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Douglas Caddy
Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the sixth astronaut to walk on the Moon, reveals in this recent audio interview that the incident at Roswell did occur and that the presence of aliens visiting planet Earth will soon be acknowledged.

The interview is not to be missed as Dr. Mitchell imparts new information and knowledge on a wide variety of vital topics. There is no charge for listening to the interview.

Merely click on the link below and then go to the top of the masthead and click on “listen now.”
The interview is recorded on the March 8, 2008 Dreamland program of www.unknowncountry.com.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/?id=383

Edgar Mitchell: The Way of the Explorer

Here is Dr. Edgar Mitchell in one of his most moving and revealing interviews ever! Did you know that he grew up in Roswell, New Mexico? He speaks with total candor about his knowledge of the Roswell Incident, and about the issue of alien presence in general. His discussion of his new book, The Way of the Explorer is moving and highly informative, and his description of what happened to him on the way back from the moon is unforgettable.

Lynne McTaggart says of Edgar Mitchell, "His journey into outer space has been matched by a lifelong journey into inner space, where he investigated the final frontier, the nature of mind, and returned with nothing less than an extraordinary new science of life."

Dr. Edgar Mitchell’s website is EdMitchellApollo14.com.

His foundation, the Institute for Noetic Sciences is found at Noetic.org.
Jack White
Ed Mitchell's version of what Earth would look like from the moon?

Jack


Michael Hogan
QUOTE
His discussion of his new book, The Way of the Explorer is moving and highly informative, and his description of what happened to him on the way back from the moon is unforgettable.

Lynne McTaggart says of Edgar Mitchell, "His journey into outer space has been matched by a lifelong journey into inner space, where he investigated the final frontier, the nature of mind, and returned with nothing less than an extraordinary new science of life."

His book The Way of the Explorer was published in 1996 by Putnam.


Jack White
Scientific question: since the earth is approximately four times the diameter of the moon,
shouldn't the EARTH FROM THE MOON appear to be four times as big as the MOON FROM
THE EARTH?

Jack
James Douglas
Is Ed Mitchell the astronaut who needed to be hypnotised because he couldn't remember what it was like on the Moon?

I'm sure it was posted on a thread here recently.
Ron Ecker
QUOTE(Jack White @ Mar 10 2008, 04:50 AM) *
Scientific question: since the earth is approximately four times the diameter of the moon,
shouldn't the EARTH FROM THE MOON appear to be four times as big as the MOON FROM
THE EARTH?


Earth from the moon does appear about four times as big, doesn't it?







David Guyatt
QUOTE(Douglas Caddy @ Mar 10 2008, 04:52 AM) *
Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the sixth astronaut to walk on the Moon, reveals in this recent audio interview that the incident at Roswell did occur and that the presence of aliens visiting planet Earth will soon be acknowledged.

The interview is not to be missed as Dr. Mitchell imparts new information and knowledge on a wide variety of vital topics. There is no charge for listening to the interview.

Merely click on the link below and then go to the top of the masthead and click on “listen now.”
The interview is recorded on the March 8, 2008 Dreamland program of www.unknowncountry.com.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/?id=383

Edgar Mitchell: The Way of the Explorer

Here is Dr. Edgar Mitchell in one of his most moving and revealing interviews ever! Did you know that he grew up in Roswell, New Mexico? He speaks with total candor about his knowledge of the Roswell Incident, and about the issue of alien presence in general. His discussion of his new book, The Way of the Explorer is moving and highly informative, and his description of what happened to him on the way back from the moon is unforgettable.

Lynne McTaggart says of Edgar Mitchell, "His journey into outer space has been matched by a lifelong journey into inner space, where he investigated the final frontier, the nature of mind, and returned with nothing less than an extraordinary new science of life."

Dr. Edgar Mitchell’s website is EdMitchellApollo14.com.

His foundation, the Institute for Noetic Sciences is found at Noetic.org.


It is invariably the case that the most thoughtful UFO adherents, are knowledgeable about inner space -- the human psyche -- and are into nurturing the development of consciousness.

It's a pity that his interview play link requires a plugin for Mac's but the offered Microsoft plugin doesn't appear to work. I would've liked to listen to what he had to say about Roswell (although I don't anticipate our salvation from space any time soon).


Jack White
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Mar 10 2008, 01:23 PM) *
QUOTE(Jack White @ Mar 10 2008, 04:50 AM) *
Scientific question: since the earth is approximately four times the diameter of the moon,
shouldn't the EARTH FROM THE MOON appear to be four times as big as the MOON FROM
THE EARTH?


