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Peter Lemkin
[posted this by mistake...sorry...in JFK..meant to put in political conspiracies....] Please move, someone.

Just three news items today on democracynow.org that tell me we have lost our way completely and learned nothing from the past, from history, from WW2 or anything before it, or since. It is, as Palast titled his book an Armed Madhouse!

Military Chiefs Assert First-Strike Nuclear Option for NATO

A group of former top military commanders in NATO countries including the U.S. are calling on their governments to insist on the right to pre-emptive nuclear attack. In a new manifesto, the former army leaders—including ex- joint chiefs of staff chair General John Shalikashvili —say NATO should maintain that a “first strike” nuclear option remains an “indispensable instrument.” The group says this is in part because there is “simply no realistic prospect of a nuclear-free world.” The proposal is likely to be reviewed at a NATO summit in April.

U.S. to Expand Pakistani Military Aid

The Bush administration has announced plans to expand military training and equipment to Pakistan over the next five years. The two-billion dollar package would seek to boost Pakistan’s intelligence service and its air and ground power.

Study: War Funding Rose $50B in 2007

A new Congressional study has found U.S. war funding increased by more than fifty-billion dollars last year. The one-hundred-seventy-billion dollar total was nearly double the ninety-three billion dollars spent on average between 2003 and 2005. President Bush is seeking to continue the upward trend, asking for more than one-hundred-ninety-billion dollars this fiscal year.

...while people suffer and die in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, including at 'home' - an obscene waste of money and an unethical / illegal policy of murder and mayham....that we are told it to be virtually without end.....it will end....and the whole planet with it...this is the 'legacy' the US and it's hanger's on seem to want to leave as their set-piece....nice! How, from where we [Humanity] started, did we ever get here. I'm totally ashamed that my country is leading the world headlong over the abyss. We are at this point in time not the 'beacon of hope and light', but a black-hole in the world polity - gobbling up all the goodies and killing all the people and other living things - at home and abroad. See the film Zeitgeist or the film What a Way to Go; The End of Empire.....or so many good books on the 180 degree wrong direction we are now following on every possible thing I can think of.

One could go on and on and I'll stand by all my posts related to all this..here's an interesting accounting of the lies for the Iraq war...

A new study from the Center for Public Integrity has revealed President Bush and top administration officials made a total of 935 false statements about Iraq’s alleged national security threat in the two years following the 9/11 attacks.

President Bush made the most false statements – 260. Colin Powell, his then secretary of state, made 254 false statements.

The authors of the study concluded “The cumulative effect of these false statements–amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts–was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war.” On October 7, 2002, for example, Bush repeatedly lied about the threat posed by Iraq in a prime-time speech in Cincinnati Ohio.

Charles Lewis joins us in Washington. He is the founder of the Center for Public Integrity. He created and directed the study tiled “Iraq: The War Card.” He is the president of the Fund for Independence in Journalism in Washington.

Charles Lewis, founder of the Center for Public Integrity. He created and directed the “Iraq War Card” project. He is the president of the Fund for Independence in Journalism in Washington, a distinguished journalist in residence at American University, and the coauthor of five books.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/24/935_...ng_study_counts

or this...
As we continue to talk about the lies that led to the Iraq war, we are also joined by Los Angeles Times reporter Bob Drogin. He is author of the new book “Curveball: Spies, Lies, and the Con Man Who Caused a War.”

The book examines how a former Iraqi taxi driver helped build the Bush administration’s case for war by making false claims about Saddam Hussein’s alleged biological and chemical weapons programs.

Bob Drogin, national security reporter for the Los Angeles Times and author of the book “Curveball: Spies, Lies, and the Con Man Who Caused a War.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/24/curv...drogin_on_spies
Robert Howard
QUOTE(Peter Lemkin @ Jan 24 2008, 06:29 PM) *
Just three news items today on democracynow.org that tell me we have lost our way completely and learned nothing from the past, from history, from WW2 or anything before it, or since. It is, as Palast titled his book an Armed Madhouse!

