other Xenophobic tendencies.
And the Kennedys were seen as supporters of ALL of these enemies of the Radical Reich.

Communist-like Union activity in the USA was the number one domestic issue raised by those of
the Radical Right and they were somewhat successful in killing the Union movement after over-linking
them with Italian Mobsters and Communist infiltrators. But internationally the main fears were the
appropriation of capitalist properties behind the Iron Curtain and most of all... most of all... the loss
of the franchises of The Catholic Church to Godless Communism behind the Iron Curtain. Anyone who
overlooks the roles of the defenders of the Catholic Church including those like Robert J. Morris, William F.
Buckley, Jr., L. Brent Bozell, Ray Cline, Otto F. Otepka, Clendenin J. Ryan, Ulius Amoss, Charles Willoughby
and those from The Military Committees of The Shickshinny Knights of Malta has totally missed the boat in
my honest opinion. Certainly the Pope and the Cardinals and the Bishops of the Church made it known
that Communism had to be stopped, but they never said HOW it had to be stopped.

It was just easier to raise money to defeat Communism than it was to defeat Integrationism. Much easier.
But it made their roles as Knightly Crusaders seem just so much more important if they avoided the tarnish
of anti-Semitism, anti-Integrationism and all those other socially unacceptable causes.

Reverend Gerald L K Smith said it best...

"The Kennedy brothers are nothing more than whisky swigging, whore mongering fake Catholics who
want to take away the country from the God fearing White Americans like you and me and hand it over
on a silver platter to the Commies, the N***ers, the K***s and the Sp***."

(Racial, National and Religious epithets removed.)

THAT is why they were killed and why Gerald L K Smith was NAMED in The Manchurian Candidate and
why Smith was present at the assassination of Sen. Huey Long and why he was chosen to be in the lead
of the JFK plot, too. And THAT is why he came into over $1,000,000 in the Spring of 1964. Simple, no?

And both Joseph A. Milteer and Dick Russell's informant blamed The Patriots for the Murder of JFK... or as
you call them The New Americanists. Or as I call it the Far Reich Wing in America. The Conservative,
Christian Coalitions and The Council for Nazional Policy contain the real beneficiaries and the real
perpatrators of JFK's assassination.

How can people have missed these obvious clues for so many years... contained in these quotes...?

Paraphrasing Milteer: "The Patriots are in the clear on this. Oswald knows nothing. It will be blamed
on the Communist groups." And he was right, too.

Paraphrasing Russell's informant: "JUST LIKE IN THE MANCHURIAN CANDIADATE EVEN PATRIOTS CAN NOT
TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS."

But they did and they continue to do so. And they continue to scapegoat the Commies, the Jews, the
Italian Mobsters, and anyone else they can come up with to lump into the plot.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

In any case, Israel and Mossad are prime suspects, imo. It's not scapegoating, it's trying to figure out who were the parties involved in assassinating JFK.

That they profited handsomely from the accession of LBJ is beyond doubt.

Some of the mining magnates and right-wing agitators in the south may have participated in the planning for DP as they were connected to the military and intelligence communities. I think a few might have put up money in support of the plan but I doubt they were the principal instigators, and despite the wealth of people like Hunt and Murchison, I don't think they had the necessary influence within the Government and media to ensure such a long lasting coverup.

This posting is even more relevant today than it was when it was first made. Most of you
are still making these same mistakes today, too. When will we ever learn?

I should have added...

11.) Focusing on the concept of a SINGLE Alphabet Intelligence Agency (CIA) as being the ONLY
contributor or the 90% PLUST DOMINANT contributor to the entire JFK Conspiracy almost to the
exclusion of all others. And forgetting that it would be an easy thing for someone, like a Willoughby for
instance, to plan a 10 year campaign of revenge against the Alphabet Agency he held culpable for the
demise and the ultimate humiliation of Gen. Douglas MacArthur and himself during the Korean War.

And don't get your knickers all twisted... my thesis still includes the usual "CIA" suspects like James
Angleton of James Angleton's CIA, Ray S. Cline from CIA sponsored WACL, and of course E. Howard
Hunt, Gerry Patrick Hemming and Frank "Fiorini" Sturgis who would do anyone's bidding for the right price.
But these guys were Fascist Right Wingers FIRST and FOREMOST and the CIA was just their day job.