Earth from the moon does appear about four times as big, doesn't it?





The example you use offers no clues as to the size of it.

Jack
Dave Greer
QUOTE(Jack White @ Mar 10 2008, 06:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Mar 10 2008, 01:23 PM) *
QUOTE(Jack White @ Mar 10 2008, 04:50 AM) *
Scientific question: since the earth is approximately four times the diameter of the moon,
shouldn't the EARTH FROM THE MOON appear to be four times as big as the MOON FROM
THE EARTH?


Earth from the moon does appear about four times as big, doesn't it?





The example you use offers no clues as to the size of it.

Jack


The answer to your question is, the Earth does appear to be about four times as large from the moon as the moon does from the Earth. As you know, this is borne out from the Apollo photos taken from the surface. All you need to know is the film format of the camera, and the focal length of the lens used to take the photo. You can then calculate the field of view of the camera, and how large the Earth should appear in an image of a given size.

The Earth as seen in photos taken on the moon is the size it should be given the technical specs of the camera and lens used.

Or if you're bored of maths, look at some photos of the moon as taken from Earth that demonstrate quite clearly the size of the moon can vary dramatically from one image to tghe next: its apparent size is a function of the film format and focal length.



Dave Greer
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Mar 10 2008, 05:28 PM) *
It's a pity that his interview play link requires a plugin for Mac's but the offered Microsoft plugin doesn't appear to work. I would've liked to listen to what he had to say about Roswell (although I don't anticipate our salvation from space any time soon).


You may have some joy if you install Real Player. It works OK for me in IE7. Haven't had chance to listen to the entire interview yet.

http://uk.real.com/player/win/
David Guyatt
QUOTE(Dave Greer @ Mar 11 2008, 12:07 AM) *
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Mar 10 2008, 05:28 PM) *
It's a pity that his interview play link requires a plugin for Mac's but the offered Microsoft plugin doesn't appear to work. I would've liked to listen to what he had to say about Roswell (although I don't anticipate our salvation from space any time soon).


You may have some joy if you install Real Player. It works OK for me in IE7. Haven't had chance to listen to the entire interview yet.

http://uk.real.com/player/win/


Thanks Dave. Seems the only available one for OS X is the Beta 11 version.
Evan Burton
QUOTE(James Douglas @ Mar 10 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Is Ed Mitchell the astronaut who needed to be hypnotised because he couldn't remember what it was like on the Moon?

I'm sure it was posted on a thread here recently.


Not quite - he underwent hypnosis so he could relive the experience. He remarked that when he was there he was so focused on the tasks, the timeline, that he didn't 'take in' the experience.
David Guyatt
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Mar 13 2008, 02:38 AM) *
QUOTE(James Douglas @ Mar 10 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Is Ed Mitchell the astronaut who needed to be hypnotised because he couldn't remember what it was like on the Moon?

I'm sure it was posted on a thread here recently.


Not quite - he underwent hypnosis so he could relive the experience. He remarked that when he was there he was so focused on the tasks, the timeline, that he didn't 'take in' the experience.


I wasn't aware of this re Michell.

I am probably overdoing things in saying this, but as I have pointed out several times before, there is evidence to show a cross connection between the UFO phenomena and mind control techniques. The latter have employed hypnosis and, especially, narco-hypnosis, to de-pattern (erase) memory and overlay that with fabricated memories. The victim remains unaware of what has happened and honestly believes what they think are reliable memories of certain events.


James Douglas
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Mar 13 2008, 01:51 PM) *
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Mar 13 2008, 02:38 AM) *
QUOTE(James Douglas @ Mar 10 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Is Ed Mitchell the astronaut who needed to be hypnotised because he couldn't remember what it was like on the Moon?

I'm sure it was posted on a thread here recently.


Not quite - he underwent hypnosis so he could relive the experience. He remarked that when he was there he was so focused on the tasks, the timeline, that he didn't 'take in' the experience.


I wasn't aware of this re Michell.

I am probably overdoing things in saying this, but as I have pointed out several times before, there is evidence to show a cross connection between the UFO phenomena and mind control techniques. The latter have employed hypnosis and, especially, narco-hypnosis, to de-pattern (erase) memory and overlay that with fabricated memories. The victim remains unaware of what has happened and honestly believes what they think are reliable memories of certain events.