Military Chiefs Assert First-Strike Nuclear Option for NATO

A group of former top military commanders in NATO countries including the U.S. are calling on their governments to insist on the right to pre-emptive nuclear attack. In a new manifesto, the former army leaders—including ex- joint chiefs of staff chair General John Shalikashvili —say NATO should maintain that a “first strike” nuclear option remains an “indispensable instrument.” The group says this is in part because there is “simply no realistic prospect of a nuclear-free world.” The proposal is likely to be reviewed at a NATO summit in April.

U.S. to Expand Pakistani Military Aid

The Bush administration has announced plans to expand military training and equipment to Pakistan over the next five years. The two-billion dollar package would seek to boost Pakistan’s intelligence service and its air and ground power.

Study: War Funding Rose $50B in 2007

A new Congressional study has found U.S. war funding increased by more than fifty-billion dollars last year. The one-hundred-seventy-billion dollar total was nearly double the ninety-three billion dollars spent on average between 2003 and 2005. President Bush is seeking to continue the upward trend, asking for more than one-hundred-ninety-billion dollars this fiscal year.

...while people suffer and die in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, including at 'home' - an obscene waste of money and an unethical / illegal policy of murder and mayham....that we are told it to be virtually without end.....it will end....and the whole planet with it...this is the 'legacy' the US and it's hanger's on seem to want to leave as their set-piece....nice! How, from where we [Humanity] started, did we ever get here. I'm totally ashamed that my country is leading the world headlong over the abyss. We are at this point in time not the 'beacon of hope and light', but a black-hole in the world polity - gobbling up all the goodies and killing all the people and other living things - at home and abroad. See the film Zeitgeist or the film What a Way to Go; The End of Empire.....or so many good books on the 180 degree wrong direction we are now following on every possible thing I can think of.

If you watch, No End in Sight Iraq's Descent into Chaos - The Inside Story of the Ultimate Insiders - 2007 you get the distinct impression that there were in the months before the 2003 Invasion, a lot of good people in the State Department and elsewhere inside the government, who saw the laughingly ridiculous causus belli being pulled seemingly out of thin air, that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz ran with the Saddam/Osama are pals routine, which our beloved Orwellian media ran with like a carp feeding on mudbait......For once in my life, the premise that the intelligence agencies were not guilty of being accessories to the carnality that was about to take place, seems very plausible......The elitist's of geopolitics lose their consciences, very quickly. If you read Alexandra Robbins very cerebral book about Skull and Bones, one of the underlying themes, is that many people of that ilk, the creme de la creme economically, at least have an obvious contempt for humanity in general, there is no spiritual or philosophical dimension of light, it is all very dark

One thing that must be reckoned with, is that amidst the Bush is evil commentary that is so prevalent nowadays, one usually ignores the fact that if these guys were a open conspiracy unto themselves, none of the long drawn out, yada, yada, yada, every major city in the US outside of the Red States has city council resolutions calling for the impeachment yada, yada, yada; would have even taken place, there is no way in heaven and earth that something of this magnitude could have been done without some form of "tacit accomodation or understanding" in the bowels of the international geopolitical structure. The Bilderberger Group comes to mind, and for the baiters and promoters of dissenion, out there. Ask yourself a question, if the policies which are formulated there are so benign in content, why are they so secretive? It's just common sense, Europe is light years ahead of America culturally, I mean freedom-fries, they laugh at us......And regarding the secret/closed societies issue, no I do not accept the idea of the "global Jewish conspiracy," and I think any ideology that obsesses about racial purity, superiority or ethnic inferiority is the very incarnation of evil......

In reality, my focus is on the unresolved issues of the Kennedy Assassination, and I have , at least for myself, left the current "situation"......well, let me say that area is irrelevant to the discussion.
The very mysterious element for me in my life, is the dichotomy between art and life, the way say, Jim Angleton loved to talk about gardening and plant species and use it as an analogy at times, for intelligence operations.....For me it is a little less complicated, I am someone who not only reads extensively, but like to study life itself, in all its manifestations...I find that coincidences are not as ambiguous or benign as some people think....Say the movie The Manchurian Candidate, it comes out years before Dealey Plaza and yet there is the obvious parallel, so much of what caused what is happening today was fear driven, and human nature in origin.....
But I will say that there are axioms that are very applicable to the current scenario.......one is......."we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us......"

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