By the way, THAT was the exact position of [b]your apparent philosophical compatriots like the Birchers Dr.
Revilo P. Oliver (employed as an Army Cryptographer during WW II) and Robert J. Morris (with the ONI),
all those on Anti-Communist Liaision Committee of Correspondence: Billy James Hargis, Sarah McClendon
who tried to get on Army Intelligence, Edward "Brainwashing" Hunter (who wrote about what the
North Koreans, and the Chinese (in Manchuoko) did to Army POWs during the Korean War. ALL of
these Army Intel or ONI types were Charles Willoughby's very close fiends and even Lt. Col. Philip J.
Corso (who was IN the US Army). Was Alex Rorke a Marine or in the Army or suspected to be in
the CIA? I can not recall. Were there ANY CIA types trying to BLAME Army Intelligence? Just think
about it, ALL the xenophobic finger-pointers came from among Willoughby's sock puppets, right?
And to the extent that you repeat his pablum like a good sock puppet, makes you one of his toys.

Come on now be honest, you all bit on their pre-planned and orchestrated lines of hooey hook, line
and sinker didn't you? Most of you became one of Willoughby's trusted "sock puppets" after you
were brainwashed by the BARRAGE of post-assassination garbage put out by his crew of expert
brainwashers. And you didn't even know who your "controllers" really were did you? Perfect. Perfect.

I mean John Armstrong would quote Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso as if he spoke with God, until Corso started
saying he attended "Alien Autopsies" then Armstrong backed off forever. And many of you cite the
arguments of Dr. Revilo P. Oliver and Billy James Hargis as if they were Gospel, don't you? Did you
not realize that Dr. Robert J. Morris was an EXPERT in Psychological Warfare, that Dr. Edward Hunter
"wrote the book" on brainwashing and guess what he called it: "Brainwashing" by William and Henry
Regnery Press. William Regnery (a textile multi-millionaire like Draper) headed up America First and had
made plans to become "Hitler's U.S. agent" after his planned victory. And Regnery Press published all
of Robert Morrow's bunkum, and they became the number one propagator of Holocaust Denial and
anti-Semitic material of that time as well along with Willis Carto's and Wickliffe P. Draper's hokum from
Right Magazine, The Liberty Lobby, Human Events and The American Mercury. And you guys just cite
all that stuff like it came from God via the tablets to Moses.

And, without naming names, some of you were "Brainwashed" as late as the 1990's and taken in
hook, line and sinker by little old Gordon Hall, Billy James Hargis, and Sarah McClendon, too, weren't
you? Be a man and admit it. It will help you become de-programmed so you can consider an alternative
conspiracy theory to the one that has been embedded inside your skull so thoroughly that it would take
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Just go on "What's My Line?" and then stand up and say proudly and loudly:

1st Contestant: "Hello, my name is < insert name here> and I have been Brainwashed by Robert Morris' and Charles Willoughby's experts from The John Birch Society."
2nd Contestant:"Hello, my name is < insert name here> and I was Brainwashed by Robert Morris' and Charles Willoughby's experts from The John Birch Society."
3rd Contestant: "Hello, my name is < insert name here> and I was Brainwashed by Robert Morris' and Charles Willoughby's experts from The John Birch Society."

All right. Let's play "What's My Line?"

First questioner is Dorothy Kilgallen... Dorothy?

Number 1: Is your brain bigger than a breadbox?

Number 2: How did you figure out that you had been brainwashed?

Number 3: Where was it that you were actually brainwashed?

Number 2: Was it very difficult to brainwash you?

Number 1: What techniques did they use to brainwash you?

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time,
but can you ever hope to fool all of the people all of the time."

And as George Bush used to mumble: "Fool me once, shame on me... shame on you... Fool me...again... well... uhm
well... you just won't fool me again. That's it."

Hey, it is not like I was not swayed or persuaded to believe the bunk from The John Birch Society until I realized that
it was coming from The John Birch Society... and from experts in Psychological Warfare. Then I wised up a bit.

You will feel a whole lot better about it, and then maybe you can actually figure out who killed JFK and who covered it up and who was
in charge of picking out all their enemies as scapegoats, too. And maybe you will actually buy both "Brainwashing" and "The Manchurian
Candidate" and read them cover to cover with feeling. And maybe you will rent Dr. Strangelove and Seven Days in May and The
Manchurian Candidate and really, really watch it, too. Or get some of the old CBS Chronoscope TV shows from the days of McCarthyism
with Larry LeSeure, I think it was when Robert Morris and Charles Willoughby were on those old shows in black and white. I ordered them.

Today was November 22, 1963 and... "You Were There" - Walter Cronkite - CBS News.

Case Closed.













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