It was posted here David.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...1139&st=469

"Unlike most of his colleagues he decided that the problem was not with the questioners, but with himself and the anquish he felt at being unable to recall the feeling of being there. Eventually, he got two friends to regress him under hypnosis, after which he felt something significant had happened to him on the flight- that the epiphany provided no less than a window on the Universe: a clue as to its structure and our connection to it"

Moon Dust p.52

David Guyatt
Thanks James.

For those who doubt the ability of mind control technology, the following documents may be of interest.

The first report regarding the use of this technology by the FBI is correct. It was targeted against the David Koresh and the Branch Davidians. I hav a copy tape of a BBC World Service News report that shows this equipment in operation in Waco, Texas:



The second and third pages detail how a target can be remotely hynotized and programmed and discuss the inherent dangers involved. It may be worth mentioning the cautionary alarum about banning the use of this technology by the mass media.



and:




James Douglas
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Mar 15 2008, 07:54 PM) *
Thanks James.

For those who doubt the ability of mind control technology, the following documents may be of interest.

The first report regarding the use of this technology by the FBI is correct. It was targeted against the David Koresh and the Branch Davidians. I hav a copy tape of a BBC World Service News report that shows this equipment in operation in Waco, Texas:



The second and third pages detail how a target can be remotely hynotized and programmed and discuss the inherent dangers involved. It may be worth mentioning the cautionary alarum about banning the use of this technology by the mass media.



and:


Thank you kindly back David. Very interesting.

Evan has recommended some Apollo related books and l found a copy of Dark Mission- The Secret History Of NASA by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Barra at my local library. ( THIS WAS NOT ONE OF EVAN'S SUGGESTIONS)

http://www.darkmission.net/

Scroll down to the last few pages of this excerpts from the book doc for the strange tale of the gent who with the approval (so it seems) of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory media office was allowed to hand out a document "claiming that “NASA has
just faked the entire Apollo 11 Lunar Landing… on a soundstage in Nevada!”

http://feralhouse.com/titles/images/nasa_intro.pdf


Hoagland and Barra discuss Ed Mitchell's hypnosis on Page 178.

" Mitchell struggled so much with the issue that, on his own, he eventually sought the help of a professional hypnotist and psychologist to basically de-program himself!

Incidentally it didn't work.

According to a Hoagland source with a long professional association with Jean Houston, when Mitchell came to the part of his ( remember, personally requested) sessions in which Houston would repeatedly prod him with " Now try to remember what it felt like when you were walking on the Moon....." Mitchell would repeatedly deflect the question, saying " That's not important.....let's move on."

DARK MISSION- FERALHOUSE BOOKS
Evan Burton
Hoagland? Good Grief. Does anyone actually research the garbage he spews?

This is typical of him:

QUOTE
But contrary to common public and media perception that NASA is an open, strictly civilian scientific institution, is the legal fact that the Space Agency was quietly founded as a direct adjunct to the Department of Defense, tasked with specifically assisting the national security of the United States in the midst of a deepening Cold War with its major geopolitical adversary, the Soviet Union. It says so right in the original NASA Charter:

“Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code...” [Emphasis added.]

In another section2 of the act, this seldom-discussed defense responsibility— the ultimate undercutting of NASA’s continuing public façade as a strictly civilian, scientific agency—is blatantly spelled out:

“Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]...” [Emphasis added.]

Clearly, from this and the other security provisions3 incorporated in the Act, what the Congress, the press and the American taxpayers get to see of NASA’s ultimate activities—including untouched images and data regarding what’s really on the Moon, on Mars or anywhere else across the solar system— is totally dependent on whether the President of the United States (and/or his legal surrogates in the Department of Defense and the “intelligence community”) has already secretly classified that data. This is directly contrary to everything we’ve been led to believe regarding NASA for over 50 years now.


But does Hoagland explain what Chapter 17, Title 35 of the USC is? It's about patents. It means that patents can be protected under that provision, because for the purposes of the Act NASA is considered part of the DoD (the other agency was the AEC).

Let's see what else we can find...
Evan Burton
QUOTE
Did any skeptics even know this official document existed, before we made it public in 1996?


This about what is referred to as the Brookings Report. It was terribly secret... if you consider the NY Times in 1961 a classified publication..



James Douglas
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Apr 2 2008, 12:41 AM) *
Hoagland? Good Grief. Does anyone actually research the garbage he spews?

This is typical of him:

QUOTE
But contrary to common public and media perception that NASA is an open, strictly civilian scientific institution, is the legal fact that the Space Agency was quietly founded as a direct adjunct to the Department of Defense, tasked with specifically assisting the national security of the United States in the midst of a deepening Cold War with its major geopolitical adversary, the Soviet Union. It says so right in the original NASA Charter:

“Sec. 305... (i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code...” [Emphasis added.]

In another section2 of the act, this seldom-discussed defense responsibility— the ultimate undercutting of NASA’s continuing public façade as a strictly civilian, scientific agency—is blatantly spelled out:

“Sec. 205... (d) No [NASA] information which has been classified for reasons of national security shall be included in any report made under this section [of the Act]...” [Emphasis added.]

Clearly, from this and the other security provisions3 incorporated in the Act, what the Congress, the press and the American taxpayers get to see of NASA’s ultimate activities—including untouched images and data regarding what’s really on the Moon, on Mars or anywhere else across the solar system— is totally dependent on whether the President of the United States (and/or his legal surrogates in the Department of Defense and the “intelligence community”) has already secretly classified that data. This is directly contrary to everything we’ve been led to believe regarding NASA for over 50 years now.


But does Hoagland explain what Chapter 17, Title 35 of the USC is? It's about patents. It means that patents can be protected under that provision, because for the purposes of the Act NASA is considered part of the DoD (the other agency was the AEC).

Let's see what else we can find...


Evan is this passage from Hoaglands book?

What does this have to do with Ed Mitchell's hypnosis?
Evan Burton
Sorry James,

You mentioned Hoagland and I lit up. He's been around for years, and he keeps on treading the same line: we went to the Moon but covered up that there were UFOs there or evidence of ancient civilisations, etc. I was demonstrating that what Hoagland claims has to be researched to determine its accuracy.

I do not find Hoagland in any way credible, so I don't believe what he says about Ed Mitchell.

We could ask Ed, but it would not convince anyone who believes he is a subject of mind control. If he denies that underwent hypnotherapy to be "deprogrammed", the believers simply point to that as evidence that he IS programmed. It's a no-win situation for him.
Robert Howard
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Apr 2 2008, 12:50 PM) *
Sorry James,

You mentioned Hoagland and I lit up. He's been around for years, and he keeps on treading the same line: we went to the Moon but covered up that there were UFOs there or evidence of ancient civilisations, etc. I was demonstrating that what Hoagland claims has to be researched to determine its accuracy.

I do not find Hoagland in any way credible, so I don't believe what he says about Ed Mitchell.

We could ask Ed, but it would not convince anyone who believes he is a subject of mind control. If he denies that underwent hypnotherapy to be "deprogrammed", the believers simply point to that as evidence that he IS programmed. It's a no-win situation for him.

I usually avoid this topic like the plague, but in this case, I will have to, at least mention that ostensibly we are all seekers of truth, here on the Forum, [grins];
In the 1960's, for all of us [unfortunately?] old enough to remember, the vaunted Project Blue Book was an item of interest to some degree as controversial as the asssassination of JFK. Both of these topics, became intertwined as......
1. News of Marilyn Monroe's press conference, which never happened see Dorothy Kilgallen, where she ostensibly was going to mention the taboo subject became a sensational subject of that time period.
2. Paris Flammonde's book on UFO's became a best-seller.
3. The linkage between Phillip Corso who was associated with both subjects via Roswell and his position in the government, and subsequent revelations that he was connected to the Schickshinny Knight's of Malta, a story in itself became more commonly known.
These are just a sampling of some events, and are intended as such.
Flash Forward to our era and the events in the waning day's of World War 2, in Europe have become of heightened interest, in no small part due to the books of Joseph P. Farrell.......
So, it is noteworthy to mention that the event commonly referred to as the Phoenix Lights, a mass UFO sighting, which took place on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix, AZ is now documented in a recently released DVD. I have viewed the video, and it is not your father's Oldsmobile, if one catches the meaning. Then Governor Fife Symington at that time had outraged some 10,000 people in the state of Arizona, mostly in the Phoenix area by calling a press conference, unveiling a State employee dressed as an Extra-Terrestrial, to ridicule very real public concerns over an event, that was witnessed by
1. Air Traffic Controller's who saw the images, but did not see the images on radar.
2. Then current employee's of the US Government, who appeared on camera, face blurred asserting that there was extreme concerns, about the event.
3. An estimated 10,000 individuals who saw this event, and tried to jolt City Hall into addressing the issue, but who clearly did not want to.
If Evan's viewpoint is the higher path of this topic then in effect, the whole world has gone crazy, because it is arguably the first mass media UFO phenomena which has forced, or if Evan is correct, taken important time away from the global media's agenda of more important topics, as the topic was subsequently carried on USA Today, CNN, MSNBC, and Brokaw, Jennings, Rather
and Larry King. Perhaps the most ironic part of the video, is the years later admission of then Governor Fife Symington, that he too had witnessed the event and went agreed with the other estimated 10,000 individuals who all believed the objects were, not of this earth.
Evan Burton
But belief is not proof. It may surprise you, but I believe UFOs exist. I think there is a good chance that there are other civilisations out there, and that at least some hold advanced technology, and some of those may be capable of Faster Than Light travel. I think it is possible - no, likely - that we have been visited by other civilisations in UFOs... but I have never seen anything I would consider to be proof of alien visitation and am the first one to admit that. All the images I have seen are misidentification, indeterminate, or faked. I have seen things, on two occasions. They are perhaps explainable, but I don't think so. That's why I hold strong views... but my views are not proof.

People like Hoagland do more to damage to serious research than most anyone else. People like Dr Mitchell I take very seriously... but don't necessarily accept. Like everyone else, we need proof.

Is there a world-wide UFO coverup? Maybe - but I don't think so. I just don't see the particular gains for a coverup.... yet there may be one. I don't have proof either way.

Do you have a link for the Phoenix Lights? I would like to learn more about them before I comment on them.

Thanks!
Stephen Turner
Evan try here
Len Colby
The Phoenix Lights were the subject of a previous thread here.
Gary Loughran
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Sep 1 2008, 09:20 AM) *
I think there is a good chance that there are other civilisations out there, and that at least some hold advanced technology, and some of those may be capable of Faster Than Light travel.


That, I would like to see!!
Evan Burton
QUOTE(Gary Loughran @ Sep 2 2008, 12:28 AM) *
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Sep 1 2008, 09:20 AM) *
I think there is a good chance that there are other civilisations out there, and that at least some hold advanced technology, and some of those may be capable of Faster Than Light travel.


That, I would like to see!!


Well, if you follow the science news, you might be aware of the upcoming startup of the Large Hadron Collider. One of the things the experiments being conducted in it might advance is the ability to change (lower) the mass of an object without changing it's physical dimensions. If this can be achieve, it not only makes sending ojects into space a lot easier, it makes the possibility of FTL travel VERY real.
Gary Loughran
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Sep 2 2008, 07:29 AM) *
QUOTE(Gary Loughran @ Sep 2 2008, 12:28 AM) *
QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Sep 1 2008, 09:20 AM) *
I think there is a good chance that there are other civilisations out there, and that at least some hold advanced technology, and some of those may be capable of Faster Than Light travel.


That, I would like to see!!


Well, if you follow the science news, you might be aware of the upcoming startup of the Large Hadron Collider. One of the things the experiments being conducted in it might advance is the ability to change (lower) the mass of an object without changing it's physical dimensions. If this can be achieve, it not only makes sending ojects into space a lot easier, it makes the possibility of FTL travel VERY real.


I have been loosely following that project, in Switzerland isn't it??? I think they believe they can get particles accelerated close to speed of light - the last I heard there was a problem with one of the parts. I think this needs to be fixed then supercooled, and it can take a while to put right if even a little thing goes wrong.

I'm just now sure how this would work for organic matters.
Evan Burton
It's trying to delve more into what really makes up matter. The mass reduction theories, if proved correct, will be fantastic. FTL travel makes exploration beyond our solar system practical.

The FTL problem - to a layman like myself - is that our current understanding says that as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass increases. The closer it gets to the speed of light, the heavier it becomes and the greater energy required to continue to propel it. Nearly at the speed of light, the mass of an object becomes infinite... and thus why FTL travel is impossible with our current understanding.

If, however, the object has no or minuscule mass, then FTL travel becomes possible.

The possibilities from this research are simply staggering!

Edited to add: And, of course, the discussion of time travel becomes much more interesting!
Evan Burton
For those interested, an interview with Dr Mitchell:

http://media.libsyn.com/media/apollotalks/...ar_Mitchell.mp3
Steve Mcdonagh
Just curious guys,

But would 4 x look something like this?

Thanks - Steve
Evan Burton
Off topic - for which I apologise - but it reminds me of one of the mysteries we discuss on a science forum: why does the Moon "look" bigger when close to the horizon? If you measure the size of the Moon, you'll find it is about the same... but to most people it appears bigger.

We've tried to come up with a reason this is, and there are a few theories... but we can't point to one and say THIS is why. Generally we agree it involves the ability to compare the apparent size of the Moon with familiar objects (houses, trees, mountains, etc) when near the horizon... but it's not anything we can provide objective evidence for.
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